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June 10, 2022, 03:27:42 PM
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I can't imagine any other cryptocurrency as the main cryptocurrency because of Bitcoin's nature and decentralization. Almost all other cryptocurrency isn't truly decentralized. And Bitcoin won't be a national currency of a country by replacing native fiat. Native fiat or CBDC always should control by the government. Everything won't be decentralized in the world. So don't expect to replace fiat with cryptocurrency and replace Bitcoin with another altcoin.
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June 11, 2022, 11:18:35 AM
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It looks like any cryptocurrency will not be able to replace current FIAT because any of them is finite. "Money" should have an unlimited future because the number of inhabitants of the planet is increasing and the socially produced product is increasing. Now bitcoin is more like a reserved commodity for part of the population. Those who do not buy bitcoin will be able to use other cryptocurrencies. It seems that the currency that will be in circulation and will be affordable, that currency will have a chance to become the main cryptocurrency in the future.
I think to replace a fiat, supply won't matter at all but what    important is that it can function like a currency. Cryptos are a perfect example for this. I don't know what unlimited future you are talking about but maybe you mean is unlimited supply? But, you are right that bitcoin is also treated as a reserved commodity.

We have so many cryptos and not all that that join cryptos are a fan of btc but they can choose other cryptos that they like the most. As long as the cryptos are alive, they can circulate but there is only one main crypto here and that is btc. It is said to be the currency of the future. It's still up to the people if how will they use their btc, either as a currency or a commodity.

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June 11, 2022, 11:37:34 AM
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The governments of this world are protecting Fiat currencies, so they will not allow Bitcoin to become a global currency. They started doing that, when they defined Bitcoin as a "Commodity" and not as a currency.

The countries that accepted Bitcoin as a currency (legal tender) has faced severe push back from the IMF and other western organizations that are being controlled by "Puppet Masters" (Super Rich people)

Bitcoin can only replace Fiat currencies when people see the evil forces behind Fiat currencies and how it is being used to control people. (Use your vote to change the status quo)  Sad

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June 11, 2022, 12:04:11 PM
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The governments of this world are protecting Fiat currencies, so they will not allow Bitcoin to become a global currency. They started doing that, when they defined Bitcoin as a "Commodity" and not as a currency.

The countries that accepted Bitcoin as a currency (legal tender) has faced severe push back from the IMF and other western organizations that are being controlled by "Puppet Masters" (Super Rich people)

Bitcoin can only replace Fiat currencies when people see the evil forces behind Fiat currencies and how it is being used to control people. (Use your vote to change the status quo)  Sad

That is so true. It's more like the governments have adopted the fiat currency so much because they know they are in total control of the money in their country.
This is the main reason why most countries are against cryptocurrencies.
Even if they decide to use cryptocurrencies im future I am quite sure that they will create their own CBDC and hence have more control on it.
For bitcoin to be adopted by the whole world there should be some kind of self realisation that the governments are trying to stay in control of people's money.
This is far from happening and so I think fiat is here to stay forever.

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June 11, 2022, 12:07:34 PM
Last edit: June 11, 2022, 12:54:44 PM by tadamichi
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It looks like any cryptocurrency will not be able to replace current FIAT because any of them is finite. "Money" should have an unlimited future because the number of inhabitants of the planet is increasing and the socially produced product is increasing.

Beginner mistake:

1. There’s nations with declining populations, yet their money supply is still increasing and not adjusted, because these 2 aren’t correlated.

2. The economic output can also decrease, nothing goes up forever, yet no adjustments will ever be made to the increasing money supply, till it crashes.

3. Resources on earth are actually finite, as well as the lifespan of human life, so why do you have a problem, when the representation of these two things get nominated in something finite?

Every time the money supply increases it actually devalues the time and resources a person has spent/ gathered over the years, and gives it to someone who didn’t work for it. Does it still sound smart?

