Accusing GeorgeJohn and/or KingsDen for account farming

[BlackHatCoiner]

I'm not a person who does this kind of searches often, but there's this guy who's made me really curious. It's just a conjecture, I have no blockchain analysis.

In the past, some connection was found between users GeorgeJohn and Ebede.

Coincidences:

• Ebede had submitted their application using GeorgeJohn's credentials: https://ninjastic.space/post/56688056
• Their writing style is very similar.
• They both used the uncommon delta character "∆".
• They both have created motivational threads of how to be a quality poster.

GeorgeJohn has responded that Ebede was a friend of him from University. (Check the connection above)

Then I saw this thread of Ratimov where he exposes RainbowKun's alts. I haven't read the entire thread, as it requires a ton of time to understand why the hell RainbowKun is judged for, to verify the evidence etc., but I saw Ratimov including KingsDen to this account farming, which is a somewhat established member. (In #6 Ratimov says he's doubtful, but he finds it likely for KingsDen to be involved in it)

Recently, ChipMixer's campaign manager announced for opened slots. This is when it started smelling fishy to me. Quoting this message that says it all:

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These two weirdly similar posts, the usernames, the structure of threads you write, subjects of your threads like unintentional plagiarism.  There is something in the air that tells me these two accounts may be related.  May be just me making too many links though.

Edit.  GeorgeJohn even received 9 merits from KingsDen in the last 120 days.  KingsDen suggested Ratimov to help GeorgeJohn get to Hero: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5345240.msg59011076#msg59011076.

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Regards,
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So, to sum up. We have a GeorgeJohn, who's been caught to have a weird connection with Ebede. He denied the account was his. Then, we have a large account farming from RainbowKun, in which KingsDen is included. Then, we see GeorgeJohn and KingsDen, who also write similarly, make an "R" post in the ChipMixer thread at the same time, one of which, by the way, wants to help the other rank up.

I don't care about those two particularly, but I'm concerned that there may be some gigantic farming monster among us who's mocking everyone for good. And I'm afraid that they overfill threads, responding to themselves, loading the forum with spam just to fulfill their posting quota, which is likely hundreds of posts per week.

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[Rikafip]

In the past, some connection was found between users GeorgeJohn and Ebede.

Given the evidence provided, there is a pretty solid chance that those two accounts are controlled by the same person, and GeorgeJohn explanation how his friend took over control of his account as part of April 1st joke is really far fetched, on par with "dog ate my homework" excuse. Identical posting style (even more than GeorgeJohn-KingsDen) is also one of the things that connects those two accounts.

Then I saw this thread of Ratimov where he exposes RainbowKun's alts. I haven't read the entire thread, as it requires a ton of time to understand why the hell RainbowKun is judged for, to verify the evidence etc., but I saw Ratimov including KingsDen to this account farming, which is a somewhat established member. (In #6 Ratimov says he's doubtful, but he finds it likely for KingsDen to be involved in it)

Evidence provided there is kinda flimsy, or I didn't understand the basis of the connection. So, this post was used as a proof that those two accounts might be connected, but that one was just the correction of another user's post. On top of that, the very same account that is allegedly part of RainbowKun's account farm accused KingsDen of merit whoring and I kinda doubt that someone would call out his own alt account in such way, unless its all part of the show in order to farm more merit. We've seen people doing all kind of crazy stuff to scoop some merit so this is also one of the possibilities.

I am now a little skeptical that you are posting just for merit. Please do not deliberately publish some content that merit source likes, do not perform, please be the real man!

Recently, ChipMixer's campaign manager announced for opened slots. This is when it started smelling fishy to me. Quoting this message that says it all:

Yep, strange coincidence. I wonder though how KingsDen didn't end up in CM campaign, given his expertise in any given subject.

Will be active in any board ChipMixer needs more visibility.

Their writing style is very similar.

GeorgeJohn tends to write long sentences and using comma often, while KingsDen's sentences are much shorter. I just don't know how hard would it be keep that separated and not slip occasionally.

I don't care about those two particularly, but I'm concerned that there may be some gigantic farming monster among us who's mocking everyone for good. And I'm afraid that they overfill threads, responding to themselves, loading the forum with spam just to fulfill their posting quota, which is likely hundreds of posts per week.

I would be really surprised if there's no big account farm that is milking the forum via signature campaigns, considering the fact that there are more spots in signature campaigns than there are solid posters which makes it easy for even subpar posters to get accepted.


When you look at all these little "coincidences" separately they don't mean much, but when you add them up it starts to look suspicious. In the end, its kinda hard to draw any conclusions without strong evidence like address connection.

[BlackHatCoiner]

When you look at all these little "coincidences" separately they don't mean much, but when you add them up it starts to look suspicious.

That's what I was thinking too. This place is so big for few spambusters to do the job; there are things that go unnoticed such as this one. You have to connect the dots.

In the end, its kinda hard to draw any conclusions without strong evidence like address connection.

