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August 19, 2023, 06:04:01 AM
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Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.

I don't remember the US team being banned from international sport during the Afghan war... Libya, Iraq, Syria, Serbia... many seem to ignore it but the US army IS in Syria RIGHT NOW and from the legal point of view the have absolutely no right to stay there. Double standards?
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August 20, 2023, 09:52:17 AM
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At a meeting on Tuesday, the Central Bank's board of directors discussed the introduction of mandatory sale of foreign currency earnings by exporting companies, Bloomberg reported citing four sources familiar with the situation.

Three Interfax sources, directly involved in the discussion, say that almost all foreign currency earnings - up to 90% - may fall under the rule of compulsory sale. Such measures were discussed on Monday at a meeting with the participation of major exporters, the government and the Central Bank.

Yes, and that's a logical decision. While the country is being artificially prevented from receiving USD and EUR, some companies probably have quite a lot of foreign currency accumulated from export deals. I don't see how this news can be negative or shameful for Russia.

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PS For information: in Ukraine during the most difficult time, after the beginning of Russian aggression, there was also a forced sale of currency. I work under contracts with the EU, and my business is paid in Euros. So there was a period when I was selling 50% of my currency receipts. But... this provision of the law has long been canceled. And we don't have oil, gas, "40% of the world's natural resources". Smiley

Yeah, who needs oil, gas, other resources and all that crap when you can receive foreign financial aid for free?   Grin Since the beginning of 2023 and up to May Ukraine has received hundreds of billions in financial support! US alone has injected a whopping $71 billion, EU about $35 billion! About 40% (now possibly even more) of Ukraine's budget is being sponsored by the West.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

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I have some sobering news for those who believe that the Russian economy is about to "implode". Urals FOB prices are at all-time high. Last week, FOB price at Novorossiysk was $73.57 per barrel, which represents a discount of just $14.80 per barrel to benchmark Brent. And this is well above the G7 price cap of $60 per barrel. Freight rates have also decreased, making it profitable for importers to chose for Russian crude. Russian diesel was trading at $108.98 per barrel, which is again well above the price cap. The freight cost from Russia to India has now declined to just $4.5 per barrel.


Dear Sithara007 !
Are you familiar with such a concept as "cognitive dissonance" ?
I will tell you by example - if someone says that the Russian economy is stable, oil is sold in huge volumes, and its price is "exorbitant", but at the same time in reality the ruble is flying into the abyss, budget revenues in currency have fallen by half. This is exactly about "cognitive dissonance" Smiley

And let me remind you again, although I see you just try to reject this fact, because it breaks your fictitious story about stability: 90%+ of the terrorist country's oil is bought by India. China has already refocused on Iraqi oil. India buys for 2 reasons: cheap and can buy for ... RUPIES !
So don't write about high price in dollars, it doesn't exist. It is on papers, but all settlements for oil India makes in RUPIES Smiley And rupees are not dollars, by the way dollars - for which India forbade russia to change its rupees Smiley

Well, that's a lie! A portion (eventually becoming bigger) of all trade is being performed in Chinese yuan. Initially, the share of yuan was around 10% but it's getting bigger and bigger eventually.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-refiners-start-yuan-payments-russian-oil-imports-sources-2023-07-03/


1. Yes, and we are grateful to the civilized world for the support it gives Ukraine in the fight against this new brown plague of the world ! Although in Muscovy they constantly squeal that "the west is tired, the west is worn out, the west will no longer support Ukraine". But no, to "destroy the cancerous tumor of the world" - Rashism, the world will find forces and means, otherwise the world will be destroyed for many decades or even centuries. The world has already realized that agreements and normal interaction with the carriers of the ideology of Rashism are impossible.

