Wheat War I is going to be World War III

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None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

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[pooya87]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

"Two of the ships that have left ports in Ukraine ~are going to Turkey~ to England. ~ to Ireland. ~to Italy".
Does the Wheat war get any clearer than this? Even European countries started doing what China has been doing for months, they are gathering and storing as much food as they can, filling up their strategic storages.

"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
I wonder how the handful of countries hoarding food is going to decrease the price on the world market. Specially if they resell a tiny portion of those grains at a much higher price to other countries!

This reminded me of Churchill in WWII and how they stole the food from Indians and caused famine in India, then blamed them for wanting to eat!

[DrBeer]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

Does that really surprise you? ))
The UN, the Red Cross are such moral prostitutes who will squeal for money, any necessary topic - for example, about starving Africans, but not in order to feed them, but only in order to lift some sanctions from the hand of the feeding them Political prostitution, political corruption, dishonesty are the markers of today's world system. It needs to be rebuilt.
If a criminal is given the right to influence decisions and put pressure on international legislative bodies, then let's allow, for example, in simple courts, a person accused of a crime, to dismiss judges, to appoint their own?
Let's put it this way - I personally am not surprised, but I am sure this will be another argument for changing the paradigm of the work of international organizations.

By the way - "political prostitutes" from Amnesty International, with their fake report, have already led to the fact that ... they cease to exist
"Amnesty International will cease to exist because it took the side of evil
The Norwegian branch of Amnesty International left 80 of its members after the report on Ukraine, writes Vårt Land.
The Finnish branch of the human rights organization Amnesty International lost about 400 donors after publishing a report criticizing the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to their deployment in Ukrainian settlements.
Moral prostitution is a shameful occupation!

[WatChe]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

"Two of the ships that have left ports in Ukraine ~are going to Turkey~ to England. ~ to Ireland. ~to Italy".
Does the Wheat war get any clearer than this? Even European countries started doing what China has been doing for months, they are gathering and storing as much food as they can, filling up their strategic storages.

"the freed shipments will mean more grain on the world market and consequently lower prices".
I wonder how the handful of countries hoarding food is going to decrease the price on the world market. Specially if they resell a tiny portion of those grains at a much higher price to other countries!

This reminded me of Churchill in WWII and how they stole the food from Indians and caused famine in India, then blamed them for wanting to eat!

The famine in East Bengal (now Bangladesh) during world war 2 killed around 2 to 4 million people (as per Wikipedia). Actual figures may be more then that. Main reason was UK government hoarding the food supplies and deprived local people from food access. Bodies of people died due to starvation were found near food storages controlled by UK government.
Years have passed but the mentality hasn't changed. Countries you mentioned still prefer there own interest over others.

[stompix]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

From the same website, the same authors, but things you might have missed, just as the Russian artillery does
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/world/europe/un-ukraine-grain-africa.html

The first ship hired to carry Ukrainian grain directly to famine-stricken parts of the Horn of Africa since the Russian invasion halted food exports six months ago will arrive in Ukraine on Friday, U.N. officials said.
The U.N.-chartered bulk carrier, the Brave Commander, is expected to dock at the Yuzhny port in southern Ukraine, where it will be loaded with grain purchased by the U.N.’s World Food Program and distributed to “countries worst affected by the global food crisis,” said a spokesman for the program, Steve Taravella.

So far none of the 14 grain-laden vessels that have departed Ukraine are heading to countries facing food shortages. That is largely because they are carrying grain purchased under commercial contracts.

All the ships that are left now till now are the ships that were carrying grain purchased before the war even started, contracted already, now that there is enough capacity to accommodate ships that carry wheat that has been not yet sold, this is going to Africa.
So, stick your propaganda where it belongs!

