Betting Bots and Simulators

[Gianluca95]

Why I should use a betting bots for the Dice, if the fun mode is to see the Dice that turns in your favour? 

I've seen some strategy not much time ago, But I wasn't really happy about that, considering that in the long term casinò will always beat you.

The betting bots are nice for the long run, lets's say, you want to hit a x10,000 in 5k bets, do 5k bet manually is a complex task, that's why betting bots are nice, and more if you want to add parameters, like increase the bet by 0.01% each bet, that way we can chase a nice win for the long run.

The last bot I run was chasing the x250... divide the balance by 1000 and bet that amount, if the balance drops 10% then increase the bet with the sum of bet+(bet/100).

This was the result:

I'm seriously doubtful about this method of earning. I'll check with attention, and I'll let you know.

I don't like to play with that stake, usually I play max at 5x, but with my hand. (Just to say, I'll do it only for fun, not for earning, just to see how it works)

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[bitbollo]

this experiment is interesting and I think it's really useful for educational purpose because at the end of each run you will obtain only the proper distribution of data.

I mean, if you play with higher stakes (x100) you will get so far the result expected... likewise
1 of 100 simulation will probably hit the x100
99 of 100 simulation will not hit this result.

What it could be another usage?

[jaberwock]

There is one made from them https://bcgame-project.github.io/verify/crash.html i just take a look at their provably fair engine and i don't like it at all because they know the result from the future bets, they can't modify it, but the casino could take the money from the investors this way.

This one is only for the crash game right ? I guess you made this one for the dice game.

Also, even if they knew the results of the future bets how can they use it to their favor ?
It's not like they are changing the odds or something ? Could you please elaborate as it might help a lot of us.

Same I still wonder what they can do with it. Also, there are so many players inside that casino and I don't think that all of their outcomes are going to be the same. They can monitor all of it? and maybe they can do something like crash the page for a while or making it temporarily unavailable so that the player can skip that next winning bet? About the odds, for sure they can modify this because each casino are promoted with a different set of odds, it can be high or low but that would be completely cheating if they do that stuffs. Thanks for exposing this though

@seoincorporation
If ever we are a player of this site and in case there is a strange thing that is happening with the way we bet, we already know the reason behind it.

[seoincorporation]

There is one made from them https://bcgame-project.github.io/verify/crash.html i just take a look at their provably fair engine and i don't like it at all because they know the result from the future bets, they can't modify it, but the casino could take the money from the investors this way.

This one is only for the crash game right ? I guess you made this one for the dice game.

Also, even if they knew the results of the future bets how can they use it to their favor ?
It's not like they are changing the odds or something ? Could you please elaborate as it might help a lot of us.

Same I still wonder what they can do with it. Also, there are so many players inside that casino and I don't think that all of their outcomes are going to be the same. They can monitor all of it? and maybe they can do something like crash the page for a while or making it temporarily unavailable so that the player can skip that next winning bet? About the odds, for sure they can modify this because each casino are promoted with a different set of odds, it can be high or low but that would be completely cheating if they do that stuffs. Thanks for exposing this though

@seoincorporation
If ever we are a player of this site and in case there is a strange thing that is happening with the way we bet, we already know the reason behind it.

This is another topic mate but I'm happy to explain my point of view.

The only ones at risk on BC casino are the investors since the developers know the next result they could place a bet with the knowledge that they will win or lose, and they don't have to take all the money from the bankroll.  If the site is in profit bigger than the house edge, then they can place winning bets to adjust that part and take the money to they pocked.

I want to be clear on this point, I'm not saying they are cheating their investors, but with their current provably fair engine they can.

[Jody.Drummer]

Thanks OP, this will be my watchlist for bots in dice games. Maybe as an alternative to try. Of course bots for games especially in dice games can be more useful when I want to go out and let the bot run to run a few rounds of commands. I think this initiative needs to be tested so we know its effectiveness.

[Zackgeno96]

The idea itself can work well I think with such bots. The only problem is that no tactic or strategy is profitable without risk. So whether you use a bot or not, you will always risk losing money. With poker, such bots are also used to assess and analyze hands. In the end things like this can really work, but you have to use your own mind as well and try to combine this.

[DoublerHunter]

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I think this initiative needs to be tested so we know its effectiveness.