2. No, it is just the truth Smiley And they have been howling about it in the swamps of mordor for a long time Smiley google "russia problems of mutual settlements with india".
"Russian oil producers, who have ramped up shipments to India 11 times, are facing an inability to get a return for the crude they have sold. According to Reuters, Indian banks have about 39 billion dollars hanging in the balance, at the current exchange rate it is 3.6 trillion rubles, which amounts to" - check ! remember a simple principle - tell the truth, and you will not need to make up "facts" and memorize previously told lies. That is the advantage of the truth. Of course you will try to say that Reuters is not the right source, and you need a source where Putin himself talks about it, and in general it's all fake..... But this is REALITY and TRUTH Smiley


PS The link is great, but it's about something else - in China "great Russia" can at least buy cheap shirptoreb, 10 dollar phones, socks, nails for yuan Smiley Well, all the things that the "great economy of Russia" is not able to produce and that the masses demand. And what does India offer in exchange for rupees? Sari, spices, and primitive medicines. India does not sell higher quality goods to russia...

And a very important point - India is getting rid of the Yuan, because it does not want to become an appendage and slave of China, with its project for not the smartest BRICS members "dedollarization = yuanization".


You did well here - you helped to show who is an appendage of India and China  Grin
By the way, notice - not a word about payment in rubles  Grin Grin Grin

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August 20, 2023, 11:19:50 PM
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Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.

I don't remember the US team being banned from international sport during the Afghan war... Libya, Iraq, Syria, Serbia... many seem to ignore it but the US army IS in Syria RIGHT NOW and from the legal point of view the have absolutely no right to stay there. Double standards?
I think you got me wrong. I did not say that the United States of America was excluded from participating in any of the major international sporting events, and I am almost certain that this will not happen soon, regardless of the degree of its crimes. At the same time, the penalty of exclusion included other countries whose rulers were accused of hostile practices. The most obvious example is Israel, which is prevented from participating in many international events, and there are countries that do not recognize Israel as a state in the first place.
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Another block of news from a country with a "strong secured ruble, stable economy" on which "the whole world depends" Grin

- Russian regions are left without fuel at gas stations. Gasoline has begun to disappear from gas stations in Russian regions, and in agrarian regions there is a shortage of diesel fuel, Izvestia reports with reference to representatives of the fuel business.
- Russians will see bread prices rise sharply after Putin's decision to pull out of the grain deal. Russian bread producers are preparing to sharply raise prices for their products in the fall.  According to them, bread may rise in price by 10% due to sanctions, the collapse of the ruble and, among other things, Russia's withdrawal from the grain deal.
- More than a quarter of Russians admitted to a complete lack of savings. Given that in Russia it is common to understate negative data - most likely 50% do not have a penny of reserves.
- Cabs across Russia will switch to Lada despite the protests of drivers Smiley
- Audi, following BMW and Mercedes, disconnected Russian dealers from the software
- Health Ministry urged hospitals to prepare for the disappearance of nearly 200 drugs
- Russian arms sales abroad have plummeted more than threefold
- Russia can't get $39 billion for oil sold to India
- The collapse of Gazprom's exports has left Russian pipe mills without orders. The collapse of Gazprom's
- And a bit about russia's "friends": Iran has started to squeeze russian oil out of china with discounts


And these two news are perfect :
- Siloviki suggested Putin to fire Shoigu, impose martial law and start general mobilization.
- In the State Duma called rumors of a new mobilization in September a throw-in

Total: so there will be mobilization Smiley

And the expected event - Moon 25, finished its journey as expected Smiley The reason for the accident - haste and show, an attempt to get ahead of ... India Smiley "The first space country" became "the last comic country".

 

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August 22, 2023, 11:11:06 PM
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Another block of news from a country with a "strong secured ruble, stable economy" on which "the whole world depends" Grin

- Russian regions are left without fuel at gas stations. Gasoline has begun to disappear from gas stations in Russian regions, and in agrarian regions there is a shortage of diesel fuel, Izvestia reports with reference to representatives of the fuel business.
- Russians will see bread prices rise sharply after Putin's decision to pull out of the grain deal. Russian bread producers are preparing to sharply raise prices for their products in the fall.  According to them, bread may rise in price by 10% due to sanctions, the collapse of the ruble and, among other things, Russia's withdrawal from the grain deal.
- More than a quarter of Russians admitted to a complete lack of savings. Given that in Russia it is common to understate negative data - most likely 50% do not have a penny of reserves.
- Cabs across Russia will switch to Lada despite the protests of drivers Smiley
- Audi, following BMW and Mercedes, disconnected Russian dealers from the software
- Health Ministry urged hospitals to prepare for the disappearance of nearly 200 drugs
- Russian arms sales abroad have plummeted more than threefold
- Russia can't get $39 billion for oil sold to India
- The collapse of Gazprom's exports has left Russian pipe mills without orders. The collapse of Gazprom's
- And a bit about russia's "friends": Iran has started to squeeze russian oil out of china with discounts

