How Capitalism defeated socialism?

[davis196]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

I don't know what do you mean by "socialism".Many European countries are "welfare states" and they have many "socialist" elements embedded in their social security systems.
If you are talking about the socialism in Venezuela,Cuba,North Korea and the former USSR,this is more like communism,rather than socialism.
Capitalism is all about protecting the private property and the free market.Communism is about state property and a government-controlled command economy with almost no free markets.
Many socialist countries respect the private property and they have free markets,so I guess that you are oversimplifying a little bit.
The debate about "socialism" vs. capitalism has ended years ago.Capitalism can also be really bad,many capitalist countries are very poor and they can't get out of poverty,even though they are capitalist.

[Mauser]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

I wouldn't really say that capitalism defeated socialism, rather socialism together with communism defeated itself. Looking at the political systems today we all agree that capitalism was the better system. USA grew so much stronger in the last 80 years than Soviet Union or China. Socialism is strongly connected to communism and share a lot of the same principals. On paper it is a good system, it focuses on the common good of a country and helping everybody to have a better life. Things like central plannings makes that everybody should have enough and nobody is missing out. The problem is that people at the top are changing with power. Even if they were very good people before coming in office, once they taste all the power and money they will change. Instead of focusing on the common good eventually the politicians start to focusing on their own good, accumulating wealth and being open to corruption.

[Synchronice]

Every system has to adjust to the nature of humans.
Ask yourself this question: Who wants socialism? People who don't want to work hard but want to have the same standard of living as hard-working ones have right now.
And what's the nature of humanity? Deep in our hearts we are egoists, we want everything for ourselves, we don't want to work hard for others, we work hard for ourselves and it's okay, we should be like this, otherwise, humanity would never evolve.

People usually make parallels with USSR when you ask them an opinion about socialism. Why? Because the USSR was a great example. If we have a look at their history, socialism was working very well, it helped people to get wealthy. If you didn't have a home, you could get one after working for some years in a company. The government was pushing companies to do that. In theory, socialism is heaven and it's releasable heaven but the problem lies within people, there were some who wanted to benefit from others, there was corruption, everyone was trying to use their power to move forward financially and socially (i.e. to become a part of a higher class instead of equality). That problem with other factors, including the weakness of the communist party, their mentality and some holes in the system caused the destruction of socialism in their union.


By the way, capitalism hasn't really defeated socialism, not in Europe. Isn't it socialism when European countries offer tons of benefits to refugees and asylum claimers? Isn't it socialism when your medical bills are covered by the government? Isn't it socialism when supermarket consultant and IT specialist have the same salary? With a very slight difference? Especially in Sweden.

They believe Elon Musk should enjoy the same degree of wealth and success as a homeless drug addict living on the streets. And that people should not be rewarded for working harder, making better decisions and taking bigger risks.

He shouldn't enjoy the same degree of wealth as a homeless drug addict but he shouldn't touch everything, he shouldn't own everything, he shouldn't be the monopolist, he shouldn't own strategic objects. The problem with capitalism is that as time goes by, the rich become richer and the poor become poorer. It strengthens the root of rich people while weakens the middle/poor class and enslaves them.

[FairUser]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

I don't take sides, but you seem to have only said the good things about capitalism and saw the negatives of socialism. As long as they do well and bring a good life to their national leader, we can all find the face mopji for each social governance system, so if we do not support each other moving forward, our competitive society will never be free from negative problems. I can't imagine a future where there will be a new operating system to combine the good things of the above government machines, but it always comes to my mind that one day it will.

[bustabitsboy]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

We have a bad idea of ​​capitalism and socialism. Every economic system has its good and bad qualities. Today, the largest number of countries have a mixed form of capitalism with some degree of state regulation as in socialism. And there is nothing strange in this. These two economic systems are opposites, but both of these systems have the right to exist.

[Ozero]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

In all socialist countries, a double morality was established. The elite lived according to their own unwritten laws, and harsh conditions for life and life were established for the broad masses. Double morality was in all spheres of life and over time it manifested itself in everything. In many respects, the situation reached the point of absurdity. Therefore, what was on paper did not correspond to reality. Socialism turned out to be an even more ugly retreat from the normal and free life of man than capitalism. Even Nostradamus wrote that for 73 years people will move away from the natural path of development and this path will turn out to be a dead end. For so many years there was Soviet power in the USSR.

[Sir Legend]

If we think in a socialist-minded country then nothing is successful if it is used for an economic system, an example of an idealistic and socialist country is North Korea, where economic life is completely controlled by the government and there is no private role, but the result is poverty and hardship. makes us feel alive in the era of 50 years ago if we go to North Korea.

