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June 21, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
Last edit: November 15, 2022, 07:41:43 PM by igehhh
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Casinos sig campaign has the most signature participants on the forum, and because of the high demand for gambling-related posts from participants, the gambling discussion board has become a haven for signature spammers - why is this? I bet the majority of those who applied to those campaigns had no knowledge of the game, but because the rules require a minimum of 10 posts on the gambling board, most of these users with no knowledge of the game just spam the hell out of the board with low quality and offtopic discussion to complete post counts. I spend the majority of my time reporting, especially in the last few days, but that alone is ineffective.

The concern.

Just want to notify you guys! I see some people are very familiar to do post in gambling discussion mega thread. I will suggest to not make post on these mega threads. I really don't like this. Smiley

7. The posting quality will be thoroughly checked – posts in spam mega threads, campaign threads (including this one), necro posts and low-quality posts will not be counted.

The Solutions

* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.

* Is a self-moderated thread the answer? Yes, it reduces spam; consider JollyGood self-moderated threads as an example; zero 1xbit spammers, zero low posts since the beginning of last season, we talked and agreed to keep it clean for quality discussion only, and the result is fantastic!

⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 self-moderated 356 spam posts deleted

⚽ FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2021/22 Season FINAL Real Madrid vs Liverpool self-moderated 15 spam posts deleted

Now what threads are the spammers fishing on?

⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions by tokeweed

⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid by buwaytress

La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 by trofo

Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) by scaccomatt0

Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread by n30111

Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022   by trofo


My Suggestions!
  • Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
  • A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
  • Admin to convert the already existing thread to self-moderated.

Top gambling board spammers; excluded 1xbit spammers.

These users have zero knowledge of the game(Football) you can check their post history for details!

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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?

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June 21, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
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Thanks for the note igehhh. I concur:

1. A lot of spam posts not just in discussion but in ANN threads. It's quite clear who posts with any meaningful understanding and who doesn't, I would even say it's quite clear who actually gambles and who doesn't (it's gambling isn't it?)

2. Megathreads don't always get their due though, not all of them are low value (again this is arguable but I actually see a lot of value in the WO thread, for example where there IS an active and knowledgeable community, and that alone warrants for the high frequency of posts otherwise would be considered shitposting. I'm guilty myself every now and then but I trust my campaign manager recognises this haha).

Because many campaigns also discourage mega thread posting if not outlaw them, you get the spammers opening new topics -- you see this a lot in Discussion but also creeping up in the main Gambling thread. Low quality content, no new discussion or angle, etc.

I agree that threads I opened could probably be turned to self-moderated (you named one but I have others also attracting spam) -- I don't mind moderating, though I might be accused of being too harsh, and could be biased to all the users I already know gamble (but that bias is good right?). It was just natural for me to NOT self-moderate to keep the thread censorship free but at this stage, I think the pro (less spam) is preferable to the con (possible censorship).

JollyGood's self moderation's a good example of how one could trim the fat, although I have to say at least one was opened despite existing ones -- should really have kept the existing topics (using the example of Champions League and EPL you used in OP) and moderate that together with others (is that possible?). Was there a reason JollyGood opened those new topics? To self-moderate?

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I'd say just report what you think is low quality. The moderators in that section are definitely active, and they'd probably welcome reports in that section. I only see newbie reports there, and they aren't that often, so I'm wondering if it might be the same for higher ranked accounts.

It would take the same amount of effort to report the posts, than to self moderate it yourself. Might be even quicker reporting, since you don't have to go through, and delete every post referencing that, whereas the moderator will.

Obviously, there might be a difference of opinion on certain posts. I can see a lot of subjective views being had on the quality of a post. Although, I do believe that the discussion should be resolved around gambling, and not just talking about a team or player for the sake of talking about sports, which I do believe is used quite a bit. I know that can be related at times, but it has to at least stem from a discussion about gambling, and not generic discussion. That's my view point anyhow. The moderators in that section, might have a different view.  

I agree that threads I opened could probably be turned to self-moderated (you named one but I have others also attracting spam) -- I don't mind moderating, though I might be accused of being too harsh, and could be biased to all the users I already know gamble (but that bias is good right?). It was just natural for me to NOT self-moderate to keep the thread censorship free but at this stage, I think the pro (less spam) is preferable to the con (possible censorship).
That doesn't really matter all that much, as it's a self moderated thread. If users don't like the way you're moderating a thread, they can open their own. Although, that does have its own set of problems, especially if we've got two almost identical threads, which are massing replies. Especially, if the spammers then post in both of them to get paid, which I suspect would be the case.


* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.
Yeah, I do believe it's possible. I believe the Wall Observer thread has been given this treatment in the past.

You've got the right users in Cyrus, and hilariousandco moderating the section. So, they'd likely have the permissions to do something like that. Different matter, whether they deem it appropriate or not, though.

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* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.
Very possible but probably that is never going to happen.

This will only lead to report the spam posts to moderators, best to report to moderators.

Good members on the gambling board can agree on one thing, to just volunteer users on gambling thread to create a new thread for each what will later be mega threads and make it self moderated, but I am not advising you about this, the person that created the self-moderated thread can be bias.

I expect immediately before the beginning of new season, new threads should be created for those mega threads, the threads are getting too long. But best not to be self-moderated and keep on reporting spam posts.

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June 21, 2022, 12:57:47 PM
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I spend the majority of my time reporting, especially in the last few days, but that alone is ineffective.
What the feedback you got from moderators then? I guess the majority of your post will stay in unhandled since the post are categorized as soft-bad post, moderators only mark your report are good when it's really shitpost or breaking the rules e.g. post in a row.

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The concern.

Just want to notify you guys! I see some people are very familiar to do post in gambling discussion mega thread.
7. The posting quality will be thoroughly checked – posts in spam mega threads,
I think they're different, sujonali1819 pointed about mega threads on gambling discussion, while Trofo mean spam mega threads like Bitcoin discussion and Altcoins discussion. Honestly I don't understand why sujonali1819 mention to not post in gambling discussion mega thread since there's a lot users there and the discussion keep on going, that's make the thread have a lot replies. However not all mega thread in gambling discussion is really spam, it's just weird the campaign have a minimum gambling board posts but he discourage the users to not post in gambling discussion.

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
I'd second about this solution and it's make sense.

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Top gambling board spammers; excluded 1xbit spammers.
These users have zero knowledge of the game(Football) you can check their post history for details!
Since I'm football fans too, so I know about their post quality, some of them were shitpost and not have any point, but some of them not. The reason why I said some of those users aren't shitposter because the new campaign (your campaign) are selected some users that you mention as a shitposter. Not going to say your judgement are wrong, but different user have different perspective.

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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?
If you want, you can do it since neutral tag isn't harm their accounts.


To be honest I would like to encourage all author in gambling sections create self moderated thread to make 1xbit spammers has no place to posts in gambling sections, this will make their campaign destroyed.
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* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.
I don't know it's possible or not but it's not going to be happened for sure. Admin won't do that.

Users who already have posted in that thread have posted because they know the thread is not self moderated. They may not post in a self moderated thread. This is just a possible scene.
Your goal is honest but think about the possibilities. It's possible that you will not allow some users to post in your thread just because of your ego. Once again, possibility only.
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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?
I  don’t think you should use the trust system here. A neutral would be fine but I would leave that for campaign manager. I have seen some tag on users for low quality post but they are very old tag. Haven’t seen recently.

Regarding the issue,
There's no doubt that gambling board is full of spammer. I remember when I wanted to have some gambler on Thunderpick signature campaign, it was hard to decide if they were really gamblers or not. By judging their post, I thought they don't gamble but they pretend to be gambler lol.

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June 21, 2022, 01:07:33 PM
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Thanks for the note igehhh. I concur:
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1. A lot of spam posts not just in discussion but in ANN threads. It's quite clear who posts with any meaningful understanding and who doesn't, I would even say it's quite clear who actually gambles and who doesn't (it's gambling isn't it?)

Most of the ANN uses bumps pay services it's very easy to detects the sheep's from the goats but that's topic for another day right.  Grin

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Because many campaigns also discourage mega thread posting if not outlaw them, you get the spammers opening new topics -- you see this a lot in Discussion but also creeping up in the main Gambling thread. Low quality content, no new discussion or angle, etc.

You are right, I have about 20+ already on my list that needs to be locked as they contribute to nothing but spams. I will release the list in my next topic and let the admin decide.

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I agree that threads I opened could probably be turned to self-moderated (you named one but I have others also attracting spam) -- I don't mind moderating, though I might be accused of being too harsh, and could be biased to all the users I already know gamble (but that bias is good right?).
Quick solution; lock and create a self-moderated one? Saves time.

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JollyGood's self moderation's a good example of how one could trim the fat, although I have to say at least one was opened despite existing ones -- should really have kept the existing topics (using the example of Champions League and EPL you used in OP) and moderate that together with others (is that possible?). Was there a reason JollyGood opened those new topics? To self-moderate?
I didn't understand the first question and as for the second question, Yes I think the high level of spams on the other mega-thread led him to create a new self-moderated thread for the same league.

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I agree that threads I opened could probably be turned to self-moderated (you named one but I have others also attracting spam) -- I don't mind moderating, though I might be accused of being too harsh, and could be biased to all the users I already know gamble (but that bias is good right?).
Quick solution; lock and create a self-moderated one? Saves time.

I actually started reporting as a knee-jerk reaction and yeah, I think this could be the quickest solution. I'll consider doing that now for 2 threads I created -- and point them to the new one. There were a trio of 3 threads for UEFA club competitions but since JollyGood already has one for the main Champions League, I guess I'll leave that be unless he has a joint solution.

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
I'd second about this solution and it's make sense.

Actually, the new threads I created for Champions League (because old one was locked and creator gone) and the subsequent Europe and Conference ones I intended to keep OP updated with results of every season (you can see this already). Posterity is quite nice?

I see nothing wrong with mega threads if they're well manicured or pruned -- WO in Speculation wouldn't be the same if they opened a new one every year. I think a single thread for a single competition makes sense.

As Welsh said I think we all have to simply do better at reporting. I used to, probably not much for gambling sections but will make it a point to do so more often now especially in the threads I created.

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I'd say just report what you think is low quality. The moderators in that section are definitely active, and they'd probably welcome reports in that section. I only see newbie reports there, and they aren't that often, so I'm wondering if it might be the same for higher ranked accounts.
Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.

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It would take the same amount of effort to report the posts, than to self moderate it yourself. Might be even quicker reporting, since you don't have to go through, and delete every post referencing that, whereas the moderator will.
It's been proven that deleting by oneself takes few seconds while reporting takes the whole day and sometimes eternity. Self-moderation is more efficient.

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You've got the right users in Cyrus, and hilariousandco moderating the section. So, they'd likely have the permissions to do something like that. Different matter, whether they deem it appropriate or not, though.
hilariousanco understands the game and can effectively moderate, but Cyrus? I've never seen him post in a gambling sect, so I can't comment on his knowledge of the game. To get a good result, the moderator of that board must be someone who is familiar with the games.


I actually started reporting as a knee-jerk reaction and yeah, I think this could be the quickest solution. I'll consider doing that now for 2 threads I created -- and point them to the new one. There were a trio of 3 threads for UEFA club competitions but since JollyGood already has one for the main Champions League, I guess I'll leave that be unless he has a joint solution
Yes, it has, and in the spirit of "there is always room for improvement," you can open yours, as most users who were blacklisted from the JollyGood thread may be given another chance on yours.

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What about those ANN threads on the "Gambling" board where KYC is discussed incessantly? I mean it is okay when someone new to that platform asks about KYC, in which two or three responses are adequate to answer the question. However, that is not the case, as it is evident that people are simply recycling their replies for the sake of increasing their post count.

Not only it pollutes the entire section but it also affects that specific gambling platform negatively.

Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.
I also have unhandled cases but I am not certain if its coming from Gambling section. Hopefully, I can reach the required number of reports so I can see some stats...

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7. The posting quality will be thoroughly checked – posts in spam mega threads, campaign threads (including this one), necro posts and low-quality posts will not be counted.

The Solutions

* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.