And the expected event - Moon 25, finished its journey as expected Smiley The reason for the accident - haste and show, an attempt to get ahead of ... India Smiley "The first space country" became "the last comic country".


Oh our little lying propagandist shill friend is still here? Why don't you join your heroic compatriots, the "warriors of light" on the front lines? They are waiting for you in trenches, some cannon fodder is always welcome. Russia is about to launch an attack on Harkiv, immediately after they'll capture Kupyansk. So every soldier counts.

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And these two news are perfect :
- Siloviki suggested Putin to fire Shoigu, impose martial law and start general mobilization.
- In the State Duma called rumors of a new mobilization in September a throw-in

Total: so there will be mobilization Smiley

OMG this is so logical, the most logical thing I've read this year. No means yes. No sources, no proof, nothing. OMG, what a bozo...  Grin

Meanwhile, Ukraine gets mad on the Western journalists for reporting huge casualties and bans them from entering the areas where fighting is going on:

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Ukrainian authorities have almost completely banned journalists from other countries from being on the front line. This is written by the Swiss edition of Le Temps. The decision could be due to the huge losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Western officials and analysts believe that Ukraine has lost more than 150 thousand soldiers killed and wounded since the beginning of Russia's special operation.

Source: https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2023-08-22-le-temps--kiev-almost-completely-banned-foreign-media-from-traveling-to-the-front-line.SyZUDkxMa3.html
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August 24, 2023, 11:58:09 AM
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Russia is about to launch an attack on Harkiv, immediately after they'll capture Kupyansk.

Russia had a chance to take over Ukraine, at least temporarily, in the early days of the invasion in February 2022. At that time, the leadership of Ukraine did not believe in a full-scale invasion of the Russian army into Ukraine, despite the fact that eight Russian armies were at the borders of Ukraine for many months under the pretext of their exercises. Therefore, Ukraine did not prepare defense lines and minefields. But Putin chose the wrong tactic, trying to intimidate the Ukrainians with the scale of the invasion of his armored forces at a time when, due to the wrong season and weather, she could only move along the well-maintained roads of Ukraine. Therefore, they became a good target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when these armored columns several tens of kilometers long got stuck in traffic jams artificially created by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and shot them from the side as if in a shooting gallery. Subsequently, this was the reason for the rapid withdrawal of this heavy military equipment from the central and northern regions of Ukraine in order not to completely lose it there.

Now the situation has changed radically, and not in favor of Russia. Russia has already lost a significant part of its professional army and military equipment on the fields of Ukraine. So, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia has lost about 260 thousand of its soldiers and officers, 4375 tanks, 8511 armored vehicles, 315 aircraft, 316 helicopters, 5333 artillery systems, 723 MLRS, 494 air defense systems, 7773 various automotive military equipment and tanks, 4344 UAVs, 801 special equipment. The Russian army is now forced to reactivate its military equipment since the Second World War. Of course, this technique is also still capable of shooting, and there will still be stubborn bloody battles. But Russia is unlikely to be able to count on successful large-scale operations with the capture of significant Ukrainian territories.

On the other hand, Ukraine, although slowly, is being supplied by other countries with the latest weapons. On the way, by the end of the year, already the first fifty F-16 fighters. If Ukraine has been quite successful in this year and a half with 120 obsolete Soviet aircraft, then with the F-16 and long-range missiles, the Russians will be even more disappointed by the current war of aggression in Ukraine.

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Oh our little lying propagandist shill friend is still here? Why don't you join your heroic compatriots, the "warriors of light" on the front lines? They are waiting for you in trenches, some cannon fodder is always welcome. Russia is about to launch an attack on Harkiv, immediately after they'll capture Kupyansk. So every soldier counts.

