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March 13, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
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March 13, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
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Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.

Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.

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March 13, 2022, 04:02:07 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Putin from the look of things is not ready for any peaceful dialogue. He might claim to be fighting for the interest of Russians and Ukraine indirectly but his approach is too deadly keeping the lives Ukrainian in danger.

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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war

Putin came into power in 2012  and Ukrainians joined NATO enhancement opportunity partner interoperability program  in June 12th 2020. So there was no way Putin could do anything from 1992 till May 6 2012 . Ukraine-Russian war has been there since 2014 but got triggered in 2022 with Putin full invasion to Ukraine and all Putin is after at the moment is to Capture Kyiv
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March 13, 2022, 04:08:46 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Putin from the look of things is not ready for any peaceful dialogue. He might claim to be fighting for the interest of Russians and Ukraine indirectly but his approach is too deadly keeping the lives Ukrainian in danger.

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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war

Putin came into power in may 7 2012  and Ukrainians joined NATO in June 12th 2020. Ukraine-Russian war has been there since 2014 but got triggered in 2022 with Putin full invasion to Ukraine and all Putin is after at the moment is to Capture Kyiv

Not only Ukrainian lives but also Russian soldiers. Many have already sacrificed their lives to this unnecessary war. I believe it is now more on power the reason why Putin is not stopping this war. Because if he will halt this, it would be his ego on the line. However, it seems he doesn't care how many lives will lose on this war, even civilian people are being targeted. So it somehow escalates to personal power here, not anymore the interest of Russia or Ukraine, whatever he is trying to portray here.
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March 13, 2022, 04:20:55 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress,
There has been no progress with the peace talks besides the fact that there has been a couple of such meetings and this is evident in how the invasion is being escalated further by the Russian troops.

The intent of Putin can not be determined, we can all but speculate what triggered the attack and what the fall out effect would be over the coming months and possibly years.

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March 13, 2022, 04:49:21 PM
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I do think his intentions might have been :

1. To supress the dominance of NATO over the border near Ukraine and Russia

2. To show and intimidate the governments to make sure they stay clear of Russia, they are trying to intimidate the whole world with their nuclear weapons as well.

3. He wants to push the Russian agenda beyond the borders as well, he make donbas independent which is honestly not a good idea to go and invade other country and do as you please

4. He is blocking down the internet connection and going further to the North Korean agenda causing probelms as well for the people, they don't even know what's going on, he might be trying to isolate them and rule them perse.

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March 13, 2022, 05:43:09 PM
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Pretty simple, Russia does not like to allow Ukraine to join NATO. And definitely, it's harmful to Russia if Ukraine becomes a NATO member. It will be easier to attack Russia in case of a third world war. Putin intent to kick Volodymyr Zelenskyy and replace his nominated president there who will follow Russia. Russia just showing its power and waiting for a NATO attack that would lead third world war. But the US is very clever and ignoring the current war. However, any war isn't appreciated anyway where innocent citizens suffer.

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March 13, 2022, 05:59:27 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war


Get a history lesson first before opening a thread on this matter and before making such a statement - "it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine". It is not! Dig down the history of USSR and its relation with US. US is trying to get access to Russia's border through inclusion of Ukraine in NATO where Ukraine is clearly not eligible. US is ready to make an exception just so that they can get clear access to Russia's border and Russia is trying to maintain its sovereignty. Russia is NOT trying to destroy Ukraine.

Read this article:
https://theconversation.com/why-did-russia-invade-ukraine-178512

Hope this helps!

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March 13, 2022, 06:14:48 PM
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If you were a president of one of the biggest countries in the world and you "place" a president that supports Russia in a country on one of your borders .. you know you still have power in that country. Then the citizens in that country riots and the President are removed.... would you not see that as a threat?

In his mind.... he still controls the Ukraine and they must be under the reign of his government... but they do not want that. It will also be a threat to him.. if NATO and the West gets a country on his borders to attack him... in times of war.  Roll Eyes
 

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I believe in such away that. Putin himself have his own personal amendable characters that required serious  caution, too much of everything is bad,  if invading Ukraine has been his targeted milestone then I think by now he should have come into deriving satisfaction,  the committee set on negotiation are not seing any positive turnout from his side and yet lives are going wasted on this his personal interest, could  this really be a service  to humanity what Putin is doing  can be regarded?  I pray for peace within and without  all the affected regions.