* Is a self-moderated thread the answer? Yes, it reduces spam; consider JollyGood self-moderated threads as an example; zero 1xbit spammers, zero low posts since the beginning of last season, we talked and agreed to keep it clean for quality discussion only, and the result is fantastic!
I am against self-moderation and I never open my threads with that option if it is not absolutely necessary. I am all out for freedom of speech and true decentralization where no one person has the power to shut somebody down. Self-moderation is not a solution to the problem it is just a remedy to mask the  problem. It is also part of the reason I am not active in those JollyGood threads you mentioned.

I would much rather try to remove the cause of the problem. That is why I wanted that rule you quoted included in signature campaign I am running with cryptofrka, and that is also why we don't have minimum number of posts or required number of posts in gambling. The point should be that every campaign selects users based on their current posting habits and not to enforce them with rules. If you make a person that knows nothing about gambling to post 10 posts in that section to get paid, what results are you actually expecting?

Anyway, that is just my 2 cents and now I am running away from this strange section on the forum back to gambling where home is Smiley

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I am against self-moderation and I never open my threads with that option if it is not absolutely necessary. I am all out for freedom of speech and true decentralization where no one person has the power to shut somebody down. Self-moderation is not a solution to the problem it is just a remedy to mask the  problem. It is also part of the reason I am not active in those JollyGood threads you mentioned.
Self moderation doesn't always have to mean that you're censoring users. You could just be removing off topic, and unsubstantial posts, rather than relying on the forum moderators. That's a perfectly legitimate reason to open one up. You don't have to delete posts you don't agree with. I know there's a negative stigma around self moderated threads, but I've seen them become more prominent, and more importantly more accepted among the community over the years.

We moderators definitely do appreciate it when we get reports, but I can understand a users point of view if they don't want to rely on us for certain things. Especially, when it specifically isn't bad enough to break our interpretation of the rules, whereas yours you think it should be removed. I guess that could be considered censorship, but it's not like you're actively shutting people's opinions down, simply because they're giving a different opinion, it's because you deem it unsubstantial. Thus, they kind of accept that upon entering the thread.

That's probably the reason it's best to start a new self moderated thread, and just lock the old one. Since, then those that didn't sign up to the idea of a self moderated thread, wouldn't find their posts deleted suddenly, because it has now been converted to a self moderated thread.
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most of these users with no knowledge of the game just spam the hell out of the board with low quality and offtopic discussion to complete post counts. I spend the majority of my time reporting, especially in the last few days, but that alone is ineffective.
I hope this is good as a reason why a post deserves to be reported to a moderator as the problem is not with most people but with some people who don't quite understand what they are talking about. That has made their posts end up as spam and really deserve to be deleted.

I have nothing against if the OP wants to moderate the thread to prevent spammers from posting as they please, that's fine. But I would prefer if users are caught spamming just to get paid regardless of the quality of the post, then the post should be reported regardless of whether the moderators will deal with it quickly or not. I'm a football fan, I watch a lot of match and spend a lot of time reading and talking about them and I don't think that should make me spam various gambling discussion threads especially about leagues from different countries and other competitions. But if you find me spamming there, then please remind me.

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Self moderation doesn't always have to mean that you're censoring users. You could just be removing off topic, and unsubstantial posts, rather than relying on the forum moderators. That's a perfectly legitimate reason to open one up. You don't have to delete posts you don't agree with.
In the real sense of that expression, your first sentence as quoted should be enough reason to diffuse any doubt around having a self-moderated thread. Sadly, your last sentence is often why most users self moderate. It hurts when one finds one's post(s) deleted for differing to OP's opinion. It suppresses healthy cross-fertilization of ideas when that happens. My observation is that despite the spam in the gambling board, moderators are hesitant in deleting posts there unlike their swift deletion when it comes to other boards. Do we take it to mean that moderators don't patrol that board often like they do others?

My suggestion for controlling spam on that board will be for moderators to lock any thread exceeding 50 pages, no matter how interesting anyone thinks the discussions going on there is. Secondly, campaigns should reduce their weekly post count requirement on that board to just five posts instead of 10. That way, participants won't hastily populate those threads with unconstructive posts and make them redundant.

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Maybe I'm not smart or stupid about this. but I will state my intention in this thread. first of all maybe the moderation step itself can be the second option for this problem. I think the meaning of moderation itself is purely an op's action and it's 100% his choice to delete the post without any consideration. And for what purpose the button under the post which this button directs to the purpose of the report to the moderator. self-moderation and accompanied by a report button to the moderator maybe these two items should be separated so that the function of self-moderation can be more meaningful.




And I support the steps presented by Trofo. give him a round of applause.

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In the real sense of that expression, your first sentence as quoted should be enough reason to diffuse any doubt around having a self-moderated thread. Sadly, your last sentence is often why most users self moderate. It hurts when one finds one's post(s) deleted for differing to OP's opinion. It suppresses healthy cross-fertilization of ideas when that happens. My observation is that despite the spam in the gambling board, moderators are hesitant in deleting posts there unlike their swift deletion when it comes to other boards. Do we take it to mean that moderators don't patrol that board often like they do others?
You've got two of the most active staff users on that section, so while they might not patrol it, they're definitely around acting upon things. I don't know so much about Cyrus, as I'm not overly familiar with their duties, but I know they're very active at the very least.

I've reported a few posts over the gambling section earlier. Varying of different types, some which I'd expect to get handled, and then others which might be somewhat borderline, which I'm somewhat expected to remain unhandled. Though, I do think they're pretty much saying nothing. I'll see how they get handled.

My suggestion for controlling spam on that board will be for moderators to lock any thread exceeding 50 pages, no matter how interesting anyone thinks the discussions going on there is. Secondly, campaigns should reduce their weekly post count requirement on that board to just five posts instead of 10. That way, participants won't hastily populate those threads with unconstructive posts and make them redundant.
Yeah, we tend to avoid locking threads. In my head, locking is usually useful in certain circumstances, which to be honest I haven't really come across in the years I've been here. If a thread is that bad, it would probably be just as good to remove it completely. However, in almost all cases I'd say its better to remove the problems within the thread, than the thread itself, and that goes for locking too. Others might have varying different levels, but we don't see threads getting locked much so I expect they have a similar interpretation on that.

Signature campaign managers can specify whatever they want in their rules, as long as it doesn't break forum guidelines. To be honest, even if they had a minimum of 20 posts a week, certain users could easily do that, without spamming. Some already do. It's the outliers which are willing to pretty much pump out anything, while still remaining somewhat borderline in terms of spam.
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I don't like self moderating threads, gambling boards are not reputation boards full of trolls and drama, spam can be tackled by reporting to mods, Regardless members bet on soccer league or not, know about football or not, sometimes people who actually bet don't post in league thread, if indeed they are unfamiliar with the football league and spam is detected, it can be reported.

I often see moderated threads, sometimes the answers given by other members make sense, because of the dislike factor for that member the post can be deleted, I'm sure this often happens in moderation threads.

Regarding this topic, Honestly, I tend to agree to be reported and marked as spam neutral, as @actmyname did, when it comes to spam, the campaign manager can check the user profile before accepting as a participant, of course the decision is in the hands of the manager, if it is still accepted, of course it is not the participant's fault.
the manager is wrong, they already know the member is spamming, why was it accepted, so when they do the same thing over and over again, they just get a problem, it's clear that the spamer's profile is written.



I agree on this point.
N/B: Casino campaign managers should take note of these users. Added to ignore list.

Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?

A good move, even if it seems hard, is enough to make them realize and change, from spam for the better.

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My suggestion for controlling spam on that board will be for moderators to lock any thread exceeding 50 pages, no matter how interesting anyone thinks the discussions going on there is. Secondly, campaigns should reduce their weekly post count requirement on that board to just five posts instead of 10. That way, participants won't hastily populate those threads with unconstructive posts and make them redundant.
I am a football lover, so i will use the footballing threads in the gambling discussion section as an example, most of those threads are peculiar to a particular football league and the Champions league all season long, and a season lasts from August till May, that is about 10 months span, imagine if mods have to lock each thread that gets to its 50th page, mind you that it will get there (50 pages) pretty quickly as football discussions go on endlessly there, if that happens we would prolly have new topics created, locked and another created again in the same day, everyday. That will make matters worse, and i would not want that cause i am active in that section.

As for signature campaigns, we can't dictate what their requirements should be, there are quite a lot of users making more than 20+ constructive posts in the gambling discussion section, it is very easy to do if you love football or the dedicated thread of the sport you are commenting in. There will always be spammers, just as there are in every section, so the 'reporting' method should still suffice.





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Permission to comment on this, I hope I get a chair to sit down and express my opinion.

Discussing football is speculation because everyone has a different point of view in describing what they see in the game. Sometimes it's true sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's confusing because football is not a final mathematical theory. For example:1+1 I'm sure everyone will answer 2. And if anyone answers 100 then he must be admitted to a mental hospital.

In football, people will have different understandings, different theories, have favorite clubs, thoughts, and strategies, and also can be considered irrelevant to the discussion because we don't understand what he understands because football is knowledge, unlike Mathematics. Even though he is considered spam, it is possible that he is a person who is very attached to his football soul so he uses football threads as a place to pour his thoughts.
Various free speech in the football section and reported to moderators I think thousands of spam reports occur every day. Will the report be effective? I'm not sure about dropping one or two for this.

Just expressing opinion

and now I am running away from this strange section on the forum back to gambling where home is Smiley
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I think the meaning of moderation itself is purely an op's action and it's 100% his choice to delete the post without any consideration.
Without any consideration? No, I don't agree that that's the end goal of the self-moderation thread. But I don't need to go into detail about what thread self-moderation is because most people here already know it well. You shouldn't delete other people's posts because of differences of opinion, and this sometimes creates problems for self-moderation threads because rating the quality of posts is so subjective.

And for what purpose the button under the post which this button directs to the purpose of the report to the moderator. self-moderation and accompanied by a report button to the moderator maybe these two items should be separated so that the function of self-moderation can be more meaningful.
Do you mean to ask the admin to remove the report to moderator feature in the self-moderation thread? And that means only the OP is 100% responsible for maintaining the thread without moderator involvement? I thought it was impossible. Moderators should not escape the responsibility of moderating any thread regardless of whether it is a self-moderation thread or not.

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.

A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
This would only create more spam, and it's just bandage solution that fixes nothing.
Creators of many topics are not active members so that would create a mess of many duplicate topics in forum.

Admin to convert the already existing thread to self-moderated.
I will repeat again that you can't force someone to self moderate thread if he doesn't want to do it.

Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers?
Good managers are not blind and they can see who the spammers are.
You can report all post you consider to be spam, that is how you can improve the forum.

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1. A lot of spam posts not just in discussion but in ANN threads.
You're definitely right there, but most of those announcements are for crap projects, and I think it's become standard for that section to be a spam-infested, zero-value trap for shitposters and paid shills.  The gambling section(s) shouldn't be that way.

I'm not a gambler and generally don't visit either of the gambling-related sections except for when I'm doing post history reviews for members on request.  When I've done that I've noticed that I'm visiting threads that are hundreds of pages long sometimes.  It's almost like there are multiple Wall Observer threads there!  But like OP mentioned, there are so many campaigns that require posts in the gambling section that it's inevitable that threads with so many pages are going to attract the worst posters, as they know nobody is going to read anything they write.

Not sure if any changes are going to be made, but I'd certainly support everything OP is proposing, especially having to lock threads after a certain period of time.  OTOH, I have a feeling that those shitposters in campaigns will invariably find a way to get around whatever restrictions/changes that are imposed, since they still have to meet their post quota (and you know nothing's going to stop them from doing that).

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June 21, 2022, 09:30:47 PM
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Thank you for bringing discussion on this topic to a wider audience.

I cannot speak for others but I am glad I created self-moderated threads for sports discussions. There is no right or wrong way to move forward, it is all about opinions. If someone creates a thread and does not self-moderate then that is their decision and they can weigh up the pros and cons. The same applies for those that wish to post and read posts in those threads.

For me, I do not regret deciding to take action against spammers and low quality posts hence the statistics you posted where I deleted many posts. Having certain self-moderated threads for specific reasons makes sense just as having not having them in order threads/topics makes equal sense.

Your contributions in my Premier League thread was substantial and having those types of posts with detailed information and quality being drowned out by signature spammers is something that I prefer to avoid. I will continue with self-moderating several threads as the football, tennis and boxing gets going soon.

