Pay in rubles or have your gas shut off by April

[Oluwa-btc]

How true of the Russian Ruble having it's worth despite the sanctions imposed ?
Is the Rubble worth more than the USD right now ?
I asked a question some weeks back about who gain's from War, now I think it should have been, when two great countries fight the lower countries gain from them, who are the major benfitors of the war ?

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[Nerdy doctor]

How true of the Russian Ruble having it's worth despite the sanctions imposed ?
Is the Rubble worth more than the USD right now ?
I asked a question some weeks back about who gain's from War, now I think it should have been, when two great countries fight the lower countries gain from them, who are the major benfitors of the war ?

In my opinion there isn't any victor on the battlefield as war is senseless and bloody

[Zilon]

Putin is taking advantage of how much the Europeans need for the Russian gas and oil isn't compromised by the standing sanction. And this is a perfect strategy to awaken the slowly diminishing roubles.  I understand Putin is ensuring the Russian economy still stand tall despite the invasion and the irreplaceable desire for natural resources will still keep the Russian boarders open giving them the opportunity to demand their choice of payment gateway

[Taskford]

Putin is taking advantage of how much the Europeans need for the Russian gas and oil isn't compromised by the standing sanction. And this is a perfect strategy to awaken the slowly diminishing roubles.  I understand Putin is ensuring the Russian economy still stand tall despite the invasion and the irreplaceable desire for natural resources will still keep the Russian boarders open giving them the opportunity to demand their choice of payment gateway

This is how you counter those sanction imposed to them and Putin is doing a right thing since from this they can .ame their economy more stronger even if the sanctions has not lifted out yet. Also as Russia is one of major distributer of some important products for sure many country will still do a business with them since its a huge loss for anyone if they ride with those sanctions and curse russia for what they do.

[325btc]

Most easy way to pay is USDT also putijn will like it instead of btc becouse its stable so he dont need to worry about volatility so much.

[lixer]

How true of the Russian Ruble having it's worth despite the sanctions imposed ?
Is the Rubble worth more than the USD right now ?
I asked a question some weeks back about who gain's from War, now I think it should have been, when two great countries fight the lower countries gain from them, who are the major benfitors of the war ?

It seems true. I did a recheck online and several articles also talks about this increase in the ruble currency. The reason why it happens is already discussed in this thread but no, the ruble price is not higher than US dollars price. As of today, 1 ruble is only equivalent to 0.012 US dollars.

For your last question, it looks like Russia is the one that gains or benefits from the war because of what happened to their own currency but is that enough? Don't forget that they are still in sanctioned and its effect have not worn off yet. There might be other reasons on why this war have started, not only by this one and I think it wasn't in the plan before?

[Pomogator]

Many countries indignantly refused to pay for gas in rubles. This is a violation of previously signed contracts. Most recently, at a meeting with Austria, Putin said that she could continue to pay in Euros, so the mood is not clear. I think Russia will sell gas for rubles, but selectively. A very difficult question, I think Putin will make you pay in rubles.

[Sir Legend]

As we know that Russia is a gas-producing country that supplies many European countries, what Russia has done by requiring gas payments in rubles is an anticipatory measure in case of stricter sanctions, of course when transactions with rubles will create dependence on EURO or Dollars doesn't happen again.

[Synchronice]

Putin has threatened so called unfriendly states to pay in rubles or have its gas supply shut off. It has said it doesn't buy things for free and so isn't going to charitable with its energy.
Europe has kicked against this with Germany saying its being blackmailed by this move. What other choice does Europe has with Russia alone selling about 40% of energy to the world.

Okay, let's say, Germany, Russia's biggest gas importer is not going to pay in Roubles and other European countries follow the step, then what? Where the fuck are they going to sell their gas and how the fuck are they going to profit? They need money to live. Also, every single day, the war requires a lot of money. Robert Habeck recently said that Germans should reduce demand on Russian gas as much as possible. He suggests Germans to lower the room temperature by one or more degrees, work remotely if possible and move on public transport.