^ I think I agree with this idea, why not you will allow other users here to test your dice bot for free even just a 1 day, if your project has this kind of feature much better because usually, gamblers will believe once they tested. For sure there are a lot of gamblers here who wanted to try that bot and how it is effective but some don't have a budget which is why they prefer to play dice manually. I want to try it too to myself but if OP allow to give a free test on his bot.

[seoincorporation]

~snip~
I think this initiative needs to be tested so we know its effectiveness.

^ I think I agree with this idea, why not you will allow other users here to test your dice bot for free even just a 1 day, if your project has this kind of feature much better because usually, gamblers will believe once they tested. For sure there are a lot of gamblers here who wanted to try that bot and how it is effective but some don't have a budget which is why they prefer to play dice manually. I want to try it too to myself but if OP allow to give a free test on his bot.

These bots are free my friend, you can find them in the bots section of the site:
https://justdice.lucky.lat/bot.html

I uploaded an image of the bets I get with each bot. That way you will have a clear idea about how it works.

If you click on the 'get code' link you will have to wait like 8 seconds, and after that, you will be redirected to a Pastebin with the code.

[Mauser]

That's an awesome project, thanks a lot already for the work you put in. Running some simulation on our strategies is a good idea and can help to see if it's profitable in the long run or not. I am not sure how much work it is for you to add additional casinos, would be nice to see all the major crypto casinos in your website. In the past I ran some simulation on Excel, but these were not based on direct casino seeds, rather on some simple probability calculations. We know all the winning chances of the games and can build strategies on that, using exact casino rounds is much more precise. Of course this is always an simulation only, and even the best strategy build from simulations is no guarantee that we will make money from it. It's a good indication and validation for our stragies. Now I am wondering if you could actually make money with your site  

[seoincorporation]

I don't like to play with that stake, usually I play max at 5x, but with my hand. (Just to say, I'll do it only for fun, not for earning, just to see how it works)

I run the bots just for fun too, and with the right luck you can get some impressive multipliers like the x2475 that I hit today:

That's an awesome project, thanks a lot already for the work you put in. Running some simulation on our strategies is a good idea and can help to see if it's profitable in the long run or not. I am not sure how much work it is for you to add additional casinos, would be nice to see all the major crypto casinos in your website. In the past I ran some simulation on Excel, but these were not based on direct casino seeds, rather on some simple probability calculations. We know all the winning chances of the games and can build strategies on that, using exact casino rounds is much more precise. Of course this is always an simulation only, and even the best strategy build from simulations is no guarantee that we will make money from it. It's a good indication and validation for our stragies. Now I am wondering if you could actually make money with your site  

I'm open to growing this service by adding new casinos, It's a task that will take some time but now is on my 'To Do' list.

The cool thing about using the same seed as the casino is that we can see how the future rolls would be with that seed, I did the test with the x2475 and get this result.

The first one was at bet 1342, and I was lucky, but if you see there was a bad streak on the next 3 shots, all of them take between 5,000 and 9,000 bets   so, as I mention before, you need luck to win, with or without a but luck is the main fact in gambling.

By the way, I just updated the site with this Jackpot bot, I hope you all have the same luck that I had with it and get that multiplier fast.

[Agbe]

If the casino is provably fair, you can take the server seed, the user seed, and the nonce to see the result of the next X shots. This process is called bet verification. But we can't use it to predict the next results on the casino because the server seed is hidden, and the right way to see the real seed is by requesting a new hidden one to make public the past one.

How can one get all these keys to unlock the system (server)? Because from what you explained it is a very good idea to verify before gambling a casino games site and if possible to know the next game for your choice but according to you, we can not use to predict the next game base and n it that the key in the server is hidden, so if the key his hidden, what shall we do to see the hidden keys. Even the boot is like fun although, normal game bots are for entertainment or funs with friends. Your just-diçe is a nice project and the site awesome. I will like to test your games to know the authenticity of the site because I have confidence in you because I have seen your reputation in the forum. The bot is not opening from my end. Is it network issue or from your server? Although I have network challenges in my location these days. Anytime when I have strong network I will check the bot

[seoincorporation]

How can one get all these keys to unlock the system (server)? Because from what you explained it is a very good idea to verify before gambling a casino games site and if possible to know the next game for your choice but according to you, we can not use to predict the next game base and n it that the key in the server is hidden, so if the key his hidden, what shall we do to see the hidden keys. Even the boot is like fun although, normal game bots are for entertainment or funs with friends. Your just-diçe is a nice project and the site awesome. I will like to test your games to know the authenticity of the site because I have confidence in you because I have seen your reputation in the forum. The bot is not opening from my end. Is it network issue or from your server? Although I have network challenges in my location these days. Anytime when I have strong network I will check the bot

Hello Agbe, let me explain how to get the data for the provably fair and how it works.

