[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

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^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

Spence won't ever be considered the best if he doesn't fight Crawford.  This fight needs to go off for both fighters, otherwise there will always be an asterisk next to theor name and belts.  Imo Spence shoukd consider himself lucky if this fight doesn't come together.  He doesn't want any part of Crawford

Crawford and Spence need to move to another step which they need to fight in order to know who is the best in their division we all know that Crawford has a lot of matches than Spence in their career but still if a player has a strategy focus and plan then he will be te champ and that's Spence in my perspective he can defeat Crawford even he can not knock down Crawford at least via split decision is enough hoping that he win .

And that's what they are doing right now isn't it? Trying to negotiate or maybe it's really done by this day. Maybe the only issue is the venue, but I heard rumors that it will be in Las Vegas.

So if this fight came into reality, not sure who will be the favorite, maybe just a slight on favor on Crawford. So it's really up to Spence to show up in this fight and maybe motivated if he will indeed the underdog as he has better resume and opposition and has more belt in the table that could swing the 60-40 purse split on him.

Maybe it's the other way around because they certainly would not want their fight date to be near with the Canelo-GGG trilogy fight, so the date is really crucial for both parties and they wanted to make sure that the dates won't conflict with each other. About the place, yes, there's a rumor that the venue will be at Las Vegas where both of them is neutral.

I bet Crawford is the one who tries hard to negotiate the fight because he knows that his numbers are getting older while Spence is still on his peak, time is his enemy. 60/40 split is still a win-win situation for Crawford as he knows that Spence has more belt on the table and the latter can maximize the PPV revenue than him.

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[harizen]

So if this fight came into reality, not sure who will be the favorite, maybe just a slight on favor on Crawford. So it's really up to Spence to show up in this fight and maybe motivated if he will indeed the underdog as he has better resume and opposition and has more belt in the table that could swing the 60-40 purse split on him.

I think it's the other way around and Spence will be the slight favorite. But odds shouldn't that gap.

We still don't know the reason why the fight is still not officially announced but based on some article lurking around, we can assume that it's about the possible split. I don't know but if it's true that Crawford doesn't like the 60-40, I think he's not the Crawford before that eyes for long in facing Spence. I think regardless of the split, of course as long as it's reasonable, he will take the much smaller cut just to settle things with Spence.

After all, if he managed to successfully beat Spence, he will become the undisputed Welterweight champion and can demand a much higher cut in his future fight. And knowing Spence, he can bring more PPV to the fight and is known to always have a sold-out ticket in his every fight. That alone is a reason why 40% is still good money in return for Crawford.

[Kemarit]

So if this fight came into reality, not sure who will be the favorite, maybe just a slight on favor on Crawford. So it's really up to Spence to show up in this fight and maybe motivated if he will indeed the underdog as he has better resume and opposition and has more belt in the table that could swing the 60-40 purse split on him.

I think it's the other way around and Spence will be the slight favorite. But odds shouldn't that gap.

Yes, maybe just a couple, give or take, but it will not be further by maybe .10 or something. I reckon it could be like 1.8x to 1.9x as the opening line. We will just have to wait and see who is the favorite.

We still don't know the reason why the fight is still not officially announced but based on some article lurking around, we can assume that it's about the possible split. I don't know but if it's true that Crawford doesn't like the 60-40, I think he's not the Crawford before that eyes for long in facing Spence. I think regardless of the split, of course as long as it's reasonable, he will take the much smaller cut just to settle things with Spence.

Years, ago when Crawford is still with Arum, there are articles that says Spence is calling for 80/20 or 70/30. But in the last year or two, I think Crawford has close that gap, with his win against Porter.

After all, if he managed to successfully beat Spence, he will become the undisputed Welterweight champion and can demand a much higher cut in his future fight. And knowing Spence, he can bring more PPV to the fight and is known to always have a sold-out ticket in his every fight. That alone is a reason why 40% is still good money in return for Crawford.

Crawford can like it that way, if he beat Spence he will have all the belts. And as we call it, become the A-side in negotiations. If they will have the rematch, then it will be the opposite, he can demand a 60 or higher split and Spence will have to say yes as he doesn't have the bargaining power in the table.

[Distinctin]

So if this fight came into reality, not sure who will be the favorite, maybe just a slight on favor on Crawford. So it's really up to Spence to show up in this fight and maybe motivated if he will indeed the underdog as he has better resume and opposition and has more belt in the table that could swing the 60-40 purse split on him.

I think it's the other way around and Spence will be the slight favorite. But odds shouldn't that gap.

