Fluid gender garbage.

[OgNasty]

Someone needs to make the argument to me about why gender can be fluid but race can’t be. It’s a weird liberal double standard that makes no sense. As they begin being so woke that they turn on themselves I imagine the next decade is not going to be kind to democrats at the polls. People are getting sick of mental illness being considered normal, crime being allowed to run rampant, and the government overstepping their boundaries to force their masks and fears on the rest of us. Now that people are seeing the damage this scamdemic has caused with inflation and the government lying and blaming Putin, I think it won’t be long before the swamp drains itself this time.

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[o_e_l_e_o]

Someone needs to make the argument to me about why gender can be fluid but race can’t be.

Because gender and race are entirely different concepts? Stating that if gender can be fluid then race must also be fluid is a logical fallacy. Simple as that.

It would be like comparing two different physical characteristics and saying "Well, if you can change your weight then you therefore must also be able to change your height."

[paxmao]

Someone needs to make the argument to me about why gender can be fluid but race can’t be.

Because gender and race are entirely different concepts? Stating that if gender can be fluid then race must also be fluid is a logical fallacy. Simple as that.

It would be like comparing two different physical characteristics and saying "Well, if you can change your weight then you therefore must also be able to change your height."

In general, race by definition is genetic, however there may be fluidity in how you interpret your genetic background at different stages of your life or depending of your learning about your ancestry. In some countries you will fill in questionnaires and you can "choose your race" in a sense. For example, you may have 1/4 of African origin, but "decide" that you are "African Black" because that is how you "feel your race" or that one of your ancestors was Asian and then you consider yourself Asian.

This mostly occurs in the case of mixed origins and may interpret their background differently as time passes, for people who have a mostly uniform ancestry, race is kind of a given.

[PrimeNumber7]

In 100 years, I could imagine a society where young people are expected to find a gender identity in the same way as they find other aspects of themselves, and maybe their gender identity changes a few times over their lives.

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Especially in people younger than ~20, I think that transgenderism today is often (but not always) a result of depression.
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Many young children dream of being an astronaut, a firefighter, or a police officer when they grow up because society views them as heroes of the world. It is also not uncommon for young girls to go through a "tomboy" phase or a young boy to go through a feminine phase. Both are totally natural, however, most people ultimately outgrow these types of phases.

Just as it would be a bad idea to send a six-year-old into space, it it bad to chemically castrate a young teenager. It is even worse to pressure a young child into thinking they want to be a different gender, and to put the child through surgery in order to "affirm" what the preditor is saying the child's gender is.

In general, I don't have an issue if someone wants to falsely claim they are a different gender than they actually are. What I do have a problem with is that person imposing their nonsense on other people, as well as using their fiction to remove rights and privacy from others.

[Vispilio]

In 100 years, I could imagine a society where young people are expected to find a gender identity in the same way as they find other aspects of themselves, and maybe their gender identity changes a few times over their lives. Imagining such a society doesn't bother me at all.
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Especially in people younger than ~20, I think that transgenderism today is often (but not always) a result of depression. It's a way to escape one's life, imagine oneself as a completely different person, and attract attention. But because it makes life 100x more difficult, it feeds the depression rather than helping it. This, I believe, is why the suicide rate among transgender people is so high: it's not primarily because they're harassed for being transgender, but because they were clinically depressed from the start. (This is just a guess which I have no evidence for.)

If the world had let's say 8 million people instead of 8 billion+, that is if human life were currently precious and rare enough for the continuation of the species, then transgenderism and all of the LGBTQ+ movement would be seen as a serious disorder that needs to be healed.

Instead, you have an overcrowded world, limited resources, and some powerful groups are very interested to push any agenda that will keep the population down. Lower T, lower natural instincts, lower procreative sex, lower will to power; in short more docile, passive, dysfunctional and defective people that will rather prefer to be farmed like obedient and dependent consumers instead of being interested in their self preservation and creating a progeny...

One lesson that can be deduced from the Covid pandemic is that the vast majority of the Homo Sapiens currently inhabiting Earth are conformist followers, very small % of the species are capable of critical and independent thought, so if the ruling elite would like to push any agenda, no matter how detrimental it is to quality of life and even survival, a staggering majority are easily and eagerly convinced to obey like zombies...

[Cnut237]

If the world had let's say 8 million people instead of 8 billion+, that is if human life were currently precious and rare enough for the continuation of the species, then transgenderism and all of the LGBTQ+ movement would be seen as a serious disorder that needs to be healed.

Instead, you have an overcrowded world, limited resources, and some powerful groups are very interested to push any agenda that will keep the population down. Lower T, lower natural instincts, lower procreative sex, lower will to power; in short more docile, passive, dysfunctional and defective people that will rather prefer to be farmed like obedient and dependent consumers instead of being interested in their self preservation and creating a progeny...

One lesson that can be deduced from the Covid pandemic is that the vast majority of the Homo Sapiens currently inhabiting Earth are conformist followers, very small % of the species are capable of critical and independent thought, so if the ruling elite would like to push any agenda, no matter how detrimental it is to quality of life and even survival, a staggering majority are easily and eagerly convinced to obey like zombies...

I'd argue that if the percentage of people who are capable of critical and independent thought was to increase, then the percentage of people who hold your viewpoint would decrease. Is your position really that the (overwhelmingly) old, white men who control the world are actively plotting their own downfall in order to usher in some sort of trans-gender/gay/black/feminist/whatever-else-you-don't-like dystopia ruled entirely by oppressed minorities?

