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July 20, 2022, 07:54:53 AM
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I really believe that all the accounts I got based on the evidence above are linked to each other and join the same campaign [quite a lot of campaigns]. This is the big of farmers accounts, so I think they all deserve a negative tag now.

the red tag you provided seems overkill. all accounts do have the same transaction pattern. but that doesn't provide solid evidence for the red tag you provided.
I know the tags you provide are private from your own research. but in my view a neutral tag indicating the possibility the account is part of a farm would make more sense. as @igehhh said, there is another possibility for a transaction to occur.

after that, everyone can look for other evidence to substantiate the blockchain transactions that have been published. such as the use of social media or the same address.



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July 20, 2022, 08:27:26 AM
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I'd like to invite @Carrollzinha to share his opinion on why those users are still in your campaign even though they were found guilty and broke the rules?

♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay
♦️ Members with more than 1 account in this campaign will be kicked out with no pay

Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything?
Maybe the second rules is limited to the use of alts in the Stake campaign only. User ‘Jeway’ have two negative feedback on his account now. Based on the first rules, Jeway should be removed from the campaign. I have asked the campaign manager about it, and she said this



Anyway, current week of Stake signature campaign will end today. I think Carrollzinha is going to take some actions today when this week will end. Perhaps, she is going to follow the first rule.

Just as it was said in that image, his first negative trust was kinda irrelevant as he had no other account in the campaign but at the moment he received that second negative trust, while he was inside of it, then he surely could not be kept.
As I previously mentioned in a few forum threads, we have someone only taking care of these cases (negative trust & edited posts) since we have had recently 2 guys breaking these rules inside the campaign so we were aware of that -2 of JeWay still on Sunday, which made things easier for us not to be paying him for one more week. Also I can't deny that Mahdirakib's message on Telegram got me surprised as I had no idea how big this issue could become.

Also, one more time, I want to thank you guys for still being around & helping us to keep not only our campaigns but specially the forum clean of such things.


And last but not least, my name is "Carollzinha", not "Carrollzinha" and I am "her", not "him"  Tongue

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I understand your concern about this possibility, but realize it or not there are some very basic differences that you can use as the reason why I say the 16 accounts above are cheaters not collectors. Here's the logic.



Explanation:

Bounty cheaters: After the cheaters get paid from the bounty, most of them will sell to the exchange for fear of losing the price. To erase the traces of transactions, they try to move all those tokens or coins to a new wallet before selling them on an exchange. For some scammers who know how to get rid of the trail, they might convert all the token proceeds sold to another altcoin before they accumulate it to the main wallet. But in this case, all the cheaters don't convert BNB to other altcoins and they just sell and accumulate it to the main wallet and this keeps traces of the transactions discoverable.

Collector: They buy from bounty hunters, and any tokens or coins they buy will not be immediately sold to the exchange because usually they will wait for a higher price. All of these tokens or coins are more likely to be in one wallet [temporary wallet] before waiting for the price to worth it. They will sell to the exchange in a single transaction, not every time they buy from a bounty hunter. The reason collectors buy tokens or coins from bounty hunters is to hold them for a certain period of time and they want to maximize the potential of altcoins, not sell them immediately after they buy.

After all, the reason you are worried has actually become a common reason for every cheater who is caught accumulating their assets to the main wallet, especially because they are caught bounty cheats with multiple accounts. Marking the above 16 accounts obviously for one reason, they are bounty hunters who cheat by joining multiple accounts on the same bounty.

You can also do further research on the 16 accounts above. But I'll bet that you won't find social media connections between accounts and wallet connections between accounts because they are experienced enough people to avoid mistakes. But unfortunately, they forget that accumulating assets to the main wallet without converting them into other altcoins can be accurate evidence to get them tagged as cheaters.

Maybe I can still make the mistake of marking the above 16 accounts as cheaters, and if that's true then I'm still willing to remove or revise the tag. But unfortunately not many people like to look for cheaters from high ranking accounts but it seems they are very good at getting cheater accounts from newbie who just abuse social media campaigns for a few cents.



Funny how English Patrol Scuad started the thread but it's _BlackStar who is asking all the questions...  Roll Eyes
As you can see in the thread, not many people are willing to do their research and get solid evidence about the first two accounts until I actually flag them, but about newbies a lot of people do the opposite. After all, we can't just sharp to down, right? This is free work, so anyway this is part of the contribution too.


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stabbed every single one of their ass with a red pen
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Give them a chance to explain the problem, so there's at least a pause before you stab ass all of them.
LOL.  Honestly, I'm not even understanding the blockchain connection evidence between the two accounts as presented in the OP.  It doesn't look as though those two accounts were using the same address to receive payments, right?  That's what usually is used to link accounts together (or something similar).

But we all know account farms exist, and it does look mighty suspicious to me that these two accounts seem to be following each other around.  I know bounty hunters tend to apply to numerous bounties, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are indeed alts.

Funny how English Patrol Scuad started the thread but it's _BlackStar who is asking all the questions...  Roll Eyes
That is odd, is it not?

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