I have a fairly substantial ignore list and distrust list but I will go through the names you listed and add them if it is warranted therefore thank you for your efforts. As and when I have time I will continue to contribute in my own way to the community too Wink


Casinos sig campaign has the most signature participants on the forum, and because of the high demand for gambling-related posts from participants, the gambling discussion board has become a haven for signature spammers - why is this? I bet the majority of those who applied to those campaigns had no knowledge of the game, but because the rules require a minimum of 10 posts on the gambling board, most of these users with no knowledge of the game just spam the hell out of the board with low quality and offtopic discussion to complete post counts. I spend the majority of my time reporting, especially in the last few days, but that alone is ineffective.

The concern.

Just want to notify you guys! I see some people are very familiar to do post in gambling discussion mega thread. I will suggest to not make post on these mega threads. I really don't like this. Smiley

7. The posting quality will be thoroughly checked – posts in spam mega threads, campaign threads (including this one), necro posts and low-quality posts will not be counted.

The Solutions

* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.

* Is a self-moderated thread the answer? Yes, it reduces spam; consider JollyGood self-moderated threads as an example; zero 1xbit spammers, zero low posts since the beginning of last season, we talked and agreed to keep it clean for quality discussion only, and the result is fantastic!

⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 self-moderated 356 spam posts deleted

⚽ FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2021/22 Season FINAL Real Madrid vs Liverpool self-moderated 15 spam posts deleted

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⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions by tokeweed

⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid by buwaytress

La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 by trofo

Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) by scaccomatt0

Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread by n30111

Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022   by trofo


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  • A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
  • Admin to convert the already existing thread to self-moderated.

Top gambling board spammers; excluded 1xbit spammers.

These users have zero knowledge of the game(Football) you can check their post history for details!

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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?

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Very nice issue raised here Op.

I have to agree and disagree on some of the issues you raised.
  • I was an active user in the gambling discussion thread. I am not a gambler but I am a football lover and analyst, that was why I liked the board. Though I posted much there because my first three campaigns were all gambling campaigns (Rollbit, Blackjack and FortuneJack). It is sad that some people that has zero knowledge of the game comfortably drop nonsense and unrelated posts
  • I personally feel that updating this thread and calling the users out would be enough punishment.  Then managers would likely visit the thread before accepting users.
  • I do not buy the idea of self moderating the topics or locking the threads. The threads give me the idea of how long the forum has been. When I'm less busy I do visit page 5, 6, 20, etc of those 1000+ pages to read what happened then and have fun. I don't wish it should be locked

The best is to report as many as you can and also call out the individuals periodically.

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OTOH, I have a feeling that those shitposters in campaigns will invariably find a way to get around whatever restrictions/changes that are imposed, since they still have to meet their post quota (and you know nothing's going to stop them from doing that).
I'm sure there must be a stopped to spammers if they never change and keep making really bad posts especially when a number of posts are reported and deleted by moderators then that user will get a warning. Moderators will ban spamming users especially after a large number of their posts are deleted and moderators usually give them a temporary ban before banning the user permanently.

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If more and more self-moderation thread remove a large number of spam posts from spammers then it will only reduce spam without any meaningful change to the culprit unless a neutral or negative tag is given (negative tags probably shouldn't be), but by reporting the post then there are two benefits to be had is taken and it is less spam because it is removed and chances of stopping spammers due to temporary ban or permanent ban. But I can totally understand why the OP is starting to worry about the gambling board so far and that's why many merit source will ignore that board.

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.
Only shitposters would avoid writing in a self-moderated thread, and I never forced anyone to do so; I only offered a solution that would reduce spam to a bare minimum; isn't that worth a shot?

A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
This would only create more spam, and it's just bandage solution that fixes nothing.
Creators of many topics are not active members so that would create a mess of many duplicate topics in forum.
how do a locked thread create more spams? Do you read before you write? I doubt.

Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers?
Good managers are not blind and they can see who the spammers are.
You can report all post you consider to be spam, that is how you can improve the forum.
Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind? The moderators cant start looking for spam posts on their own; they still need the assistance of the community. The same applies to managers; it is impossible to keep track of all their participants; they are not blind, but there is no harm in assisting them. They can't see everything on their own.

I do not buy the idea of self moderating the topics or locking the threads. The threads give me the idea of how long the forum has been. When I'm less busy I do visit page 5, 6, 20, etc of those 1000+ pages to read what happened then and have fun. I don't wish it should be locked
You can also have access to a locked topic content, I don't know there your misunderstanding is coming from!

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.
Only shitposters would avoid writing in a self-moderated thread, and I never forced anyone to do so; I only offered a solution that would reduce spam to a bare minimum; isn't that worth a shot?

I would rather emphasize here the responsibility of campaign managers who tolerate this type of spam posting. Most campaigns are run by casinos and gambling sites and it is to be expected that they want their signatures in the gambling section, but various bonuses only encourage additional spam. A lower payment rate will bring the lower quality of signature posters, in the end, less effort from the manager himself to check every post from every participant.

The gambling board is starting to look more and more like the bounties section which is completely moderated by the campaign managers.

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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.

I would rather emphasize here the responsibility of campaign managers who tolerate this type of spam posting. Most campaigns are run by casinos and gambling sites and it is to be expected that they want their signatures in the gambling section, but various bonuses only encourage additional spam. A lower payment rate will bring the lower quality of signature posters, in the end, less effort from the manager himself to check every post from every participant.

The gambling board is starting to look more and more like the bounties section which is completely moderated by the campaign managers.

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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.
It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.

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Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind?
Report to moderator button is not made for managers  Roll Eyes

Do you read before you write? I doubt.
I doubt you even think before you write, and I don't know how you can be moderator to anyone, I would never hire you for anything.
If you don't understand my words written in English language maybe you should hire some translator to explain better what I wanted to say.
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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.
It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.
There is nothing wrong with the number of posts requirement; I can write top 20+ top quality gambling posts weekly without issue; even if the managers reduce it to 2 gambling posts per week, a shitposter without game knowledge will still shitpost; a self-moderated thread will help the managers, moderators, and make discussion easier. Even worse is word spinning, copy and pasting from bogus sources in the same thread.

Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind?
Report to moderator button is not made for managers  Roll Eyes
You stated that the managers are not blind to catch spammers on their own, so I gave you the "report to moderator button" as an example to drag you through the mud.

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Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.
I reported a few posts yesterday, and they were all handled as good. I was even expecting maybe one of them to be left as unhandled as it could've been subjective. So, the reports are getting handled, and I expect your reports were definitely seen.

If you don't feel like reporting, I could start reporting in that section. I'm there anyway, mainly for the UFC thread, though. I can also handle some of the newbie reports, but there isn't a whole lot of those in the last few months.
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OP, thanks for your information but I think it's long been realized and even some forum contributors have been ignoring gambling board as much as they can afford and that's just as much as they are ignoring altcoin discussion board.

I don't like spam and it made me try to avoid spam posts as best as possible and it also made me decide to report a number of spammers to moderators over the time. I reported a number of spammer profiles and posts to the moderators on the gambling board [some of which were handled good], but from most of those reports I got unsatisfactory results as they were not handled to this day. I have said time and time again that my 100+ reports on the gambling board are not handled regardless of the reason and that made me stop doing it.

I admit that there are a number of signature spammers paid for bitcoin or altcoin who post spam there without good knowledge. Some of them are 100% active there just to avoid post deletion as reported, and this led me to ask one of the moderators how to go about it. I'm sure everything will be resolved on a case by case basis as the moderators also can't delete any user's posts that don't violate the rules even if they disagree. This perspective may have led you to suggest a thread of self-moderation on gambling boards so spammers can be suppressed, I certainly agree but I hope that doesn't prevent anyone from free speech. I like to report spam posts, and for your suggestions I'd also support them in case it's a very urgent matter.

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I don't like spam and it made me try to avoid spam posts as best as possible and it also made me decide to report a number of spammers to moderators over the time. I reported a number of spammer profiles and posts to the moderators on the gambling board [some of which were handled good], but from most of those reports I got unsatisfactory results as they were not handled to this day. I have said time and time again that my 100+ reports on the gambling board are not handled regardless of the reason and that made me stop doing it.
Would you say they were rather subjective, and could pass as good or bad depending on the user reviewing it? Like, some posts are so obviously spam, there would be universal agreement. However, when you get to the borderline cases as I like to call them, that's when reports usually go unhandled. They've definitely been seen, I'm quite confident of that.

I usually leave reports unhandled, when I don't necessarily disagree why the post was reported, but don't think it warrants enough action. Although, my sections are fairly easy so this doesn't happen very often, but you can see when it does because the reports stay in the report queue for a long time, which gives me the assumption that other moderators also feel the same way about it. 
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Would you say they were rather subjective, and could pass as good or bad depending on the user reviewing it? Like, some posts are so obviously spam, there would be universal agreement. However, when you get to the borderline cases as I like to call them, that's when reports usually go unhandled. They've definitely been seen, I'm quite confident of that.
Judging user posts is a bit subjective indeed, and I think moderators will have their own interpretation of handling reports. In the gray area the report is most likely not handled because the ongoing discussion can still be considered constructive if the user really understands the discussion.

I agree that the moderators have seen my report, and that's why they don't handle it. I've asked you in the previous PM about this case, so that makes me quite understand how things happen there.

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Yeah, I can understand the subjective aspect of it. If you feel more comfortable just reporting the ones which are clear spam then do that. I don't mind getting bad or unhandled reports obviously, so I might take a look at some of the places where there's a bit more spam around. I've been meaning to start reporting more again, anyway. Plus, it's one of the sections I'm fairly active in.

It might be the solution, self moderated threads for anything that users don't believe to be breaking the rules, but to be low quality enough to annoy them. At the end of the day, those that are actively participating will actually have a better feel for a user, if they're the ones communicating with them. Moderators get a report, and will have to look at the discussion, but we might not get a gist for what has happened prior. You know, someone talking about a transfer or whatever, might sound on topic enough, and okay quality to a moderator, because we only get a small picture.

However, the thread owner if they're reading absolutely everything from day one will recognise patterns of a user, and if they do the same thing over, and over. So, self moderated threads definitely do make sense in some scenarios, but for the above example I'd still recommend reporting them, since if it's a common occurrence of this user, they might need a little more persuading to cut it out. 

I'd recommend it in combination. Self mod for anything that's not breaking the forum guidelines, but is still you know not your original intention for starting the thread. If anyone dislikes it they can start a new thread. Otherwise, anything that's breaking the forum rules, it's always best to report them even if it's in a self modded thread.

I agree that the moderators have seen my report, and that's why they don't handle it. I've asked you in the previous PM about this case, so that makes me quite understand how things happen there.
Oh yeah. I do remember that now Cheesy. It was only a couple months ago too. Sorry, I do tend to get a lot more messages these days.
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Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.
I reported a few posts yesterday, and they were all handled as good. I was even expecting maybe one of them to be left as unhandled as it could've been subjective. So, the reports are getting handled, and I expect your reports were definitely seen.

If you don't feel like reporting, I could start reporting in that section. I'm there anyway, mainly for the UFC thread, though. I can also handle some of the newbie reports, but there isn't a whole lot of those in the last few months.

Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin

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Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin
I honestly doubt that your topic somehow made mods more aware of the spam and just because the posts you reported weren't deleted doesn't mean that mods were not doing their job or ignoring them. I did my share of reports in gambling board when I was active in NBA thread and majority of posts reported were deleted.

I do agree that gambling board is full of members that have no idea about topics they are talking about but that's solely on signature campaign managers and their rules that force people to write there.

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New self-moderated threads for the upcoming season for those who want to enjoy quality discussion while also making money with some predictions and odds I'll be dropping on a daily basis. Cheesy

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Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin
I honestly doubt that your topic somehow made mods more aware of the spam and just because the posts you reported weren't deleted doesn't mean that mods were not doing their job or ignoring them.

You miss the joke Rik.  Grin

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I do agree that gambling board is full of members that have no idea about topics they are talking about but that's solely on signature campaign managers and their rules that force people to write there.
'solely' on campaign managers? I wholly disagree with that, these campaigns are gambling casinos, and thus they would want their signature shown in the gambling area of the forum, i see absolutely nothing wrong in that; if you notice, signature campaigns that aren't related to casinos/gambling do not make any rule of a certain number of posts to be made in the gambling section.

If you are to blame anyone, then it should be the users who spam and not the CM or the campaigns, and mind you that most campaigns only require about 10 posts to be made in the gambling board per week and that is not too much for users with understanding of what they are writing. And imo i do not think users are 'forced' to post there, they applied for the campaigns themselves even after seeing its rules requires gambling posts, so that simply means they are accepting to make the required posts there, and should do it constructively.