The site will provide a hash of the server seed... and the server seed will be hidden until we get a new seed... it looks like this way:

If we want to verify that bet, we need to know the server seed, so, we move to the 'Radomize' button to ask for a new seed:

And when we go back to the bet information, now the secret seed is revealed.

And with that information we can use my bet verification to validate the bet:

server seed: juBa1RpvUBY30AtRyErgIb97lrjH6QHly8kyzX7QANG8z8qvnNZPW.sUg6SmHFB6
client seed: gg6
nonce: 8563

And that's how the verification works my friend, I hope it's clear now for you

I will keep working on this verifier and simulation code, expect a huge update soon guys.

[Hispo]

This is quite an interesting project you are working on!
May I ask how much time you have invested into this simulator? What coding language did you use?

Also, what are the basic maintenance you are supposed to perform on this simulator so it can run correctly according to the seed of the casino? I assume it is matter of updating the seed which the simulator is running, right?

I have personally been interested on working on crypto projects as well, simulators included but I am afraid I have not had enough time to do so. 

[paxmao]

There is one made from them https://bcgame-project.github.io/verify/crash.html i just take a look at their provably fair engine and i don't like it at all because they know the result from the future bets, they can't modify it, but the casino could take the money from the investors this way.

This one is only for the crash game right ? I guess you made this one for the dice game.

Also, even if they knew the results of the future bets how can they use it to their favor ?
It's not like they are changing the odds or something ? Could you please elaborate as it might help a lot of us.

Same I still wonder what they can do with it. Also, there are so many players inside that casino and I don't think that all of their outcomes are going to be the same. They can monitor all of it? and maybe they can do something like crash the page for a while or making it temporarily unavailable so that the player can skip that next winning bet? About the odds, for sure they can modify this because each casino are promoted with a different set of odds, it can be high or low but that would be completely cheating if they do that stuffs. Thanks for exposing this though

@seoincorporation
If ever we are a player of this site and in case there is a strange thing that is happening with the way we bet, we already know the reason behind it.

This is another topic mate but I'm happy to explain my point of view.

The only ones at risk on BC casino are the investors since the developers know the next result they could place a bet with the knowledge that they will win or lose, and they don't have to take all the money from the bankroll.  If the site is in profit bigger than the house edge, then they can place winning bets to adjust that part and take the money to they pocked.

I want to be clear on this point, I'm not saying they are cheating their investors, but with their current provably fair engine they can.

My starting point of analysis to any "system" is that it is in all likelyhood, a bad idea and comes from a misconception or a mathematical mistake. On this case it seems exactly that. To be honest, I have only seen two "methods" to beat the casinos that actually work. The first one was based on detecting irregularities in roulettes in physical casinos, the other is in sports betting based on wrong odds settings.

[danadc]

There are things that I don't know what a bot can do in a casino, if I use a bot in a casino it is so that it tells me which are the moves that I have to make, and I don't think there is one like that, I don't care if the bot get codes, if I don't program how could I make changes? I don't see much use for this bot thing, what takes away is all the emotion of playing and earning that they eliminate the account for cheating.

[seoincorporation]

This is quite an interesting project you are working on!
May I ask how much time you have invested into this simulator? What coding language did you use?

Also, what are the basic maintenance you are supposed to perform on this simulator so it can run correctly according to the seed of the casino? I assume it is matter of updating the seed which the simulator is running, right?

I have personally been interested on working on crypto projects as well, simulators included but I am afraid I have not had enough time to do so. 

This is the second vesion of the simulator... the first one was made for luckybit, and each one takes me a couple of days to develop. For them i'm using JS to build the tables and do the math.

The current one is working fine, as you can see on the images of my last post the seed's and the nonce gives the same result as the casino.

There was no maintenance, but right now i'm working on a better version, i want to build something big with multiple casinos and not only JD.

My starting point of analysis to any "system" is that it is in all likelyhood, a bad idea and comes from a misconception or a mathematical mistake. On this case it seems exactly that. To be honest, I have only seen two "methods" to beat the casinos that actually work. The first one was based on detecting irregularities in roulettes in physical casinos, the other is in sports betting based on wrong odds settings.