We still don't know the reason why the fight is still not officially announced but based on some article lurking around, we can assume that it's about the possible split. I don't know but if it's true that Crawford doesn't like the 60-40, I think he's not the Crawford before that eyes for long in facing Spence. I think regardless of the split, of course as long as it's reasonable, he will take the much smaller cut just to settle things with Spence.

After all, if he managed to successfully beat Spence, he will become the undisputed Welterweight champion and can demand a much higher cut in his future fight. And knowing Spence, he can bring more PPV to the fight and is known to always have a sold-out ticket in his every fight. That alone is a reason why 40% is still good money in return for Crawford.

Same here, I think Spence will be the slight favorite over Crawford but that will be confirmed soon enough like a few weeks after they announce the final details regarding the fight.

Regarding their split, that's shocking if indeed that's true and that Crawford is asking a fair share of the purse and not a 60/40 split. He should go with that split to make the fight happen as he needs Spence more than the other way around, if this fight won't materialize this year then he might find himself at a disadvantage as he will be older as time goes by.

[Russlenat]

After all, if he managed to successfully beat Spence, he will become the undisputed Welterweight champion and can demand a much higher cut in his future fight. And knowing Spence, he can bring more PPV to the fight and is known to always have a sold-out ticket in his every fight. That alone is a reason why 40% is still good money in return for Crawford.

Crawford can like it that way, if he beat Spence he will have all the belts. And as we call it, become the A-side in negotiations. If they will have the rematch, then it will be the opposite, he can demand a 60 or higher split and Spence will have to say yes as he doesn't have the bargaining power in the table.

For now, Crawford should just be patient on his current situation as he's not the one who puts the most food on the table. His only contribution is his WBO belt which Spence also needed to become the undisputed boxer in welterweight. But I think they are already done with that kind of discussion as Spence was already vocal that he's taking the bigger slice and the fact that they're having a discussion now means that they way past about that, the question is, what's their remaining agenda?

[Baofeng]

After all, if he managed to successfully beat Spence, he will become the undisputed Welterweight champion and can demand a much higher cut in his future fight. And knowing Spence, he can bring more PPV to the fight and is known to always have a sold-out ticket in his every fight. That alone is a reason why 40% is still good money in return for Crawford.

Crawford can like it that way, if he beat Spence he will have all the belts. And as we call it, become the A-side in negotiations. If they will have the rematch, then it will be the opposite, he can demand a 60 or higher split and Spence will have to say yes as he doesn't have the bargaining power in the table.

For now, Crawford should just be patient on his current situation as he's not the one who puts the most food on the table. His only contribution is his WBO belt which Spence also needed to become the undisputed boxer in welterweight. But I think they are already done with that kind of discussion as Spence was already vocal that he's taking the bigger slice and the fact that they're having a discussion now means that they way past about that, the question is, what's their remaining agenda?

I think that's what he is doing right now, he is trying to be patient in this negotiations. And still good for him if he get the short end of the bargaining deal. 40% is not that bad as he might get 80-20 split max in his previous fight with Bob Arum as promotional manager and yet not getting it full because we all know that Top Rank will also have some percentage. So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

[harizen]

So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

[TravelMug]

So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

That's huge money for just one fight, and for sure Crawford can't refused that offer. It's guarantee and I think the PPV income is not yet included so it could really go up.

Fans are excited about this fight and hopefully we can hear some updates in the next couple of weeks or even an official statement if October will be their target fight.

[Maslate]

So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

No doubt, Crawford will really earn good and receive a pretty handful paycheck whether he's the hailed winner or loser in this fight because the Crawford-Spence undisputed fight will surely be the biggest match of the year. Actually, he doesn't even need to try and sell the fight because Spence already got that covered for sure as the PPV King.

And yes, you're right that Pacquiao offered Crawford a guaranteed $10 Million if the fight will materialize but Bob Arum didn't approve the offer knowing that Bob always wanted wanted more and a $10M ain't making Bob interested.

[Distinctin]

So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

That's huge money for just one fight, and for sure Crawford can't refused that offer. It's guarantee and I think the PPV income is not yet included so it could really go up.

Fans are excited about this fight and hopefully we can hear some updates in the next couple of weeks or even an official statement if October will be their target fight.

Exactly, that's why Crawford should accept that 40% cut of the purse because that's already big enough for him and just like @harizen is saying, maybe he can get more than Spence because Crawford is a free-agent. Also, a 40% guaranteed cut in the purse is not the only thing he'll get as the PPV revenue is not yet included.

[btc_angela]

So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

That's huge money for just one fight, and for sure Crawford can't refused that offer. It's guarantee and I think the PPV income is not yet included so it could really go up.

There's no surprised there, both are in their prime and no losses yet, so someone will have to take that 0 away. And currently, it's going to be a tossed up, but there are few who thinks that Crawford will be the slight favorite so he should take the 40%.

