Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..

[gweb1996]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

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[tardezyx]

Because Russians are not Americans.

Casualties:
- Russia in Ukraine: ~ 2300
- USA in Iraq: the numbers range from 151,000 to over 1,000,000

Enough said.

[Fortify]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

Russia has used it's full force against Ukraine, it is just completely incompetent and showed how its military is definitely not superpower status. The Russian air force only had success in places like Syria because they were fighting rebels, stuck in a civil war without an organized government. Russia has shown they are no match for even a semi competent military and that truly is pathetic. The military in Russia was run by corruption, just like every other part of the country, and they never thought that one day they might actually have to utilize the equipment where they skimmed that money. It is crazy how badly trained they are and there is a distinct lack of communication even between troops 20 meters apart.

Did you miss the part where they landed paratroops next to Kiev and had to retreat because they cannot control the air space? You seem oblivious to so much.

[mk4]

Think about it — if they used full force in their offense, what if some other powerhouse country would go offensive on them? Their defense would probably lack.

But who knows, really. I'm pretty sure neither of us here really know what we're talking about when it comes to proper troop/asset allocations when it comes to war lol.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Because Russians are not Americans.

Normally I wouldn't even waste time defending the US against a statement like that, but give me a break.  Throughout its history, Russian leaders have been notorious in terms of their ruthlessness.  Do you have anything you want to compare to Stalin's reign?  So the American in me says you can find some other gripe to insert in a thread about the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

And OP, I haven't been following the situation too closely as of late but I was kind of wondering the same thing as well.  I would have thought that if the Russian resolve to conquer Ukraine was great enough, they would have employed blitzkreig tactics instead of whatever it is they're doing.  They've got nuclear capability, FFS, so I don't think I'd be faulted for assuming that any country would rather surrender and not fight than risk something truly terrifying and devastating happening.

I'd be very interested to hear others' opinions on this, too.

[Ozero]

It cannot be said that Russia does not use all its power in Ukraine. On February 24, eight Russian armies invaded Ukraine from three sides of its borders. The number of invading occupiers is roughly estimated at 190,000. Moreover, they all invaded on the corresponding military armored vehicles. The large length of the borders of Ukraine, which was attacked, did not allow a good rebuff to the enemy from Ukraine right at its borders, especially since the number of Russian troops and equipment many times exceeded the Armed Forces of Ukraine and if they began to defend themselves at the borders, they would be defeated . Therefore, the Russians were allowed inside the country and began to be beaten in small mobile groups. As we moved towards Kyiv, resistance increased until the large columns, sometimes tens of color meters long, stopped completely. The Ukrainians skillfully used the landscape, setting up various ambushes and blowing up bridges in the way of the aggressor. The Russians were not ready for such a war. Near Kyiv, the Russians were finally stopped and methodically destroyed so that the Kremlin soon realized that they could completely lose the invading forces. Therefore, it was decided to withdraw the rather battered parts of Russian troops from the northern part of Ukraine and concentrate only in the east and south. Kyiv and the main cities in the center and in the northern part of Ukraine were not captured by Russian soldiers.

Now, after the failure of the first stage of the war by Russia in Ukraine, the second stage is also ending without tangible results for Russia, in which Russia tried to completely capture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its southern regions, as well as encircle and destroy the main army of Ukraine.

As of yesterday, Russia lost in Ukraine 26,900 soldiers killed, about 70,000 wounded, 1,205 tanks, 2,900 armored vehicles, 200 aircraft, 162 helicopters, 542 artillery systems, 193 multiple launch rocket systems, 88 air defense systems, 2,042 vehicles were destroyed, 405 UAVs, 13 ships and boats. As can be seen from the scale of the battles, this is the bloodiest war since World War II.
Russia loses in it thanks to the professionalism and heroism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its people, who defend their freedom and independence, while Russian soldiers are absolutely unmotivated and, moreover, poorly prepared for it.

[tardezyx]

Throughout its history, Russian leaders have been notorious in terms of their ruthlessness.

You are not talking about Peter the Great, for sure.

Do you have anything you want to compare to Stalin's reign?

If you already making such a fuss, you could ask American Natives, (East) Germans, (West) Japanese, Vietnamese, Syrians, Afghans, ... - I even don't know where to stop - about their satisfaction about US politics.

[kaya11]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

One the reasons that they haven't attack Ukraine fully ks because they share the same blood. They have the same language, came from the same root. They are like the other race that blindly kills innocent lives. They are showing their power, how much can it damage the city they are attacking. They could've blown Ukraine already but they choose to give them the choice to surrender.

