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November 30, 2023, 10:07:19 PM
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^The difference with WabiSabi is there is no tx0 premix transaction, so an observer tracking your input can only watch it go directly into a single WabiSabi coinjoin, whereas an observer tracking a Whirlpool input can watch it enter up to 70 Whirlpool coinjoins from the tx0 premix (or even more than 70 if the user links toxic change from multiple tx0s together).

I do not get the privacy benefit of WabiSabi here.

  • WabiSabi:  The observer sees my input entering a WabiSabi coinjoin => coin is concealed
  • Whirlpool:  The observer sees my (premix) input entering 70 coinjoins => coin is concealed

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November 30, 2023, 10:17:56 PM
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I do not get the privacy benefit of WabiSabi here.

  • WabiSabi:  The observer sees my input entering a WabiSabi coinjoin => coin is concealed
  • Whirlpool:  The observer sees my (premix) input entering 70 coinjoins => coin is concealed

See my previous example of how I unconcealed a Whirlpool user due to them splitting their coins into many rounds:

The first is the fee to Whirlpool itself, which is a flat fee depending on the pool you are joining.

The flat pool entry fee structure is designed to incentivize worst privacy practices.  Since fees are not collected directly based on volume, it is cheaper to participate in a smaller pool and create more outputs than participate in a larger pool and create less outputs. Additionally, it incentivizes revealing common inputs ownership of premix UTXOs since it is cheaper to consolidate them to enter the pool once than to enter the pool with each UTXO individually.  Samourai has never explained why they purposely chose a fee structure that heavily penalizes the most private usage of their protocol.

Because of this backwards design, you can easily link premix inputs to postmix outputs in many cases.  Notice how this Whirlpool tx0 premix creates 70 outputs for 0.05 BTC - https://mempool.space/tx/63679c9ec82f246811acbab0c04cc0fc77ba050e1b6c23661d78afcfc13cf8aa

Notice how every single input of this Whirlpool exit transaction is a direct descendant of rounds created by the aforementioned premix transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/ce2f84f7c5ff74fb1da103acb7b279bd34f02f5e9e3a2e1b6417ce8b9b7392db

When many inputs used in the postmix exit transaction are created directly from a round that the premix transaction entered, it makes it trivial to trace the user through Whirlpool.  Fortunately, the user abandoned Whirlpool and upgraded to using the WabiSabi coinjoin protocol instead, which made him completely untraceable: https://mempool.space/address/bc1qjjw5gaglkycu2lm5fskl7qhktk0hec4a5me3da


You can use Bitcoin privately without giving up custody: https://mempool.space/tx/d465033214fd2309dcce5a90c45fcaa788aa4394ee36debe07aad8d8a37907d2
^ Participate in coinjoin transactions like this with Wasabi Wallet ^
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