Delete this please

[KitKatZ]

Very new to Bitcoin community. I joined the conversation on the CK pool thread. To start the process of learning bitcoin mining through CK pool solo mining. I asked Con Kolivas many questioned in the spirit of understanding and knowledge. Not only was none of my questions answered. One of my post was deleted by Con Kolivas. Very strange right?  

A harmless little question. So I dug deeper. Found out that CK pool is  NOT in fact open source like it claims to be.  Don’t trust but verify right? A bunch of people are trusting Con Kolivas with their hardware and electricity but does anyone know for sure what is actual happening to your hash power.  Not sure what I did to upset Con Kolivas . Not the person I imagined he would be though. I imagined a helpful seasoned mentor .Even someone nice enough to answer a little questions from a new forum member here.

I did not join this community for this or Drama but here we are…

sources from


https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool/src/master/



has NO mention of 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ address  in the source

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ

This address has transacted 310 times on the Bitcoin blockchain. It has received a total of 48.67186482 BTC ($1,518,397.18) and has sent a total of 45.08555548 BTC ($1,406,516.49). The current value of this address is 3.58630934 BTC ($111,880.69).



Scary when you think about it. Who really gets the 6.25 BTC from this pool? One deflected question and deleted comment brings up a bunch more right?

Does anyone have proof of a real person who has gotten the Rewards from CK pool?

UPDATE 5/28/22
forum admins please delete this topic. My lack of knowledge led me to create this thread . Now that i have learned more .CKpool is in fact 100% open source. Public apology to Con Kolivas for the insinuation. A little communication would have been nice.

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[nullama]

Hi KitKatZ, you're new here. It's usually a good idea to read more and post less when you're new.

It seems like you're not doing your research properly because your question is extremely easy to answer.

Sledge0001 recently found a block solo mining with ckpool.

Have a look at his post and see how grateful he is to the other members of this forum that made the things he is using:

I really want to thank everyone on the forum for their support and guidance.
Particularly thank you to the following:

-CK <-- Your pool has changed my world and wallet balance forever.
Kano <-- Your software and guidance was invaluable.
SideHack <-- You evil genius your hardware although small was extremely effective.
Willi9974 <-- I used the funds won from one of your block parties to buy the hardware
419Mining.com <-- Seller of the Compac F's 
AsicPuppy.com  <-- Seller of the Compac F's

Note that you're accusing one of the most trusted users here, the author of cgminer and ckpool. There has been multiple companies over the years copying cgminer and close sourcing it. Your post in the ckpool thread looks like a similar thing, wanting to copy the code to remove the pool fee or make your own clone, etc. It's open source, you can copy it, but the ckpool thread is not the place to discuss that, as I'm sure you'll understand why. That's the reason why your post was deleted, not the conspiracy theory that you're trying to create in this post.

If anything, this thread you made is a disrespect to Con Kolivas.

[willi9974]

calm down a little and keep the ball flat please!

read first make yourself smart and then blame and not the other way around

I have been organizing block party runs on the solo pool for years and we have found a lot of blocks.

Here are the last two blocks we found.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5373661.0
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5363227.0

If you oben the block, you can see the Block came from coinbase also direct from the BTC blockchain.


Best regards,
Willi

[Biffa]

OP: maybe you should check the last post of the ckpool development thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=790323.msg52087086#msg52087086

It should provide clarity for you.

[Sledge0001]

Yeah KitKatZ I am encouraged by your enthusiasm but recommend you step cautiously as there are many people willing to share their time and knowledge with you if your open to it.

Now... I am extremely lucky and can confirm that CK and his solo pool mining site work exactly as he claims and based on my wallet balance I believe whole heartily that he's 100% legit.

I woke up with 6.426845 BTC in my wallet after hitting a block on CK's solo pool mining with USB sticks. It's 1 million percent not a scam as I was able to show that I submitted a share above the difficulty further showing that it was in fact real. Real luck no doubt but make no mistake its real.

You'd be much better served asking CK for his help in a private message.

  

[KitKatZ]

Glad everyone is so trusting . Further exploration down the rabbit hole has led me to many examples of HASHRATE theft . It is very easy to do if a pools source code is half open and rest closed source.  A very clear cut example of a way hashrate theft happens is right here. 

https://github.com/ctubio/php-proxy-stratum



Solo mining is a gamble . To what degree are gambling is the only question . Gambling on the outstanding odds of hitting a solo block and possibly getting your hashrate stolen? We should only be gambling with one variable….The bitcoin variable. Trust all you want but do you really trust human being with $187,873.125 . I do not care who you are or how long you have been around. 187,873 reasons is way to many for a person to choose self over another person.