As for Europe stockpiling wheat, this is just hilarious as Europe exports overall more wheat than Russia does:
https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2348664-frances-global-wheat-exports-to-surge-in-junenovember

French soft wheat exports to countries outside the EU surged in June ahead of a busy line-up for the first half of the new July-June marketing year, owing to a rebound in demand after exports fell short of government targets in 2021-22.
The top export market was Morocco, which took around 209,000t in June, while Algeria and Egypt took 89,000t and 77,000t, respectively, as north African buyers returned to French wheat following muted interest earlier in 2021-22.

And another thing:

French new-crop sales to Egypt reached 520Kt between 30 June – 4 July, surpassing the 265Kt France sold to Egypt during the entire 2021/22 season (stratégie grains). Further to that, it’s reported that Germany has already sold 1Mt of new-crop in advance to buyers in Africa and Iran (Reuters).

What a surprise, seems that after realizing they don't have bullets to shoot all the protesters begging for food in the streets Iran has switched its tactics and started buying food from whoever has it, and miraculously the exact notion in which the supermarkets were empty is keeping Iran from starving.

The famine in East Bengal (now Bangladesh) during world war 2 killed around 2 to 4 million people (as per Wikipedia). Actual figures may be more then that. Main reason was UK government hoarding the food supplies

So it was not the capture of Rangoon the fall of Burma by the Japanese and the sinking of 100 000 tons of food as well as a navy blockade, as the Wikipedia link you've quoted actually says, noted, another re-write of the history to show how bad europeans were.

[pooya87]

You think you have a pretty good understanding of the world then you read about the craziest things happening in the Wild West from eating celebrity [human] meat to eating insects! And they make fun of Chinese people for being crazy eating bats!
There may not be a Wheat War if the Europeans increase eating bugs as European Food Safety Authority is slowly approving more insects to be eaten by them and the companies are starting to commercialize it. lol.

https://www.tastingtable.com/916993/why-europeans-may-soon-begin-eating-more-insects/

[Sithara007]

There is hardly any impact on the market. Two years ago, wheat was trading at ~$200 per ton. Now the prices have spiked to $400-$500 per ton.

https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=wheat&months=60

At the most I expect wheat to trade at ~$350 per ton for the remainder of the year, but that is still around 75% higher than the level we had two years ago. Major wheat importers are going to be in a fix (especially those in the middle-east and Maghreb). Here in India, the government has prohibited exports of wheat and therefore the domestic prices are much lower than what is in the international market.

[amishmanish]

I think wheat war is goin g to be the precursor of world war. We are facing shortages of different kinds, water, wheat, land and more. Most importantly we are facing shortage of good leaders

[DrBeer]

I think wheat war is goin g to be the precursor of world war. We are facing shortages of different kinds, water, wheat, land and more. Most importantly we are facing shortage of good leaders

For a world war, an aggressor country is needed. Now the aggressor is Russia, carrying cancer cells of the "Russian world" around the world.
But the problem in Russia is that, apart from being mean, stealthily, spoiling, and even more so only to the weaker, it can do nothing. Everything that she declared about her power turned out to be, at best, a fake, but in fact - a stupid, primitive lie. Therefore, Russia's time is numbered! It won't be in a week or a month, but soon enough we'll see the collapse of another "pathetic, bastard under-empire". And gas, oil and nuclear weapons will not help them, just as it did not help the USSR

[Argoo]

None of the ships released so far are going to Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia or other countries facing catastrophic levels of hunger.

To send grain and other agricultural products from the ports of Ukraine in accordance with the agreements on the provision of a corridor with the participation of Turkey and the UN, signed agreements are needed. The first vessels from Ukrainian ports went to the addresses of signed and confirmed contracts. Now 26 ships loaded with agricultural products have already left Ukrainian ports, and applications have already been submitted for loading 40 ships. In addition, the United States bought 150,000 tons of grain from Ukraine to provide food assistance to countries where the threat of famine loomed.
As far as I know, the first vessel with grain for Ethiopia chartered by the UN World Food Program - Brave Commander - departed on August 16 from the Yuzhny port in the Odessa region.

[STT]

Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.

