Ukraine and Russians should have a joint board

[Zilon]

In the face of the present attack across Ukraine, peace amongst the two county's citizens should be the major concern. I was actually thinking that the peaceful dialogue can actually begin from the forum and one of the ways to achieving that is through having a board where both countries will ensure peace amongst themselves first while we wait for the leaders of both countries to come into a peaceful compromise amongst themselves.

We all know no one benefits from war and it's not always the best way to express grievances and displeasure. Peaceful dialogue can play better role in settling misunderstanding. The joint board can first establish a minor peace before we await the major

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[rhomelmabini]

You don't need to open a board specifically with that. A simple thread will do as long as it isn't a moderated one, it should accept the opinion of both sides. Indeed a good talk on both parties is the best solution as long as they agree on both terms but I don't fully agree having a merge board for them, they still need to be separated imo. Maybe a new thread on Politics & Society board will do

[TheBeardedBaby]

I don't see the need from a joint board. Maybe a common thread somewhere in the local section where they all can post into regarding the current situation but that's again unnecessary.
Everyone can express their point on the Politics & Society section, of course you need to post in English.

[PX-Z]

Are you from their local? If not, these 2 countries have almost the same language and share the same board.
Don't expect peace talks will come too soon on these users while there is ab actual war. Plus, mods usually dont moderate all kind of hate speech so you will still read this kind of threads/posts.

[PrimeNumber7]

Nak.

Russia and Ukraine are two different countries. One is a democracy, and one is a dictatorship. Some people in Ukraine speak Russian, but nearly all of the world speaks English, and that doesn't mean that all countries are part of the US.

[jokers10]

In the face of the present attack across Ukraine, peace amongst the two county's citizens should be the major concern. I was actually thinking that the peaceful dialogue can actually begin from the forum and one of the ways to achieving that is through having a board where both countries will ensure peace amongst themselves first while we wait for the leaders of both countries to come into a peaceful compromise amongst themselves.

We all know no one benefits from war and it's not always the best way to express grievances and displeasure. Peaceful dialogue can play better role in settling misunderstanding. The joint board can first establish a minor peace before we await the major

In English Russian is both related to country and to language. In Russian there are two different words: what is related to country is poccийcкий and what is related to language is pyccкий. Local board Pyccкий (Russian) is for everyone who wants to talk about crypto in Russian language non depending on their nationality or place of living, it is not for people from Russia only. And there is no local board for Russians only or Ukrainians only, everyone can talk in any forum section by own choice, including Russian board (in Russian language) or Ukrainian topic (in Ukrainian language).

[SatoPrincess]

Why is meta full of Ukraine-Russia threads that don’t even make sense? Bitcointalk is becoming less bitcoin and more politics. There is already five threads created to discuss Russia-Ukraine war in Meta. The war is outside the forum let’s not bring it in here. The war won’t last forever, our emotions are getting the better of us creating division between friends and colleagues.

[_act_]

Joint board for what? Because over 60% of Ukrainians speak Ukrainians as a native language, only 26% speak Russian as a native language. Mind you, the official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian which means of of them speak Ukrainian.

Why are you suggesting they should have the same board? That is no, not possible.

[Despairo]

Do we really need another Russia/Ukraine topic on Meta section?

1. Lock Russian section.
2. The situation with Ukraine and the accounts that supported the war.
3. Bitcointalk accounts - Ukraine
4. Russia going offline?
5. Request for Ukraine local board

It seems the discussion aren't healthy anymore, both of country attacking each other because of the war which I think it's an internal problem and no have any relation with Bitcoin discussion. Even Ukraine got their own local board, I don't think those Ukraine users will stop bitching on Russian board. The person who need to be blamed is the government and military, not the civilians. I believe they also don't want the war happen.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't see the need from a joint board. Maybe a common thread somewhere in the local section where they all can post into regarding the current situation but that's again unnecessary.

There's absolutely no need for bitcointalk to do anything because of a display of insanity by Putin.  I don't think there's any hatred between the average Russian and Ukrainian citizen anyway, so it isn't as though there's any fence-mending to be done--and this is a bitcoin forum first and foremost, not a forum for political discussion.  There is a section for that where interested members can voice their opinions if they like.

In addition, I don't think bitcointalk should take any sort of stance, positive or negative, on stuff like this.  Creating a joint board for Russians and Ukrainians would be a statement that could be interpreted in a number of ways, and I don't think it's appropriate.

Do we really need another Russia/Ukraine topic on Meta section?

I've been kinda-sorta inactive for the past two days, but just based on the threads you linked to I'd say no.  I get that it's an important topic and that there are a lot of Russians and Ukrainians here, but flooding Meta with threads about....whatever....is unwarranted.

[xandry]

In English Russian is both related to country and to language. In Russian there are two different words: what is related to country is poccийcкий and what is related to language is pyccкий. Local board Pyccкий (Russian) is for everyone who wants to talk about crypto in Russian language non depending on their nationality or place of living, it is not for people from Russia only. And there is no local board for Russians only or Ukrainians only, everyone can talk in any forum section by own choice, including Russian board (in Russian language) or Ukrainian topic (in Ukrainian language).

+1
Before the war, users including xenon131 and cryptomaxsun did not delve into any ethnic strife. I consider all users of the section valuable regardless of the country of residence. Naturally, there were always those who liked to discuss politics, but for the most part they were limited to one sub-board about "politics".
I know that we have a lot of users from other countries who write in Russian in the board and it is extremely unpleasant to me what is happening in their real life right now, but this is not a good reason to divide us more than politicians do.