And to the point by what Bitcoin is backed by, we can also ask what Gold is backed by? The laws of the universe give gold it’s properties. And the same way Bitcoin has certain properties that are valuable, are ensured by the network.

Also when we’re creating money we’re essentially trying to solve a human problem. Taking something from nature(like gold) and trying to make it work for us, can be inefficient. That’s why gold failed. Then came Fiat which is entirely a human construct(had some advantages), but failed too. And now we came up with a better solution that is Bitcoin. Just because something is architected to fit our needs, doesn’t mean it’s bad just because it’s not used for other things.

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June 12, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
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It can be a commodity, currency or an exchange asset. It is upto the user who makes use of it. We can't get into conclusion with a specific term for the future of bitcoin. It have got multiple usage which is the best of bitcoin.

Very few countries have considered it a legal tender whereas majority have considered it similar to the gold and other commodity. Nowadays the countries have begun to regulate the usage of cryptocurrency usage, and this assure the future of bitcoin to be good. Because, most of the countries that are against bitcoin are now considering its good and making regulations/policies for flawless functioning.

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June 12, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
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It can be a commodity, currency or an exchange asset. It is upto the user who makes use of it. We can't get into conclusion with a specific term for the future of bitcoin. It have got multiple usage which is the best of bitcoin.

Very few countries have considered it a legal tender whereas majority have considered it similar to the gold and other commodity. Nowadays the countries have begun to regulate the usage of cryptocurrency usage, and this assure the future of bitcoin to be good. Because, most of the countries that are against bitcoin are now considering its good and making regulations/policies for flawless functioning.

The good side is that bitcoin itself doesn't need any approbation of governments to be able to be used as a digital commodity or to be used as a payment system. As a decentralized project it gives these options to anyone and everyone interested. Government approbation just makes it easier and wider but you can use bitcoin without it as well.

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Every time the money supply increases it actually devalues the time and resources a person has spent/ gathered over the years, and gives it to someone who didn’t work for it. Does it still sound smart?

it all depends on what the influx of new money is suppose to accomplish
take the quantitive easing.

you have to remember. fiat is not intellectual property of a citizen nor the citizens patent or invention. its government property. so they are the true owner and they are the party that decide how they should gain from it.. citizens use of it is the after thought to just service their "customers"   (imagine government as a business and citizens mearly customers")
airmiles are not made to give customers value for flying. its to make airline companies more profit customers just get to use airmiles for staying loyal to the company and keep customers wanting to use the company..


what you find is at the micro level of the economics of different countries. china is actually above america already.. but when looking at the macro levels (the world bank stats) they are showing that america is only just ahead and thus america is deemed the top country in the world.
when certain things happened, america was threatened with losing its top position. it got into debt and had liabilities and china were buying that debt and treating those as chinese assets. pushing china nearly to be the worlds super power. so QE had to be done to push money into american GDP to make "america great again".
again due to the covid thing. china prospered and america declined. so more QE.
and soon it will need to be a regular occurrence.

the 2008 and the 2020 events were funds pushed to the high up elite back end systems of hidden money. which appear on the GDP but never enter the normal citizen circulation. thus it didnt cause an inflation at the citizen level of wages/goods value. but helped keep america in the top super power position

however the upcoming one will caus inflation at citizen level. and the next QE will not be to the elite hidden back end of bankers.. but instead throwing money at citizens. either as tax credits/rebates/grants. or as 'universal basic income'
(US seen the trial of this with their covid income cheques)
(UK too with its covid payments and this year is seeing this with their 'household energy grants')

all of this is to push GDP up to remain in top superpower position on world banks stats reports
it also helps keep the USD-Yuan exchange rate pegged at a healthy level to show that USD is more valuable then yuan
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QE is like creating a new altcoin of 1 trillion coins and setting the price a $1 each to instantly have a market cap of $1trillion to beat bitcoins stat of market cap to make the altcoin appear as being the top crypto coin. even if the coin is useless of utility.

if only government stooped trying to fake GDP to use such fake stats to pretend to be top super powers. and instead used money/value to help actually build a better country. then that QE funds might be worth something at all levels.

fiat is backed by laws of taxes and minimum wage. where people labour has to by law be measured in fiat and taxes paid in fiat measured in that measure. which helps keep that fiat in circulation for its citizens which reinforces its circulation..
problem is. humans can play around with those 'backed' numbers. by changing and updating min wage and tax % at a whim.. thus its rule backed but not value backed. as the value has become meaningless in fiat.

