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August 16, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
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Deflation encourages consumers to postpone buying decisions, which has a detrimental impact on the velocity of money and negatively affects commodity prices (including real estate). This means it will diminish the value of your properties.
Deflation on houses surfaces when the house is not built to meet up the the sudden development within that environment or locality.
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August 19, 2023, 04:24:24 PM
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Deflation encourages consumers to postpone buying decisions, which has a detrimental impact on the velocity of money and negatively affects commodity prices (including real estate). This means it will diminish the value of your properties.
Deflation on houses surfaces when the house is not built to meet up the the sudden development within that environment or locality.
Deflation must be the opposite of inflation. I think is where we have more value of our money so we can be able to spend more than usual but when the people know that an inflation is coming, they can also buy more in bulk in order to save.

Both inflation and deflation has a positive effect in the value of the assets or commodities but I think inflation is still a bad thing. Their price could have grown more if there are no frequent high inflations. Deflation can affect everything not only about the housing/houses. I believe that anyone can build their own house and it does not matter if it will meet up the development of an environment or locality.

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August 21, 2023, 10:45:41 AM
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Consumer electronics prices fall all the time, and this is good.  Why is it somehow bad that homes become cheaper?  Bad for the speculators on the long end, sure, but everyone else?  I think not.

Home prices have fallen to reflect economic reality.  They're not arbitrary numbers, and shouldn't be manipulated as though they were.

Good for the people that sat on their cash instead of using it to further fuel the housing bubble.

Good for all speculators who make the right call.  %^&* speculators who think that anybody but themselves should pay for their bets that go wrong.  %^*& politicians and central bankers whose interventions fuel speculative bubbles.  Too bad for regular consumers that buy into inflated markets.  That's about all you can say, and anything else is just bad economics, IMHO.

Oh, and no, a bitcoin windfall is not why I'm here.  I think most people who promote sound money do it because they really do care.

Deflation can have both positive and negative impacts on the economy.it can lead to the falling or lower prices of goods and services for consumers.
It can also discourage investments and unnecessary spendings,it is very important for policymakers to carefully manage deflation to maintain a balanced economy.
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August 21, 2023, 11:00:22 AM
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Yeah, I'm talking about the mature Bitcoin market. On the way there we will have both monetary inflation and monetary deflation per capita. That is maybe not optimal but I can't think of a better way to do it. Anyway, it should work, and the end result is good.

Well, if you look at the nature of the problem, one of the main indicators is the existence of an interest rate policy issued by the Central Bank and the government and this results in a scarcity of money in circulation and causes a continuous decline in prices so that the country's economic condition becomes unstable. and my view is that the application of fiscal policy is needed here. related to how the government's strategy in responding to this and juxtaposing the wishes of many people who are starting to be interested in digital currencies such as BTC will be very interesting for us to follow together.

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August 21, 2023, 12:44:53 PM
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Consumer electronics prices fall all the time, and this is good.  Why is it somehow bad that homes become cheaper?  Bad for the speculators on the long end, sure, but everyone else?  I think not.

Home prices have fallen to reflect economic reality.  They're not arbitrary numbers, and shouldn't be manipulated as though they were.

Good for the people that sat on their cash instead of using it to further fuel the housing bubble.

Good for all speculators who make the right call.  %^&* speculators who think that anybody but themselves should pay for their bets that go wrong.  %^*& politicians and central bankers whose interventions fuel speculative bubbles.  Too bad for regular consumers that buy into inflated markets.  That's about all you can say, and anything else is just bad economics, IMHO.

Oh, and no, a bitcoin windfall is not why I'm here.  I think most people who promote sound money do it because they really do care.

Not good for people or small families who bought a house and are now seeing their credit line go down and their collateral for the loan to shrink if home prices fall.

But eventually there will be those who benefit and those who are at a disadvantage because of a certain economic development.

But one thing you mentioned is so important:

"Home prices have fallen to reflect economic reality."