As expected, not a single argument against, not a single thought, but a primitive infantile attempt to "offend"  Grin Grin Grin

Fool, I already explained to you - I served from March 2022 to December 2022 in the Territorial Defense, demobilized after being wounded Smiley So I fulfilled my part of the duty of a citizen - I defended my country and my people, and fulfilled the duty of a civilized person - destroyed the new Nazism. And now I continue to provide maximum assistance to the guys at the front Smiley

Where are you and how? Therefore, you do not save the "Russian-speaking population", do not fight "with NATO"? The answer is expected to be infantile-idiotic, I really look forward to the answer  Grin

But I will leave the problems of psychiatry, and return to the topic. So the news about the "successes of great Russia." Although using the phrase "success" and "Russia" is also from the field of psychiatry, so I put it in quotation marks Smiley

And let's start with real clinical psychiatry Smiley
- Stalin became the third most popular political leader of the past among Russians. Can you imagine what people have in their brains if they glorify a SADIST who destroyed the citizens of the USSR more than Nazi Germany?

The news is most likely paired:
- Russia is in a demographic hole.
but they are trying to fix the situation
- In Russia, the number of sexual crimes committed by military personnel has sharply increased

And news from the "friends of Russia":
- Hungary supported Zelensky's peace plan!
- Abkhazia rejected Medvedev's idea of becoming part of Russia - they finally understood what the "Russian world" is, and breaks out of its bloody embrace.


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Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.
If the international economic sanctions imposed on Russia because of its military attack on Ukraine seem absurd to you, because they do not give the desired effect, offer your options on how to get Russia to stop killing Ukrainians and return to compliance with international norms and rules of conduct. International institutions such as the UN are currently incapacitated. The UN, which is called upon to respond quickly to such acts of aggression, cannot even condemn Russia's actions, let alone expel it from the Security Council, if only because the Russian Federation is illegally in the UN, since no one is in this organization did not accept.

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I still feel like this is not something sustainable. Its not possible to keep imploding yourself, even USA or China cannot compete with world economies with this method. You will always need to import things that do not exist in your country or things you can perfectly produce. You can keep on going with imperfect production but in long run other economies will benefit through trade and beat you. I think Russia needs imports, in long run, sure.
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~snip~

Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.
If the international economic sanctions imposed on Russia because of its military attack on Ukraine seem absurd to you, because they do not give the desired effect, offer your options on how to get Russia to stop killing Ukrainians and return to compliance with international norms and rules of conduct. International institutions such as the UN are currently incapacitated. The UN, which is called upon to respond quickly to such acts of aggression, cannot even condemn Russia's actions, let alone expel it from the Security Council, if only because the Russian Federation is illegally in the UN, since no one is in this organization did not accept.
The rules and regulations are ours to establish. We can modify them if things need to be fixed. Suppose the US and EU do not use sanctions to restrain Russia's rise. Russia will quickly level Ukraine. I don't know what this campaign means. But Russia is destroying Ukraine and its innocent people. It is affecting the global economy. Putin also announced the withdrawal of Russia from the New START Treaty. What do you think if Russia used nuclear weapons?
Russia and Ukraine should sit at the negotiating table to make things better.

