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June 12, 2022, 02:33:23 AM
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just take a look at stake, sportsbet, duelbits, bitsler, just to name a few.
All of those books will ban or limit. They don't mind paying out to those they feel will give it back.  All players get profiled. They aren't taking sharp action for long.
Do you have any back up with your statement here? Because I've seen all the casinos he mentioned above are actually big and trustworthy casinos in this forum, especially bitsler and stake because they're an old casino. According to their social medias, there's always a user who win a big amount money and they have pay it accordingly, that's make them are professional for high rollers. Until now, I don't see any accusations from the high rollers get limit his accounts against those casinos.

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just take a look at stake, sportsbet, duelbits, bitsler, just to name a few.
All of those books will ban or limit. They don't mind paying out to those they feel will give it back.  All players get profiled. They aren't taking sharp action for long.
Do you have any back up with your statement here? Because I've seen all the casinos he mentioned above are actually big and trustworthy casinos in this forum, especially bitsler and stake because they're an old casino. According to their social medias, there's always a user who win a big amount money and they have pay it accordingly, that's make them are professional for high rollers. Until now, I don't see any accusations from the high rollers get limit his accounts against those casinos.


There's a difference between a high roller and a professional gambler. Books don't want professionals but they will take 5 BTC from a high roller. The professional syndicates get "beards" or "runners" to get down more action when they get banned or limited.



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WHAT DO THEY LOOK FOR WHEN PROFILING?
It is important to note that risk departments aren’t exactly the same at all bookmakers, but there are a few things they look for in general, that apply to most of them;

· Is the account profitable? As crazy as this might seem, this is the reality of the situation. If your account is profitable, you will get noticed. It is impossible to hide from this fact.

· Is the account considered to be sensitive to prices, and has the account placed a bet through a medium that is considered to be price sensitive? This might, for example, be a site that compares prices. Sharp bettors are considered to be price sensitive, and as a result they are not wanted.

· When was the bet placed? If it was placed earlier than a day before the match or event will signal that something might be “wrong”, and raise attention to your account.

· Is the price to be considered an Arbitrage price?

· Did the price decrease greatly following the placement of the bet? The closing price is a lot more accurate than what the opening price is.

· Did the bettor only place one bet, or did the bettor place a series of bets? This point might be debatable, but the common bookies like to see you place more than one bet at a time. This is because they want you to want as much action as possible, and for them to be able to profit at a maximum from you.

· Have you made withdrawals rather than deposits? Bookies do not like to lose money.

· Did you use an E-wallet when you had plenty of options that are more directly connected with the bookmaker available? This could be recognised as betting sharply, as you give the impression of wanting to move your money in fast fashion. This could also be mistaken as money laundering, which might lead to having your account flagged, regardless if you are or not.

· If you haven’t used the casino, you should consider doing it.

· Bookmakers don’t like bettors that place bets at niche markets, and don’t play the events that they highlight themselves.

· Bookies also don’t like high stakes, as they make more money when people bet “for fun”. This is usually synonymous with placing low stakes.

· Consider using the mobile platform that the bookie suggests. If not, be wary when changing IP Address.

· Bookmakers actually raise their eyebrows when a woman places a bet, as they are not thought to be the “conventional” client. If they do, the bookmaker might suspect that they are going to exploit Arbitrage opportunities, or are a bowler account.

· Do your bets match your demographic? Bookmakers are more thorough in gathering of background information nowadays. In the old days, the bookmaker might only want rich clients, but in the present they even accept students.

· Do you allow their cookies on the site?

· Have you placed bets at the same time as other bettors? Or have you placed bets at the same time as Arbitrage Bettors or Tipsters?

· Never bet on a match that is fixed, or that might be considered to be fixed. This will flag you, whether it was intentional or unintentional.

· Never establish yourself in the industry of tipsters, don’t associate yourself with the industry, don’t be friends or follow people in social media that are associated with betting.

There are probably other factors that play their part as well, but the list above works like a pointer, and if you follow these tips, your accounts might be safe. If you end up being limited or cancelled, ask yourself if you followed the list.

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In the closing paragraphs, I will discuss the subject of Tipsters. Most of the time, bookmakers aren’t concerned with Tipsters (when considering the sharp betting perspective). Most bookmakers have a very high number of clients that follow the tips of Tipsters blindly, and therefore they don’t instantly inspire fear.

Again, Steve has expressed his thoughts on Tipsters, as they in no way guarantee of a profit. Tipsters contribute to creating markets that are heavily weighted on one of the sides, which is unfavourable in the smaller and most liquid markets. Tipsters might also create overlaps with the points in the list above.

In general, a Tipster will try to tip at the best price and a long time before the event starts. Often, Tipsters are the reasons for why prices collapse. If some of their subscribers place high stakes at the exchanges, they might make other bettors look like Arbers (Arbitrage Bettors).