And to the point by what Bitcoin is backed by, we can also ask what Gold is backed by? The laws of the universe give gold it’s properties. And the same way Bitcoin has certain properties that are valuable, are ensured by the network.
bitcoin is backed by the rules that enforce it AND its utility AND its function of circulation AND ontop of that its underlying cost of its creation.. after all a bank note or a bank account balance of $10 does not actually cost $10 to create the unit of measure. thus the unit of fiat currency is not in its cost of the unit creation. but only in the atleast minimum labour cost of someones work to obtain the cheap paper bank note or bank balance.

Also when we’re creating money we’re essentially trying to solve a human problem. Taking something from nature(like gold) and trying to make it work for us, can be inefficient. That’s why gold failed. Then came Fiat which is entirely a human construct(had some advantages), but failed too. And now we came up with a better solution that is Bitcoin. Just because something is architected to fit our needs, doesn’t mean it’s bad just because it’s not used for other things.

gold did not fail fiat.. fiat failed gold. there was too much fiat promising an allotment of gold. but the fiat creators couldnt honour every promise(to much fractional reserve). the fiat banks just didnt have enough gold in reserves to honour their promises. fiat failed the gold standard.. gold did not fail the fiat standard

gold has value without human laws. it has an underlying real cost to acquire it with no human laws to fake in new value every time they want to tweak a number.

bitcoin has real value in its cost to acquire new coin. the laws are fixed. consensus makes it unbreakable to ensure that no human can change the law and fake the numbers.

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June 12, 2022, 04:35:30 PM
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it all depends on what the influx of new money is suppose to accomplish
True, Fiat is a wet dream for every person at the top of the ladder, but it doesn’t serve the interest of working citizens anymore, with how things have been going in the last decades.

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bitcoin is backed by the rules that enforce it and its utility of circulation and ontop of that its underlying cost of its creation.. after all a bank note or a bank account balance of $10 does not actually cost $10 to create. thus the unit of fiat currency is not in its cost of the token creation. but only in the atleast minimum labour cost of someones work to obtain the cheap paper bank note or bank balance.
What is more important tho, are the properties that define money and not solely by where the backing comes from, something digital can have better monetary properties than something like gold. It might be hard to grasp for some people.

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gold did not fail fiat.. fiat failed gold. there was too much fiat promising an allotment of gold. but the fiat creators couldnt honour every promise. the fiat banks just didnt have enough gold in reserves to honour their promises. fiat failed the gold standard.. gold did not fail the fiat standard
The gold standard failed, because systems that require trust and central authorities  to work, aren’t immutable, so it will always fails again.

But gold also failed as money for different reasons, if we define money as a system to enable indirect trade, and would even more so in the digital age(there’s already more paper gold than real gold in the world).

The only thing that speaks for gold is that its the most stable store of value in all of humankind. But it lacks so hard in portability and divisibility, that we had to end up with fiat and paper gold.

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The good side is that bitcoin itself doesn't need any approbation of governments to be able to be used as a digital commodity or to be used as a payment system. As a decentralized project it gives these options to anyone and everyone interested. Government approbation just makes it easier and wider but you can use bitcoin without it as well.
as long as you don't use bitcoin for negative things then you are not breaking the law and are completely free with your bitcoin ownership. Bitcoin does not need recognition from the government if you want to be called a currency or commodity, just use bitcoin according to your needs.