[el kaka22]

Social democracy, democratic socialism, socialism, communism. These are all different variants of "left" that many nations like USA couldn't really comprehend. Like for example public libraries that you do not pay for and just go and read and only pay if you take something out and can't bring it back on time, that is a system where the state pays for it, or the firemen that comes to your house and put out the fire, or the cops. These are all paid by the government. In another case, in many major nations, hospitals are just like police and firemen, doctors are paid by the government.

If you think cops should be paid by the government with your taxes but doctors shouldn't be, you do not really understand socialism. France doesn't just give equal pay to everyone and distribute food or something like that, it is not a communist nation, but it does have healthcare to begin with, and plenty other leftists stuff, and yet seen as not so leftist for Europe, since there are even far lefter nations.

[Pomogator]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

Of course socialism is indeed a lie of equality. Even in the Soviet Union there were rich people, there were just very few of them. There was even corruption. There are many examples and proofs of this.  It is better to live in capitalism and be able to climb the ladder of life than to live on the same level with everyone.

[mindrust]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

Capitalism is just human nature.

Ferrari make cars. Toyota make cars too. And yet, most people would prefer Ferrari to Toyota if they had the riches. Replace Ferrari with BMW and you'll get the same results.

There is a whole difference between living in an apartment flat and a mansion. According to socialism, they are both living. According to capitalism, apartment dude is not living which is pretty much true when you compare the apartment dude's life to the mansion guy.

Socialism makes people happy on paper but the reality is different. People don't want to get taxed. People don't want to pay for insurances. We are selfish and therefore capitalism suits us the best.

[RealMalatesta]

Social democracy, democratic socialism, socialism, communism. These are all different variants of "left" that many nations like USA couldn't really comprehend. Like for example public libraries that you do not pay for and just go and read and only pay if you take something out and can't bring it back on time, that is a system where the state pays for it, or the firemen that comes to your house and put out the fire, or the cops. These are all paid by the government. In another case, in many major nations, hospitals are just like police and firemen, doctors are paid by the government.

If you think cops should be paid by the government with your taxes but doctors shouldn't be, you do not really understand socialism. France doesn't just give equal pay to everyone and distribute food or something like that, it is not a communist nation, but it does have healthcare to begin with, and plenty other leftists stuff, and yet seen as not so leftist for Europe, since there are even far lefter nations.

There is a good reason for nations that have high happiness and good amount of money all end up with a mixed situation. Sure, you could have a capitalist system where a business could make billions of dollars worth profit, one of the richest man in the world is a French guy who owns clothing companies after all.

However, you also ask them to pay their fair share and get rich after that. They encourage you to make 20 billion dollars in profit, they help you do that as much as they can, they even ignore some stuff and lax regulations for it, but after you do that, they tax you heavily so that you would have to pay for it. Elon Musk says he paid a shit ton of tax, meanwhile Tesla keeps on reinvesting all their profits and do not really pay a lot, that is not how it works in Europe, that is the difference.

[gantez]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

I ask a question that has capital been practiced truely with the way that it is suppose to be without the corruption and government influence that captures all the infrastructure in the hands of few. The system of capitalism is suppose to be free but I see it having some influencing of the government people inside of it. They say what they say and go on to take over with the general people wealth to convert as the for them and family around them. This is not pure capitalism that can allow the individual genuine investment and why support is from government.

[Pejoh Asu]

Socialism has become a understanding that many countries abandoned, Vietnam is a country that successfully leaves socialism because to stop the turmoil of citizens is a difficult thing, even China which is the center of communist today does not see any influence of socialism in life every day, only becomes a symbol of the state There is no real practice.

[marine4u]

I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

I can support this view in both senses.  It was the unbalanced imposition of capitalist society that led to the formation of the "99 vs 1" movement in the US in early 2011. The influence of capitalism clearly manifests influential views throughout the region politics where the power of money dominates, the democracy of the people is overwhelmed. 

In contrast, socialism does not bring generosity like painted and beautified pictures, equality, and fairness are not definitive.  Pursuing purely economic interests to ignore democracy and sovereignty will succeed in the future???  Oh no.  It will have to happen a new, a trade-off for change.  My view is that both of these democracies have vulnerabilities that any orientation will cost.

[Cnut237]

We are selfish and therefore capitalism suits us the best.

I think I'd probably qualify that, we are partly selfish and therefore democratic capitalism suits us the best.