[minairia3]

To be honest, if European countries don't want to freeze to death then they inevitably have to obey the rules set by Putin. This step actually looks cruel but I see this is the last step from Putin to escape the sanctions imposed on Russia.

That's not true, the risks are not nearly as high as you present them, which is why the EU must impose a gas embargo on Russia. There's the statement that EU already has enough gas till the end of winter. Now it's getting warmer, so the matter of gas will become relevant from the next heating season, starting in October. It's half a year away from now, and Germany buys around 40% of gas from Russia (so more than half is already covered by other sources). Also, the US said it'll help EU (and US has quite a lot of gas). Not to mention that if the Western world acted more swiftly right now, they could make the war end sooner, and then they could work out new deals with the new Russian government, including gas deals.

this is good news, I hope that what they say is true, because what I see on the news today, that germany is experiencing an energy crisis and their gas reserves are running low. I know that western countries and the US will try to protect friendly countries, but how long will Putin endure this attack?

There are different, even opposing, analyses as regards Germany's fate should it decide to wean itself completely from Russia's gas and oil and even coal. But the numbers don't lie and that Germany is in fact heavily reliant on Russia with regard to these goods. This must be the reason why Germany was more careful in their steps when Russia started to invade Ukraine. But eventually it seemed Germany had to take that bold step. It is either they will remain hostage by Russia or they will contribute pressure for Putin to stop his madness. And Germany chose the latter. It is now their responsibility to urgently find alternatives.
Putin may do away with any timeline. He may send Russian troops to Ukraine no end regardless if they come home alive or not. But how long do Russians endure their leader's madness?

Discovering alternatives is not as easy as we say. Germany is dependent on Russia for its mineral resources and Russia is taking advantage of this weakness.

If Germany takes steps in favor of Ukraine and contributes pressure on Putin about shutting down his madness, then the arrogant mad Putin will hit Germany's weak point by cutting off its gas, oil, and coal supplies.

It is to be hoped that Germany will find an alternative.
But when? And how?

[Pejoh Asu]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

[Smitty Werben Man Jensen]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

Regardless of whether or not what is being done, Russia is really clever in taking advantage of the existing situation,
they knew what they had to do so the pressure turned on Europe,
clearly I hope this war can end soon and Ukrainian civilians really suffer because of this

[Ozero]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

And what did Putin achieve? A large majority of European countries refused to pay Russia for oil and gas supplies in rubles. But the EU countries appreciated the blackmail of Russia and decided to quickly abandon Russian gas and oil forever. Putin should not have gone for such blackmail, because in the long run Russia will lose a lot from him.
Moreover, the sixth package of sanctions has already been practically prepared, which will be directed against the Russian Sberbank, and a complete embargo on oil and gas from Russia will also be introduced. Putin blackmailed. Europe completely refuses oil and gas from Russia. If these sanctions are introduced, the Russian economy faces a complete collapse.

[be.open]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

And what did Putin achieve? A large majority of European countries refused to pay Russia for oil and gas supplies in rubles. But the EU countries appreciated the blackmail of Russia and decided to quickly abandon Russian gas and oil forever. Putin should not have gone for such blackmail, because in the long run Russia will lose a lot from him.
Moreover, the sixth package of sanctions has already been practically prepared, which will be directed against the Russian Sberbank, and a complete embargo on oil and gas from Russia will also be introduced. Putin blackmailed. Europe completely refuses oil and gas from Russia. If these sanctions are introduced, the Russian economy faces a complete collapse.

Gazprom's long-term contracts are concluded in the post-paid format for each billing period. The next payments for gas under some existing contracts should be made this week. In the absence of payment for gas, after the grace period of five days, gas supplies will be terminated. Very soon we will find out who has the big balls in this story and whether Europe is ready to abandon Russian gas right now.

[CapGelatik]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

I think it was part of the plan from Russia and they really prepared everything,
it seems that it is indeed Russia's plan to pressure European countries that will impose sanctions,
after all we can see that this war is very complex and we will see how far this war will go

[DrBeer]

Another "victory" of the Kremlin ghouls
"Russian oil giant Rosneft was unable to sell 6.5 million tons of raw materials on the market, as it demanded a full prepayment in rubles, Reuters writes, citing traders."

