[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[Shinpako09]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

[Botnake]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

I don't think he was change, it's just that Canelo is also a great fighter and in the last fight, Canelo was better than him that's why he lose.

Look at his record, he had only 1 lose and that is only against canelo.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

his record is now 42-1 with 37KO from 42 wins. In fact, he has a better record than Canelo as Canelo has 2 losses already.

[alpamar99]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

It is true that age is indeed very difficult to deny because it is very influential in determining the winner as well.
Golovkin is a very good fighter but age can't fool anyone here as this will definitely be one of the advantages for Canelo.
The opportunities are very tempting there but on the other hand it is also very risky in my opinion and when you don't want to take risks then being at Canelo is a good choice.

[Welsh]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

Probably true, but I think the same could be said for Canelo. I haven't been overly impressed with him in his last few fights, not just his losses. I know Canelo is treated like a god by some people, but he's very beatable at this stage in his career. A good fighter, don't get me wrong. One of the best, but beatable.

I don't like the reputation that's associated with him being this strong, and all mighty fighter that can't be beat. Obviously, people are more aware of it with his recent loss. The thing is, his last few fights he has shown he hasn't got the tactical advantage he once had, he used to target specific areas of a fighter, and basically weaken them enough. I don't see that as much any more, he basically approaches most fights fundamentally the same, instead of looking to adapt. I think this comes with winning a lot, you end up believing you don't need to adapt, because you're already the champion.

[TravelMug]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

Probably true, but I think the same could be said for Canelo. I haven't been overly impressed with him in his last few fights, not just his losses. I know Canelo is treated like a god by some people, but he's very beatable at this stage in his career. A good fighter, don't get me wrong. One of the best, but beatable.

I don't like the reputation that's associated with him being this strong, and all mighty fighter that can't be beat. Obviously, people are more aware of it with his recent loss. The thing is, his last few fights he has shown he hasn't got the tactical advantage he once had, he used to target specific areas of a fighter, and basically weaken them enough. I don't see that as much any more, he basically approaches most fights fundamentally the same, instead of looking to adapt. I think this comes with winning a lot, you end up believing you don't need to adapt, because you're already the champion.

+1 on this, Canelo was treated like a God like, having a cult following and majority thinks that he can't be beaten and he is a perfect boxing. But we saw that if someone is not afraid to go toe to toe with him, have good speed and footwork, you can beat him.

The argument against GGG though is that he is old, but we will not know. that until he step again with Canelo in the ring and see if he doesn't have that punch resistance anymore or slow a bit because he is already 40 years old.

[Kemarit]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

I don't think he was change, it's just that Canelo is also a great fighter and in the last fight, Canelo was better than him that's why he lose.

Look at his record, he had only 1 lose and that is only against canelo.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

his record is now 42-1 with 37KO from 42 wins. In fact, he has a better record than Canelo as Canelo has 2 losses already.

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

[Sithara007]

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

[erep]

How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

The age factor will affect almost all important aspects such as endurance, fitness, strength, and others. So I don't think there is an opinion that is degrading the age factor but because his stats are decreasing then the chances of winning will probably be low as your prediction is below 50%, the trilogy fight probably won't be in Golovkin's favor because of his age, unless he finds a golden opportunity to knock out Canelo with a hard punch then it will be a different story.

[btc_angela]

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

You don't have to question how much the body can take, sooner or later our body will not be the same as it was 5 years ago. Just one example is our eye sight, maybe at 35 you might be 20/20 but when you reaches 40, it might deteriorate, that's how our body works.

Of course, we love that kind of odds, very much attractive. So it's really up to us, how we analyze the fight and who to bet if we factor many things, including age of GGG or how Canelo lost his fight against Bivol.

[Hypnosis00]

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

You don't have to question how much the body can take, sooner or later our body will not be the same as it was 5 years ago. Just one example is our eye sight, maybe at 35 you might be 20/20 but when you reaches 40, it might deteriorate, that's how our body works.

Of course, we love that kind of odds, very much attractive. So it's really up to us, how we analyze the fight and who to bet if we factor many things, including age of GGG or how Canelo lost his fight against Bivol.

For GGG, I think he still has it, he won his last fight so I believe he can beat Canelo as long as he can set up and find a great opening. In boxing, sometimes we have to consider luck as well as one mistake could end the fight, and that's why GGG will have to look since he is a knock out puncher and therefore capable of hurting Canelo.

[Ziskinberg]

For GGG, I think he still has it, he won his last fight so I believe he can beat Canelo as long as he can set up and find a great opening. In boxing, sometimes we have to consider luck as well as one mistake could end the fight, and that's why GGG will have to look since he is a knock out puncher and therefore capable of hurting Canelo.

Of course, but people still questioning if at his age now, can he make an upset by beating Canelo?

I'm sure most of us here would not agree on an upset because Canelo is still in his prime while GGG is going to his retirement age, so let's see, we can never tell until the fight is over. One thing I'm sure of is that this fight is going to be exciting again, so regardless of who wins, as long as it brings enjoyment, I'm okay with that.

[goinmerry]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

That might be true but didn't you know that GGG is already in his post-prime when he fought against Canelo in their rematch? In that fight, Canelo was put on his limit and the result is even doubted by most boxing fans. GGG at around 40 years just crashed Murata with a Technical Knockout victory. On other hand, Canelo loses against a boxer that was in his same league which others don't expect.

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

[Jawhead999]

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

Actually the statement of ages factor is mostly correct since as we can see many good boxer often lose when he's already old, take an example of the recent fight of the rematch between Inoue vs Donaire. The first fight is really exiting and no boring since it's ended via decision, Donaire had an iron chin to survive for 12 rounds. But the rematch, we're disappointed to see Donaire can't hold his body to taking Inoue's punch and ended as TKO on the second rounds.