Pure socialism doesn't work, because it relies on everyone being totally selfless. But they aren't, so the system is very easy to exploit.
Pure capitalism in practice would be almost indistinguishable from pure socialism in practice... winner becomes fabulously wealthy, majority of the population are so poor that they struggle to survive.

What makes things work is democracy (however imperfect it may be). This is because it provides an essential counterweight against extremist ideology. People often disagree quite vehemently about how governments should behave, and the extent to which they should work for the populace against the extent to which they should enable businesses to flourish... but it's generally simply a question of degree. Most people would agree that any system that lacks a counterweight would be a terrible idea, and cause a lot of suffering.

[Lubang Bawah]

Some countries still have socialist understanding such as North Korea, Cuba and China, and in my opinion China has left a socialist system because it gives freedom to individuals and private to actively do business in China, while Cuba and North Korea still do not allow the private sector, making it difficult for the country to develop.

[BOAEDAN]

Personally, in my opinion, your question has been answered in the millennial era now, in the digital era and in the btc era, socialism is slowly disappearing, it can be said that actually we have entered the capitalist world for a long time, maybe the comparison is now 70-30, people who using socialists is likely only 30%.

[Smartprofit]

There are two socio-economic formations - socialism and communism.  Mankind has no experience of life under communism (war communism in Russia in the 1920s does not count). 

In particular, this is due to the fact that the technologies of the 20th century were not able to ensure the smooth operation of the planned economy.  In the 21st century, the situation has changed.  Many modern technologies are able to ensure the functioning of a humanistic communist society. 

For example, DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organizations).  Imagine that all people on earth are members of the DAD "Communist Society".  This will make it possible to build a system for managing society and the opportunity for all people to directly participate in the management process.  The digitization of all socio-economic processes in society in the future makes it possible to build digital communism.  Its goal will not be to make a profit (as under capitalism), but to develop a roadmap for the development of Humanity. 

At the same time, the interests of specific individuals will be harmoniously combined with the goal of the survival of mankind as a species of living beings.

[DrBeer]

The verdict is in, and contrary to what socialists say, capitalism, with all its warts, is the preferred economic system to bring the masses out of poverty and to make them productive citizens in our country and in countries around the world. Remember this: Capitalism rewards merit, socialism rewards mediocrity. I mean, socialism talking about equality but it is just a beautiful lie , and capitalism is an ugly truth !

Capitalism is just human nature.

Ferrari make cars. Toyota make cars too. And yet, most people would prefer Ferrari to Toyota if they had the riches. Replace Ferrari with BMW and you'll get the same results.

There is a whole difference between living in an apartment flat and a mansion. According to socialism, they are both living. According to capitalism, apartment dude is not living which is pretty much true when you compare the apartment dude's life to the mansion guy.

Socialism makes people happy on paper but the reality is different. People don't want to get taxed. People don't want to pay for insurances. We are selfish and therefore capitalism suits us the best.

The first phrase was actually perfect, but then not at all

If you live in California on the coast, where there are classes and roads - the choice of a Ferrari is logical. If you are a farmer in the outback of Texas - sorry, but in a Ferrari you will look very stupid there You probably wanted to say a little about something else - about the constant craving of people for a higher standard of living, which capitalism can provide? It is a fact. But the implementation of socialism "in the format of the USSR" is a "leveling" where you will be fed with propaganda slogans, but you will walk in 2 models of shoes all your life, and have 3 models of shirts! And you will dream of "imported jeans and sneakers", which in "the most developed, fair and resource-rich country" for some reason cost 2 middle-class salaries!
Total:
- Capitalism makes it possible. No, it does not guarantee, it just gives the opportunity and very broad rights of choice (no, there is also no complete freedom, but there are more freedoms)
- socialism (in the implementation of the USSR) is a lie, and all life is limited and guaranteed a low standard of living. At the same time, "breaking to the top" is actually not feasible because of the class model of society. You are either a proletarian and a worker, or the elite of the Central Committee or the like. And these two layers never intersect. Believe me - I personally observed this in the USSR

[Gozie51]

Socialist economy is,government will treat all the people equal and give food to all.If they are contributing the government or not.

Yes socialist system is suppose to be that way and take care of the citizen but I don't think things are now the way we read them back in time in the economic text books. I believe that there are now changes to what it was then. Major example of socialist countries are China, Cuba, Lao, Vietnam and take the example of China in the economic narratives is becoming a capitalist country, so much involved in trade and business including development and this is not really what Karl Max described as a socialist type of country in his theory.