Sure, I agree. It matters what they have to say in their defense, though. If I were them, I would say that the accounts don't talk in the same boards.[1][2]

[1] https://ninjastic.space/user/GeorgeJohn
[2] https://ninjastic.space/user/KingsDen

They may share the work, though. What I also found out is that KingsDen, who seems to be keen on the Gambling Discussion, didn't use to write there until he was accepted in a signature campaign which forced him to.[3][4]

[3] His first message in Gambling Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271157.msg57916572#msg57916572 *
[4] Him applying in Rollbit, 2 hours before the first message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326641.msg57916280#msg57916280

Again, pure conjecture. I don't expect to be taken very seriously.


* Which by the way happened 2 days after the other account, which is accused as KingsDen's alt, makes their first Gambling post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271157.msg57907905#msg57907905

[Rikafip]

This place is so big for few spambusters to do the job; there are things that go unnoticed such as this one. You have to connect the dots.

What's caught is just a tip of the iceberg. Some time ago I started looking into what I believe is a big group of high rank accounts that are all part of the same thread bumping group, but they did such a good job that it was very hard to prove with 100% certainty that they are all part of the same group so in the end I just gave up and never even bothered to write a post about it. Sometimes you just don't have strong enough evidence and that might be the case here, unless someone digs stronger proof.

What I also found out is that KingsDen, who seems to be keen on the Gambling Discussion, didn't use to write there until he was accepted in a signature campaign which forced him to.

When it comes to adjusting posting habits to signature campaign rules, half of signature campaign participants are guilty of that, especially when it  comes to writing in gambling discussion board which is a mess due that. There are so many that have no clue what they are talking about and probably never even watched the sport they are commenting but hey, gotta fill the sig requirements. There are very few natural posters in that section while rest are writing there because they have to so I wouldn't look too much into this as something suspicious.

[BlackHatCoiner]

When it comes to adjusting posting habits to signature campaign rules, half of signature campaign participants are guilty of that, especially when it  comes to writing in gambling discussion board which is a mess due that.

That's why I said it. To exclude that board when calculating the percentages of posts from each board of each user. Not sure if it's the only thing that affects it, though.

Even if it was and they had the same percentages, it still wouldn't be a solid proof. Let's just wait and see what GeorgeJohn or KingsDen has to say about this.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Can I give my opinion on these two accounts?
I am well acquainted with Ratimov's topic of exposing RainbowKun. I can say with confidence that neither one nor the other account belonged to this farm. The RainbowKun farm consisted of persons or persons of Chinese origin, as proven by their plagiarisms translated using Google Translate.
And your suspect accounts belong to the Nigerian section, and it's not surprising to see their mutual support.

I had some connections with each of these two accounts. And as for the similarity of these accounts, I would highly doubt it.
KingsDen from the first days tried to stand out and quickly get a rank, from this we see its "lessons", which, however, all newcomers have been doing lately. His texts are more connected, and more understandable, which cannot be said about the posts of George John. I also often reproached GeorgeJohn for not using punctuation marks. He probably started using them after all.

What more can be said? I'm seeing a lot of support from the Nigerian section, and they might likely be familiar with each other. But I would hardly say that these two accounts belong to the same person.

[GeorgeJohn]

I'm responding to this accusations or petition because you needs a words of clarification from me neither kingsden, actually i saw the beginning of this from chipmixer signature campaign were i submitted my application you merited privacy G for quoting I and kingsden application, it's very obvious in this community that submission of application of any user in opened signature campaign can come as much as same time, so i dont know were you have the confidence that Georgejohn and kingsden might be same person.. i think it's assumption and you have to put your eyes on desk.

I'm not a person who does this kind of searches often, but there's this guy who's made me really curious. It's just a conjecture, I have no blockchain analysis

from the time i joined forum is not quit far from when you joined the community, the space is like two months difference or interval, you should have known the difference between me and kingsden in all ramifications...i did not expect this precisely from BlackHatCoiner because we started this forum same year and some months different, but i know that everyone have the right to portray their point.

Sure, I agree. It matters what they have to say in their defense, though. If I were them, I would say that the accounts don't talk in the same boards.

wow.. i just been considerate to my account and i don't bother to know were any user make it suggestions, before you come up with this, you should have peruse or penetrate into my account first and you will notice a huge differences between both accounts.

if kingsden is my account, then how will i purposely apply in bestchange signature campaign which Georgejohn is already in existence for some months now and approximately one year if am not mistaking "just think about that". is not stupid of me. My brother i dont know your gender precisely and don't be offended by addressing you as brother. Is very obvious that eye have it that kingsden don't have connections with Georgejohn... Thanks..Rikafip , lovesmayfamilis for your cogent respond and also BlackHatCoiner for your asseveration.

[English Patrol Scuad]

I don't expect kingsDen's case to be brought back just because he started working for the bestchnge campaign, it should be for other things that you may still have doubts about especially when you are suspicious about the two accounts.

Sorry to deviate from your topic but have a look around as several other people also share the same style when posting image. Can we say alt?