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If you are to blame anyone, then it should be the users who spam and not the CM or the campaigns, and mind you that most campaigns only require about 10 posts to be made in the gambling board per week and that is not too much for users with understanding of what they are writing.
True, 10 posts in gambling board is nothing for a genuine user due nature of discussions there, but problem is that there are not enough genuine gambling board users on the forum and that forces managers to enforce rules like writing certain amount of posts in gambling board. Its sellers market and shitposters are taking advantage of that.


And imo i do not think users are 'forced' to post there, they applied for the campaigns themselves even after seeing its rules requires gambling posts, so that simply means they are accepting to make the required posts there, and should do it constructively.
When majority of campaigns have that requirement, what do you think it will happen? Average signature participant will of course adjust his posting behavior to meet the demands. Rest assured if we get some well paid campaign that asks people to write in lets say off topic (or any other board for that matter) you would suddenly get bunch of members writing there.

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June 22, 2022, 11:29:58 PM
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Do you remember the poster that wrote in my Premier League thread about predicting the score for a game that had already taken place a day earlier? Or the one you caught out because he was posting nonsense names about the teams and players (making them up as he went along) all for the sake of increasing post count?

For me it is a no-nonsense issue because self-moderated threads in high spam boards help keep those threads cleaner than those that have zero moderation and are a haven for signature spammers.

It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.
There is nothing wrong with the number of posts requirement; I can write top 20+ top quality gambling posts weekly without issue; even if the managers reduce it to 2 gambling posts per week, a shitposter without game knowledge will still shitpost; a self-moderated thread will help the managers, moderators, and make discussion easier. Even worse is word spinning, copy and pasting from bogus sources in the same thread.

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* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer.
I highly doubt this would be possible, to add to what other members here have said, if this feature is implemented, I think it can be easily abused, imagine a scenario where I create a thread and hand it over to USER A to manage, and USER A has in time past had conflicts/misunderstanding with USER B and USER C.
USER B and C found my thread, had something meaningful to contribute, they posted their comments, USER A found their comments but because he/she is still holding grudges against USER B and C, he/she decided to delete their posts as a payback.

I will suggest you just keep reporting and allow the moderators to do their job.

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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?
Its good enough, But I will still suggest that you leave this to campaign managers to decide who gets a tag and who doesn't, we all have different  perspectives, levels of understanding/judgements of what a spam post really is, a post you consider as spam might not be considered as same by a campaign manager, so I will honestly suggest you leave the tagging for campaign managers, they are the judge, they go through all the posts before deciding which gets paid for and which doesn't, in a case where a user is an addicted spam poster, the campaign manager knows and is his or her responsibility to tag such account.
So tagging a user for low quality posts, I personally think is the responsibility of the manager of the campaign that user is participating in.

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I admit that there are a number of signature spammers paid for bitcoin or altcoin who post spam there without good knowledge. Some of them are 100% active there just to avoid post deletion as reported, and this led me to ask one of the moderators how to go about it.
I know there are spammers everywhere and it's not just on gambling discussion boards. However maybe some less knowledgeable people have spam posts there for the purpose of fulfilling campaign requirements, of course that's the case but I also know about there is spam on other boards which are for the same purpose.

Managers will of course be responsible for checking the quality of posts from campaign participants, but the active contribution of users to reporting posts also makes the forum better. I remember how actmyname reported a number of my posts to the moderators, it was an unforgettable experience to this day and I regret it. It might be good to expect the maintainers to lower the number of mandatory posts about gambling, this will help reduce the gambling boards a lot from spam posts.

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I don't buy the idea of having to create a new gambling thread for each season. It doesn't really change much of the outcome as, the game remains the game and users that frequent the gambling boards knows better to check out the last page to be updated or current on the on going discussions. A new season coming with a new thread doesn't change that. It only means, more threads to be archived or trashed and nothing changes with the threads title except for what season it is.

There are a lot of spams in the gambling board, haven't been there myself and where it gets really bad as I see it is, where some users gets to make 90-100% of there posts on the gambling board. That shit ain't cool to me but somehow, it's tolerated and so, the spams thrive. It's something to look into, so as to promote the learning values of the forum and not let th fun part cast a shadow on the part that requires users to share ideas on ways to develop and better understand the crypto space.

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I don't buy the idea of having to create a new gambling thread for each season. It doesn't really change much of the outcome as, the game remains the game and users that frequent the gambling boards knows better to check out the last page to be updated or current on the on going discussions. A new season coming with a new thread doesn't change that.
The idea shouldn't be about creating new threads just because a new season has started. The idea is to create those threads as self-moderated so that spam and low-value content can be easily deleted by the thread starter. I agree with you that a new thread doesn't mean that the posts in it are good. They can all be awful. The new Champions League thread, for example, is self-moderated. To be fair, the old one was as well.

I like to post in the Serie A thread because I am interested in calcio. It qualifies as a spam megathread. I wouldn't mind someone creating a new one and making it self-moderated if it would get rid of some of the posts where people are just reporting the goal scorers in a match and the team position in the standings.

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I don't buy the idea of having to create a new gambling thread for each season. It doesn't really change much of the outcome as, the game remains the game and users that frequent the gambling boards knows better to check out the last page to be updated or current on the on going discussions. A new season coming with a new thread doesn't change that. It only means, more threads to be archived or trashed and nothing changes with the threads title except for what season it is.
As someone who is active on another forum where for each season we get a new thread, I think that is a better solution than having everything in one huge topic, like its the case with NBA thread for example. To me it somehow looks cleaner and more organized than having last 7-8 season in one thread, like its the case with NBA topic where I used to be active.


There are a lot of spams in the gambling board, haven't been there myself and where it gets really bad as I see it is, where some users gets to make 90-100% of there posts on the gambling board. That shit ain't cool to me but somehow, it's toleratd and so, the spams thrive.
It's not problem at all if you write 100% of your posts in gambling board (or any other board for that matter) as long as you are genuine poster and know what you are talking about. Someone can write only 5 out of 25 weekly posts in gambling board and still produce useless spam and its up to managers to weed out the shitposters.


I wouldn't mind someone creating a new one and making it self-moderated if it would get rid of some of the posts where people are just reporting the goal scorers in a match and the team position in the standings.
I hated those when I was active in gambling board and I think if more people report those, shitposters would post them less. I wonder if managers automatically disqualify such posts as that could be another way to combat those.

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I know there are spammers everywhere and it's not just on gambling discussion boards. However maybe some less knowledgeable people have spam posts there for the purpose of fulfilling campaign requirements, of course that's the case but I also know about there is spam on other boards which are for the same purpose.
The 10 post requirement on the gambling board wouldn't be too much in my opinion [for those who can afford it], but I would definitely agree if the manager would reduce the requirement to 5 posts. It would definitely be better to prevent spam.

I wouldn't mind someone creating a new one and making it self-moderated if it would get rid of some of the posts where people are just reporting the goal scorers in a match and the team position in the standings.
This is sure to be the most terrifying moderation for any football fan. They will definitely lose a place to talk about the team, the players and the condition of the team and the situation of the game. LOL

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Do you remember the poster that wrote in my Premier League thread about predicting the score for a game that had already taken place a day earlier?
Yeah I do remember the scenario and if I'm not wrong the user was Dbc23
 
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Or the one you caught out because he was posting nonsense names about the teams and players (making them up as he went along) all for the sake of increasing post count
We had a lot of drama on the thread last season, and if you know the game, you can tell who doesn't from the moment they start talking; sometimes they misspelled players' names, but mispelling a club's name is unacceptable! I can't remember his name, but I'm sure he's just another spammer.

I wouldn't mind someone creating a new one and making it self-moderated if it would get rid of some of the posts where people are just reporting the goal scorers in a match and the team position in the standings.
I hated those when I was active in gambling board and I think if more people report those, shitposters would post them less. I wonder if managers automatically disqualify such posts as that could be another way to combat those.
Some of the managers are also unfamiliar with the game, making it difficult to moderate participants. We do our best to help.

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I know there are spammers everywhere and it's not just on gambling discussion boards. However maybe some less knowledgeable people have spam posts there for the purpose of fulfilling campaign requirements, of course that's the case but I also know about there is spam on other boards which are for the same purpose.
The 10 post requirement on the gambling board wouldn't be too much in my opinion [for those who can afford it], but I would definitely agree if the manager would reduce the requirement to 5 posts. It would definitely be better to prevent spam.
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Well this is not good for the company that they promote if you will lower the requirement post -- they should always be visible on that two sections [the gambling and gambling discussion board], 10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week, 2 posts a day in gambling board and it should be 14 posts in a week which is you will achieve the quota of your post [I think that is not a problem] and it will NOT create spam.
My advice is, dont interact with the topic that you dont know, for example --football, boxing, and basketball which is a very common topics there.
However, I think theymos should add moderators there since all signature campaigns now are related to gambling, what do you think?
If the participants know that their posts keep deleted and did not get paid after the week, they will surely make effort in the next post.









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10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week
Many signature campaigns require only 5 posts in the gambling boards, so chances are you won't have to write 10.

My advice is, dont interact with the topic that you dont know, for example --football, boxing, and basketball which is a very common topics there.
If the campaign requirements are 10 or more posts in gambling boards, that's exactly what you get. People posting in discussions they don't understand or are interested in just to meet their quota. That's why it's better to lower the demands to 5 posts, and in that way there isn't pressure on the participants to write in the gambling boards more than what they normally would.   

However, I think theymos should add moderators there since all signature campaigns now are related to gambling, what do you think?
The gambling boards have active moderators in Cyrus and hilariousandco, so those subs are covered. But it's not easy to win the battle over spammers. 

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Personally I don't like to post in self moderated threads because of some users are abusing their power by deleting the comments nothing but simply they don't agree with so self moderation is kind of biased in my opinion. But yes the problem is real because we can see lots and lots of posts created for no real other than to meet the posting requirements so we may have to tighten the rules against spam probably adding more moderators can be the right solution but I don't know theymos have any idea of doing it.


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But yes the problem is real because we can see lots and lots of posts created for no real other than to meet the posting requirements so we may have to tighten the rules against spam probably adding more moderators can be the right solution but I don't know theymos have any idea of doing it.
It comes full circle. In the past some users have suggested holding the campaign managers more responsible for those that they're effectively employing. If they're spamming because of their signature campaign, I'd probably agree that signature campaign managers should also be at fault here. After all, if you're caught hiring a bumping service you'll be banned along with the bumpers themselves.

The managers either need to be more strict on who they hire or they need to remove those that are constantly spamming. SO while, new moderators would probably be something to consider, it's far more likely that there's a low amount of reporting going on. Whether that's because users have given up or because they just don't report. The community isn't required to report, but without that reporting, there wouldn't be any moderator candidates in the first place. So, like I said it works kind of in full circle, where we need reporters, to establish suitable moderators, we need campaign managers to become a little more strict, which will turn prevent the spam in the first place.

Currently, if there isn't a lot of reporters, then we're relying on the campaign managers themselves to kick out the dead wood.
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But yes the problem is real because we can see lots and lots of posts created for no real other than to meet the posting requirements so we may have to tighten the rules against spam probably adding more moderators can be the right solution but I don't know theymos have any idea of doing it.
It comes full circle. In the past some users have suggested holding the campaign managers more responsible for those that they're effectively employing. If they're spamming because of their signature campaign, I'd probably agree that signature campaign managers should also be at fault here. After all, if you're caught hiring a bumping service you'll be banned along with the bumpers themselves.

The managers either need to be more strict on who they hire or they need to remove those that are constantly spamming. SO while, new moderators would probably be something to consider, it's far more likely that there's a low amount of reporting going on. Whether that's because users have given up or because they just don't report. The community isn't required to report, but without that reporting, there wouldn't be any moderator candidates in the first place. So, like I said it works kind of in full circle, where we need reporters, to establish suitable moderators, we need campaign managers to become a little more strict, which will turn prevent the spam in the first place.

Currently, if there isn't a lot of reporters, then we're relying on the campaign managers themselves to kick out the dead wood.
Actually I also wanted to mention about the managers work, yes they have to keep an eye on the campaign participants and their posting behavior just like how much importance they are giving while accepting it also have to be on the campaign as well. Reporters may got tired of all these stuffs and gave up which maybe one of the reasons why there isn't not much reports as we had seen in the past.