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Get a history lesson first before opening a thread on this matter and before making such a statement - "it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine". It is not! Dig down the history of USSR and its relation with US. US is trying to get access to Russia's border through inclusion of Ukraine in NATO where Ukraine is clearly not eligible. US is ready to make an exception just so that they can get clear access to Russia's border and Russia is trying to maintain its sovereignty. Russia is NOT trying to destroy Ukraine.

It's you first who should learn a bit of history, especially before bragging to others!

Nato had a border with Russia from 1949, cause Norway has a border with Russia and is a NATO member from 1949!
Nato also enlarged that bordered with the inclusion of Estonia and Latvia in 2004.

Aso the whole argument is idiotic, so because a country chooses to ally itself with NATO that would give Russia a right to invade it? Then how about Nato would invade every single republic of the former URSS in order to protect its members?

If Putin really wants to destroy Ukraine then we would see hundreds of TU-160 bombers over Kyiv and other major cities. Putin's main objective is to demilitarize Ukraine and force Ukraine not to join NATO. Till now we can say Putin has succeeded in one primary goal and demilitarization would be more time-consuming and costly for him.

You're still around taking breaks from licking Putin's ass while spreading that bullshit propaganda?
You have succeeded in killing thousands of civilians, robbing stores, killings chickens as your troops are starving with expired rations while your mighty army is deserting and running away leaving tens of tanks and trucks on the battlefield. You have succeeded in uniting the whole western world against you as you've never managed before the cold war, and the consequences will be ten times worse, the collapse of the USSR and the default 10 years later will be a walk in the park compared to what will happen to you this times. Rabbid animals need to be kept in a cage!

Oh, and btw, so that you can realize how stupid your KGB shit propaganda is, the hundred of TU-160 don't even exist, 36 of them were built, 9 for testing, we crashed, 4 were damaged beyond flight capabilities, so you actually have only 23. Is just like looking into your wallet, you have hundreds of rubles but you only have 3 cents.


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March 13, 2022, 09:40:37 PM
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Putin is acting like a psycho at this point and I'm citing sources in Russia. You see people with Hero of the Russian Federation titles speaking against this war and prisoners of war say they weren't told anything, that they were sent to train and one day they got moved across the border and forced to fight a war they knew nothing about and weren't ready for.
Despite what trolls are saying about the West and the NATO, they aren't lying to people like Russia is, telling the world that they never attacked Ukraine, they never attacked anyone. Russia is a fucking saint that brings love and peace everywhere it goes and if a bomb hits a hospital it means there were enemies of Russia plotting to release bio weapons. It's madness.

Russian liberators, liberating stores from food and Ukrainian children from their mothers.

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March 13, 2022, 09:56:44 PM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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It's not making any progress based on some news that I've heard. Russia continues the offensive since it also wants to be in a better position to dictate terms or have better leverage in the negotiation.

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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
Russia was still busy preventing Georgia from being a part of NATO around those times if I am not mistaken. It was prioritized over Ukraine because it was closer to becoming a member.

Ukraine's President at that time seems to be friendly to Russia. He was ousted with the help of the West so it's only natural to think Putin also doesn't like the one installed by the West.

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I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
One major and immediate reason could be that he got tired of Ukraine's blocking access of Crimea to the freshwater coming from Dnieper river. Negotiations and diplomatic means failed so he used force this time.

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March 13, 2022, 11:13:38 PM
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We actually don’t know, because there are so many lies in the news today and what we have know, Russia is killing innocent people as a collateral, most probably there’s a deeper reason why Russia attacked Ukraine and this wont stop as long as Russia is still not satisfied about what they want. They are ready for the war and do whatever it takes, I hope someone can stop Russia from doing this.
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I don’t think the NATO was the main reason for the invasion because Ukraine said they would not join nato last week and the war is still on going.
They have these peace talks but it seems that they don’t resolve much. I don’t think it will end with peace talks.

The sanctions are bad but I have a feeling that Russian planned this years in advance and are prepared for all these sanctions. Putin and Russia have lots of money and assets such as gold. This can go on for years.

Other countries don’t want to directly intervene because they are scared of Putin and don’t want an invasion themselves. They know he is crazy and nobody knows what his limits are.

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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war


Get a history lesson first before opening a thread on this matter and before making such a statement - "it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine". It is not! Dig down the history of USSR and its relation with US. US is trying to get access to Russia's border through inclusion of Ukraine in NATO where Ukraine is clearly not eligible. US is ready to make an exception just so that they can get clear access to Russia's border and Russia is trying to maintain its sovereignty. Russia is NOT trying to destroy Ukraine.

