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May 06, 2022, 04:33:11 PM
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I'm no mining expert by any measure of the scale, but I wouldn't splash the cash on ASICs if you don't know how to operate them on a large scale. It's way too easy to mess up some configuration and many of your ASICs get disabled/crippled for some time which negatively impacts rent installments.

On the other hand, I'd make sure wherever you are hosting those GPUs has a backup power supply - it's just as deadly to high-wattage GPUs as it is to ASICs (for some reason the mobile "chip" GPUs don't seem to get worn out by power failures though).

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May 06, 2022, 09:57:09 PM
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I'm no mining expert by any measure of the scale, but I wouldn't splash the cash on ASICs if you don't know how to operate them on a large scale. It's way too easy to mess up some configuration and many of your ASICs get disabled/crippled for some time which negatively impacts rent installments.
That's one of the biggest reasons I decided not to invest in an ASIC farm myself. I'm still looking into managing/maintaining other people's farms with proprietary software, though.

On the other hand, I'd make sure wherever you are hosting those GPUs has a backup power supply - it's just as deadly to high-wattage GPUs as it is to ASICs (for some reason the mobile "chip" GPUs don't seem to get worn out by power failures though).
That has not been my experience at all. Video cards, as well as other PC components, very rarely fail when the power is turned off even multiple times a day at full load. UPS batteries are a complete waste of $$. What I installed in my previous warehouse was a whole-panel surge protector, which cost < $400.
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May 07, 2022, 05:27:31 PM
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I've been GPU mining since early 2013 on and off, starting with a single Radeon HD 7850 video card, then multiple R9 270's during the Dogecoin boom, then with 200 GPUs (RX 570's and GTX 1060's) during the 2017-2018 ETH gold rush with help from outside investors. My business went bankrupt in late 2018 because a big investor pulled out after ETH started falling, we only got 200 cards instead of 1000+ so we defaulted on the lease, and I scaled back down to a single rig in 2019-2021.

But now, with my regular job (software development) allowing me to work fully remote, I'm really interested in moving to somewhere with cheap-ish power and opening a small warehouse again. Since I'm currently in NJ, I thought about upstate NY first, but I don't like the BitLicense crap and state income tax, plus it's the middle of nowhere. I also considered NH/MT because they have no sales tax, but I'm interested in having a real life outside mining. OR/WA have cheap power but are too far away timezone-wise, as my job is located in EST.

My primary destination would be the Dallas TX area, unless one of you can recommend a better state. It seems to be an up-and-coming destination for mining farms and Bitcoin people (should be easier to find investors), plus the regulators are nice. The heat could be a problem, but at least the climate is dry. The best power cost I can get on ONCOR seems to be 7.0¢ in total (5.2¢ energy, 1.8¢ demand). I'm hoping to get day-ahead pricing and lower the cost to 6.0-6.5¢ by shutting down during price spikes.

My initial budget is $60k: $50k for the equipment and $10k for the lease deposit/construction costs. I want to add $6k of equipment per month, for a total of $100k invested by EOY. Warehouse rent will cost $1400-$2000/month and I think I can get a 3PH 600A 240v supply for 200 kW of capacity (600 x 240 x 1.73 x 80%). I have the financial stuff, like how to avoid income tax & sales tax, under control thanks to my accountant.

However, with the uncertainty about ETH PoS, I don't want to buy GPU rigs again. I'm thinking of starting out with ASICs. I did some research and I think I can start out with 100 Antminer S9's for $380 each. With custom firmware, I could run them at 13.5 Th @ 1100w. Mining calculators are telling me each one could make $1.40/day of profit, which is a ~270 day payback period. Of course, BTC difficulty will keep growing and that margin will be squeezed and that doesn't account for other costs.

But I'm new to ASIC mining, so I'm worried about the following stuff:

  • 1: What would the failure rate be on these old S9's? I heard that ASICs die quicker than GPUs.
  • 2: Is 7¢ too high of a rate to get into ASIC mining, especially with Antminer S9s? If BTC price falls below $30k, the profit margin looks like it will be so low it will be unviable for me.
  • 3: How can I get insurance for this business that has the highest chance of paying out if there's a fire?
  • 4: Can I get away with installing 240v 6-20R outlets then plugging the PSUs directly into them to avoid the cost of PDUs? I used to have 30A L6-30R outlets.
  • 5: Is it worth mining with ASICBoost? Why isn't everybody doing it?
  • 6: Should I go with the Antminer L3 series instead? It seems they're selling for 1-year low prices and less of the revenue is spent on power.

Once ETH goes PoS, and I locked in a cheap power rate due to demonstrating that 100 kW of demand to the suppliers thanks to the Antminers, I would stop investing in new ASICs and start buying up cheap GPUs. I think that could be a great time to get into large scale GPU mining with older cards like the GTX 1000's / RX 500's, which should crash the most in price after the n00b GPU miners panic. At 6-7¢/kWh, it's probably a better long-term choice than ASIC mining.

Any recommendations from the seasoned ASIC operators? Should I just wait for PoS and stick to GPU mining because it's what I know best?

I'm a few hours north of Dallas in Oklahoma. My rate here is 4.3c per Kwh. Power is sourced hydro and wind so it's ESG friendly.  I'm literally looking over the damn/lake from my living room as I type this. I have about .5 Mw of capacity and can add more. I was going to do it and asics almost tripled in price and was no longer interested. I want to start a hotel of miners, I can go hands on if needed. lmk
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May 09, 2022, 04:09:03 AM
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I'm a few hours north of Dallas in Oklahoma. My rate here is 4.3c per Kwh. Power is sourced hydro and wind so it's ESG friendly.  I'm literally looking over the damn/lake from my living room as I type this. I have about .5 Mw of capacity and can add more. I was going to do it and asics almost tripled in price and was no longer interested. I want to start a hotel of miners, I can go hands on if needed. lmk
That's an excellent rate. It might be a good time to buy more ASICs since BTC price has fallen more. I definitely know a few people who have enough capital to buy a few hundred kilowatts of miners, but are having trouble finding a decent mining site + somebody to maintain it. Send me a PM if you want me to get you in touch with them. Perhaps the three of us can each bring something to the table. I myself have custom software to boost profit and I can do most of the boots-on-the-ground work.
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