I do report posts but not a whole bunch at the same time even I wanted to because seriously its time consuming and also I don't want to judge anyone because I feel I am not really that perfect but yes it has to be an effort from the community if we really want the healthy discussions anymore here.

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Personally I don't like to post in self moderated threads because of some users are abusing their power by deleting the comments nothing but simply they don't agree with so self moderation is kind of biased in my opinion.
It depends on who the user who does the moderating is. If it's someone with an agenda who only wants to share his views and doesn't care about yours unless you agree with them, then yes, they will most probably delete your post. But you won't find that with any trusted and normal Bitcointalk user. People who do that should be ignored. Let them talk to themselves. Even the worst offenders have the right to defend themselves or share their side of the story...

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Generally, those that open self moderated threads are those that want to protect against spam themselves or off topic replies. I rarely see users doing it for ill intent these days.

I do report posts but not a whole bunch at the same time even I wanted to because seriously its time consuming and also I don't want to judge anyone because I feel I am not really that perfect but yes it has to be an effort from the community if we really want the healthy discussions anymore here.
That's fair enough, largely reporting is a thankless job, and it's time consuming. However, every staff user appreciates even if we don't give you a personal message saying so. Reporters are our bread, and butter. Without you, we'd be much less effective at what we do. Plus, the forum would be in a lot worse condition if it wasn't for the community working towards a better goal.
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First point:
Huge respect to igehhh for bringing up this topic of shitposting, how to improve the posting quality on the forum and discourage shitposting.
An active community is very important to keep shitposters in check and we need more active contribution of quality posters to discourage shitposter activity.

I’m also in favor of your suggestion about self-moderated threads. Shitposters missing their weekly post counts for campaigns and losing pay due to their deleted shitposts are a very good thing.  Tongue



Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?
A neutral feedback is a very good idea to bring awareness to the issue of shitposting.
It is also a heads-up to the account owner himself and maybe the owner is putting more effort into his posts.
I have done this a few times in the past and as far as I know some high DT members as well (like actmyname or The Pharmacist).
It’s a very useful function of neutral trust to bring awareness to something, where negative trust would be inappropriate.
When the account has improved his post quality and come clean, the neutral feedback could be removed. And we should communicate actively that neutral feedbacks for shitposting can be removed if the posting quality from the account has improved for a reliable duration and no other incident has happened.
Such an approach could reduce shitposting a lot.



Some of the managers are also unfamiliar with the game, making it difficult to moderate participants. We do our best to help.
I agree to igehhh’s approach here because just relying on campaign managers to sort out low quality posters for any sort of gambling discussion is a very hard job because even a very good campaign managers has limits concerning judgement if an Serie A or Primera Division post is a quailty or spam post. Even a very good campaign manager can’t have a good judgement for every section on the forum.


And igehhh seems to be very knowledgeable about the things he’s talking about, he seems to be very knowledgeable how to detect gambling shitposts, so his feedback is highly valuable and he can maintain a good and reliable list.
I would suggest for high quality signature campaign managers to use igehhh’s list from his OP and when there’s an open position in a campaign, the accounts mentioned on igehhh’s list come last. Or at least, when a campaign applicant is mentioned in igehhhh’s list, this should be a factor to make it much more unlikely for hat account to join the campaign.
High quality signature campaign managers should use igehhh’s list like current Merit scores for an account as an important point to decide, which accounts are best (or worst) suited to fill the open spots.

When there’s a good and frequently maintained list of spammers, it can be beneficial for signature campaign managers to use such list as reference when deciding which acconts are going to join a campaign.  Smiley

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Spam in gambling board is quite big issue, thanks for raising it. There is already many good thoughts were said, I just want to add my two cents Satoshi:
Self-moderated topics isn't bad idea, but not solution. If OP really moderate, that's good, but in some cases it can be difficult for him to do it. For example, EPL or Champions league topics - just in single matchday it can get 5+ pages of posts. It's not that easy to check all these posts and it requires OP to be very active on forum. If you will make self-moderated topic and will do nothing, that's pointless. And as already said, self moderated topics isn't solution because not everyone likes it, some avoid to post afraid that their post will get deleted. And it's also possible that OP of such topic will abuse his power by deleting not shitposts, but posts or poster that he simply don't like.
Reporting posts isn't solution at all. In most cases it's simply not bad enough to get deleted. It's just generic shit posted by people who have no idea or much interest about subject and post just to reach Gambling posts quota. But these who have deeper interest in sport, they're getting facepalm while reading such posts.
Some threads simply can't be spammy. For example, some now active topics like ''Does bitcoin dump have any impact on gamblers ?'' or ''How to Effectively Maximize Profits from Online Crypto Casinos''. Personally, I would lock such topic after they will reach 2nd page.
I like quality of discussions in topics of paid prediction pools. Usually they have local rule that only people who paid are allowed to post and we have really healthy discussion there.

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I think the name sounds familiar  Grin

The way you asked what he was playing was funny but the other one was also funny because they were out of their depth posting just for the sake of increasing post count. The misspelling of the name (that I will not mention here) was also another issue in itself (...ahem ... KDB) but I will not give them prominence by naming them.

Hopefully this season 2022/23 is going to be a little better in the thread but having said that the header currently shows:
359 posts by 98 users with 1 merit deleted. therefore I feel I am contributing in my own way by deleting the spammers and low quality posts.

In my opinion, having self-moderated threads in high spam boards does make sense.


Do you remember the poster that wrote in my Premier League thread about predicting the score for a game that had already taken place a day earlier?
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Or the one you caught out because he was posting nonsense names about the teams and players (making them up as he went along) all for the sake of increasing post count
We had a lot of drama on the thread last season, and if you know the game, you can tell who doesn't from the moment they start talking; sometimes they misspelled players' names, but mispelling a club's name is unacceptable! I can't remember his name, but I'm sure he's just another spammer.

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Hopefully this season 2022/23 is going to be a little better in the thread but having said that the header currently shows:
359 posts by 98 users with 1 merit deleted. therefore I feel I am contributing in my own way by deleting the spammers and low quality posts.

In my opinion, having self-moderated threads in high spam boards does make sense.
I know you did this long before the OP made his suggestion because the chances of spam for such a thread are very high. So self-moderation thread for discussion like that makes a lot of sense if the OP really wants to contribute as one of the spam hunters on this forum. If the OP was very actively moderating his thread [as you did] then I'm sure spammers would probably stay away from threads like that just to be safe from post deletion.

I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

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June 27, 2022, 02:12:51 PM
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I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

All of these discussion boards have a lot of spam, especially in the threads which have hundreds of pages. The topics in gambling discussions are so generic that spammers can repeat the same thing over and over again to meet the gambling section posting requirements.
However, this cannot be done with ease in the gambling section that contains mostly the ANN threads of the gambling sites and usually, the people discuss about the site features or the site issues and you can consider them less spammy. 

Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

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Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

Well yes, I would agree that it is a little less spammy, but only a little.

I do not believe that anything will be changed with respect to this section. It is what it is. If you are a gambler, you can find interesting information there. If you like a certain type of sport, soccer, cricket or whatever, you also have a dedicated thread. What about low quality posts? Yes, if you see them, report them.

Another curious thing that happens in this section is that some people are in a gambling signature campaign and you can see that they lose much more gambling in the site they advertise than what they win in the signature campaign. They are people who claim that a certain variant of the martingale helps them to make money, lol.


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June 28, 2022, 10:43:50 AM
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Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?
No, mostly the same though I think the ANN thread has a more technical discussion about the site and how gamblers win things from the site. It all depends on how you rate it, if you like discussing the sports and games you like then you are also free to do so regardless of how other people rate it.

Even some people can still be considered bumping the thread to keep the thread on top for high visibility. Regardless of whether such people get paid behind the scenes or not but I'm sure you'll probably notice that there is such behavior in ANN thread. I just believe that reporting the post to a moderator for review is a solution that will help keep the board clean of spam.

Another curious thing that happens in this section is that some people are in a gambling signature campaign and you can see that they lose much more gambling in the site they advertise than what they win in the signature campaign. They are people who claim that a certain variant of the martingale helps them to make money, lol.
All gamblers do it consciously, and those who spend more money gambling than they make from signature campaign are those who want something bigger. This is a somewhat greedy mindset, but it doesn't matter because it's only about the problems gamblers have and not the forum.

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Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

Hopefully this season 2022/23 is going to be a little better in the thread but having said that the header currently shows:
359 posts by 98 users with 1 merit deleted. therefore I feel I am contributing in my own way by deleting the spammers and low quality posts.

In my opinion, having self-moderated threads in high spam boards does make sense.
I know you did this long before the OP made his suggestion because the chances of spam for such a thread are very high. So self-moderation thread for discussion like that makes a lot of sense if the OP really wants to contribute as one of the spam hunters on this forum. If the OP was very actively moderating his thread [as you did] then I'm sure spammers would probably stay away from threads like that just to be safe from post deletion.

I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

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June 28, 2022, 03:52:46 PM
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Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.



If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

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Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.



If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

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Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point
Unfortunately, that's likely not going to be the case for most often. The football discussion threads with football being one of the most or should I say the most viewed sport, there is never going to be a dull moment on that thread and all users can't can't as professional as others so, they respond based on how they know the game.
Am sure a lot of users would have loved to by pass that section but, signature doesn't give them most of them most of the chance. Majority of campaigns on the forum are gambling platforms and as such, the need for sports analysis can't be lacking. People tends to post because they have to and not because they want to. That's the first step to posting garbage and only the managers could help put this in check. It's no easy task though and moderation on that board is a lot of work.

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Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point
Am sure a lot of users would have loved to by pass that section but, signature doesn't give them most of them most of the chance. Majority of campaigns on the forum are gambling platforms and as such, the need for sports analysis can't be lacking. People tends to post because they have to and not because they want to. That's the first step to posting garbage and only the managers could help put this in check. It's no easy task though and moderation on that board is a lot of work.
The football thread is not the only gambling discussion thread there; there are others as well. Why discuss a sport they are unfamiliar with? Indians enjoy cricket, Americans enjoy basketball and baseball, Europeans enjoy football, and Africans enjoy football, so there is literally something for everyone. They should post in the sport thread that they follow or are interested in.

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June 29, 2022, 09:29:06 AM
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10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week

Many signature campaigns require only 5 posts in the gambling boards, so chances are you won't have to write 10.
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7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

Why discuss a sport they are unfamiliar with? Indians enjoy cricket, Americans enjoy basketball and baseball, Europeans enjoy football, and Africans enjoy football, so there is literally something for everyone. They should post in the sport thread that they follow or are interested in.
It is indeed the fact and this was what I said earlier in my post on this thread, don't interact with the topic that you don't know.
Perhaps this will be solved the problem if no one will spam on that board just for their weekly quota.









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June 29, 2022, 12:24:05 PM
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The same way you do not really follow the football threads (as you prefer cricket), there are others that do not follow the cricket threads but follow the football threads instead. Each has their own preference but as you will not post in the football threads but will post in the cricket threads there are those that will post anything incoherent in any thread on any topic just to make the signature campaign fee target and that is where there is a problem.

Handling those spammers or those posts considered low quality or incoherent is not an issue in self-moderated threads but when threads remain unmoderated the good quality meaningful posts get drowned out by those seeking to spam the thread with nonsense. I think those that mentioned earlier in this thread they have locked existing threads and started new self-moderated ones, have done so after contemplating it and concluded it was the best way to ensure the threads have relevance.

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.



If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.


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10 post requirement a week is very reasonable if you will spread it in the whole week

Many signature campaigns require only 5 posts in the gambling boards, so chances are you won't have to write 10.
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Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. [CryptopreneurBrainboss]
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

Limiting the number of daily posts on the gambling board will not solve the problem either; that is a post prison for genuine gambling posters who enjoy posting on the gambling board - there are quite a few users who prefer post on the gambling board, and I'm one of those users; there is no better fun place than the gambling discussion board, and I post on that board on average 4-5 times per day. A daily post minimum is acceptable, but a daily post maximum will not solve anything; a shitposter can still shit his daily posts.