Hey paxmao, there are other ways, as i always say, we can't always win, but we can't always lose... You need to trust in your luck some time. And then run bots for the long run. I have been hitting multipliers like x7000, x99,000, x10,000 in the past 2 weeks. Is what i decide after running some simulations and now after 152,500 bets i'm in profit.

There are things that I don't know what a bot can do in a casino, if I use a bot in a casino it is so that it tells me which are the moves that I have to make, and I don't think there is one like that, I don't care if the bot get codes, if I don't program how could I make changes? I don't see much use for this bot thing, what takes away is all the emotion of playing and earning that they eliminate the account for cheating.

If you have a betting logic i can create the bot for you

[pawanjain]

My starting point of analysis to any "system" is that it is in all likelyhood, a bad idea and comes from a misconception or a mathematical mistake. On this case it seems exactly that. To be honest, I have only seen two "methods" to beat the casinos that actually work. The first one was based on detecting irregularities in roulettes in physical casinos, the other is in sports betting based on wrong odds settings.

Hey paxmao, there are other ways, as i always say, we can't always win, but we can't always lose... You need to trust in your luck some time. And then run bots for the long run. I have been hitting multipliers like x7000, x99,000, x10,000 in the past 2 weeks. Is what i decide after running some simulations and now after 152,500 bets i'm in profit.

Damn, those are some nice high multipliers you have there. Can you tell us how did your bot help you in hitting these multipliers.
Or are these just of luck?

There are things that I don't know what a bot can do in a casino, if I use a bot in a casino it is so that it tells me which are the moves that I have to make, and I don't think there is one like that, I don't care if the bot get codes, if I don't program how could I make changes? I don't see much use for this bot thing, what takes away is all the emotion of playing and earning that they eliminate the account for cheating.

If you have a betting logic i can create the bot for you

I think danadc wants to have a customizable option to control the bot. He doesn't want the bot to be dependent on it's developer for a change in strategy.
But in this case, your bot is just a simulator of the bets. So there's no need for a change of strategy in here right.

[Hispo]

This is quite an interesting project you are working on!
May I ask how much time you have invested into this simulator? What coding language did you use?

Also, what are the basic maintenance you are supposed to perform on this simulator so it can run correctly according to the seed of the casino? I assume it is matter of updating the seed which the simulator is running, right?

I have personally been interested on working on crypto projects as well, simulators included but I am afraid I have not had enough time to do so. 

This is the second vesion of the simulator... the first one was made for luckybit, and each one takes me a couple of days to develop. For them i'm using JS to build the tables and do the math.

The current one is working fine, as you can see on the images of my last post the seed's and the nonce gives the same result as the casino.

There was no maintenance, but right now i'm working on a better version, i want to build something big with multiple casinos and not only JD.

Only two days ? That sounds quite efficient.
Obviously, if you have the chance, you should include those casinos with most volume or those that are more popular among the forum users, so your project would gain even more attention and support from all of us.

Who knows, perhaps when it gets more sofisticated, you could include a donation address for Satoshis and CLAMS.

Keep us updated.

[seoincorporation]

Damn, those are some nice high multipliers you have there. Can you tell us how did your bot help you in hitting these multipliers.
Or are these just of luck?

I think danadc wants to have a customizable option to control the bot. He doesn't want the bot to be dependent on it's developer for a change in strategy.
But in this case, your bot is just a simulator of the bets. So there's no need for a change of strategy in here right.

Here we are talking about two projects mate, one is the betting bot, and another one is the bets simulator. The betting bot helped me to hit this huge multipliers by 'Brute force'... I mean place 50,000 bets by clicks could be a nightmare. And the simulator is to see how bad things could go in the long run.

Only two days ? That sounds quite efficient.
Obviously, if you have the chance, you should include those casinos with most volume or those that are more popular among the forum users, so your project would gain even more attention and support from all of us.

Who knows, perhaps when it gets more sofisticated, you could include a donation address for Satoshis and CLAMS.

Keep us updated.

Two days because i get stuck in a weird part of the provably fair engine... When you take the first 5 chars of the string and the decimal result is over 1M then you need to go for the next 5 chars in the string until you find a number lower than 1M, and it's possible because the last string is only 3 chars, but get at that point is almost impossible.