[CryptocurencyKing]

In many ways, philosophy and the so called motivational speakers could be some sick in the head people (Am just saying, not like I mean it but, if you look at it, it's actually true). To have come up with points like this gives me the impression of some gay lover speaking out on his or her context. The society wants us to respect onces choice for being a transgender, a guy person and other things like that but it's my wish as well that they don't force its acceptance on me.

One deduction I made out of OP was the fact that, despite there attempt to escape not sticking gender to some qualities, they still drew a fine line in expressing the fact that, there are habits or characters that could express in someone and it puts you in a gender bracket.
That in itself is the gender they were trying to avoid. Perhaps they could have gone ahead to say, there isn't a thing as gender. Garbage!

[Spendulus]

In 100 years, I could imagine a society where young people are expected to find a gender identity in the same way as they find other aspects of themselves, and maybe their gender identity changes a few times over their lives. Imagining such a society doesn't bother me at all. I think it's totally workable ...

Sure but it's a lot simpler to go in the other direction: Instead of 86/whatever genders, just one.

Hello, Komrade.

[Cnut237]

In 100 years, I could imagine a society where young people are expected to find a gender identity in the same way as they find other aspects of themselves, and maybe their gender identity changes a few times over their lives. Imagining such a society doesn't bother me at all. I think it's totally workable ...

Sure but it's a lot simpler to go in the other direction: Instead of 86/whatever genders, just one.

Hello, Komrade.

Ideally there would be no gender identities, because it would all be natural and wouldn't even need to be discussed. But for so long as discrimination persists, labelling of some sort is required.

Speaking of which, it's kinda snitch to have you back on the forum, hope you stick around.

[PrimeNumber7]

One lesson that can be deduced from the Covid pandemic is that the vast majority of the Homo Sapiens currently inhabiting Earth are conformist followers, very small % of the species are capable of critical and independent thought, so if the ruling elite would like to push any agenda, no matter how detrimental it is to quality of life and even survival, a staggering majority are easily and eagerly convinced to obey like zombies...

I think it is probably more true that social media companies have the ability to cause people to think in certain ways. During covid early days, there was a lot of propaganda surrounding covid, and social media was censoring posts that did not fit a particular narrative.

Many social media companies are trying to do similar things regarding gender, however, what they are pushing is just too ridiculous for most reasonable people to accept.

[Cnut237]

I think it is probably more true that social media companies have the ability to cause people to think in certain ways. During covid early days, there was a lot of propaganda surrounding covid, and social media was censoring posts that did not fit a particular narrative.

Many social media companies are trying to do similar things regarding gender, however, what they are pushing is just too ridiculous for most reasonable people to accept.

It's not social media companies that cause people to think in certain ways; they're simply the delivery mechanism. But obviously social media can be exploited by people/companies/nations to cause people to think in certain ways.

Facebook/Twitter etc don't have an incentive to promote any particular narrative, other than 'Facebook/Twitter is great'. Censoring tends to occur when social media companies decide that they need to do something because if they don't, it will reflect badly on them, and they could get into legal trouble or (worse) lose revenue. Censoring Trump (which is I think what you're alluding to) was done entirely out of self-interest, I don't imagine they give a f*ck about Rep/Dem etc, they're interested only in themselves as a company and how their actions or inaction affect their profits.

As regards Covid, they probably don't want to be seen to be promoting the view that people should be injecting themselves with bleach or exposing their internal organs to the healing power of sunshine. That could reflect kind of badly on them, if people start dying. I don't think they'd particularly care about people dying, but they'd certainly care about being associated with it (or being seen as causing it).

As regards gender, if social media companies appear to be pushing anything, then I'd suspect again it's out of self-interest, and not wanting to be accused of being anti- anything.

It's all self-interest, nothing more sinister than that.

[OgNasty]

In 100 years, I could imagine a society where young people are expected to find a gender identity in the same way as they find other aspects of themselves, and maybe their gender identity changes a few times over their lives.

In 100 years, when they dig up a body they will still test the bones to determine the gender of the individual.  They won't care about the person's self exploratory journey to discover who they are on the inside or worry about how they identified...  Science is science.  I find it absolutely insane that the party of science who bashes the other side constantly for not agreeing with their "research" can deny that gender isn't something we choose.  Taking it a step further, they can't even say what a woman is.  Only that they identify as one.  I think to be a modern day liberal you either have to suffer from serious mental illness or you are so set on having your way by any means possible that you look the other way at all the nonsense and stay focused on growing your numbers to get your way.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Science is science.

Like all the science supporting the existence of gender dysphoria, you mean?

[Foxpup]

In 100 years, when they dig up a body they will still test the bones to determine the gender of the individual.  They won't care about the person's self exploratory journey to discover who they are on the inside or worry about how they identified...

I'm very curious as to exactly what kind of archaeological studies you think are taking place that only care about the sex of a deceased individual and not how they actually lived (when the latter is, um, kinda the whole point of archeology). Are you sure you're not thinking of necrophilia?

Taking it a step further, they can't even say what a woman is.

Why would you expect them to? Dividing things into categories is a matter of taxonomy, not science, and taxonomists can't even agree on a definition of species that works in all cases. Rigid adherence to established biological taxonomy is how you end up making absurd statements like "tomatoes are technically a fruit", "viruses aren't really alive", and "there's no such thing as trees".