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Russia's war is artificial because when the war started the West thought they had won and Russia would not be able to take any major steps forward because of their various They were overjoyed that Russia wouldn't catch up with them etc. but they didn't know that they shot themselves in the foot because of the economic condition of Russia since the start of the war Various countries have imposed restrictions on them, as a result of which their production has not stopped and the annual growth rate of production etc. has increased much more. Their economic condition is better than before Currently, their economic status is above about 64% which was lower earlier
After the start of the war in Russia, the European countries that had oil markets were not buying oil due to the embargo on the state, which they thought would make them unable to sell oil to Russia.But Russia's oil sales have increased since their sanctions because China and India, Russia's biggest oil buyers, are now buying several times more oil than they used to As a result of the purchase, Russia's economy is getting stronger
Economists who claim that Russia's exports have decreased as a result of the war, more than half of them are economists in the Western world, I do not think are correct because Russia's current economic situation is on It is a special day for Russia because of the good war, it has deepened its relations with many countries that were not possible before, especially with the region.European countries tried and failed to shut down the pipelines with which Russia used to export oil to various countries.Many countries, including Germany, Poland, could not stop pipelines such as Nord Steam One, Nord Steam Two, etc.Russia's economic situation is not so weak that a few states can bring them down with sanctions, they will never stand up and continue to infuriate Russia and escalate the war is helping and Russia is attacking harder and showing its power which sees the western world in misery, and they will be left wondering what to do if not their economic Such doctrines are expressed.Any war helps change a country either for better or for worse In the case of Russia, there is a bright side We may see more sanctions ahead, but I don't see that as an end to the war because the Russian president said yesterday that the West is unethically putting forward various proposals that It is possible for Russia to accept
Finally I can say that the Russian economy will not suffer from the loss of exports because the disaster will not only happen to Russia but also to the Western world and the damage will be long-term The underdeveloped and developing countries will suffer the most, so it is most important to stop the war and if Russia's exports return to normal with all countries, the wheels of the world economy will continue to spin beautifully It is possible to recover from the disaster that has been caused by Covid-19.
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The rules and regulations are ours to establish. We can modify them if things need to be fixed. Suppose the US and EU do not use sanctions to restrain Russia's rise. Russia will quickly level Ukraine. I don't know what this campaign means. But Russia is destroying Ukraine and its innocent people. It is affecting the global economy. Putin also announced the withdrawal of Russia from the New START Treaty. What do you think if Russia used nuclear weapons?
Russia and Ukraine should sit at the negotiating table to make things better.

First of all I apologize for intruding on your conversation, secondly - unfortunately your idea doesn't make sense.
I'll even explain.
This war has no logical explanation. No, there are a lot of monthly changing "official reasons" from the talking heads in the Kremlin. But we all realize that these are attempts to justify their crimes and manipulate their masses of population.
This war has one idea and one goal. The idea is Putin's manic fear of Ukraine as an example of what to do with an idiot president. This is what I mean about 2013-2014 when the people of Ukraine legally deposed the criminal president Yanukovych who was building the same power scheme in Ukraine as had already been built in Russia. And Putin's goal is the same - to DESTROY Ukraine so that the Kremlin slaves will always forget about it.
Plus he has played the game and decided that he is GOD on earth and can do whatever he wants and nothing will happen to him for it. You may remember Moldova, Azerbaijan, Ichkeria, Georgia. Until then, the whole world sat by and watched in silence...
And most importantly, if you look at the treaties and commitments that Russia has signed from 2000 to today - most of them, Russia just... FORGOT and violated them. I will just remind you of RUSSIA's obligations under the Budapest Memorandum, as well as the many interstate treaties between Ukraine and Russia "on friendship and good-neighborliness" and "on respect, acceptance of borders and independence" - which Russia also forgot and ignored in 2014.
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Russia's war is artificial because when the war started the West thought they had won and Russia would not be able to take any major steps forward because of their various They were overjoyed that Russia wouldn't catch up with them etc. but they didn't know that they shot themselves in the foot because of the economic condition of Russia since the start of the war Various countries have imposed restrictions on them, as a result of which their production has not stopped and the annual growth rate of production etc. has increased much more. Their economic condition is better than before Currently, their economic status is above about 64% which was lower earlier
After the start of the war in Russia, the European countries that had oil markets were not buying oil due to the embargo on the state, which they thought would make them unable to sell oil to Russia.But Russia's oil sales have increased since their sanctions because China and India, Russia's biggest oil buyers, are now buying several times more oil than they used to As a result of the purchase, Russia's economy is getting stronger
Economists who claim that Russia's exports have decreased as a result of the war, more than half of them are economists in the Western world, I do not think are correct because Russia's current economic situation is on It is a special day for Russia because of the good war, it has deepened its relations with many countries that were not possible before, especially with the region.European countries tried and failed to shut down the pipelines with which Russia used to export oil to various countries.Many countries, including Germany, Poland, could not stop pipelines such as Nord Steam One, Nord Steam Two, etc.Russia's economic situation is not so weak that a few states can bring them down with sanctions, they will never stand up and continue to infuriate Russia and escalate the war is helping and Russia is attacking harder and showing its power which sees the western world in misery, and they will be left wondering what to do if not their economic Such doctrines are expressed.Any war helps change a country either for better or for worse In the case of Russia, there is a bright side We may see more sanctions ahead, but I don't see that as an end to the war because the Russian president said yesterday that the West is unethically putting forward various proposals that It is possible for Russia to accept
Finally I can say that the Russian economy will not suffer from the loss of exports because the disaster will not only happen to Russia but also to the Western world and the damage will be long-term The underdeveloped and developing countries will suffer the most, so it is most important to stop the war and if Russia's exports return to normal with all countries, the wheels of the world economy will continue to spin beautifully It is possible to recover from the disaster that has been caused by Covid-19.
I'm happy to say that I read everything, but it was challenging to read due to the way you worded it. Your examination of Russia's economic stability following Western sanctions lacks the acuity needed for an informed discussion on global economics