[pooya87]

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/food/1656338/Food-mouldy-foods-you-can-eat-safe-cheese-fruit-veg-storage-hacks

Under normal circumstances something like this would just go unnoticed but considering the global food war that has been going on for more than a year and how some European regimes have been struggling to secure their future food supplies, seeing such a news that's basically encourages people to eat mouldy food that should be thrown away is showing the seriousness of the next crisis (first one is energy crisis).

[Sithara007]

Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.

Reminds me of the scenario we had with the COVID vaccines back in 2020-21. The richer nations were able to accumulate more vaccine supplies than they actually need, while the third world nations were sidelined. The grain deal between Ukraine and Russia was finalized claiming that most of the grain is needed to prevent famine in the Sub-Saharan Africa, Maghreb and Middle-East regions. But European agro-business firms are accumulating most of this grain, and I assume that they will re-export it at a premium to the third world nations.

[amishmanish]

If they don't have bread ask them to eat cake... These lines were the cause of French revolution..i don't know if world war 3 will happen, but yes hunger can make people rise and fight, or just perish. Hunger is there is African countries for long. Draughts are still common there. It is just that they don't have technology for war. They suffered.  But yes hunger can make people real savages.

[Ahli38]

The food crisis that occurred this time was actually not only due to a shortage of food supply but also caused by problems in terms of food affordability itself. and also the concentration of food production is a problem that triggers food speculation and this food speculation has an impact on rising world food prices.

The pandemic, war and extreme weather that occurred today are certainly the main triggers for this food crisis. but behind all that there is a game behind the rising world food prices. whether it's because there are countries that deliberately stock up food. or with anything else.

For countries that are used to food imports, the food crisis will definitely be felt. in contrast to countries that have implemented food policies that encourage farmers and communities to make independent production. such as breeders and farmers who have been able to escape from dependence on chemicals. by applying an organic fertilizer system and organic tillage.
make organic fertilizer with organic waste material through a fermentation process (using EM4). so that agricultural production remains stable even when imports of fertilizers from abroad are stopped.

but for some countries this food crisis has become a profitable thing. as for the country of Thailand which is the food industry will benefit from this situation as purchase orders increase amid increasing fears of this food crisis.

But again, what is worrying is that there will be countries that deliberately buy up food stocks so that the distribution of food supply will be disrupted. so there will be countries that remain in food crisis.

The next fear that has occurred is that some food-producing countries are starting to become stingy. because they have reasons to maintain food stability in their own country.
For example, wheat-producing countries that impose restrictions are Russia, India, Serbia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Kosovo.
of course not only for wheat but also for other food items such as sugar, beef and soybeans (similar) as well as fertilizers.

_{If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war. because there will be a country that wants to control food in the midst of this crisis. and I think that now conflicts between countries have started to emerge. even though everything is wrapped like it's not about food. but the truth is surely everything is a matter of food and survival. and this Wheat War is what we fear. Small sparks can create large, widespread flames.}

[pooya87]

Draughts are still common there.

Everything about the world is starting to change. Even droughts, for example the European continent that was considered "green" is starting to be hit with drought while other regions that previously struggled are getting more rains and turning "green".
The world order is not the only thing that is changing these days...

If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war.

Even if it doesn't trigger it, in any kind of large scale war food will be used as a weapon. For example all the food that China has amassed is not going to be consumed domestically, they will have to sell it at some point before it expires. If they start a war they could start using that as a bargaining chip like how Russia is using its gas these days.

[Sithara007]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

[Eden Loomis]

6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

I agree that the scarcity of food becomes more serious, leading a price to rocket. After reading the number 6, I assume that China will take an advantage to be more powerful, and control more developing countries because they have a large food supply.

[DrBeer]

"The greatest politician in the world, the greatest genius, with his second army of the world," began to squeal and demand negotiations with Ukraine. Through his bedside dog Peskov, he conveyed the following: Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on how the "special operation" will be terminated and the observance not of conditions, but of Russia's interests.

...what a pitiful sight! ))

[KennyR]

The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.

Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.