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June 17, 2022, 06:09:19 AM
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Until now my country is still banned cryptocurrencies, many sites related to cryptocurrencies such as coinbase, binance, huobi and so on cannot be accessed via the website, but I have been active in cryptocurrencies since 2015, many things we can do even though we get restricted.
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June 17, 2022, 07:09:57 AM
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This is a very easy thing to manage :

1. Collect as much bitcoins as you can, whilst you are in that (restricted) country. - There are ways to do this, without using local Exchanges.
2. Once you have enough bitcoins, go visit countries where Bitcoin is accepted and buy goods and have a great holiday paying with bitcoins.

I say.... F@#$$k those countries that does not want to support Bitcoin as legal tender..... just support the countries that does. The countries that does not accept it, will not get the VAT on the purchases of the coins you own. (Buy Apps and software online and pay with Bitcoin)  Wink  

3. The final option will be to relocate to another country that does accept Bitcoin as a payment option. (Once you have collected enough bitcoins)

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June 17, 2022, 09:04:37 AM
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Things like these could happen if the government aren't blind about the importance of Bitcoin in our economy but in some countries, they're trying to get rid of Bitcoin because they can't regulate it which is too unfair. The government usually disagrees with anything that they couldn't handle and control so they just ban it just like Bitcoin. It's just a good thing that other countries are open to cryptocurrency adoption.
Governments shouldn't try to get rid of bitcoin just because they can't regulate bitcoin directly. Maybe people in government need to learn how they can use bitcoin for their own benefit so that the government can earn more from its users. This will only happen if they have an open mind to accept bitcoin and don't just try to ban its use. Hopefully, people from countries that ban bitcoin can still use bitcoin and there won't be any sanctions against them.
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June 17, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
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I think this is a weird decision made by such country as it's assumed to be part of ways human rights are being deprived of, pls I will like to have interest in knowing that particular country that made such implementation, and if this is truly indeed truth then i think its incalled for, giving a jail term is totally an abuse to human rights to freedom.

Another good and available option is to engage the use of p2p in situations whereby your government go against the payment transactions in bitcoin or cryptocurrency from their respective commercial banks, this has been the most acceptable means to boycott the sanctions raised by the government as against crypto.

You can inbox me if you really wanna know my location. There are many countries where bitcoin is banned. P2P option is available here but the point is in P2P trading people are willing to but bitcoin at lower price. So P2P is not beneficial at all. I am comfortable with the way I m withdrawing the moeny.
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June 17, 2022, 09:29:49 AM
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Things like these could happen if the government aren't blind about the importance of Bitcoin in our economy but in some countries, they're trying to get rid of Bitcoin because they can't regulate it which is too unfair. The government usually disagrees with anything that they couldn't handle and control so they just ban it just like Bitcoin. It's just a good thing that other countries are open to cryptocurrency adoption.
Governments shouldn't try to get rid of bitcoin just because they can't regulate bitcoin directly. Maybe people in government need to learn how they can use bitcoin for their own benefit so that the government can earn more from its users. This will only happen if they have an open mind to accept bitcoin and don't just try to ban its use. Hopefully, people from countries that ban bitcoin can still use bitcoin and there won't be any sanctions against them.
That's how it should be in dealing with Bitcoin, the government needs to have an open mind and that's important,
because if you just ban it is not the right solution and needs to be discussed further,
Cryptocurrency also continues to experience rapid development and this will continue to happen

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June 17, 2022, 09:58:37 AM
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I am thinking if your country tracks down BTC users or those who transact bitcoin discreetly.  If your government does that, I won't suggest using VPN or any tools that bypass restrictions.  Doing such a thing will make your life miserable in jail or can confiscate your earned BTC plus a criminal case and fine.  If you have enough funds to move out of your country then do it and look for a place where BTC is welcomed.

Governments shouldn't try to get rid of bitcoin just because they can't regulate bitcoin directly.

That is what we believe but those who are in authority look at Bitcoin and its effect on the entire operation of a country while we are just thinking its effect to ourselves.  So there is a huge difference in terms of perspective.

Maybe people in government need to learn how they can use bitcoin for their own benefit so that the government can earn more from its users. This will only happen if they have an open mind to accept bitcoin and don't just try to ban its use. Hopefully, people from countries that ban bitcoin can still use bitcoin and there won't be any sanctions against them.

I bet they have looked into that but probably the current situation of that country does not benefit much if they adopt Bitcoin.  Or they see an act of accepting Bitcoin is like accepting a hostile take over of their finance system.

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June 17, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
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I'm sure there are no countries that provide strict rules regarding cryptocurrencies, in my country cryptocurrencies are not legal yet, but the government collects taxes from transactions on some exchanges, even though it's not legal yet but I'm happy with the current condition because some local exchanges in my place have good service and Easy and fast withdrawal process.

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June 17, 2022, 09:07:22 PM
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Yes you can, every human should be able to adapt to he's or her society one way or the other. Since they're not majorly used down your ends, you can still hold Bitcoin right ? Without anyone knowing about what you have.
Also you can use for p2p but not with anyone around your resident. You shouldn't thrive more if you're fiat poor then you can transfer some of them Bitcoin to some local exchange's. But I don't think the government has time to track folks making use of Bitcoin.