It is oversimplified to claim that Russia's economy is stronger just because China and India have increased their oil purchases from the country. Your assertion that Russia's economic position is better than it was is also untrue; macroeconomic statistics point in a different direction. Turning to Asian markets alone won't be enough to counteract the long-term economic effects of being shut off from Western banking institutions

The ramifications of geopolitical movements are incredibly unexpected and don't always follow the whims of state leaders or even conventional economic theories, as someone who has a significant investment in decentralized systems like Bitcoin, I can assure you.

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Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.
If the international economic sanctions imposed on Russia because of its military attack on Ukraine seem absurd to you, because they do not give the desired effect, offer your options on how to get Russia to stop killing Ukrainians and return to compliance with international norms and rules of conduct. International institutions such as the UN are currently incapacitated. The UN, which is called upon to respond quickly to such acts of aggression, cannot even condemn Russia's actions, let alone expel it from the Security Council, if only because the Russian Federation is illegally in the UN, since no one is in this organization did not accept.
The rules and regulations are ours to establish. We can modify them if things need to be fixed. Suppose the US and EU do not use sanctions to restrain Russia's rise. Russia will quickly level Ukraine. I don't know what this campaign means. But Russia is destroying Ukraine and its innocent people. It is affecting the global economy. Putin also announced the withdrawal of Russia from the New START Treaty. What do you think if Russia used nuclear weapons?
Russia and Ukraine should sit at the negotiating table to make things better.
Now the UN cannot even condemn Russia’s aggressive and piracy actions towards Ukraine, since Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council of this international organization and blocks all decisions it does not like. This is absolutely wrong and needs to be corrected, but it is impossible to correct it since Russia is against any UN decisions directed against it. This is a complete collapse of the UN as a permanent body and does not fulfill its functions.

If Russia uses nuclear weapons, it will not change anything, but the situation will sharply worsen for everyone, including Russia. Countries such as the USA, China, and India have long warned Russia not to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Therefore, if Putin decides to do this, Russia will definitely find himself in complete diplomatic and economic isolation. And the consequences of a nuclear explosion will be very negative both for Russia itself and for Europe, which are difficult to calculate in advance. But this will not change anything for Ukraine; it will still defend itself, but it will be more difficult for Russia to attack it.

The Ukrainian government has already stated that Ukraine will not negotiate with the current Putin regime, since Putin does not comply with any agreements. In addition, Putin perceives any negotiations as a manifestation of the weakness of the other side and all his negotiations boil down to the demand for the actual capitulation of Ukraine and the presentation of territorial claims to it, which is unacceptable for Ukraine.

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Now the UN cannot even condemn Russia’s aggressive and piracy actions towards Ukraine, since Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council of this international organization and blocks all decisions it does not like. This is absolutely wrong and needs to be corrected, but it is impossible to correct it since Russia is against any UN decisions directed against it. This is a complete collapse of the UN as a permanent body and does not fulfill its functions.