This collapse could trigger those who bet on prices that are currently dropping, to push the market even lower, leaving the bookie with a negative and horrible result. This result would be difficult to turn into something positive, as they weren’t quick enough when changing the price. This is why bookmakers follow Tipsters closely.

I, myself, have signed up for trials at Tipster services, to see and to understand the angle that Tipsters were taking, and if I had overlooked anything. Generally, compilers respect Tipsters that appear to be compiling their own price further, before they eventually tip a selection.

A compiler that knew what he/she was doing, would always use the Tipsters to learn, if they had a great merit and history. Compilers will quickly dismiss Tipsters that don’t have any results that are verified, that don’t seem to have a clear strategy, and the ones with inflated ROIs beyond what they deem to be likely.

Said in other words, we as compilers, are trying to do the same as the punters are doing in high volumes nowadays, in addition to seeing who we should take seriously.

Websites that were related to betting, with useful stats and calculations of models were of high interest for us. Most of them were checked, but as it turned out, we were already sitting on the information from the past.

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June 12, 2022, 12:16:47 PM
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Most of the bookies today will have you on a limit if you're too lucky. Peeps is giving an actual good situation that does really happen if you're one of the players on a bookie that's usually on a winning spree.

I guess the sportsbook allows its members to win multiple times but it looks like the casino won't really like seeing some of its members win in a few spins. It is a sign for you, especially if you've managed to win a few times. You should stop immediately and withdraw your winnings and not gamble for a while. It is to avoid your account having problems such as being banned from placing any more bets or a sportsbook locking your account.
You won't be banned unless you violate the terms and agreement that you've signed up for as you register. It's different from having a winning streak and they would really put you on a monitor if you've been so lucky that you're always winning.

I've seen people that have complained about something like this years ago and it just came to my mind that it's really happening when it's explained.

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June 12, 2022, 12:59:02 PM
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You won't be banned unless you violate the terms and agreement that you've signed up for as you register. It's different from having a winning streak and they would really put you on a monitor if you've been so lucky that you're always winning.
Even though nothing was violated in terms and agreements because there were no bugs used for consecutive wins but pure wins from analysis, but I think to withdraw some of the winnings because any impact can happen, so stay alert to anticipate the unexpected.

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June 12, 2022, 01:14:43 PM
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I saw people talking about stake and sportsbet unfortunately due to location/geo blocking they dont let me play there.
If you bet professionally and don't multi account or make mistakes, I think you will be fine with sports betting, In my opinion all sports betting sites have no reason to block or ban.

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June 12, 2022, 02:08:37 PM
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No crypto sportsbook will allow you to continue winning continuously without restricting or limiting you in various ways just like FIAT sportsbooks and anyone saying otherwise don't have much experience related to sports-betting or are simply lying.

I know some people who got limited in popular crypto books since they kept winning though they weren't really sad since they were expecting it.

The only book that allows constant winners is Pinnacle, but it requires KYC. You could also try betting in exchanges like Fairlay where they will obviously never limit you.

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June 12, 2022, 02:13:16 PM
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I'm not that active with sportsbooks, but I'm curious to see people who are limited to betting because they keep on winning. Unless there is something shady going on with the matches, I doubt they will input something that would and can be influenced in terms of who will win in a specific game.

A little bit would probably not be enough towards a ban or something. Have you experienced it, OP?

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June 12, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
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Hi there,

Are there any crypto sportbooks that allow winners to play there and dont start limiting players once they win a little bit?

Thanks!

It depends what your bets look like, if it looks like you are always taking bets at 2 decimal odds, then it's possible you might be running some sort of arbitrage operation and they will shut you down eventually because it is a money leak for them. If you are betting higher odds than that you should be safe because the payouts are going in the favor of the sportbook more often than not. They might also ban you if they see suspicious bets placed down which could be related to match fixing.

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June 12, 2022, 02:38:30 PM
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Hi there,

Are there any crypto sportbooks that allow winners to play there and dont start limiting players once they win a little bit?

Thanks!

It depends what your bets look like, if it looks like you are always taking bets at 2 decimal odds, then it's possible you might be running some sort of arbitrage operation and they will shut you down eventually because it is a money leak for them. If you are betting higher odds than that you should be safe because the payouts are going in the favor of the sportbook more often than not. They might also ban you if they see suspicious bets placed down which could be related to match fixing.


I forgot about this, sportsbook doesn't allow arbitrage operation and players that abuse of it. As it is a legitimate and legal activity, sportsbook doesn't prefer it because it violates their TOS (usually they accept players that

plays for fun, and not do particular operation).

 
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No crypto sportsbook will allow you to continue winning continuously without restricting or limiting you in various ways just like FIAT sportsbooks and anyone saying otherwise don't have much experience related to sports-betting or are simply lying.

