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April 30, 2022, 07:12:59 AM
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I had no idea about this AOPP. But, how does this imply to users who've bought it with cash? As I've said, there's no way I'll ever have a hardware wallet delivered to my house; especially if it requires me to, essentially, submit KYC-kind of details.
It makes no difference to how you buy the hardware wallet.

AOPP was designed to make it easier for users to prove to centralized exchanges the addresses they are withdrawing to are owned by them. It is essentially KYC but for your own addresses and your own wallet. By doing this, you essentially have to ask permission from the exchange to be allowed to withdraw your coins to your own wallet. And any time permission has to be asked it can be refused, and you can be censored. This is the exact opposite of what bitcoin stands for, namely self custody and censorship resistance. By implementing and supporting AOPP, then you are anti-privacy and pro-censorship as far as I am concerned. And BitBox don't just implement it - they developed it.

There is a good Twitter thread from Samourai about it here: https://nitter.net/SamouraiWallet/status/1486771410949357571

Thanks for that link, it helped me understand what AOPP is a little better.  What I don't understand is what it has to do with BitBox being a decent HW wallet or not.
It has no major implications for the security of a BitBox, but it certainly has big implications for your privacy, and it says a lot about the principles of the company. Just as I'm never going to use Wasabi again since they started coordinating with blockchain analysis even if the wallet itself still works fine, I'm never going to use a hardware wallet which is complicit in undermining the very principles of bitcoin.

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April 30, 2022, 09:28:35 AM
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and looking at all pages, none of those RPi is available

I went to https://www.gobrrr.me/ and I've seen that I can buy the full SeedSigner kit at 69 EUR + 11 EUR shipping to Romania with Austrian Post; I'd expect the price is not much different for Greece and it seems to be in stock.
I don't know the shop though, so I cannot vouch for it (although I like that they advertise they use BTCPay server and even seem offer a discount if paid by Bitcoin). I went there from SeedSigner website.

(Of course, with this we're back to PO Box story)

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Woo-hoo, look what I just found!  Cheesy
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/35488390/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-2W-Barebone-Cortex-A53-512-MB-RAM.html

Okay, so increased difficulty now: There's no Waveshare 1.3" 240x240. I've only found a Wareshare 240x135 which isn't sufficient. In Github, it says that the pixel count is important.

I've found a 240x240 (Adafruit Screen LCD 1.54" 240x240 with MicroSD (3787)), but it's not Waveshare and I wonder if it matters. What I'm also concerned is: Does it matter if I buy one with greater pixel count? For example, 320x240; there are so many.

This camera must be fine: https://grobotronics.com/raspberry-pi-zero-camera-module-160-variable-focus.html

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So, what's the problem: I live in Greece and no matter my continual search, the only hardware wallets that I can purchase from a store are two: Ledger and BitBox01. Which leaves me with BitBox01 as it's open-source and reputable.
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And, by the way, is there anyone who still uses BitBox01?
Wait, what, the BitBox01 is still being sold? Cheesy

Yes, it is open-source, yes, I tried it, yes, it's a fine device for the price and the build quality is better than the 02.

But I wouldn't recommend it in 2022. Due to the lack of a screen, you cannot verify the recipient's address, and that's quite the deal-breaker for me today. There was some sort of companion app (not sure if it still exists? ... that's why I don't like companion apps - they have an expiry date sooner or later) that can show you the recipient address, but I'm not sure that it's as secure and good as having a screen directly connected to the electronics.

I'd currently mostly recommend Passport and BitBox02; if you have a local vendor for the 01, he might more easily be able to procure you a 02 instead of a Passport that would also need to be imported from across the pond.

Otherwise, for ordering online, if you can get a PO box under a fake name, ordering the Passport v2 could be an option. You could even wait a few more weeks until I get mine and can provide a review of it first.

Something tells me that it's a bad idea. Perhaps I should forget about the hardware wallet as I'm left with no choice. Your thoughts.
Instead of going without HW, I'd rather build a SeedSigner from off-the-shelf components (can be ordered or bought in store) and remove the antenna.