[tardezyx]

A more detailed background:

https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/

[YOSHIE]

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...

Do you want Russia to destroy Ukraine, I think you are insane, your brain is not normal, all countries want Russia and Ukraine to make peace, you are saying full power, I think you are talking nonsense.

What you need to know, russia and ukraine are still great-grandchildren, they still have brotherly blood, unwittingly they have opened a civil war, selfish a few people destroy thousands of innocent human beings.

What full power should they use, don't you see the victims who die every day and the suffering suffered by the Ukrainian people, in the war Russia vs. Ukraine, either retreat is a positive decision, not fear or full force, just remember that those who die every day are brothers, not mortal enemies.

[gweb1996]

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...

Do you want Russia to destroy Ukraine, I think you are insane, your brain is not normal, all countries want Russia and Ukraine to make peace, you are saying full power, I think you are talking nonsense.

What you need to know, russia and ukraine are still great-grandchildren, they still have brotherly blood, unwittingly they have opened a civil war, selfish a few people destroy thousands of innocent human beings.

What full power should they use, don't you see the victims who die every day and the suffering suffered by the Ukrainian people, in the war Russia vs. Ukraine, either retreat is a positive decision, not fear or full force, just remember that those who die every day are brothers, not mortal enemies.

Dude this is a discussion about tactics not about emotions ... just saying that as a General ,if i was a General i wouldn't do what the russians did,i wouldn't let anyone escape or survive or even retreat ... maybe they have a plan that we don't know ,it's interesting ...War is the art of deception...

In war: The most advanced technologically ,the ruthless, the most intelligent ,the bravest will win the war. <-- Anyone how has this qualities will win the war ( Lessons from history not propaganda ! )

[Leviathan.007]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

I'm not sure if this case and discussion are really related to economics but regarding the fight between Ukraine and Russia and the reason why Russia is not using all its forces in the fight the first and most important thing is how can be sure if they are not already using their full of the military forces, obviously, there are many sources of for it but we cannot be sure. By the way, the reason is pretty much clear, if they use the full of the military forces in the war, they will be vulnerable to many countries, and since the relationship between many European countries and Russia is not a good situation they prefer to do not send the full military forces. But if you are to looking at this case economically, the reason can be another thing, maybe if they send full military forces they will need to spend more food and money, also they have some unhappy people inside the country and it's not surprising to see them saving some military forces inside to protect the government against possible protests.

[amishmanish]

its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. These days even small man portable weapons can significantly damage bigger military formations, Drones can bring down misslile systems and missiles can sink ships.
The war these days is a  protracted affair of attrition and Russian generals knew this, so they moved in slowly and cautiously

[Haunebu]

No one really knows to be honest. My theory is that they are afraid of igniting WW3 just like the rest of the world which is why they are cautiously trying to tackle Ukraine which clearly isn't working.

Also, employing their full force implies using all of their nukes which is suicidal since the USA alone can wreck them to oblivion without needing other major allies to step in.

You don't really need to be a war expert to know these things thanks to lessons learnt from WW1 and WW2.

[gweb1996]

No one really knows to be honest. My theory is that they are afraid of igniting WW3 just like the rest of the world which is why they are cautiously trying to tackle Ukraine which clearly isn't working.

Also, employing their full force implies using all of their nukes which is suicidal since the USA alone can wreck them to oblivion without needing other major allies to step in.

You don't really need to be a war expert to know these things thanks to lessons learnt from WW1 and WW2.

Why would USA attack Russia with nukes ,if Russia attacks Ukraine with nukes ? Ukraine is not even a member of NATO... Why should NATO ( i am also part of NATO ) start a nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine ?

Seems to irrational whats going on ...and that is what scares me.

[electronicash]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

One the reasons that they haven't attack Ukraine fully ks because they share the same blood. They have the same language, came from the same root. They are like the other race that blindly kills innocent lives. They are showing their power, how much can it damage the city they are attacking. They could've blown Ukraine already but they choose to give them the choice to surrender.

this i believe is true because they speak same language. i have been watching history of the two countries including neighboring countries are also speaking the same language.

speculating what they are doing is that they want the Ukrainians to unite with Russia. unfortunately its not happening so far. if they bomb Ukraine really hard, they can do it and kill all but that wouldn't look good at all not just to the Ukrainians but to the world watching this war unfold, also there are Russians who has relatives in Ukraine.