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June 17, 2022, 09:12:22 PM
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Look at China, many of its citizens are for sure investors and holders of bitcoin. The country has been shifting from time to time telling that cryptos were banned.

Coming from ICOs, to mining and the actual ban on the ownership of crypto. Honestly, if a citizen there owns a lot of cryptos, he won't tell the government.

He can fly to the nearby countries where crypto isn't banned and that's where he can freely access his funds without a single worry. This is a way for those that are wanting it with the much effort way.

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June 17, 2022, 09:33:22 PM
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Despite tte ban, China is still one of the big place where crypto venture capitals hailed from, most of them have migrated out of Hong Kong and close their offices due to this heavy restrictions.
I don't know how good you are with the internet but there is always ways out of any hard situations if you are smart since you still want to buy and hold bitcoin.
We have p2p places where bitcoin can be bought without kyc information, you are paired with either a buyer and a seller anytime you want to do crypto transaction and everything will looks like nothing ever happens in the first place.
You can also decoy your wallet by having two wallet address, used two passphrase for the two, write them down and fund one with all your bitcoin and the other one with little change of Bitcoin. Always make sure that the one with little change is the one you always display by default in case they want to seized your wallet. That's the way you can enjoy buying, selling and holding bitcoin in those countries.

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June 17, 2022, 09:56:47 PM
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While there are countries who have embraced or tolerated BTC since it's emergence in 2008, there seem to be some who are adamant about it because of its high volatility rate and the ability to conduct nefarious activities with it.
 In September 2021, El Salvador became the first country to not just embrace it, but also to use it as a legal tender and where were followed by Central African Republic in April 2022. It would seem that these countries have seen the light(BTC), in this case and have held firmly.
 Despite it's controversial emergence, it has managed to gain a kind of positive publicity. Countries who are strongly against it and have moved for it's ban in their nations are;

Algeria
They passed into law in 2014 and making illegal the use, buying and selling or holding of crypto currency
Bolivia
 Bolivia Central Bank passed the law of the total ban of the use of crypto currency in 2014
China
 On Sept 24, the Bureau of the People's Financial Consumer Rights Bank of China outrightly banned the use of BTC. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cryptocurrency_by_country_or_territory
 There are many more countries who have taken this step. My question now is, how do citizens who have BTC and reside in areas that are not crypto friendly cope?

 

Bangladesh banned all kinds of cryptocurrencies, 3 rules of law is directly going against [Foreign Exchange Regulation Act 1947, the Money Laundering Prevention Act 2012, The Anti-Terrorism Act, 2009.] The authority banned all types of trading or  making any transection in digital currencies. Even, Central Bank sent a letter to the:
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Criminal Investigation Department of the police that trading of cryptocurrencies cannot be considered apparently a crime although virtual coins are illegal under the laws of the country.
Cryptocurrency trading not allowed at all: Bangladesh Bank

On the other hand, If you take eye on the rela pictures of current situation of crypto industry in Bangladesh, its booming. Besides of decleration of baning, many peoples have invested in Bitcoin. Ex. Pathao have already have a DAO platform and also have a Opensea NFT store. Many small startup in crypto market is creating in the industry.
The Govt. knew the potensial of the crypto market, they can't or don't wanna miss the opportuanites in future. If your situation like this, you can invest openly, but if you are facing raw rule of law, then you can should follow alternative ways to invest in crypto.

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June 18, 2022, 08:06:33 AM
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The truth is that every country's legality is different, it's hard to say that Bitcoin is profitable. Meanwhile, today BTC is experiencing a deep decline. Then, for people who are really addicted to Cryptocurrencies, it becomes a common thing. For example, in my country, Crypto legality is only limited to digital assets, it does not apply to trade for daily needs and I accept the rule. I don't know when, Crypto will be accepted in any country.
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The truth is that every country's legality is different, it's hard to say that Bitcoin is profitable. Meanwhile, today BTC is experiencing a deep decline. Then, for people who are really addicted to Cryptocurrencies, it becomes a common thing. For example, in my country, Crypto legality is only limited to digital assets, it does not apply to trade for daily needs and I accept the rule. I don't know when, Crypto will be accepted in any country.
That is correct. And in most of the counties this crypto is banned. When government wants to have strong control over the people.
But the best option for the user to survive is having peer to peer transaction. We do the same for paypal because - paypal in banned in our country.

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June 18, 2022, 08:49:28 PM
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Don't:
Don't use centralized exchange
Don't link your address with any services e.g. gambling, lending, investment platform etc

Do:
Use decentralized exchange e.g. bisq
Buy a gift card using Bitcoin without link your identity
Use Tor to hide your IP address for searching any Bitcoin stuffs
Use a mixer e.g. Chipmixer to concealing your tainted coin for better privacy

Even your countries isn't ban Bitcoin, but you should be worry since government can do anything to ban or unban if they want. So you need to be prepare when the worst happen on your country about Bitcoin legality especially you live in the country where Bitcoin legality is still grey area.
Ever since the government of my country declared a ban on cryptocurrency trading entirely, many people I know end up taking the decision of patiently holding their coin until the ban is probably lifted maybe, when a new government that is cryto friendly comes into power. For they feel they can't keep up with especially the kind of don'ts you have just listed above.