If Russia uses nuclear weapons, it will not change anything, but the situation will sharply worsen for everyone, including Russia. Countries such as the USA, China, and India have long warned Russia not to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Therefore, if Putin decides to do this, Russia will definitely find himself in complete diplomatic and economic isolation. And the consequences of a nuclear explosion will be very negative both for Russia itself and for Europe, which are difficult to calculate in advance. But this will not change anything for Ukraine; it will still defend itself, but it will be more difficult for Russia to attack it.

The Ukrainian government has already stated that Ukraine will not negotiate with the current Putin regime, since Putin does not comply with any agreements. In addition, Putin perceives any negotiations as a manifestation of the weakness of the other side and all his negotiations boil down to the demand for the actual capitulation of Ukraine and the presentation of territorial claims to it, which is unacceptable for Ukraine.

In order to understand what the UN is, and how corrupt it is, and how it is a corrupt organization that does not fulfill its goals at all, a little information is in order:
BILD claims to have gained access to a secret letter from UN Secretary-General Guterres to Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

In it, Guterres offers Russia:
- Bypass sanctions imposed on the Russian agricultural bank;
- Insurance of ships against Ukrainian attacks;
- Assistance in unblocking frozen fertilizer assets;
- Permission to enter European ports with its products.

Reference to the source: https://m.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/guterres-und-lawrow-schmieden-finsteren-plan-un-komplott-soll-aggressor-russland-85328612.bildMobile.html

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Invasion war to Ukraine still interested topic for discussing and reason why several European Union suspend with Russia from all sector, not only with economic side but also all kinds of Russia's sport have been banned.

It is the most shameful thing the US and EU have done, showing their stalemate in the war against Russia. I remember in all sports, especially football, they always uphold and uphold the spirit of not discriminating against race, color and putting politics aside to get the most fairness. But then, the US and the EU did things that were contrary to the principles and rules they had set for themselves.
The aim is to isolate Russia in the first place, with the aim of influencing it to change its positions. And I support this position if it had real results in reality, but we notice that the Russian government does not care about these measures and continues its policies of obstinacy, indifferent to the direct impact of this on its people in its various segments, especially those outside Russia.
At the same time, I find that it is an absurd measure, since it did not achieve results in previous experiences with Iran, for example, or Israel, since preventing it from major international events did not deter it from the atrocities it is carrying out.
If the international economic sanctions imposed on Russia because of its military attack on Ukraine seem absurd to you, because they do not give the desired effect, offer your options on how to get Russia to stop killing Ukrainians and return to compliance with international norms and rules of conduct. International institutions such as the UN are currently incapacitated. The UN, which is called upon to respond quickly to such acts of aggression, cannot even condemn Russia's actions, let alone expel it from the Security Council, if only because the Russian Federation is illegally in the UN, since no one is in this organization did not accept.
It can be considered that the confrontation this time was between equal forces, such that neither party could completely weaken the other. The sanctions failed to dissuade Russia from war despite their significant negative impact on the Russian economy, given that Europe is the most useful market for Russia. But the Western powers did not take into account Russia's vital role in the region and the world. With the expansion of Russian alliances around the world, Europe will isolate itself if it continues its policy of sanctions.
Today, Russia has ten important partners within the BRICS alliance alone, and they are the largest economies distributed across the three largest continents: Asia, Africa, and South America. This will further tighten the pressure on European countries.
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It can be considered that the confrontation this time was between equal forces, such that neither party could completely weaken the other. The sanctions failed to dissuade Russia from war despite their significant negative impact on the Russian economy, given that Europe is the most useful market for Russia. But the Western powers did not take into account Russia's vital role in the region and the world. With the expansion of Russian alliances around the world, Europe will isolate itself if it continues its policy of sanctions.
Today, Russia has ten important partners within the BRICS alliance alone, and they are the largest economies distributed across the three largest continents: Asia, Africa, and South America. This will further tighten the pressure on European countries.

I have to say you're wrong.
Russia has lost any value it may have had. At the moment it is just a raw material appendage of China and India, which using the situation "screwed" Russia, buying oil from it for fancy money, refining it and selling it to the EU for Euros and dollars.