Refiners in Europe are less and less willing to process Russian oil. The war and sanctions against the Russian Federation have already led to the fact that many Western buyers of Russian oil have stopped new spot purchases. Vitol Group, the largest oil trader, will significantly limit the sale of oil from the Russian Federation in the second quarter, and plans to completely stop trading in Russian raw materials by the end of this year. Prior to this, similar decisions were made by BP, Shell and Eni.

Link https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/rosneft-fails-sell-oil-giant-tender-traders-say-2022-04-25/

[CaptainCrapper]

Putin has threatened so called unfriendly states to pay in rubles or have its gas supply shut off. It has said it doesn't buy things for free and so isn't going to charitable with its energy.
Europe has kicked against this with Germany saying its being blackmailed by this move. What other choice does Europe has with Russia alone selling about 40% of energy to the world.

Now all of natto Related country trying to get facility from USA and Rasa getting sensation day by day so they cant do anything by treat I think.

[DrBeer]

In the absence of payment for gas, after the grace period of five days, gas supplies will be terminated.

Well, the first one went - Russia suspended gas supplies to Poland.

Let's not pull out 1 line from the whole event?

What does the whole picture look like of what is happening on the gas market in Poland and around?! FACTS:

1. Real "first - go!" It was this winter when Russia, violating all contractual relations, with the aim of terrorizing consumers, in order to achieve its illegal desires, stopped the flow of gas towards the EU. I will not recall the previous, even earlier "first-go".
2. As early as March 17, 2022, Poland announced that it was refusing to buy Russian gas even under short-term contracts, and the contract, which ends in 2022, will not be extended. Those. in this case, which you pointed out, Russia has once again shown its "stability" by violating the fulfillment of its obligations and implementing its complexes. This is "normal" for Russia - feel free to describe the real picture
3. In September 2021, PGNiG signed a 20-year contract with the United States for the supply of liquefied natural gas. Supplies of liquefied natural gas from the United States to Poland will be increased from 3.5 million tons to 5.5 million tons per year from 2023. This increase will just approximately cover the critical shortage of gas, after the cessation of gas purchases from Russia, by the end of the current contract.
4. Polish gas market: 5 billion cubic meters - own production, about 6-7 billion through the Swinoujscie LNG terminal - a regasification terminal located in the Polish city of Swinoujscie. Designed to receive liquefied natural gas (LNG) from gas carriers, its subsequent regasification and transfer to gas distribution networks. This is approximately 12 billion cubic meters of gas. At the same time, the total consumption is approximately 15 billion. This means that Poland needs to buy 3 billion cubic meters from others (read - Russia). The contract, which Russia violated today, envisaged the supply of up to 9 billion cubic meters. Taking into account the gas terror from Russia that has already taken place, a project was launched to pump Norwegian gas, and around November 2022 this supply route will start working
5. Yes, Poland will now have a somewhat difficult period, but this is temporary, and even more so - summer. In 6 months Russia will finally lose a stable buyer of gas. What will Russia do with it, which has almost no storage facilities, will become a problem for Russia.

In total - another "victory in Russian", or as it is called in the rest of the world - "shoot yourself in the foot"

See how the information played with colors, how complete and multifaceted it turned out to be?

PS. Dear be.open, despite our diametrically opposed views, I respect your opinion. But a strong recommendation - do not submit such "unspoken" information! Anyone who spends 10 seconds checking it is guaranteed to come to the conclusion that you are either manipulating or distorting or giving "reluctant" or not revealing the "full picture". And you're doing it on purpose

[be.open]

In the absence of payment for gas, after the grace period of five days, gas supplies will be terminated.

Well, the first one went - Russia suspended gas supplies to Poland.

Let's not pull out 1 line from the whole event?

