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April 11, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
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What if i lost 1 word & words in the wrong order ?
Missing 1 word in a known location gives 2048 possibilities.
Missing 1 word in an unknown location gives 49,152 possibilities.
Missing 1 word in an unknown location and having any two words swapped gives 13,565,952 possibilities.

These are all easily brute forcible.

Having 24 known words in an unknown order gives 620,448,401,733,239,439,360,000 possibilities. Adding in an unknown word is irrelevant, since this is already impossible to brute force.

So you are going to have to be far more specific than just thinking "the words are in the wrong order". It is possible to test a couple of words in the wrong order, but not the entire seed phrase.
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April 11, 2022, 06:10:24 PM
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I just check from my software wallet & bitcoin explorer which i sent some bitcoin 3 years ago.
I named it HW coldwallet, it's unlikely if i used the wrong address.

What if i lost 1 word & words in the wrong order ?
How exactly did you made that backup for your ledger wallet?
Did you wrote words on paper with your hand or you made some kind of digital backup (I would never recommend doing something like this)?
Most mistakes I have seen people doing is when they are trying to invent warm warm again, making their own ''special'' systems with mixing of words order.
Number one rule for backup of your words is to double check if they are correct and working as soon as you generate them, Trezor is offering testing for that and I think ledger has something similar.

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April 12, 2022, 01:01:20 PM
Merited by o_e_l_e_o (4), nc50lc (1)
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So you are going to have to be far more specific than just thinking "the words are in the wrong order". It is possible to test a couple of words in the wrong order, but not the entire seed phrase.
just got the wallet, i made several mistake when i wrote it down on paper sheet.
No. 13 instead of 2,  no. 2 instead of 3
No. 14 instead of 4,  no. 3 instead of 5
No. 15 instead of 6,  no. 4 instead of 7
....   etc

and the missing word is "doll" but I wrote it "dool". I don't think it's possible because there are 2 words that are the same
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April 12, 2022, 01:29:23 PM
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just got the wallet, i made several mistake when i wrote it down on paper sheet.
No. 13 instead of 2,  no. 2 instead of 3
No. 14 instead of 4,  no. 3 instead of 5
No. 15 instead of 6,  no. 4 instead of 7
....   etc
Glad you managed to recover your wallet.

So you wrote the words in two columns, and then mixed up whether you should read across the rows or down the columns? Easily done.

and the missing word is "doll" but I wrote it "dool".
You should have said that - far easier to narrow the search down to a handful of words like doll, door, pool, cool, etc., than to search all 2048 words in that space.

I don't think it's possible because there are 2 words that are the same
There is nothing in BIP39 which prevents words being repeated, even multiple times.
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April 13, 2022, 09:22:19 AM
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So, did you do something like this, but with two instead of three or more columns?

Maybe the words are written down like this:
1, 2, 3, 4,
5, 6, 7, 8,
9, 10, 11, 12

but you are recovering according to

1, 4, 7
2, 5, 8
3, 6, 9... etc.

Have you now recovered your coins in a hot wallet, what did you use? You mentioned MetaMask in previous posts. MM will allow you to regain control of your ETH and the associated ETH-based tokens, but you still need something for your Bitcoin. You have now minimized the security of your seed since it's been inserted in hot wallets. As soon as you fix your Ledger or purchase a different HW, you should definitely generate a new seed and move your coins from the one that was imported online. 

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April 13, 2022, 11:50:19 AM
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and the missing word is "doll" but I wrote it "dool".
You should have said that - far easier to narrow the search down to a handful of words like doll, door, pool, cool, etc., than to search all 2048 words in that space.
Yep. I've done it manually before but it doesn't work and spend a lot of time, so I mixed it with FinderOuter like dave suggested.


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So, did you do something like this, but with two instead of three or more columns?

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Correct, I put the word order manually   Wink Wink

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