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Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. [CryptopreneurBrainboss]
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.
7 posts per week in the gambling section is just 3 posts less than the norm (which is 10 posts), thus i can't explain why a user who can make 7 quality posts would struggle to make 3 more of the same quality; as for the daily quota, the unconstructive posters will still make 2 shit posts per day; do not get me wrong, i am not trying to play down the efforts of the bounty manager in curtailing spam in that board, my point is basically that quite a lot of users are just spammers and tbh they wouldn't just change because of a 'tiny' rule that they can circumvent easily.

Having said that, users are not expected to even have all the knowledge in the world to comment in the gambling section, the thing is, if you are making a post there, make sure you are on-topic, and you honestly know what you are saying, and that you are not just copying and pasting what you got from somewhere else, and that should be fine.





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Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point
I think that these who want will always find ways to spam, no matter it's football, cricket or chess thread, even if they don't know even basic rules of game. Can't speak about cricket, but I often see spammers posting their shit about sports they have no clue at all. It's basketball, hockey, olympics and so on. But yeah, there is much less spam in topics other than football, soI prefer to discuss there about less popular sports, rather than football.
BTW, there is so much discussion in Gambling discussion board about sports itself, that name of board don't even corresponds name of it.

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I am inclined to go with this view. It is not the first time our thinking patterns have aligned  Grin

Those that might feel limiting the number of daily posts on any thread or board (including gambling) will be the complete solution to the spamming problem are not quite right. Even if we forget about the gambling commentators favourite board (post prison as you called it), apply the same principle to any board or thread and by limiting the number of posts made it does limit also the number of spam posts being made but can it also have a negative impact on other posters that post more than the talked-about daily quota? I would say 'yes'.

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

Limiting the number of daily posts on the gambling board will not solve the problem either; that is a post prison for genuine gambling posters who enjoy posting on the gambling board - there are quite a few users who prefer post on the gambling board, and I'm one of those users; there is no better fun place than the gambling discussion board, and I post on that board on average 4-5 times per day. A daily post minimum is acceptable, but a daily post maximum will not solve anything; a shitposter can still shit his daily posts.

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The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.
I'm not against the idea, but I do think users should still be encouraged to report the outright spam, so that we can get to the bottom of the problem. It's all well, and good deleting a few posts that were deemed spam inside that moderated thread, but if they're doing it outside as well, it's good to have the moderators aware of that. Maybe, deleting the post in your self moderated thread, and reporting another outside, and just making note of that.

I don't want to see the community just coping, I want to see as many solutions as possible without too many restrictions being put in place. I think that's the best way forward personally.
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Ah Welsh, you made a point that I overlooked entirely. If posts get deleted in self-moderated threads then yes the root issue is not known to moderators therefore having them reported have their own benefits for the forum admin and moderators to look at the wider problem.

The downside is that on many occasions actions by moderators have taken days to either merge posts or remove them. Self-moderated thread creators can get twitchy in the interim  Grin

I think I will try to do that, instead of just deleting spammers I will report them and wait for moderators to take action unless the posts are from users that are promoting scams or alike. (Those are really related to the sports threads I created in the gambling section).

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.
I'm not against the idea, but I do think users should still be encouraged to report the outright spam, so that we can get to the bottom of the problem. It's all well, and good deleting a few posts that were deemed spam inside that moderated thread, but if they're doing it outside as well, it's good to have the moderators aware of that. Maybe, deleting the post in your self moderated thread, and reporting another outside, and just making note of that.

I don't want to see the community just coping, I want to see as many solutions as possible without too many restrictions being put in place. I think that's the best way forward personally.

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Ah Welsh, you made a point that I overlooked entirely. If posts get deleted in self-moderated threads then yes the root issue is not known to moderators therefore having them reported have their own benefits for the forum admin and moderators to look at the wider problem.

The downside is that on many occasions actions by moderators have taken days to either merge posts or remove them. Self-moderated thread creators can get twitchy in the interim  Grin

I think I will try to do that, instead of just deleting spammers I will report them and wait for moderators to take action unless the posts are from users that are promoting scams or alike. (Those are really related to the sports threads I created in the gambling section).
You could just apply it to those that are spamming all over, and not just posted a one off comment. I guess there's a balance to it, and obviously what you want in your self moderated thread is up to you, but looking at it from a greater scope, worth keeping in mind. I'm certainly not telling you it's required.

Yeah, I can't really comment on how long it takes for reports to get acted upon, as I don't see them from that section. Although, the ones that I have done were handled the same day.
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I am inclined to go with this view. It is not the first time our thinking patterns have aligned  Grin

Those that might feel limiting the number of daily posts on any thread or board (including gambling) will be the complete solution to the spamming problem are not quite right. Even if we forget about the gambling commentators favourite board (post prison as you called it), apply the same principle to any board or thread and by limiting the number of posts made it does limit also the number of spam posts being made but can it also have a negative impact on other posters that post more than the talked-about daily quota? I would say 'yes'.

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.
Daily post limit is a cancer! I know users who are capable of dropping 10 quality posts per day.

The in-game commentary is something we need to look into this season, it's boring to see shitloads of posts on each goal of the match, it's fine to give HT and FT thoughts, but every minute reactions made me sick to my stomach, we had a lot of them earlier last season before they were kicked out, and I know a few of them may return to the thread soon.

OP- there's a lot going on in the transfer market right now to talk about, and since I'm not the OP, I can't double post. I'd like a daily transfer headlines from you so we can share opinions - I don't want the community to think the thread is limited to just the two of us. Grin There was a time when only you and I were active on that thread for nearly three weeks.

Yeah, I can't really comment on how long it takes for reports to get acted upon, as I don't see them from that section. Although, the ones that I have done were handled the same day.
All my reported cases today are left unhandled let's see what happens in the next 24hrs.

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Some people really post to fulfill the quota, when you read their post your mind is blowing, they don't know what they are talking about. I warned some of these guys in my threads when I see them but usually they don't even reply because they only write their low quality post and close the thread. They don't even join the conversation. It's best to report these kind of spam messages and moderators will act on it.

Self moderated threads are not the solution as most people don't want to use them. Why should anybody trust OP instead of moderators? Thread may start with good intentions but later OP can delete whatever he wants, mods don't do that.

Honestly Gambling board threads have way more spam as people always talk about same thing over and over again. It doesn't benefit advertisers as well because it's pretty boring to read those threads and eventually it has way less exposure. Gambling Discussion is a live place and anything is changing everyday. A lot of people use and enjoy those league threads, it's like a sports forum. I like the way it is. I believe signatures are the most effective in that board. Spammers are everywhere but you can always report and ignore them.

My suggestion is, use report function more and if it's necessary assigning a dedicated board moderator would be good.

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I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the previous thread that self moderated. I don't think @buwaytress is misused his privilege to delete every post that he doesn't like or someone rooting a club that @buwaytress not fan. That's the reason why I think creating a new thread of this discussion isn't needed.

However, I already report the post

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).
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There is also one of my self-moderated Champions League football threads too  FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2022/23: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279461.0

If a user wants to create an identical or similar thread on a topic already being discussed, I suppose they an do what they feel is correct and then moderators can also decide to do what they feel is correct. If the new thread was created on the basis it is not self-moderated then the signature spammers will probably eventually flood it.

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I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the previous thread that self moderated. I don't think @buwaytress is misused his privilege to delete every post that he doesn't like or someone rooting a club that @buwaytress not fan. That's the reason why I think creating a new thread of this discussion isn't needed.

However, I already report the post

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).

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August 04, 2022, 09:35:40 AM
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I went through a few of those megatrends, I wonder if even 5% of the post would qualify as being about gambling.
Since I'm pretty sure a lot of the posters don't actually gamble or don't have a clue how to place a bet other than on the winner, most of the discussions there could be classified as football fans talking about their team, one post in one hundred talks about spreads, about handicaps about anything, it's about X beat Y so they might beat Z, A is a great player or bad one, xerox copies.

That being said, I've been always curious, in that whole mess of a board, is there a horse racing topic as I haven't seen one and it's the only spot I actually gamble on, not just watch.


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August 04, 2022, 10:57:39 AM
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I went through a few of those megatrends, I wonder if even 5% of the post would qualify as being about gambling.
Since I'm pretty sure a lot of the posters don't actually gamble or don't have a clue how to place a bet other than on the winner, most of the discussions there could be classified as football fans talking about their team, one spot in one hundred talks about spreads, about handicaps about anything, it's about X beat Y so they might beat Z, A is a great player or bad one, xerox copies.

That being said, I've been always curious, in that whole mess of a board, is there a horse racing topic as I haven't seen one and it's the only spot I actually gamble on, not just watch.


Unfortunately, only a few people out of 100 discuss odds and predictions. The real gamblers can be found in the Sportbets.io threads, where discussions revolve around market options, lost bets, won bets, and expected predictions. I tried as much as I could to share my tips and odds as they should be.

The last time I bet on a house race, I swore I'd never do it again because the first wager was really good but I ended up with nothing at the end of the day. It was a virtual horse race, BTW Grin.

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August 04, 2022, 02:37:53 PM
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Since I have several threads there I am well placed to comment. A tiny minority of the posts and threads in the gambling and gambling discussion boards are actually about betting odds. The mere mention of spreads, handicaps and odds is a rarity in itself.

You are right most of the posters probably have never placed a bet on anything except a winner and probably do not know how betting has evolved. Maybe having a dedicated non-betting sports board would be the way forward.


I went through a few of those megatrends, I wonder if even 5% of the post would qualify as being about gambling.
Since I'm pretty sure a lot of the posters don't actually gamble or don't have a clue how to place a bet other than on the winner, most of the discussions there could be classified as football fans talking about their team, one spot in one hundred talks about spreads, about handicaps about anything, it's about X beat Y so they might beat Z, A is a great player or bad one, xerox copies.

That being said, I've been always curious, in that whole mess of a board, is there a horse racing topic as I haven't seen one and it's the only spot I actually gamble on, not just watch.



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August 04, 2022, 06:00:49 PM
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I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the previous thread that self moderated. I don't think @buwaytress is misused his privilege to delete every post that he doesn't like or someone rooting a club that @buwaytress not fan. That's the reason why I think creating a new thread of this discussion isn't needed.
This is usually done by people who pretend to be gamblers just to bump up their post numbers for signature campaigns.
There are even some experienced members who are using this practice, and I am all for reporting this duplicate topics to moderators and deleting them.
Problem is that gambling section is a mess and moderators are not so strict there, but you can try reporting.

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August 04, 2022, 07:10:12 PM
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Since I have several threads there I am well placed to comment. A tiny minority of the posts and threads in the gambling and gambling discussion boards are actually about betting odds. The mere mention of spreads, handicaps and odds is a rarity in itself.

You are right most of the posters probably have never placed a bet on anything except a winner and probably do not know how betting has evolved. Maybe having a dedicated non-betting sports board would be the way forward.
What exactly will the "non-betting sports" discussion board be about? Rumors? Whether it's transfer news or not, I don't think having team news, updates, injuries, and predictions on a single thread is a bad idea, but I'd prefer if a single thread was dedicated solely to odds and predictions!

I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the
This is usually done by people who pretend to be gamblers just to bump up their post numbers for signature campaigns.
There are even some experienced members who are using this practice, and I am all for reporting this duplicate topics to moderators and deleting them.
Problem is that gambling section is a mess and moderators are not so strict there, but you can try reporting.
I'm surprised that a member who has only posted in the NBA thread and isn't a big football fan would open a duplicate thread of the three European competitions (UCL, Europa, and Conference league) for most 1xbit spammers to flood on; this isn't a good sign. I'll try to report the thread, but I doubt the mod will do anything because the OP isn't wearing a signature.

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August 04, 2022, 11:12:13 PM
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What exactly will the "non-betting sports" discussion board be about? Rumors? Whether it's transfer news or not, I don't think having team news, updates, injuries, and predictions on a single thread is a bad idea, but I'd prefer if a single thread was dedicated solely to odds and predictions!
The "Gambling Discussion" board staying put but a dedicated "Sports Discussion" board created where spreads, odds and bets are not the basis. Various sports can have their own threads within the board. Just an idea to differentiate between gambling and sports talk threADS...  Grin

I'm surprised that a member who has only posted in the NBA thread and isn't a big football fan would open a duplicate thread of the three European competitions (UCL, Europa, and Conference league) for most 1xbit spammers to flood on; this isn't a good sign. I'll try to report the thread, but I doubt the mod will do anything because the OP isn't wearing a signature.
I do not know the background behind the user and what reasons he had for starting another football related thread (Champions League) other than citing it was not self-moderated... but as you said the spammers will eventually flood it.