What does the whole picture look like of what is happening on the gas market in Poland and around?! FACTS:

1. Real "first - go!" It was this winter when Russia, violating all contractual relations, with the aim of terrorizing consumers, in order to achieve its illegal desires, stopped the flow of gas towards the EU. I will not recall the previous, even earlier "first-go".
2. As early as March 17, 2022, Poland announced that it was refusing to buy Russian gas even under short-term contracts, and the contract, which ends in 2022, will not be extended. Those. in this case, which you pointed out, Russia has once again shown its "stability" by violating the fulfillment of its obligations and implementing its complexes. This is "normal" for Russia - feel free to describe the real picture
3. In September 2021, PGNiG signed a 20-year contract with the United States for the supply of liquefied natural gas. Supplies of liquefied natural gas from the United States to Poland will be increased from 3.5 million tons to 5.5 million tons per year from 2023. This increase will just approximately cover the critical shortage of gas, after the cessation of gas purchases from Russia, by the end of the current contract.
4. Polish gas market: 5 billion cubic meters - own production, about 6-7 billion through the Swinoujscie LNG terminal - a regasification terminal located in the Polish city of Swinoujscie. Designed to receive liquefied natural gas (LNG) from gas carriers, its subsequent regasification and transfer to gas distribution networks. This is approximately 12 billion cubic meters of gas. At the same time, the total consumption is approximately 15 billion. This means that Poland needs to buy 3 billion cubic meters from others (read - Russia). The contract, which Russia violated today, envisaged the supply of up to 9 billion cubic meters. Taking into account the gas terror from Russia that has already taken place, a project was launched to pump Norwegian gas, and around November 2022 this supply route will start working
5. Yes, Poland will now have a somewhat difficult period, but this is temporary, and even more so - summer. In 6 months Russia will finally lose a stable buyer of gas. What will Russia do with it, which has almost no storage facilities, will become a problem for Russia.

In total - another "victory in Russian", or as it is called in the rest of the world - "shoot yourself in the foot"

See how the information played with colors, how complete and multifaceted it turned out to be?

PS. Dear be.open, despite our diametrically opposed views, I respect your opinion. But a strong recommendation - do not submit such "unspoken" information! Anyone who spends 10 seconds checking it is guaranteed to come to the conclusion that you are either manipulating or distorting or giving "reluctant" or not revealing the "full picture". And you're doing it on purpose

I deleted my previous post because it looks like it was a bit premature and there was no confirmation from Gazprom. But since you managed to answer it, so be it, especially since it looks like the information about the termination of gas supplies to Poland under the Yamal contract is correct. Bulgaria also received a notice of gas shutdown due to lack of payment in rubles today.

The "full picture" is that Russia will no longer supply its resources without payment, which Russia is free to dispose of. Payment for gas in rubles is not some kind of April joke of Gazprom.

Europe wants to continue to receive resources from Russia, but that Russia does not receive money for this. This desire of Europe is understandable, but it is somewhat naive - in real life this does not happen, in order to get something you need you have to pay for it. Europe's attempts to refuse the supply of resources from Russia are demonstrative and generally untenable, it's like if you have running water at home, but you say - I'd rather switch to bottled water supplies than pay the bill for tap water, because I don't like the supplier tap water. And if there is not enough bottled water to take a shower every day, then I will wash less often, just to harm Putin. This would be a funny joke if it weren't for the sad truth.

[FlamingFingers]

A good step from russia to pressure europe, because of its high dependence on russian gas, russia dared to attack ukraine, and now russia is asking for payment in rubles so that europe will have to follow these rules or they will lose gas supply.

I think it was part of the plan from Russia and they really prepared everything,
it seems that it is indeed Russia's plan to pressure European countries that will impose sanctions,
after all we can see that this war is very complex and we will see how far this war will go

Russian energy firm Gazprom has told Poland and Bulgaria it will stop sending gas to the two countries from today. Whatever they're doing, they should just not switch to Nuclear War. Because I still don't understand why some old men who have over, enjoyed their lives, seen it all in the world, had it all, would now start scattering everything and turning the world upside down for those coming behind when they're just about to exit already.