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The good side is that bitcoin itself doesn't need any approbation of governments to be able to be used as a digital commodity or to be used as a payment system. As a decentralized project it gives these options to anyone and everyone interested. Government approbation just makes it easier and wider but you can use bitcoin without it as well.
as long as you don't use bitcoin for negative things then you are not breaking the law and are completely free with your bitcoin ownership. Bitcoin does not need recognition from the government if you want to be called a currency or commodity, just use bitcoin according to your needs.
This was the main purpose of Satoshi why he/she created Bitcoin and being a decentralized digital currency give us the advantage of sending it everywhere in the world without a delay from the third-party exchange/banks. That's why Bitcoin doesn't need an approval from the government since they can't control Bitcoin.

We can't stop those people from using Bitcoin for illegal transactions and this is the disadvantage of having a decentralized crypto currency but overall it's still the best coin compared to the rest of altcoins and any hyped crypto projects.

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Bitcoin is the first crypto currency and it is most invested and highest valued crypto currency , and in some way the crypto market till date is bound with bitcoin. There are several other major crypto as well like Ethereum. But the holdings of bitcoin in market are so huge that it forms the backbone of crypto market, Just how USD forms the backbone of fiat.  Thus Bitcoin it will remain the most important crypto currency, Only some major innovation in blockchain, which provide a highly convincing solution to the problems associated with current crypto currencies can lead to emergence of a bitcoin competitor 
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It looks like any cryptocurrency will not be able to replace current FIAT because any of them is finite. "Money" should have an unlimited future because the number of inhabitants of the planet is increasing and the socially produced product is increasing. Now bitcoin is more like a reserved commodity for part of the population. Those who do not buy bitcoin will be able to use other cryptocurrencies. It seems that the currency that will be in circulation and will be affordable, that currency will have a chance to become the main cryptocurrency in the future.
Actually there is no need of money being unlimited if you can increase the value of that money and go down by it's denomination. Both the things are possible with bitcoin and other Cryptos you can go all the way upto each Satoshi and at the same time the value of a bitcoin is increasing as more users are coming in. The truth is even in fiat markets the same thing happens only that value of currency decreases and goods increases here the value of currency would increase and goods would decrease.
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June 12, 2022, 08:16:42 PM
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It looks like any cryptocurrency will not be able to replace current FIAT because any of them is finite. "Money" should have an unlimited future because the number of inhabitants of the planet is increasing and the socially produced product is increasing. Now bitcoin is more like a reserved commodity for part of the population. Those who do not buy bitcoin will be able to use other cryptocurrencies. It seems that the currency that will be in circulation and will be affordable, that currency will have a chance to become the main cryptocurrency in the future.

Currency is still doable, and something else could come up with time and research, but it takes time. And BTC maybe is just a stepping stone towards something else, it doesn't need to be the this as a final form nor do we need to be locked into it as THE thing. We can see those trends with anything else, and BTC might be what myspace was to social media or the first internet to whatever we have evolved to now.

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June 12, 2022, 10:07:13 PM
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From what I'm seeing bitcoin can not replace fiat and that's because fiat currency is a currency that Bitcoin as currency get insert of what is currency and another thing that will make Bitcoin not to take over fiat is that fiat currency is basically know and adopted by people of ancient and with what they know of cryptocurrency they will not value it.

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The good side is that bitcoin itself doesn't need any approbation of governments to be able to be used as a digital commodity or to be used as a payment system. As a decentralized project it gives these options to anyone and everyone interested. Government approbation just makes it easier and wider but you can use bitcoin without it as well.
as long as you don't use bitcoin for negative things then you are not breaking the law and are completely free with your bitcoin ownership. Bitcoin does not need recognition from the government if you want to be called a currency or commodity, just use bitcoin according to your needs.