  If CK pool was so honest why is there no tutorials on how to replicate the pool. Why is there only 2 pools running their software?  So many unanswered questions.  The nature of open source and sharing is what this Bitcoin was founded on. Seems like some of the oldest members here do not subscribe to the ethos of bitcoin.  If I was able to replicate ck pool and see the full scope of how it works . Sure  I would retract my suspicions . Right now any open source developer that deletes basic questions on how their code works is highly suspicious. From the example from link and screen shot look in red. is Kano not the second developer of Ck pool? These coincidence are a little strange right.  The developer ctubio is trying to tell us something here.... I hope this community is not so blinded by the legendary badging of some members of this forum to thinking they are some sort of saint and void of being dishonest

[nullama]

You're now also accusing Kano?

Anyway, you're using the wrong repo if you want to copy ckpool solo. The code is here:

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool-solo/src/master

Good luck on your pool.

[KitKatZ]

You're now also accusing Kano?

Anyway, you're using the wrong repo if you want to copy ckpool solo. The code is here:

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool-solo/src/master

Good luck on your pool.

Not making any accusations . Simply pointing out some strange things that may or may not be. Correlations that fit a narrative to some sneaky suspicions. Could this all be paranoia ? Sure. Could this be a fact? Who really knows.

Thing about negative connotation is. Once the vibe is in place by a couple things that took place you start to make these negative connections.  Came to this community with hope and excitement. Never imagined in my first couple days to feel so suspicious  about something.


no mention of the  1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ 2% development address to Con Kolivas is mentioned any place in the source. These means it is NOT open source . Code and logic seem to be missing that handles the 2% payout. 

Go ahead try and find this 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ address in the source  https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool-solo/src/master

[DaveF]

The code does not send money to the address solo.ckpool.org will take 2% of all found blocks.
You can run the software without donating the funds.
If you go to solo.ckpool.org it says right there on the page 2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ

As for stealing hash rate this has been discussed since the beginning of pools. It is trivial for them to do.
You either trust the pool operators or you don't.

-Dave

[KitKatZ]

The code does not send money to the address solo.ckpool.org will take 2% of all found blocks.
You can run the software without donating the funds.
If you go to solo.ckpool.org it says right there on the page 2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ

As for stealing hash rate this has been discussed since the beginning of pools. It is trivial for them to do.
You either trust the pool operators or you don't.

-Dave

Your not understanding my point nowhere in the source code of CK pool is the logic that allocates the  2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ .

Look for yourself . You wont find this address anywhere in the CK pool source code. Nor the logic that math's out the 2% allocation.  Do you understand the concern here.

[nullama]

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Your not understanding my point nowhere in the source code of CK pool is the logic that allocates the  2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ .

Look for yourself . You wont find this address anywhere in the CK pool source code. Nor the logic that math's out the 2% allocation.  Do you understand the concern here.

I went and looked for myself in the source code. Everything seems perfectly fine.

The pool address and the percentage allocated are parameters that the pool operator can change locally. You won't necessarily see those things in the source code. They are, however, clearly stated in the website:

2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ to operate the pool and contribute to further ckpool code maintenance.

Now, if you look at the files stratifier.c and ckpool.c you will find the definition of the default pool address and the default donation percentage, along with all the logic that deals with the donation percentage when a block is found. It's all there and it all makes perfect sense.

In the service that Con Kolivas is providing using this source code, ckpool solo, these 2 parameters are defined locally as 2% and 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ as you can see in the website. This is exactly what happens when a new block is found by the pool, 2% goes to ckpool-solo address and the rest goes to the miner's address. You can see for yourself at any of the latest blocks found by the pool.

I don't see any concern whatsoever.

[KitKatZ]

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Your not understanding my point nowhere in the source code of CK pool is the logic that allocates the  2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ .

Look for yourself . You wont find this address anywhere in the CK pool source code. Nor the logic that math's out the 2% allocation.  Do you understand the concern here.

I went and looked for myself in the source code. Everything seems perfectly fine.

The pool address and the percentage allocated are parameters that the pool operator can change locally. You won't necessarily see those things in the source code. They are, however, clearly stated in the website:

2% goes to 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ to operate the pool and contribute to further ckpool code maintenance.