[teosanru]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

I think Russia doesn't wants devastation, they know war has already given them a bad name, they just want to pressurise Ukraine as much as possible create this into a sort of seige and keep this holding until Ukraine decides to surrender the regions peacefully to Russia. Nukes are obviously out of picture so I am not considering that in the force that Russia has. Russia wants to play this war not only in the battlefield but also in the arena of democracy.

[nakamura12]

No one knows why russia is not using full force. Most replies here are possibilities that it's the reason why. It could be that they don't want ukraine to be seen being destroyed after a full force attack that make russia have bad name more than it is today or they wanted to stop as it may ignite a WW3 or russia doesn't want to use full force as they might get attack by another country then that means they will be vulnerable during an attack. You know what I mean that Russia only knows why. If you don't want to believe me then you can ask russia of that question. One more thing, it seems you want ukraine to be destroyed by russia and my opinion is a mind like that is not normal.

[DrBeer]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

And what "all the power of Russia" are you talking about? I will now digress a little - we have a desire to erect in Ukraine a monument to Russian corruption and the habit of lying. Honestly !

I'll start from afar: can you name at least one military operation of modern Russia (this is over the past 30 years), where would it have a confrontation with an enemy commensurate in strength? Do you understand why I'm asking this?

Now about the monument to corruption and total lies. Thanks to this, we were able to show the whole world what really is what was presented to the whole world as "unparalleled weapons and technologies that will not be available to the West and other countries for many years to come." Planes allegedly of the 5th generation, which are shot down by the ancient Needle. "Invincible tanks" of which we already have about 1200 burned and torn into spare parts lying around (thanks to Javelin and NLOW). About the tanks, I also want to convey a huge thank you to those idiot designers who welded gratings to the tanks and assured the crews that now they are not afraid of Javelin! Maybe the S-300 or S-400 turned out to be excellent air defense systems? The cruiser Moskva was sunk by only two Ukrainian-designed Neptune missiles, but the air defense in the Crimea and on board this cruiser did not notice anything! You can still list the fakes that fed the world for decades, passing off imperfections as advanced weapons. The only thing that is a real problem so far is a huge amount of manpower. Which is collected from all over Russia, just to satisfy the perverted, morbid fantasies of their Fuhrer. Statistics of the destroyed resources of Russia, by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Territorial Defense and volunteer battalions, on the territory of Ukraine:
1. Manpower ~27000 killed
2. Armored vehicles, destroyed ~ 2900
3. Tanks, destroyed ~ 1200
4. Artillery systems, destroyed ~ 550
5. Aircraft destroyed ~ 200
6. Helicopters, destroyed ~ 160
7. Ships and boats, 13 destroyed

This is reality. This is what happens with the army, when money is stolen, and fairy tales are told to the commander in chief, and instead of real developments, cartoons are shown ...

PS By the way - Kyiv has never been captured by Russian troops! There was an unsuccessful encirclement attempt, and there were several breakthroughs by unorganized groups (including tanks, armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers, and manpower) in several areas of the city. I personally observed this in Kyiv, Obolon district. But all attempts to enter the city ended sadly for the terrorists. By the end of the second week from the beginning of the terrorist attack on Ukraine, all such attempts ended and were not repeated.

[Synchronice]

Because Russians are not Americans.

Definitely, Russians are not Americans. Russians where the ones who killed millions of Ukrainians by starvation, this genocide is known as Holodomor, google it if you want to know in detail.

And OP, I haven't been following the situation too closely as of late but I was kind of wondering the same thing as well.  I would have thought that if the Russian resolve to conquer Ukraine was great enough, they would have employed blitzkreig tactics instead of whatever it is they're doing.  They've got nuclear capability, FFS, so I don't think I'd be faulted for assuming that any country would rather surrender and not fight than risk something truly terrifying and devastating happening.

I'd be very interested to hear others' opinions on this, too.

I believe Pro-Russian people here will tell you: what adult goes full force when fighting mere children.
I think it's safe to say that the military capabilities of Russia aren't as great as it was advertised during the years. The government of Russia lies all the time.
Also, during the invasion of Georgia & Crimea, the West was only expressing their astonished feelings without actions. I think that Russia thought they would act as they did before, they would fulfill their goals and then everything would continue as if nothing happened. Now, the west supports Ukraine, giving them money and weapons. Idk if Russia really has full force somewhere hidden but if they have, it won't be wise to go full force because the world is watching, everyone is watching and it's definitely a red alarm for them, the world won't ignore full force bombing and war from Russia towards Ukrainians. Ukraine did nothing against Russia, they are just punished because they want a better future instead of Russia and their Soviet Union ambitions.