[suchmoon]

I've been kinda-sorta inactive for the past two days, but just based on the threads you linked to I'd say no.  I get that it's an important topic and that there are a lot of Russians and Ukrainians here, but flooding Meta with threads about....whatever....is unwarranted.

You gotta keep in mind that most of the shit (at least outside of the Russian boards) is being stirred by one sockpuppeting hypertroll. Take that out and the discussion is pretty much contained within P&S, and the Meta/Reputation threads would fizzle out. And the war-related Economics/Speculation/Gambling/etc shitposting could be deleted on the grounds of being shitposting.

Not really happening because free speech apparently means "free shit where you eat". Pigtalk.org (actually probably unfair to pigs).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I know that we have a lot of users from other countries who write in Russian in the board and it is extremely unpleasant to me what is happening in their real life right now, but this is not a good reason to divide us more than politicians do.

Just speaking as an average US citizen, I feel for both Russians and Ukrainians who want no part in this mess--and I've never held any animosity toward any Russians, and I've known a lot of them in the states (I haven't met as many Ukrainians, but I'm not prejudiced against them either).  There ought to be strong political opinions being voiced right now, but I'm not sure how divided any of this has made the forum.  I've not seen any pro-Putin remarks being made, at least not in the sections I frequent.

I really wish I could read Russian or Ukrainian, because I'd like to understand what people in those countries have to say, assuming they're not writing it in English. 

You gotta keep in mind that most of the shit (at least outside of the Russian boards) is being stirred by one sockpuppeting hypertroll. Take that out and the discussion is pretty much contained within P&S, and the Meta/Reputation threads would fizzle out.

Gotcha, and I appreciate that input.  I'm thinking I might just un-ignore P&S for a couple of days just to see what people are writing about the Ukrainian invasion.  Are there a lot of Russian/Ukrainian members chiming in?

[RapTarX]

I don't know why these days meta is getting flooded with Russia and Ukraine threads. Do you guys want another war here, LOL? There are already one or more threads on the same issue. Wouldn’t it be better if you have shared your opinion there? Well, I don’t see how it can be good either. There are people from Russia supporting the war and again, there are people from Russia who is against the war. Together, it would make another war here as well LOL. I would rather censor such comments here & mute them until peace come but theymos isn’t going to do that either.

[_BlackStar]

I don't know why these days meta is getting flooded with Russia and Ukraine threads.

It's just to get more attention from forum members who are not directly involved with the Russian-Ukrainian issue.

I'm just wondering why there are so many users willing to respond to thread like this when they know that this kind of thing isn't needed in the meta. I don't know what propaganda is being planned, but the meta must not be touched by politics that are ultimately aimed at discriminating against Russians.

[suchmoon]

You gotta keep in mind that most of the shit (at least outside of the Russian boards) is being stirred by one sockpuppeting hypertroll. Take that out and the discussion is pretty much contained within P&S, and the Meta/Reputation threads would fizzle out.

Gotcha, and I appreciate that input.  I'm thinking I might just un-ignore P&S for a couple of days just to see what people are writing about the Ukrainian invasion.  Are there a lot of Russian/Ukrainian members chiming in?

There are quite a few. There is also the usual chemtrails brigade but that's how the PSych ward works. At any rate, it's a place to discuss the war, and Meta/Reputation/etc isn't.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I really wish I could read Russian or Ukrainian, because I'd like to understand what people in those countries have to say, assuming they're not writing it in English.  

Today, Google Translate works very effectively. You will be very surprised how different information is presented in the Ukrainian-European format, and in Russian.
Someday, it will be a revelation for many how's they were misled by showing news that is devoid of the Russian language. That is why many Russian-speaking people prefer to remain silent, as they understand that today is not the time to convince “informed” users that they may be wrong in their judgments. But the time for reality will surely come.

I don't know why these days meta is getting flooded with Russia and Ukraine threads. Do you guys want another war here, LOL?

Everything is much simpler here. The one who created this topic does not belong to either Russians or Ukrainians. Moreover, he does not understand at all that what he demands has already existed for a long time.
This is the most common merit hunt and a very hypocritical one at that.

[KingsDen]

In addition, I don't think bitcointalk should take any sort of stance, positive or negative, on stuff like this.  Creating a joint board for Russians and Ukrainians would be a statement that could be interpreted in a number of ways, and I don't think it's appropriate.

I do not understand how one will think that creating a special joint board for the purpose of Russia - Ukraine will end the war. Here is a forum promoting what both Russian and Ukraine has fought against. It is on record that bitcointalk is already in Russia black list. Whatever action whether positive or negative taken by bitcointalk will be grossly misinterpreted after the war and might be used against bitcointalk. There exists Russian board where both Russian and Ukraine have been using, so they should maintain the status quo for unity.

We all know no one benefits from war...

I do not know about this. I think people benefits largely from war. If there is no benefit, the war won't start, even when started will not last.
During the war, countries will be shipping ammunition for sell, others will sell food, some medicals and facilities.  War makes people billionaires and they'll do anything to ensure that war continues.

[Findingnemo]

Nothing is going to change if we create a common board for both countries because I beleive there is zero weight for people's opinions on both sides only leaders take the decision and everyone is suffering from that which is important to select the right leaders when we have that opportunity.

And you know war benefits someone for sure that is why kings extended their borders now the leader so there is no difference.

[suzanne5223]

The idea is good since there are some users from both countries that once had an issue on the forum a couple of days ago but this is something that will never work.

Why is meta full of Ukraine-Russia threads that don’t even make sense? Bitcointalk is becoming less bitcoin and more politics

Welcome to the latest development mate.
I guess you don't notice that people mostly talk about things thats happening in the news lately whether it has to do with crypto or not cause it won't bother you if you notice.