But then I ask myself for how long can they be able to exercise such patience. What if the next government in power still stick to such ban as it's predecessor?
For people like us that stuck to our guns in still trading in cryto despite the ban, I must say it hasn't been that easy!
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I am thinking if your country tracks down BTC users or those who transact bitcoin discreetly.  If your government does that, I won't suggest using VPN or any tools that bypass restrictions.  Doing such a thing will make your life miserable in jail or can confiscate your earned BTC plus a criminal case and fine.  If you have enough funds to move out of your country then do it and look for a place where BTC is welcomed.
That is quite true. I mean if you use VPN to do that, it would mean that you are hiding doing something illegal and the government would punish you for it. By that logic, you could secretly do anything illegal and hope not to get caught, like for example drug dealers make SOOOO much money, why are we not all together become a drug dealer?

Because (well outside of health reasons) it would mean we would be jailed, why do something that you could get jailed for? Makes no sense to me at all. This is why it is quite important to realize VPN or not, if it is illegal, then stay away from it. That is what I would do but this is of course an individual decision for each person.
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June 18, 2022, 10:22:16 PM
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I am thinking if your country tracks down BTC users or those who transact bitcoin discreetly.  If your government does that, I won't suggest using VPN or any tools that bypass restrictions.  Doing such a thing will make your life miserable in jail or can confiscate your earned BTC plus a criminal case and fine.  If you have enough funds to move out of your country then do it and look for a place where BTC is welcomed.
That is quite true. I mean if you use VPN to do that, it would mean that you are hiding doing something illegal and the government would punish you for it. By that logic, you could secretly do anything illegal and hope not to get caught, like for example drug dealers make SOOOO much money, why are we not all together become a drug dealer?

Because (well outside of health reasons) it would mean we would be jailed, why do something that you could get jailed for? Makes no sense to me at all. This is why it is quite important w realize VPN or not, if it is illegal, then stay away from it. That is what I would do but this is of course an individual decision for each person.
It is must to abide with the laws and policies that are being followed within the country. Whether it is cryptocurrency or something else, because when you make a plan to go against the law we're getting ourselves into trap. Moving to a crypto friendly country is the better option. More countries that are against the usage of cryptocurrency are now making welcoming statements. But, the recent crash have made them worried and think. So, you can hold your cryptocurrencies and wait. Maybe your country too can take a positive decision on cryptocurrency usage.

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June 19, 2022, 04:59:20 AM
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if you mean a total ban. then it is very difficult. so the choice is that you can only hold it secretly. if you want to sell it can with p2p. although still risky. but I want to ask all of them. If we transact bitcoins from personal wallets to other personal wallets, is there a possibility that our whereabouts can be tracked such as via IP or something?
I'm a beginner, so I still don't know about this. because at first I thought it would be safe as long as we exchanged on foreign exchanges or p2p.

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June 19, 2022, 09:03:31 AM
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if you mean a total ban. then it is very difficult. so the choice is that you can only hold it secretly. if you want to sell it can with p2p. although still risky. but I want to ask all of them. If we transact bitcoins from personal wallets to other personal wallets, is there a possibility that our whereabouts can be tracked such as via IP or something?
I'm a beginner, so I still don't know about this. because at first I thought it would be safe as long as we exchanged on foreign exchanges or p2p.
That is correct total ban has no solution - but than again an honest peer can be a great help.
We have paypal not operational in our country - so most of the local have friends in the region where they can make transactions through them.

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June 20, 2022, 03:41:36 PM
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Survining with bitcoin in nations where it isn't allowed isn't much of an issue. We've got P2P to play a role in ensuring that the system stays as discrete as possible. It's for you to play safe by using p2p enabled exchanges to do your transactions. Bitcoin encourages anonymity and you remain as much if you don't go about publicising yourself as a bitcoin or crypto investor.
In most nations of the world, bitcoin or cryptocurrencies isn't welcomed just yet but still, its been used by some without any trouble. One way not to draw much attention to yourself as a crypto investor is in having an actual job. A job that could deflect attention from your other streams (in this case, cryptos) of income and you have a better way of explaining the source of your fortune.

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June 23, 2022, 10:54:53 AM
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It sounds like can fiat currency kill BTC! I ready doubts about this concept of CBDC and its potential. Most of the country in the world doesn't have the ability and resource to create and maintain their own CBDC. Allowing crypto assets and taxing them is less costly and convenient for the govt than creating CBDC. Also, I do not find many similarities between them expect their use case. So talking about killing one another is irrelevant.
Look for other opportunities as well. There are many successful business. One of my friends lost so much money in crypto - he withdrew all the money and invested in local property
If you are that much interested in crypto - then find a good friend in the other region where crypto is legal and find a good solution...

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