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Thanks for that link, it helped me understand what AOPP is a little better.  What I don't understand is what it has to do with BitBox being a decent HW wallet or not.  Are they (or Shift Crypto) keeping records of who's purchased them or something?  Even if they are, that doesn't even sound like what the AOPP thing is all about.  I'm still a bit confused (but that's a normal state for me anyhow).
AOPP has no effect on the quality of the wallet. Shift is a Switzerland-based company and due to regulations they have no influence on, Swiss users (who seem to be their main customer base) need to sign a message with their receiving address when using a centralized exchange. Shift Crypto then brought forward the idea of AOPP to facilitate / automate the process so the users don't have to do the process manually.
I do get that it's a step of 'giving an inch' (and then they take a mile), but it has no influence on the wallet itself, as I said. Just good to know in case it's a moral issue for you to support a company who presumably aids in reducing users' privacy.

The information the wallet sends to the exchange is a signed message. This message can contain whatever details the exchange considers enough to fulfill their compliance obligations, but only data the exchange already knows, since it is the one who crafts the message.
Yes, it's just a legal thing, that without signing, you could e.g. provide someone else's address, but after the legal changes, since you sign, you really testify that that address is yours. Something like this.

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Well, the whole project is open-source, and it should be relatively easy to modify the code in a way that larger screens just have black bars on either side. I could have a crack at it if you really can't find something in Zero form-factor with the right pixel count. It would likely be a little back-and-forth in DM since I don't have the hardware on hand.

Actually, if you get pure displays, not as HAT, you will lose the buttons that are needed for it to function and it will also not all snap together as intended.
Here is the full documentation of the HAT: https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/1.3inch_LCD_HAT
Waveshare products are often found on Amazon and since it's off-the-shelf stuff, you don't need to use a PO box when ordering online.

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April 30, 2022, 08:40:02 PM
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I don't know the shop though, so I cannot vouch for it (although I like that they advertise they use BTCPay server and even seem offer a discount if paid by Bitcoin). I went there from SeedSigner website.
This gobrrr.me shop is legit and owner is actually active in bitcointalk forum so you can ask him any questions you have, but I think he is currently on vacation and orders could be with shipping delays currently.
Member GoBrrr.me even has ANN topic Gobrrrrrr created, I think he really has good prices for everything he is offering, and his other account AlpenCoin has a good trust in our community.

I've found a 240x240 (Adafruit Screen LCD 1.54" 240x240 with MicroSD (3787)), but it's not Waveshare and I wonder if it matters. What I'm also concerned is: Does it matter if I buy one with greater pixel count? For example, 320x240; there are so many.
It does matter what LCD screen you purchase, and its not only size and pixels but also cable connectors.
I would buy exact screen model and other parts they are saying, and don't experiment if you want everything to work.
If you want to be exactly sure, you can ask SeedSigner community, I think telegram group is very active:
https://seedsigner.com/get-in-touch/


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Small suggestion, I wouldn't order anything from China right now.

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Instead of going without HW, I'd rather build a SeedSigner from off-the-shelf components (can be ordered or bought in store) and remove the antenna.
I have no idea how to remove the antenna, but I guess following this tutorial won't make it so hard. This is what air-gap feels like. Confirm me that it isn't hard.  Cheesy

BTW, I'll order RPi Zero 2W.

Well, the whole project is open-source, and it should be relatively easy to modify the code in a way that larger screens just have black bars on either side. I could have a crack at it if you really can't find something in Zero form-factor with the right pixel count. It would likely be a little back-and-forth in DM since I don't have the hardware on hand.
Thanks a lot, but I'll just buy it from the internet. Isn't it the 1.3inch LCD HAT 240x240?

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Instead of going without HW, I'd rather build a SeedSigner from off-the-shelf components (can be ordered or bought in store) and remove the antenna.
I have no idea how to remove the antenna, but I guess following this tutorial won't make it so hard. This is what air-gap feels like. Confirm me that it isn't hard.  Cheesy

IMO it's not that hard. But if you don't have tool to remove the antenna by hardware, you could use follow the guide to disable it on User space and Kernel level instead. Since it's airgapped device, there's small security difference unless the thief have physical access to install malware and re-enable networking.


Source: https://github.com/DesobedienteTecnologico/rpi_disable_wifi_and_bt_by_hardware#new-scheme-with-examples-to-disable-wifi-and-bluetooth-from-different-layers

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