The possible chance GGG will win the trilogy is below 30% IMO.

[Maslate]

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

Actually the statement of ages factor is mostly correct since as we can see many good boxer often lose when he's already old, take an example of the recent fight of the rematch between Inoue vs Donaire. The first fight is really exiting and no boring since it's ended via decision, Donaire had an iron chin to survive for 12 rounds. But the rematch, we're disappointed to see Donaire can't hold his body to taking Inoue's punch and ended as TKO on the second rounds.

The possible chance GGG will win the trilogy is below 30% IMO.

It's different compared to the Donaire vs Inoue fight because in the first fight, Inoue won via unanimous decision, which means he dominated the fight, while in GGG vs Canelo, the last two fights were very controversial that's why fans are asking a trilogy and it's happening soon.

Maybe age is really a big factor, a disadvantage of GGG in this fight, but GGG is not just an ordinary boxer, he is one of the greatest boxers and therefore I still believe that even if Canelo will win, it's not gonna be easy.

[bittraffic]

At age 40 of course GG is not going what he was. At this age some people are already taking Viagra to last 3 minutes. And he is fighting against a 31 year old Canelo. One could say this is already a fixed fight and what GG could get is a huge amount of money but I'm hoping he will not go down in the first round.  That would be too obvious.

[chaser15]

Is poll really needed that much ? Current mood of this topic is "GGG is great, but he is old. Canelo is younger, that is why he will win". People will vote for Canelo, but some will place bets on GGG, because real chances of him winning this fight are greater what bookies offer.

You are takings things seriously too much. Poll is just to see what's the people pulse about the fight. Don't be serious regardless of the poll result. Everyone knows that it will all end up on both boxers strategies on the day of the fight.

This poll, and any other poll is mostly fan-based so take it as a form of entertainment.

GGG odds is tempting knowing he's not really underdog compare on other match that the gap between both boxers is really and distant. Even at retirement age already, he can surely still hurt the younger and prime Canelo.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Is poll really needed that much ? Current mood of this topic is "GGG is great, but he is old. Canelo is younger, that is why he will win". People will vote for Canelo, but some will place bets on GGG, because real chances of him winning this fight are greater what bookies offer.

You are takings things seriously too much. Poll is just to see what's the people pulse about the fight. Don't be serious regardless of the poll result. Everyone knows that it will all end up on both boxers strategies on the day of the fight.

This poll, and any other poll is mostly fan-based so take it as a form of entertainment.

GGG odds is tempting knowing he's not really underdog compare on other match that the gap between both boxers is really and distant. Even at retirement age already, he can surely still hurt the younger and prime Canelo.

Yeah, I agree, of course pool is good just to measure our preferences, doesn't have to take seriously. And then we have the argument for and against each side.

And this is normal process for every game not just for boxing, we have our own analysis on how the fight will turn out. So it's based on how we look at the fight and what will make the other win the game itself. Bookies offer us odds, if you want to bet on base on how you see the fight then good.

[harizen]

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

Let's clarify something here, Canelo Alvarez has a record of clean record 42-0 (with 30 KO) before he fought Mayweather Jr. It's not Canelo's early career when he faced The Money. He was also already famous back then that's why he's being chosen and considered as Mayweather Jr. opponent in the first place.

Let's not take that reason why he loss but rather Mayweather is just too much for him. There is no doubt that Prime Mayweather Jr. is a beast and the distance between him and Canelo is too much. They are fighting within the same weight take note of that.

Although Canelo lose, it's a good experience having Mayweather as his opponent on his boxing career history.

[Distinctin]

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

I don't think he was change, it's just that Canelo is also a great fighter and in the last fight, Canelo was better than him that's why he lose.

Look at his record, he had only 1 lose and that is only against canelo.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

his record is now 42-1 with 37KO from 42 wins. In fact, he has a better record than Canelo as Canelo has 2 losses already.

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

That certain loss made a huge impact to Canelo to make a nice counter against that shoulder roll or Philly Shell that was used by Mayweather, but he already had a defeat in his record after he managed to find a way to counter that style.
Anyway back to the fight, it's hard to believe that GGG can manage to get a win especially this time when his body is already weary while Canelo is still on his prime but who knows, an upset is always around the corner. What I'm seeing is that GGG can withstand 12 full rounds and still give Canelo a struggle on their upcoming trilogy this September.

[chaser15]

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

Actually the statement of ages factor is mostly correct since as we can see many good boxer often lose when he's already old, take an example of the recent fight of the rematch between Inoue vs Donaire. The first fight is really exiting and no boring since it's ended via decision, Donaire had an iron chin to survive for 12 rounds. But the rematch, we're disappointed to see Donaire can't hold his body to taking Inoue's punch and ended as TKO on the second rounds.

The possible chance GGG will win the trilogy is below 30% IMO.

That's not a good comparison. Inoue really dominated the fight on their 1st and 2nd fight. Different from Canelo vs GGG where everyone wants a trilogy since there's a question if Canelo really dominated GGG in those 2 previous fights. The Donaire and Inoue just happened because that should really happen as part of the unification of the Bantamweight title. I think Donaire already knows that he can't handle Inoue in their 2nd fight.

GGG is no doubt, maybe slow now but I can't put that age factor here. He is already aging when he fights Canelo for the second time but the latter still struggles. Canelo will also remember the wrath that Bivol gave during their last fight. His confidence is still not at 100% because of that worst loss of his career.