Fans are excited about this fight and hopefully we can hear some updates in the next couple of weeks or even an official statement if October will be their target fight.

Yes, we are all very excited, undisputed and for pound for pound king whoever wins this fight. If October is their target date, ample date for them to negotiation and iron things out before announcing it to the public.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Even though we haven't heard any 'official announcement' yet, might be just sometime now as they might have been ironing out few things before going out in public.

And as mentioned, maybe the date and venue is one obstacles that they have to settled. The network will have to come out as the best place for this fight is, and then the date itself.. I think money wise and split, verbally they could have talk it down already. And we are going to be privilege to witnessed another great fight if this happens this year.

I agree with you. I even think this fight is now almost a deal but just a few things are being properly fixed before the official announcement.

In the first place, there's no other boxer that both Terence Crawford and Errol Spence should fight but between the two of them. Even the majority of boxing analysts and known personalities are throwing their respective opinion that the fight should happen no matter what.

This is a fight that has no excuses or reason to delay or what. We will surely see this fight happening this year. There's no doubt about that. Maybe they are not planning to hold it close to the date of one of the biggest fights also this year, the trilogy between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin.

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

[Baofeng]

Even though we haven't heard any 'official announcement' yet, might be just sometime now as they might have been ironing out few things before going out in public.

And as mentioned, maybe the date and venue is one obstacles that they have to settled. The network will have to come out as the best place for this fight is, and then the date itself.. I think money wise and split, verbally they could have talk it down already. And we are going to be privilege to witnessed another great fight if this happens this year.

I agree with you. I even think this fight is now almost a deal but just a few things are being properly fixed before the official announcement.

In the first place, there's no other boxer that both Terence Crawford and Errol Spence should fight but between the two of them. Even the majority of boxing analysts and known personalities are throwing their respective opinion that the fight should happen no matter what.

This is a fight that has no excuses or reason to delay or what. We will surely see this fight happening this year. There's no doubt about that. Maybe they are not planning to hold it close to the date of one of the biggest fights also this year, the trilogy between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin.

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

Well you can put it that way, these boxers wanted to maximize their profits. Others might see a good and long career, but you can't discount the fact that they do suffer from worst injuries even outside the ring (just Spence accident). So they do look for the biggest payout they can make every fight.

But then there's this ego and macho mentally, they wanted to proved who is the best in their division and who will have the bragging rights in the end of their career, and they can talk about their legacy as well. Beating the best and coming out on top.

[freedomgo]

Even though we haven't heard any 'official announcement' yet, might be just sometime now as they might have been ironing out few things before going out in public.

And as mentioned, maybe the date and venue is one obstacles that they have to settled. The network will have to come out as the best place for this fight is, and then the date itself.. I think money wise and split, verbally they could have talk it down already. And we are going to be privilege to witnessed another great fight if this happens this year.

I agree with you. I even think this fight is now almost a deal but just a few things are being properly fixed before the official announcement.

In the first place, there's no other boxer that both Terence Crawford and Errol Spence should fight but between the two of them. Even the majority of boxing analysts and known personalities are throwing their respective opinion that the fight should happen no matter what.

This is a fight that has no excuses or reason to delay or what. We will surely see this fight happening this year. There's no doubt about that. Maybe they are not planning to hold it close to the date of one of the biggest fights also this year, the trilogy between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin.

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

Well you can put it that way, these boxers wanted to maximize their profits. Others might see a good and long career, but you can't discount the fact that they do suffer from worst injuries even outside the ring (just Spence accident). So they do look for the biggest payout they can make every fight.

But then there's this ego and macho mentally, they wanted to proved who is the best in their division and who will have the bragging rights in the end of their career, and they can talk about their legacy as well. Beating the best and coming out on top.

Both can be attained if this fight will really materialize this October in this year, one of them will end up the undisputed boxer in welterweight division while both of them can attain big pockets on the same night the fight happens especially for Terence Crawford. He may only have 40% (speculated purse cut) slice of the cake but that will be his biggest paycheck in his whole career and he might get bigger earning that Spence. We know that there's some updates going on regarding the fight and there's this article that the fight is near to be announced as they are settling the final details but this will be remain as a speculation until they will announce it, well I sure do hope that day will come.

[goinmerry]

He may only have 40% (speculated purse cut) slice of the cake but that will be his biggest paycheck in his whole career and he might get bigger earning that Spence.

Crawford might get bigger earnings than Spence on this fight even with a 40% split? How can this possibly happen? Spence is considered the PPV King and almost all his fights are sold-out. That's the reason why he should take 60% of the total purse.