Read this article:
https://theconversation.com/why-did-russia-invade-ukraine-178512

Hope this helps!
Russia is not trying to destroy Ukraine?
On February 24, Russia brought in eight Saoi armies out of ten and has now brought the size of the invasion army to about 200,000 people. Having received a serious rebuff, now the Russian army is deliberately launching missile and bomb attacks on residential areas of most Ukrainian cities, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, and at the same time they do not want to destroy Ukraine?
In Ukraine, 102 schools, 76 hospitals, more than 1,500 residential buildings have already been destroyed. Even the Nazis did not do this during World War II. This is purely genocide of the Ukrainian people.

Ukraine does not have the right to join NATO? Why is this? Ukraine is an independent sovereign state and has the right to independently decide which political blocs to join, and no Putins have the right to tell Ukraine which security systems to join. In addition, Putin is simply pushing Ukraine into NATO. Ukraine voluntarily gave up the third largest nuclear potential in exchange for security guarantees provided to it by world states, including Russia. In 2014, Russia itself violated them by capturing the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Where should Ukraine go after this? Only in NATO.

Is Russia trying to preserve its sovereignty because it is afraid of NATO approaching its borders? So NATO has long been right at the borders of Russia. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have common borders with Russia and at the same time are members of NATO. It did not threaten and does not threaten the sovereignty of Russia? Only Ukraine will threaten it for some reason?

Now Russia has lost more than 50,000 of its soldiers, 374 tanks, 74 aircraft, 86 helicopters, 140 artillery systems, 62 multiple rocket launchers, more than 600 different vehicles in this war, killed and wounded. The Putin regime also saw that it could not take over Ukraine and therefore asks for military equipment in China and hires volunteers from Syria and Libya. The vaunted second army of the world cannot cope with the Armed Forces, and most importantly, the people of Ukraine.

Do you want stories? So in the 9th - 12th centuries, during the heyday of Kievan Rus, from the center in Kyiv, the village of Mokva (the territory of present-day Moscow) belonged to one of the Kiev princes Yuri Dolgoruky, and if we return to those times, then Ukraine has the right to claim the entire European territory of Russia, up to Moscow.

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March 14, 2022, 06:24:35 AM
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Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war


Of course to take control Ukraine and avoid possible huge disadvantage against NATO allied in casethey plan to attack Russia in the future. As I watch some cool documentary about this War, Ukraine is very strategic location to attack Russia since everything is plane if you look Russia from Ukraine meaning Russia is defenseless if the eneymy use Ukraine as strategic point to attack them. Putin don’t want to recover the original USSR, He is just using it as a reason to cover his move and hide this weak spot of Russia. I believe Putin so an aggressive activity from Ukraine that involves US and Nato.

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If you look deeply there can be many reasons for Putin to start this war, people are thinking Russia and Putin are suffering because of the sanctions from other countries as the most sanctioned country in the world but the sanctions cannot be that much helpful for the country like Russia because they a friend like china nad China will supply all of their needs, actually, china will be happy to see Russia is this situation. I would say the main reason can be challenging nato and especially the USA as the main competitor of Russia.

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Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.

Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.

Similarly to the post that I replied to, I mentioned that it is not Ukraine that Putin really wants- it is about making a statement against the whole world that Russia is not afraid of starting a war. In the event that he successfully captures Ukraine, this will not only threat other countries but this will be a global problem that any country may face since he will definitely go to war another time soon.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is just truly heartbreaking. Blood does not have to be spilled and countless of lives were traded due to selfish idealism caused by such leader.

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Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.

Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.

Similarly to the post that I replied to, I mentioned that it is not Ukraine that Putin really wants- it is about making a statement against the whole world that Russia is not afraid of starting a war. In the event that he successfully captures Ukraine, this will not only threat other countries but this will be a global problem that any country may face since he will definitely go to war another time soon.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is just truly heartbreaking. Blood does not have to be spilled and countless of lives were traded due to selfish idealism caused by such leader.
Agree into the point that they are really showing off their power aside on just simply invading Ukraine but also having that kind of show on what are the things that they are capable to do with
and its true that we wont know on what country or place they would tend to invade next considering that Russia is a powerful country then expect that they could easily achieved their
goals if they wanted to.Its true that lots of innocent people or lives been wasted on a war thats why its not really something that should be happening but well reality
couldnt really be avoided if there are country leaders who do have this mindset and capability.

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