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August 05, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
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I'm surprised that a member who has only posted in the NBA thread and isn't a big football fan would open a duplicate thread of the three European competitions (UCL, Europa, and Conference league) for most 1xbit spammers to flood on; this isn't a good sign. I'll try to report the thread, but I doubt the mod will do anything because the OP isn't wearing a signature.
I also know one member who created duplicate self moderated Premier League topic...so I am wondering why do we need to have duplicate topics like that when this is against forum rules?
This member have a bad habit of creating duplicate self moderated topics for other leagues and I think this should be reported to moderators, or he will continue with his bad practice.
It's time to clean gambling board from spammers.

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August 06, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
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However, I already report the post

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).
But the question is: will a report calling upon that rule help and have the thread deleted? Since no action has been taken yet, looks like it won't. Does that even constitute duplicate posting in the eyes of the moderators? If I make a post in this thread and I copy it and post it somewhere else on a different forum board, that's duplicate posting. Having multiple threads about the same topic, like the Champions League in this case, might not be considered a rule violation. 

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igehhh, I just realized that I've been on the list of members who you think have spammed the gambling board. I don't know how you rate the quality of my posts but I can only say that every post I make is based on true knowledge and information. I don't know how this has to happen, but I just really wanted to apologize if you thought I was a spammer.

I just hope you can consider removing me from your list by reviewing the quality of my posts again, but I admit that I am a spammer trying to do and understand how to use forum properly. I don't want to show myself right while others are wrong about how to rate me, but I just hope this will be a good reminder for me to maintain the best quality when posting. Thanks.

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igehhh, I just realized that I've been on the list of members who you think have spammed the gambling board. I don't know how you rate the quality of my posts but I can only say that every post I make is based on true knowledge and information. I don't know how this has to happen, but I just really wanted to apologize if you thought I was a spammer.

I just hope you can consider removing me from your list by reviewing the quality of my posts again, but I admit that I am a spammer trying to do and understand how to use forum properly. I don't want to show myself right while others are wrong about how to rate me, but I just hope this will be a good reminder for me to maintain the best quality when posting. Thanks.

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Spammer is just a term for those who post something useless, but that predicate can be changed due to its relative nature. For now I just think the middle ground is that you need to wait for igehhh's response to your request but this is just a list that shouldn't affect any user's reputation unless they will be ignored by a lot of people.

It's a bit unpleasant when you have a spammer status, but it won't always be pinned on someone when the quality of their posts continues to improve. I've proven that quality can be improved with awareness and will, but you can't stop someone from giving you bad judge on one or two things including post quality. So be patient, wait for igehhh to respond to that. By the way, congratulations for your new rank.

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It's really up to the campaign manager to guard against this sort of spam.  I really don't see much difference between this and most of the petty dramas that sig campaign folks start in order to post for pay.  At least the gambling section is not so much crypto related so it's somewhat irrelevant.  I feel like there is a never ending list of spammers though, so getting mad at them is a fool's errand.  Look at the campaign managers and hold them responsible for paying users to post absolute shit.

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This is nice. A monthly update is making this thread unique. As I saw above, in the case of Indah resqi, any member of the forum, especially wearing a signature and getting paid weekly who sees their name in the spammers list would be concerned and tend to change. Else it could result to the manager of the company they are promoting to remove them from campaign.

In the updated list, if you could update them as not a code but name with hyperlink to the profit it would be nice and easy for others to view the profile easily.

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igehhh, I just realized that I've been on the list of members who you think have spammed the gambling board. I don't know how you rate the quality of my posts but I can only say that every post I make is based on true knowledge and information. I don't know how this has to happen, but I just really wanted to apologize if you thought I was a spammer.

I just hope you can consider removing me from your list by reviewing the quality of my posts again, but I admit that I am a spammer trying to do and understand how to use forum properly. I don't want to show myself right while others are wrong about how to rate me, but I just hope this will be a good reminder for me to maintain the best quality when posting. Thanks.

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I have yet to tag anyone on that list; it was only created to make some of the members aware that their position on the gambling board was inadequate, as well as to allow managers to pay more attention to them and to make them sit up because there is always room for improvement. I review their posts on a weekly basis, and those who deserved to be removed were also removed from the list. As time passes, I will tag those I deem appropriate.

P.S. They are only poor gambling board posters who do not deserve to be paid for all the nonsense they post.

I'll go over your post history and take the appropriate action.

In the updated list, if you could update them as not a code but name with hyperlink to the profit it would be nice and easy for others to view the profile easily.
A self-awareness tag to only those included.

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It's sad that nobody is talking about this thread in the gambling section because I wasn't aware of this useful topic. I'm looking for ignore lists of gambling spammers, because I can't bear anymore scrolling dozens of garbage posts each time to find a rather interesting one.
So if anyone is interested in sharing one of these, don't hesitate to send me it through PM, I promise to keep it confidential.

But to be honest I think the simplest solution would be to open a sub section without visible signatures like the Ivory Tower or Serious discussions (or to hire 4 or 5 volunteer moderators fully dedicated to the gambling section).

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Any list is handy but I think the problems with most lists would be about opinions of the one doing the compiling versus the opinions of those doing the reading and let us not forget there are those that appear on any such list but would staunchly defend their position and ask to be removed.

What cannot be denied by the majority would be obvious candidates that have consistently spammed but the remaining on any list could conflict as multiple cases could be put forward to fight allegations as they make their cases.

It's sad that nobody is talking about this thread in the gambling section because I wasn't aware of this useful thread. I'm looking for ignore lists of gambling spammers, because I can't bear scrolling dozens of garbage posts each time to find a rather interesting one.
So if anyone is interested in sharing one of these, don't hesitate to send me it through PM, I promise to keep that confidential.

But to be honest I think the simplest solution would be to open a sub section without visible signatures like the Ivory Tower or Serious discussions (or to hire 4 or 5 volunteer moderators fully dedicated to this section).

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Last edit: September 03, 2022, 07:28:20 PM by indah rezqi
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I know this list won't have any impact on my reputation, but either way I don't expect people to ignore me just because I'm on the list. I'm not even complaining about how someone wants to call me a spammer or want to report my posts for deletion, but I don't want them to ignore me just because some posts don't make sense. I also don't want to be under constant reproached for my past spamming habits, so that has to change now.


I have yet to tag anyone on that list; it was only created to make some of the members aware that their position on the gambling board was inadequate, as well as to allow managers to pay more attention to them and to make them sit up because there is always room for improvement.
I believe when you want to flag everyone on the list because they are considered spammers then this thread should be moved to the reputation board for something called your blacklist. But I'm glad you still care enough about how many people are willing to make changes, as evidenced by the way you delete one of the users on your list.

I'll go over your post history and take the appropriate action.
I'd be happy to hear that. Thanks.



I have a great list for you if you really want to identify more spammers on the gambling board, but because the list is long, it's only the top 100 in the last 34 days I've add in the list.

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Having lots of posts doesn't mean they are spammers, on the other hand having few posts doesn't mean they are good posters either. Quality is judged based on what you write and it really depends on the knowledge and perspective of everyone who judges. There's no set standard for it, but maybe when it's written over and over again on the same board or thread then they can be considered spammers.

You can tell the spammer's habits, they are quite easy to spot especially when they are just hiding on boards that hundreds or thousands other spammers like. Honestly I was surprised when you said yourself a spammer but in fact you rank up. That's kind of funny.

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I have a great list for you if you really want to identify more spammers on the gambling board, but because the list is long, it's only the top 100 in the last 34 days I've add in the list.
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Are you saying according to your great list:

I stand at #100 therefore = spammer?
you stand at #434 therefore you = spammer?

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Having lots of posts doesn't mean they are spammers, on the other hand having few posts doesn't mean they are good posters either. Quality is judged based on what you write and it really depends on the knowledge and perspective of everyone who judges. There's no set standard for it, but maybe when it's written over and over again on the same board or thread then they can be considered spammers.

You can tell the spammer's habits, they are quite easy to spot especially when they are just hiding on boards that hundreds or thousands other spammers like. Honestly I was surprised when you said yourself a spammer but in fact you rank up. That's kind of funny.
That is what I am asking him, did he call himself a spammer yet at the same time contradict himself by saying he was not  a spammer or a lesser spammer? And all those on his great list (including myself) also spammers?

What am I reading from him?

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September 04, 2022, 06:33:23 AM
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I have a great list for you if you really want to identify more spammers on the gambling board, but because the list is long, it's only the top 100 in the last 34 days I've add in the list.
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100. JollyGood [95]
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434. indah rezqi [34]
Are you saying according to your great list:

I stand at #100 therefore = spammer?
you stand at #434 therefore you = spammer?

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Having lots of posts doesn't mean they are spammers, on the other hand having few posts doesn't mean they are good posters either. Quality is judged based on what you write and it really depends on the knowledge and perspective of everyone who judges. There's no set standard for it, but maybe when it's written over and over again on the same board or thread then they can be considered spammers.

You can tell the spammer's habits, they are quite easy to spot especially when they are just hiding on boards that hundreds or thousands other spammers like. Honestly I was surprised when you said yourself a spammer but in fact you rank up. That's kind of funny.
That is what I am asking him, did he call himself a spammer yet at the same time contradict himself by saying he was not  a spammer or a lesser spammer? And all those on his great list (including myself) also spammers?

What am I reading from him?

Lol, that was interesting  Smiley

I guess he thinks that those who posted more in the gambling section are the spammers while this is not the case. If this was the criteria then all the highest posters would have been declared spammers by now Tongue


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September 04, 2022, 09:45:22 AM
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I think he did not like it when his name was added to a list and he might have a case for being either upset or offended but I would like him to explain exactly what he means with his own list. Just by posting regularly in particular threads or boards does not make a member  a spammer by default.

Lol, that was interesting  Smiley

I guess he thinks that those who posted more in the gambling section are the spammers while this is not the case. If this was the criteria then all the highest posters would have been declared spammers by now Tongue

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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.
It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.
I don't understand why "project owners" as you say don't pay participants with free bets/spins/chips? It would guarantee them to have posters knowing their platform and being real gamblers. They could also ask a minimum weekly wager requirement on their platform to be accepted and kept in their campaign or at least some proofs like a gambling history sent by PM showing that the participant is a real active gambler.


I went through a few of those megatrends, I wonder if even 5% of the post would qualify as being about gambling.
Since I'm pretty sure a lot of the posters don't actually gamble or don't have a clue how to place a bet other than on the winner, most of the discussions there could be classified as football fans talking about their team, one post in one hundred talks about spreads, about handicaps about anything, it's about X beat Y so they might beat Z, A is a great player or bad one, xerox copies.
I totally agree with you, they don't even try to make predictions most of the time. Since they don't know anything about gambling they just make posts about the last game or race they've watched on TV, listened on the radio or read on a sports newspaper.

That being said, I've been always curious, in that whole mess of a board, is there a horse racing topic as I haven't seen one and it's the only spot I actually gamble on, not just watch.
You are right, it would be a very interesting thread though. It's sad to see that real bettors like you don't even dare to post there anymore. Sad

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Looks like you two misunderstood indah rezqi post, I don't think he's saying everyone on the list is spammers, but maybe he just wanted to say some of them are spammers if the OP wants to really do some research. But I hope indah rezqi comes to explain for you.

Even if your name is in the top 100 posters based on that list, I would never consider you a spammer if you really care about quality. If I review the list, then there are several 1xbit posters on the list that you might think of as spammers all along. So I thought it was just a list of active poster name on gambling board for the past month, but not all of them are spammers but yes there are spammers too. I'm just thinking positive at the moment.

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September 04, 2022, 01:20:58 PM
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I have a great list for you if you really want to identify more spammers on the gambling board, but because the list is long, it's only the top 100 in the last 34 days I've add in the list.

https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-08-01T00%3A00%3A01&before_date=2022-09-03T23%3A59%3A59&board=56&child_boards=true

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1. KTChampions [379]
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  KTChampions ? ?  All what I know about him is that is a real champion in all what belongs to sports predictions etc. ..

 Taking a quick look in his post history maybe show that he's very present in the gambling boards but taking the time to see into his messages clearly show that he is very far from what can be considered as a spammer !  All his interventions are pertinents and well structured!



 Alought I see your list is pretty huge to say you have checked every user's conduct!