Now, if you look at the files stratifier.c and ckpool.c you will find the definition of the default pool address and the default donation percentage, along with all the logic that deals with the donation percentage when a block is found. It's all there and it all makes perfect sense.

In the service that Con Kolivas is providing using this source code, ckpool solo, these 2 parameters are defined locally as 2% and 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ as you can see in the website. This is exactly what happens when a new block is found by the pool, 2% goes to ckpool-solo address and the rest goes to the miner's address. You can see for yourself at any of the latest blocks found by the pool.

I don't see any concern whatsoever.

So your saying this 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ address wont be in the source cause it is set by Con Kolivas  in the config files. The solo block in mined then Con Kolivas  sends the majority of the block reward to the actual finder then keeps the 2% . Ck pool code does not send the 2% but a person does right? Just cannot find the place in the code that automated this 2% like the 0.5% to development fund address.

[Biffa]

Have you read through the thread about ckpool (the software, not the pool)

I think its on the first or second page where -ck says "Code to perform payments is not anywhere in the included code."

So the payment processing needs to be done manually as far as I can see.

[DaveF]

Have you read through the thread about ckpool (the software, not the pool)

I think its on the first or second page where -ck says "Code to perform payments is not anywhere in the included code."

So the payment processing needs to be done manually as far as I can see.

1st Page:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=790323.msg9088893#msg9088893

Reading that thread brought back some memories.
Remember when -CK & Kano were still friends.
When you with a reasonable amount of hardware might actually turn a profit.
Ah, the good old days.

-Dave

[nullama]

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So your saying this 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ address wont be in the source cause it is set by Con Kolivas  in the config files. The solo block in mined then Con Kolivas  sends the majority of the block reward to the actual finder then keeps the 2% . Ck pool code does not send the 2% but a person does right? Just cannot find the place in the code that automated this 2% like the 0.5% to development fund address.

It's all automated, done at generation time when you find a block. There's no manual transfer whatsoever.

ckpool solo generates a coinbase transaction with a two address split. So when a block is found, the rewards are sent to two addresses instead of just one. With the current fee that means the miner address gets 98% and the pool address gets 2%. Here's Con Kolivas explaining this in 2014 when the fee was 0.5%:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=763510.msg8609145#msg8609145


Here you can see the linked transaction of the block found in 2014 through ckpool solo. Note that the miner address got 99.5% of the rewards and the pool address got 0.5%:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/256afa96fd5566daf735b0b3d80f6eb21c0e6f4637e54274a690427ebeedfead


Here you can see all the blocks mined by ckpool solo: https://mempool.space/mining/pool/SoloCK

If you look at the last one, which was mined about 3 weeks ago, you'll see exactly the same pattern, but now with a 2% fee:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/8cd9a7372289719998e722e256301481107ccbeb3fea33f9018fe040941716c8



So the miner's address receives 98% of the rewards, and the 2% goes to the pool.

You can see this in the source code itself as I mentioned before:

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool-solo/src/master/src/stratifier.c#lines-623


 

[KitKatZ]

~snip~

So your saying this 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ address wont be in the source cause it is set by Con Kolivas  in the config files. The solo block in mined then Con Kolivas  sends the majority of the block reward to the actual finder then keeps the 2% . Ck pool code does not send the 2% but a person does right? Just cannot find the place in the code that automated this 2% like the 0.5% to development fund address.

It's all automated, done at generation time when you find a block. There's no manual transfer whatsoever.

ckpool solo generates a coinbase transaction with a two address split. So when a block is found, the rewards are sent to two addresses instead of just one. With the current fee that means the miner address gets 98% and the pool address gets 2%. Here's Con Kolivas explaining this in 2014 when the fee was 0.5%:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=763510.msg8609145#msg8609145


Here you can see the linked transaction of the block found in 2014 through ckpool solo. Note that the miner address got 99.5% of the rewards and the pool address got 0.5%:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/256afa96fd5566daf735b0b3d80f6eb21c0e6f4637e54274a690427ebeedfead


Here you can see all the blocks mined by ckpool solo: https://mempool.space/mining/pool/SoloCK

If you look at the last one, which was mined about 3 weeks ago, you'll see exactly the same pattern, but now with a 2% fee:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/8cd9a7372289719998e722e256301481107ccbeb3fea33f9018fe040941716c8



So the miner's address receives 98% of the rewards, and the 2% goes to the pool.