No one in BRICS takes Russia seriously as a world leader, as they understand its toxicity. There are a couple of countries that are "friends" for the money Russia gives them.... But friendship will end as soon as the flow of "gifts" dries up.  Russia is not creating any alliances, at the moment it is trying to destabilize other regions in its usual manner, this is a classic terrorist tactic.

In BRICS and "global south" now the key player is INDIA, and no one mentions Russia as even slightly significant participant.

The only thing russia is valuable for is lake Baikal. it is the largest storehouse of drinking water in the world. But it's starting to take over. China, which will break Russia's back if it doesn't give this resource to China. Moreover, Russia itself has given China an excuse to talk about "historical territories of China", which for the time being, temporarily belong to Russia Smiley

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On the other hand, Ukraine, although slowly, is being supplied by other countries with the latest weapons. On the way, by the end of the year, already the first fifty F-16 fighters. If Ukraine has been quite successful in this year and a half with 120 obsolete Soviet aircraft,
Sorry for going OT but I wonder what aircraft you consider "obsolete", specially when you compare it with F-16 which you refer to as "latest weapons"!!!
The fighter jets that Ukraine has/had were MiG-29 (introduced on 1983), Su-24 (1974), Su-25 (1981), Su-27 (1984). None of these are considered obsolete specially when compared with F-16 (introduced 1978)! which is older than 90% of what Ukraine had before!

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September 17, 2023, 07:31:46 PM
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It can be considered that the confrontation this time was between equal forces, such that neither party could completely weaken the other. The sanctions failed to dissuade Russia from war despite their significant negative impact on the Russian economy, given that Europe is the most useful market for Russia. But the Western powers did not take into account Russia's vital role in the region and the world. With the expansion of Russian alliances around the world, Europe will isolate itself if it continues its policy of sanctions.
Today, Russia has ten important partners within the BRICS alliance alone, and they are the largest economies distributed across the three largest continents: Asia, Africa, and South America. This will further tighten the pressure on European countries.

I have to say you're wrong.
Russia has lost any value it may have had. At the moment it is just a raw material appendage of China and India, which using the situation "screwed" Russia, buying oil from it for fancy money, refining it and selling it to the EU for Euros and dollars.

No one in BRICS takes Russia seriously as a world leader, as they understand its toxicity. There are a couple of countries that are "friends" for the money Russia gives them.... But friendship will end as soon as the flow of "gifts" dries up.  Russia is not creating any alliances, at the moment it is trying to destabilize other regions in its usual manner, this is a classic terrorist tactic.

Here the rule “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” can be used, since China, India, and any other country that buys Russian products at low prices will sell them to the countries that need them (Europe) at very high prices. For Russia to sell these products at very low prices could serve its goals for the following reasons:
- It has surplus production that it must dispose of at any price, in addition to the fact that China and India are distant regions, and the cost of transportation is what reduces the price the most.
- It sells these products to its allies who are in an undeclared confrontation with Europe and NATO.
- In the best cases, Europe will be forced to buy Russian products through an intermediary at high prices, which is better than getting nothing.
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September 17, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
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Russia in theory could ask Cuba how to survive for decades isolated from the world and manage anyway.   The scenario where Russia carries on with its economy regardless is more then viable its just we dont think they will do as well in isolation, of course trade will carry on but in some impaired way.  Even in oil and gas which is their strong point and in demand, Russia lacks proper development & efficiency that would come from involvement internationally to improve all their assets; same is true of many countries like Iraq has failed to invest in its oil fields for decades and they are worse off from that failure in efficiency.    Some commodity projects can take an entire decade to start and establish, this war is destroying their ability to start what is already overdue in addition to other failures the list must be enough to fill a book by now.
  I do think Russia loses far more then it could have gained from any success in this war, I'd say the same of almost any country its better to do plain business then kill and hope for profit from destruction.  Only a singularly small minded person would think otherwise, for an entire nation a giant country growing in size like Russia its definitely true they are far worse off as a people with war , death and waste.  There was no need to conqueror any country when they are already seeing large land gains from the permafrost melting, thats a giant change and they already lack the people, resources, creative companies to make the most of that.

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