Criminals and other bad people can use bitcoin the same way as we, but bitcoin's blockchain is transparent and all transactions can be tracked. There are several stories about how police caught criminals and used data from blockchain to prove their crimes. So as criminals can use other same things as we (table knife, baseball bat, etc.) they can use bitcoin as well but police will find them anyway and transparent blockchain will even make police's work easier. Do not be led by those who scare you that bitcoin can be used by scammers, fiat currencies are used by them much more often but we still use them and criminals should be caught anyway non depending on using what do they do their crime.

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June 14, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
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The real future for Bitcoin will come when it is accepted as money under Roman law. Bitcoin is the only crypto that has the capability of becoming money. At the moment only gold and silver coins are classed as money under Roman law. The legal standing is important in trade for a vcariety of reasons. One of which is the fact that a vendor receiving "money" in a valid legal transaction cannot have the payment taken away from him if the purchaser has acquired the money illegally. This is not true of fiat, and there was a case recently of a thief who used a stolen credit card to purchase a lottery ticket which was a £million winner. They took the fiat away from him. This is not quite the same, but the concept is similar.

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It looks like any cryptocurrency will not be able to replace current FIAT because any of them is finite. "Money" should have an unlimited future because the number of inhabitants of the planet is increasing and the socially produced product is increasing. Now bitcoin is more like a reserved commodity for part of the population. Those who do not buy bitcoin will be able to use other cryptocurrencies. It seems that the currency that will be in circulation and will be affordable, that currency will have a chance to become the main cryptocurrency in the future.

I don't agree with you on a number of levels.  First off money having an unlimited future is exactly part of the problem..the money printers continuing to print money only devalues the current money in circulation which isn't a good thing.  Bitcoin can be broken down in to many finite satoshis, so that's really not likely to be an issue.  Also, bitcoin and cryptocurrency was only created in 2008, to say that it's already failed as a currency is foolish and short sided.  This is going to take time.  Personally I believe bitcoin can exist as both a commodity and a currency.

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fiat moneys purpose is to be spent. inflation and QE drops value to push people into spending it and push money to continue moving/changing hands/ so that they can tax it at each hand it passes..

if a fiat economy was to be deflationary, people would save and hoard money and not spend it which means governments couldnt tax it as much.

think about it. (imagine 10% tax at each hand it passes)
when 20 people buy something for $1k each from a shop. instantly there is $100 per purchase deducted from that amount due to sales tax. leaving $900 in circulation per person
($20k to $18k)
when the retailer spends its $18k on 10 members of staff wages, their $1.8k is deducted 10% of income tax)
leaving staff with $1.62k ($20k down to $16.2k)

if fiat was deflationary. people wouldnt spend as often and instead hoard it. meaning the cycles of tax going to government would be less amounts going to them. meaning they can't gather/hoard as much to then get more value later.

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so imagine instead of government having $3.8k in treasury.. in a deflationary system even if still taxed at 10%.. people would spend less per cycle meaning the government wont get $3.8k from that demo example. and next months cycle would be even less, where each month is less and less. until a government gets very little each month.

governments hate it when they get less and people keep more. it makes the government be less and less important.
they want poor people. they want to be the providers of services to the poor/needy because without anyone having needs that people could self fund. governments would not be needed and taxes would not be needed.

governments will always have a inflationary currency and always tax people.  as it is the only way they can stay relevant and needed,


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think about it. (imagine 10% tax at each hand it passes)
when 20 people buy something for $1k each from a shop. instantly there is $100 per purchase deducted from that amount due to sales tax. leaving $900 in circulation per person
($20k to $18k)
when the retailer spends its $18k on 10 members of staff wages, their $1.8k is deducted 10% of income tax)
leaving staff with $1.62k ($20k down to $16.2k)
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governments will always have a inflationary currency and always tax people.  as it is the only way they can stay relevant and needed,
Taxes are necessary to keep the state system, education system, health care system, etc. running. Therefore, even crypt circulations will be taxed.
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