I agree though that even with a 40%, it might be Crawford's biggest paycheck in his boxing history. Fighting against Spence is the biggest fight of his career right now. If he won against Spence, expect more big names that he will face from now on making his paycheck grows.

But Spence is dangerous, he will never allow Crawford to just go wherever he wants. As for now, I'm still in favor of Spence winning the match.

[btc_angela]

He may only have 40% (speculated purse cut) slice of the cake but that will be his biggest paycheck in his whole career and he might get bigger earning that Spence.

Crawford might get bigger earnings than Spence on this fight even with a 40% split? How can this possibly happen? Spence is considered the PPV King and almost all his fights are sold-out. That's the reason why he should take 60% of the total purse.

Spence will not give an inch in this negotiation, I think his ego is too big to get the smaller cut even in PPV numbers. He will insists that he is the main draw.

But Spence is dangerous, he will never allow Crawford to just go wherever he wants. As for now, I'm still in favor of Spence winning the match.

Yes, because he is manage by PBC and knows all the tricks in the book to have the advantage in negotiations. So not sure how Crawford will deal this, maybe get someone to look at the contract first before signing. Someone that knows contracts very well.

[freedomgo]

He may only have 40% (speculated purse cut) slice of the cake but that will be his biggest paycheck in his whole career and he might get bigger earning that Spence.

Crawford might get bigger earnings than Spence on this fight even with a 40% split? How can this possibly happen? Spence is considered the PPV King and almost all his fights are sold-out. That's the reason why he should take 60% of the total purse.

I agree though that even with a 40%, it might be Crawford's biggest paycheck in his boxing history. Fighting against Spence is the biggest fight of his career right now. If he won against Spence, expect more big names that he will face from now on making his paycheck grows.

But Spence is dangerous, he will never allow Crawford to just go wherever he wants. As for now, I'm still in favor of Spence winning the match.

I'm saying Crawford might get more earning in his pockets but that's still ain't sure as we don't know the negotiations behind the curtains but the way I see it, that certain 40% will be much bigger because he's flying solo while Spence have PBC whom he will shares his 60% cut and about the PPV, that's shared so of course this anticipated undisputed fight will be Crawford's biggest paycheck in his whole career.

Just another speculation though and I'm not arguing about Spence should or shouldn't have that 60% cut because that's already clear enough for us as why he should have the bigger slice.

[Pamadar]

Even though we haven't heard any 'official announcement' yet, might be just sometime now as they might have been ironing out few things before going out in public.

And as mentioned, maybe the date and venue is one obstacles that they have to settled. The network will have to come out as the best place for this fight is, and then the date itself.. I think money wise and split, verbally they could have talk it down already. And we are going to be privilege to witnessed another great fight if this happens this year.

I agree with you. I even think this fight is now almost a deal but just a few things are being properly fixed before the official announcement.

In the first place, there's no other boxer that both Terence Crawford and Errol Spence should fight but between the two of them. Even the majority of boxing analysts and known personalities are throwing their respective opinion that the fight should happen no matter what.

This is a fight that has no excuses or reason to delay or what. We will surely see this fight happening this year. There's no doubt about that. Maybe they are not planning to hold it close to the date of one of the biggest fights also this year, the trilogy between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin.

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

Boxing world is full of billionaires, they are doing things according to how the money will flow,

it's not a secret anymore and with how they handled the fight, it surely generates millions to billions of dollars. An easy way
to bring huge amount of paychecks after the fight.

Whoever it is, the chance that promoters will bring a huge noise is always there. They will continue to make sure that
fans and gamblers will support and throw a good amount of money on the table.

[chaser15]

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing,

I have to disagree with this. Terence Crawford is looking forward to fighting Spence for too long and now it happened. On the other hand, Errol Spence holds lots of titles, and the only title he needs to snatch to unify the welterweight division is the one on Crawford.

Obviously and of course, money plays a big factor here but a unification match is necessary between boxers with hold titles.

I can't believe you conclude already that these boxers don't have a pure interest in boxing that's why they will face each other.

[wheelz1200]

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing,

I have to disagree with this. Terence Crawford is looking forward to fighting Spence for too long and now it happened. On the other hand, Errol Spence holds lots of titles, and the only title he needs to snatch to unify the welterweight division is the one on Crawford.

Obviously and of course, money plays a big factor here but a unification match is necessary between boxers with hold titles.

I can't believe you conclude already that these boxers don't have a pure interest in boxing that's why they will face each other.

Agreed.  I have watched Crawford through his entire career from the beginning. This kids a dog, he just likes to box.  He don't care who it's against.  Obviously money is important but he isn't driven by money like say a Mayweather was.  He just hates getting disrespected.