You can see this in the source code itself as I mentioned before:

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool-solo/src/master/src/stratifier.c#lines-623


 

I get what your saying but this is already known information. Not one person can show me the 2% allocation example in the source code. If you can see by my first post . I found the 0.5% allocation in the codebase on day 1. I have never bee confused about that. The 2% allocation directly in to  Con Kolivas at 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ  is NOWHERE in the source code. See we are right back at the start of this. Not one person can point out the logic and lines of code that represent the 2% allocation of a solved block from CK pool. We are going back and forth with information already known.  Please if you can point out the code example in the source code of CK pool that sends the 2% to Con Kolivas to this  1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ . You simply cannot cause it is NOT there. I have combed through it a dozen times.It is just not there

[nullama]

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I get what your saying but this is already known information. Not one person can show me the 2% allocation example in the source code. If you can see by my first post . I found the 0.5% allocation in the codebase on day 1. I have never bee confused about that. The 2% allocation directly in to  Con Kolivas at 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ  is NOWHERE in the source code. See we are right back at the start of this. Not one person can point out the logic and lines of code that represent the 2% allocation of a solved block from CK pool. We are going back and forth with information already known.  Please if you can point out the code example in the source code of CK pool that sends the 2% to Con Kolivas to this  1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ . You simply cannot cause it is NOT there. I have combed through it a dozen times.It is just not there

I explained it as clearly as I could in the last post. Not sure what you're not understanding.

The new pool address(instead of the default one in the code) and the 2%(instead of the old 0.5% seen in the code) are written/updated locally by the pool operator, so you won't see it in the published source code. Think of this as settings, not source code.

The new address and new fee that ckpool solo is using are clearly published in the pool website, and you can see it in the new blocks found by the pool as I showed you in the last post. The logic itself hasn't changed, that's still all clearly visible in the source code.

[willi9974]

nice and slowly I can only say. please don't feed the troll.
@KitKatZ, WhatsApp up with you.
CK and the solo pool has 100% our trust, that is no question, and do not waste our time please.

@all other, do not feed the troll 

[KitKatZ]

nice and slowly I can only say. please don't feed the troll.
@KitKatZ, WhatsApp up with you.
CK and the solo pool has 100% our trust, that is no question, and do not waste our time please.

@all other, do not feed the troll  

I am a troll for asking simple questions in search of knowledge and understanding ? Nice. Thanks . All this could have been avoided if my post was not deleted by Con Kolivas in the CK pool thread. He answers many no brainer type questions in the CK pool thread but could not take the 5 seconds to reply to my very simple question. Classic case of lack of communication led us here. Do not try to gas light me with this. The error was not mine here. People come to this forum for communication, knowledge and understanding. If developers fails to communicate to simple queries. We end up in this situation. Deleting questions from main threads do not make the longing for the answer to disappear. Just brings the question to another thread with a little added negative overtones from someone being frustrated.

[KitKatZ]

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I get what your saying but this is already known information. Not one person can show me the 2% allocation example in the source code. If you can see by my first post . I found the 0.5% allocation in the codebase on day 1. I have never bee confused about that. The 2% allocation directly in to  Con Kolivas at 1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ  is NOWHERE in the source code. See we are right back at the start of this. Not one person can point out the logic and lines of code that represent the 2% allocation of a solved block from CK pool. We are going back and forth with information already known.  Please if you can point out the code example in the source code of CK pool that sends the 2% to Con Kolivas to this  1PKN98VN2z5gwSGZvGKS2bj8aADZBkyhkZ . You simply cannot cause it is NOT there. I have combed through it a dozen times.It is just not there

I explained it as clearly as I could in the last post. Not sure what you're not understanding.

The new pool address(instead of the default one in the code) and the 2%(instead of the old 0.5% seen in the code) are written/updated locally by the pool operator, so you won't see it in the published source code. Think of this as settings, not source code.

The new address and new fee that ckpool solo is using are clearly published in the pool website, and you can see it in the new blocks found by the pool as I showed you in the last post. The logic itself hasn't changed, that's still all clearly visible in the source code.

Thank you very much for answering my questions. I understand completely now. I know this was not your issue to tackle but you did and i thank you so very much for it. Sorry if i came off aggressive or mean. Being frustrated is a tough emotion for me and something i am working on.