I know some people who got limited in popular crypto books since they kept winning though they weren't really sad since they were expecting it.

The only book that allows constant winners is Pinnacle, but it requires KYC. You could also try betting in exchanges like Fairlay where they will obviously never limit you.

To add and I know I'm not telling you anything new since you've been around the block, there are those that even get limited because of the types of wagers that they are making even if they are losing. Books profile everyone and can tell the winners from losers after 10 wagers.

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This is an example of how a person could get limited prior to being a winner at the book. When professional syndicates make a huge play, the line may move at all books. If a player keeps making bets prior to this move (steam play), that player will get limited. Always getting the best line will get you noticed.

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June 12, 2022, 06:00:35 PM
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You only win a little bit not really huge so why would they limit you? But even if you win really huge, I still don't think that there is a casino that will limit you to play but actually they will like it more since they know that the money that players win can always come back to them the moment winners became greedy and won't stop immediately right after they won but can you share the name of that crypto sportsbook which you think limits you?

We will do an investigation if that was true and possibly make a thread here to inform others about their strange rules. If they can't take it when someone wins, then they better close their casino. This business is not for the weak.
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You only win a little bit not really huge so why would they limit you? But even if you win really huge, I still don't think that there is a casino that will limit you to play but actually they will like it more since they know that the money that players win can always come back to them the moment winners became greedy and won't stop immediately right after they won but can you share the name of that crypto sportsbook which you think limits you?

We will do an investigation if that was true and possibly make a thread here to inform others about their strange rules. If they can't take it when someone wins, then they better close their casino. This business is not for the weak.

It's not strange rules. All crypto books will limit or ban. The amount of winnings differ along with bet play. If they profile you as a recreational gambler, you may never get banned or limited even if you're up 10 BTC. Each book has their own set of rules to ban or limit.

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I think it depends on what kind of sports and leagues you bet on. If they recognize similar betting patterns for low-level and amateur football leagues with thousands of $/€/BTC wagered per match, they will find that suspicious and most probably limit you no matter which sportsbook it is. Same thing if you bet on ITF tennis tournaments where it might seem like you have insider information, know the players, or they have reasons to believe the matches are fixed.

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I think it depends on what kind of sports and leagues you bet on. If they recognize similar betting patterns for low-level and amateur football leagues with thousands of $/€/BTC wagered per match, they will find that suspicious and most probably limit you no matter which sportsbook it is. Same thing if you bet on ITF tennis tournaments where it might seem like you have insider information, know the players, or they have reasons to believe the matches are fixed.

Normal gamblers shouldn't have problems on Sportsbet.io.

Recreational (normal) gamblers don't have problems. Books want recreational gamblers. If a player wants a chance at winning, they aren't going to play at Sportsbet. The margins are way too high to beat them long term. You want to play at books with low margins or lines that are different from other books.

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Unless for the sport bookies that want to scam you if not all sport bet give the players 100% freedom to excessive winning and pay out, so its all about the reputation of the sportbioking site.

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June 12, 2022, 06:57:01 PM
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Hi there,

Are there any crypto sportbooks that allow winners to play there and dont start limiting players once they win a little bit?

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you also need to quantify these winnings!
for what I know usually this is a trend that is seen more with "classic" (FIAT) sportbooks.
anyway, unfortunately for TOS, all bookmakers can exclude you from their bets at their sole discretion.
probably these exclusions are much more frequent when you play "suspicious results" (of fraud) or minor league/matches.

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Unless for the sport bookies that want to scam you if not all sport bet give the players 100% freedom to excessive winning and pay out, so its all about the reputation of the sportbioking site.
For a business like those bookies and a certain player who do have that constant winning then that would really be ringing up some bells which it isnt surprising for them to do so.
They are running of a business and its normal that they would really be in concern for those who do constantly win and make out some checking for a particular
user or player if he's doing something shady or not but its true that sticking with the reputable ones might save up your ass or you shouldnt be worried about
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Ultimately it is of course purely business what kind of relationship you have with the site. They only want one thing and that is to make money. They will also pay out profitable players, but if you put a risk on a site, you will run into limits or your account will be closed. Fortunately, there are many different gambling sites these days, although I can also imagine that not every provider with their software is pleasant for a user to use.

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June 12, 2022, 09:42:41 PM
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I've read some sites restricting users during the time of withdrawal, but no platform restrict users just because they've won. Every gambling platform have got limitations on the minimum and the maximum bet. One can play according to that and if someone is restricting then it is like missing opportunity, because the availability of more number of sportsbook will attract users towards it.
You should read contentious thread from users in the scam accusation section and the gambling section more often. Almost all platforms restrict winners, it's a well known issue in the gambling world and it's the same in crypto gambling world, except they are even more savage and non customer friendly because funds are in cryptos.

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