• Republikcoin.com
• Lantind
• bestcoins1
• Davian144

https://i.ibb.co/QdrV93b/Screenshot-66.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/DY8Y4NP/Screenshot-67.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/YTXsMz9/Screenshot-68.jpg

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https://i.postimg.cc/tCwQ5FTP/Screenshot-44.jpg

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Pay attention to their posting style, their activity, their merit history and also how they joined the bounty or signature campaign. You may get another clue.
But sorry I can't post image.

There is a screenshot number at each end of the image they upload which may be identical to the same device. This is an early clue as to why I thought they were alt.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Sorry to deviate from your topic but have a look around as several other people also share the same style when posting image. Can we say alt?

If you want to post about connected accounts, this is the thread >>> (Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2022 Q2)) you are looking for instead of hijacking threads

If they have cheated or broken any forum rule, and you want members to give their opinions, just make a fresh topic with pinning evidence.

[KingsDen]

Let's just wait and see what GeorgeJohn or KingsDen has to say about this.

When I was relatively new in this space, before now I would have dropped successive wall of texts to prove my innocence. But as the saying goes, "the older the wiser". I have come to the realisation that some signature campaigns require a user to make 50 posts per week and most often, some of these users run out of ideas and will resort to causing stirs in order to complete their signature quota.
Beside my above claim, who would have witnessed myself and George in this forum and also our pattern of growth amidst other glaring differences and say that we are one?

I sincerely thank Lovesmayfamilis for speaking out, it takes understanding to know but takes courage to speak out. Many who understands that GeorgeJohn and KingsDen are not same person have seen this post but were not courageous enough to make judgement. I respect you the more.

I don't expect kingsDen's case to be brought back just because he started working for the bestchnge campaign,

Thank you very much for your concern, but to set the record straight, KingsDen has no case to be resurfaced or discarded at mercy.

[BlackHatCoiner]

so i dont know were you have the confidence that Georgejohn and kingsden might be same person.. i think it's assumption and you have to put your eyes on desk.

Well, I explained it a little bit in the OP.

from the time i joined forum is not quit far from when you joined the community, the space is like two months difference or interval, you should have known the difference between me and kingsden in all ramifications...i did not expect this precisely from BlackHatCoiner because we started this forum same year and some months different, but i know that everyone have the right to portray their point.

This is irrelevant.

Beside my above claim, who would have witnessed myself and George in this forum and also our pattern of growth amidst other glaring differences and say that we are one?

So why did you post the exact same thing ("R") in less than a minute after GeorgeJohn? Shouldn't one consider this suspicious?


As I've already said, I don't have anything against you two. I'm just speaking out some coincidences. I don't expect anyone to take me seriously.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yep, strange coincidence. I wonder though how KingsDen didn't end up in CM campaign, given his expertise in any given subject.

Will be active in any board ChipMixer needs more visibility.

Well, when you're applying for the Chipmixer campaign I guess some people think throwing whatever they can against the wall and hoping it sticks is the best option--though I'm not sure if there are any sections of bitcointalk that the CM campaign pays for that are underrepresented.  

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These two weirdly similar posts, the usernames, the structure of threads you write, subjects of your threads like unintentional plagiarism.  There is something in the air that tells me these two accounts may be related.  May be just me making too many links though.

If those two posts had happened in a vacuum, they still might have raised a tiny red flag in my head, but with all the other evidence presented here I'm pretty much convinced there's probably some relationship between the two members.  I would not be surprised to find out that they're under the control of the same person, which is disappointing.  

Edit: Looks like I did some post history reviews for KingsDen last year, which I would not have done had I had suspicions; I could have his name mixed up in my head with RainbowKun's, but I'm not sure, so don't take offense just yet, KingsDen.  I could swear there was some drama surrounding him (KingsDen) at some point, though.

By the way, I seem to recall the issue of KingsDen having alt accounts not being a new one by any means.  Does anyone remember this being brought up before?  I know I commented on it in at least one thread, though it could have been a year or more ago and I don't know which section it might have been in or even how to quickly find the post(s) I made about it.

[Rikafip]

By the way, I seem to recall the issue of KingsDen having alt accounts not being a new one by any means.  Does anyone remember this being brought up before?  I know I commented on it in at least one thread, though it could have been a year or more ago and I don't know which section it might have been in or even how to quickly find the post(s) I made about it.

Are you maybe referring to KingsDen and Magicalking....alts? thread that was started by you? nutildah had strong suspicion that same person was behind those two accounts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Are you maybe referring to KingsDen and Magicalking....alts? thread that was started by you?

Ha ha....!  I would tell you I was really laughing if it wasn't so sad that my brain is like a block of Swiss cheese with a shotgun wound or two.  And that wasn't even over a year ago, nor do I recall starting that thread in particular.

In any case, yep that's what I was thinking of.  Thank you for digging up what I could have done in seconds had I realized I'd started that thread.  Looks like MagicalKing is being just active enough to keep earning activity points and little else; I just took a peek at his post history, as I couldn't remember seeing a post from him in a long-ass time, and unless he's posting in sections I have on ignore he's only been making short ones every few weeks since that drama went down.  I could be wrong of course.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Okay, fortunately I turned out wrong. I guess case's closed now.