That's what all of this is, it is a correction of tendency that went too far, that was overheated. When people hear the term deflation and immediately tie it to a negative development, the question should be what happened before we entered a deflationary economic phase? When the price for a car goes from $20,000 to $60,000 within a matter of a few years and then pulls back to $50,000, theoretically we are in a deflationary environment (for that car of course). But the truth is that prices unreasonably exploded beforehand and this is what we saw happening over the last few years.

Same thing with rents. Many places are so ridiculously expensive that it feels like playing a weird computer game when running from apartment to apartment to just find out that hardly anyone with an average income could afford an apartment that was a third as expensive 15 years ago. I am curious to see in a few years from now where we are heading now, but the recent price levels have been insane. 

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August 22, 2023, 03:18:33 AM
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I think it is good that now we have to currency which is fiat and bitcoin. but I think inflation and deflation is not only influenced by the money it self. it is always supply and demand. if the number goods that exist in the market is increase then the currency value will be increase and if the number of product is decrease then the currency value will decrease. because are competition among buyers.

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August 22, 2023, 03:48:06 AM
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Deflation is bad to any economy because investors or businesses will run at loss. For instance,the house that the price comes down, will be easy for people to pay and live but it is affecting the owner of the house because he will find it difficult to make profits which might lead to him selling off the house. If he built it with a loan,he can just walk away without paying the lian for the bank to take over the property. A country with deflation would suffer economy declination.

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August 22, 2023, 04:24:39 AM
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Most of you guys probably don’t realize this is a thread started back in 2010. From what I recall we never had inflation issues back then.

There is deflation happening in China actually. Some other countries are cutting rates slightly. However in North America we still got bad inflation. In Canada we had a huge 0.6% increase MoM, and there is no signs of slowing. These rates will be high for many years.

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August 22, 2023, 04:31:25 AM
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Yeah, I'm talking about the mature Bitcoin market. On the way there we will have both monetary inflation and monetary deflation per capita. That is maybe not optimal but I can't think of a better way to do it. Anyway, it should work, and the end result is good.

Well, if you look at the nature of the problem, one of the main indicators is the existence of an interest rate policy issued by the Central Bank and the government and this results in a scarcity of money in circulation and causes a continuous decline in prices so that the country's economic condition becomes unstable. and my view is that the application of fiscal policy is needed here. related to how the government's strategy in responding to this and juxtaposing the wishes of many people who are starting to be interested in digital currencies such as BTC will be very interesting for us to follow together.
Yeah true, but there were a lot of printed ones as well recently which meant that the inflation was high and in order to stop inflation they had to do this, which makes sense because you have to stop inflation one way or another. I believe that it is going to be something important and we should be convinced that we are not going to end up with anything like that.

I feel like we should be considering the situation to be a bit different and if we keep doing it then we are going to be doing fine. Deflation has a great outcome eventually when you get over it, yes the stagflation and all that will hurt the economy and we are not going into a good period right now, but we are going to get out to a good period after that.
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August 22, 2023, 06:12:45 AM
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Some people bought houses for bad reasons. If you buy a house to live in and the price falls absolutely nothing changes, you can still live in it. If anything you might get lower property taxes. If you were buying houses to flip, speculate, whatever then you were wrong this time and you lose money. You ought lose money too because you were the reason too many damn houses were built.

And another thing. If houses fall in value and you need to move you pay less for the new place also.



And that's what most people think that when they buy a property for investment, they immediately believe that the price of the property will increase either in the next 5, 10, or 15 years, whereas on the contrary most property prices are currently experiencing a decline which makes them experience potential loss. They don't take into account that people's demand and the ability to buy it is quite reduced nowadays, especially for young people who have limited incomes, coupled with crazy property prices, these are all factors why investment in property is not promising at this time.

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August 22, 2023, 01:31:45 PM
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Deflation is good at some level, but over-deflation could be as bad as inflation. In the consumer psychology, consumer will hold their price in hope for a better price, it will definitely slow the economy. The chain effect of that will lead to more debt default since people are holding money, and it will be very bad for banks and the macro economy.

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Deflation is something that makes many people happy because the value of money increases, usually the value of money increases because too much stock of goods or services so that the purchase decreases and makes the value of money increases, of course this condition must be able to be set optimally because if it occurs in the long run it will lead to big problems for the economy.


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