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Having lots of posts doesn't mean they are spammers, on the other hand having few posts doesn't mean they are good posters either. Quality is judged based on what you write and it really depends on the knowledge and perspective of everyone who judges.
I totally agree with your assumption, there is no fixed standard in post quality assessment because every user has a different point of view. But as long as it's written constructively in the thread then I don't think it's spam.


That is what I am asking him, did he call himself a spammer yet at the same time contradict himself by saying he was not  a spammer or a lesser spammer? And all those on his great list (including myself) also spammers?
I'm not saying you're a spammer even if you're in the top 100 posters list on the gambling board. Each user will be judged on a case by case basis and posters deemed good are not worthy of being called spammers. It is an incomplete list for posters on gambling boards, and in that post I just advised the OP that the full list must have spammers if he wants to add them to his ignore list in the future.


KTChampions ? ?  All what I know about him is that is a real champion in all what belongs to sports predictions etc.
You only highlight posters that you think are good, but indirectly you have ignored spammers. Find out how many 1xbit posters who no longer care about their reputation are on the list I posted but I wonder why some of you don't want to talk about it but seem to think I've rated the top posters there so badly.

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Having lots of posts doesn't mean they are spammers, on the other hand having few posts doesn't mean they are good posters either. Quality is judged based on what you write and it really depends on the knowledge and perspective of everyone who judges.
I totally agree with your assumption, there is no fixed standard in post quality assessment because every user has a different point of view. But as long as it's written constructively in the thread then I don't think it's spam.

It is not just his assumption, it is the facts. Spam is not defined by the quantity of posts but by their quality. And, besides, moderation standards are in place to ensure that this forum remains a friendly and welcoming environment for everyone who participates here.

You made a list of the Top 100 most active members in the Gambling board. That is fine, but that does not mean they are spammers. If you want to make a list of the biggest spammers on the forum, check the moderation logs.


https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1189222

If one out of every six of your posts gets deleted by the moderators, it is quite clear that you are violating the forum rules. A lot.

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May I know what criteria called with gambling board spammer?
I saw in several user got tag as as gambling board spammer make their viewed about soccer predicting, discussing about their favorite team and some time they post about match result.
I can't imagine user got tag with gambling board spammer when posting about soccer match result, make predicting about team winner before games began.

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May I know what criteria called with gambling board spammer?
Do you have any posts deleted on the gambling board so far? If yes, then I think it can be a consideration for you to get answers about the spam post category on the gambling board. Wherever you post, if the quality is poor then it can be considered as spam.

I saw in several user got tag as as gambling board spammer make their viewed about soccer predicting, discussing about their favorite team and some time they post about match result.
Ask the person who tagged him, he can definitely give the answer. I'm just assuming that the poster is just spamming and maybe making some repeat mistakes. But trust feedback is not to tag spammers, it should be used for something to do with trading or anything like that. Report spammers and their spam posts, that's much more recommended as I think it's the moderator's job to deal with it.

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I just remembered this thread, when visiting one of the gambling section:

Kings Club Poker, semi-private games, mainly for serious poker players

This reply, this reply and this one are pure garbage disguised as a supposedly certain quality by the lenght of the answer (they are not one liner spammers) and by saying things that to those who have some idea of poker but not much may perceive as meaningful.

Two of them are part of the spammer blacklist and I am not surprised that they write like this because it is clear that they have experience. They write in a way that is still garbage but may appear to be of some quality at first glance.

For me the problem is that they get paid for that.

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I just remembered this thread, when visiting one of the gambling section:

Kings Club Poker, semi-private games, mainly for serious poker players

This reply, this reply and this one are pure garbage disguised as a supposedly certain quality by the lenght of the answer (they are not one liner spammers) and by saying things that to those who have some idea of poker but not much may perceive as meaningful.

Two of them are part of the spammer blacklist and I am not surprised that they write like this because it is clear that they have experience. They write in a way that is still garbage but may appear to be of some quality at first glance.

For me the problem is that they get paid for that.
I agree with you, some members are very talented to make long meaningless posts, not ashamed to repeat several times the same thing with different words frequently. It seems to prevent them from being reported to moderators and even from being removed from their campaign despite being already tagged as spammers, receiving almost no merit and posting hundreds posts by month, they even receive bonuses for their spam actually.

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Even if getting a perfect ignore list there will be new accounts or just other users that just starts and so repeating the same problem.

I think this/the solution  is regulating the signature campaigns by the forum staff,
make strict rules for managers as for example, define a maximum limit to the minimum post count required from a user,
forbid the rule of posting on specific boards.. or maybe allow a max amount of posts per manger

I would add to forbid imposing setting an avatar and personal text, so let the choice to the users setting it or not,  .. by motivating, against remuneration or privileges! ?

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Do any of you have a profile setup like this? I think this can help you not see the different avatar and signature of each campaigner. See what positives you'll get, you're bound to be reading what users write more often than who writes for what campaigns.



A lot of people say it doesn't make sense to pay someone with spam or very low quality posts, so I'm sure you must be discussing post quality more often without caring about what they're getting from the campaign if you have profile setting like that. But the downside is that the campaign doesn't expect this to be done by everyone because it won't make their site known.

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I think this/the solution  is regulating the signature campaigns by the forum staff...

I doubt very much that this will be done. I understand that the owner of the forum is more of a free-for-all and let things self-regulate.

Do any of you have a profile setup like this?

Not in my case. But there are some members who do, I remember for example The Pharmacist. I am not going to put the signatures in ignore because it would be like biting the hand that feeds me.

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Do any of you have a profile setup like this? I think this can help you not see the different avatar and signature of each campaigner. See what positives you'll get, you're bound to be reading what users write more often than who writes for what campaigns.
Sometimes seeing other member's signature space and avatar helps you to identify which member is shitposting or not. There are signature campaigns that require their members a fuckton of post per week where whoever joins that campaigns, you can automatically consider some of them as spammers.


A lot of people say it doesn't make sense to pay someone with spam or very low quality posts, so I'm sure you must be discussing post quality more often without caring about what they're getting from the campaign if you have profile setting like that.
Regardless if you have settings like this, it doesn't change the fact that they are still getting paid with or without you seeing their signature. But that's just me.

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Do any of you have a profile setup like this? I think this can help you not see the different avatar and signature of each campaigner. See what positives you'll get, you're bound to be reading what users write more often than who writes for what campaigns.
No, I don't think it's the best solution if you want to get spam from multiple users on any board. You shouldn't look at who he is and what campaign he's promoting to determine spam posts, it has to be what he wrote. I wouldn't have a profile setting like that, but I'm sure some people have. I don't know who.

A lot of people say it doesn't make sense to pay someone with spam or very low quality posts, so I'm sure you must be discussing post quality more often without caring about what they're getting from the campaign if you have profile setting like that. But the downside is that the campaign doesn't expect this to be done by everyone because it won't make their site known.
Again quality does not depend on what your username is, what rank you are, what campaign you are promoting, but quality is a product of the knowledge you have. So you don't have to hide your avatar and signature to find them. But I just realized that avatars and signatures can also be hidden.

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These users have zero knowledge of the game(Football) you can check their post history for details!
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I'm shocked to see my name on the list. I don't know in what way you determine me as a spammer.  Huh
I am aware that I am not a high-quality poster but I didn't make posts indicated to be out of topic or made some posts in a row. I also never made some similar posts on several threads. Why do you call me a spammer? Do I make a lot of posts indicated as spams? Give me the proof or evidence.

Remind the definition of spam!
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Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send multiple unsolicited messages (spam) to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, for the purpose of non-commercial proselytizing, for any prohibited purpose (especially the fraudulent purpose of phishing), or simply repeatedly sending the same message to the same user.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

Anyway, I see many of the people on the list are members from Indonesia. Do you have a problem with Indonesian members? I hope there is no political matter when you determine the names on the list above. I'm so sorry I suspect it because you are against us, but you don't care with real spammers of 1xbit signature participants. Do you think they are better than us (people on the list and me)?  Huh

Top gambling board spammers; excluded 1xbit spammers.



N/B: Casino campaign managers should take note of these users. Added to ignore list.
It is not your business, let the campaign managers consider whether to take an action or not. This accusation is also quite subjective, it is based on own perception. It will be valid if it is determined by a team consisting of members who are neutral, do not side with any group and have a good reputation in spam cases. The candidates of spam busters on Bitcointalk Community Awards are the most recommended people. See here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5390008.0.



Regarding the issue,
-snip-I remember when I wanted to have some gambler on Thunderpick signature campaign, it was hard to decide if they were really gamblers or not. By judging their post, I thought they don't gamble but they pretend to be gambler lol.
Do you assume a non-gambler cannot join casino signature campaigns, sir?
It is in your signature campaign, sir. But in my signature campaign rules (and also in other campaigns), there is no statement that the participant should be an active gambler. So, I think it is not a must to be an active gambler to participate in the signature campaign. Except, the manager stated it is for active gamblers only.

In addition, I'm against those people who pretend to be a gambler, but nothing wrong with people who join the discussion by explaining their opinions.

Some of the managers are also unfamiliar with the game, making it difficult to moderate participants. We do our best to help.
Which managers do refer to?
You must clearer this part. You accuse them of being unprofessional or less of knowledge.
Even if they don't know the game, you should understand that they don't work alone, they have some assistants. They must hire professional people who know well everything related to that jobs, including the games.


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September 06, 2022, 08:09:02 AM
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I think this/the solution  is regulating the signature campaigns by the forum staff...

I doubt very much that this will be done. I understand that the owner of the forum is more of a free-for-all and let things self-regulate.

 This is like for how there is rules that even fram the form of post, "no low quality", "no off context", "no two words"... It would be nice if campaigns too get rules to not be broken!

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The impact of spammers?

  • Misdirection for beginners
  • Making issues that are not in accordance with the facts
  • The forum is filled with posts that do not meet the element of certainty
  • Posts are not represented with knowledge that is in accordance with the topic of discussion
  • Discussions on the Gambling board are only for filling in weekly posts, although some people don't understand the football part at all


Therefore, I think it's important to know what the post quality standards are like, Is it related to substance and statistics?

Because when it comes to assessment, everyone has a different perception, for example how to judge one post with another, maybe I think their posts are good and constructive, but for other people, that's not necessarily the case.
I think this standard is still gray, so it's easy to say, post A is good, post B is constructive, post C is innovative, and post D is useless.

as once conveyed by @BlackStar

Again quality does not depend on what your username is, what rank you are, what campaign you are promoting, but quality is a product of the knowledge you have. So you don't have to hide your avatar and signature to find them. But I just realized that avatars and signatures can also be hidden.

Although personally I'm still classified as a spammer, maybe!!!

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My brief half of week experience with the gambling section  Cool

1) Opened a self-moderated [ur=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413000.0l]topic[/url] about horse racing, the self-moderated stuff combined with the fact that you can't post about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m every week to make your quota and the topic is dead.
2) A non-moderated topic asking about what a trifecta is uncovered in less a day a ton of horse racing gamblers, of course, on paper  Cheesy

Conclusion:
Self-moderated topics won't prevent s&*^

Proposal:

This could be achieved with the cooperation of a few signature managers and with the actual casinos and sports betting websites that really care about people wanting to gamble and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m.

So, how about this change in the criteria of posting x times in the gambling section:
Rather than having 10 out of 25 posts in the gambling discussion section, either keep or erase this altogether but make half of the previous quota to be mandatory about actual gambling.

This means no posts like:
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Barcelona bought Lewandowski for $50m and this will be a match against his former team ...more lines of garbage
and more like
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Lewandowski after the last match has only a 1.85 odds of scoring and 5.5 to score twice, and it's just 1.9 for over 3.5 goals for the match, combining one of those with.....

Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.
Would it cut down spam, maybe, maybe not that much but this is clear. It will make spammers work way harder than just rephrasing their last posts from one week ago and it will help a lot in trimming down those who obviously have no clue what they are talking about.

Oh, did I mention Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m?  Cheesy






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Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.
First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

As you're talking about transfer prediction, I think that's what the purpose of this thread ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions, I don't understand why the OP put odds on the subject title, is there any casino have an event in betting which player successfully transfer to x club? lol.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

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Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.
You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

The problem has been shitposters with false information trying to compete post count.

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is there any casino have an event in betting which player successfully transfer to x club? lol.
Sometimes, yeah. There's also managers to be sacked first, and all sorts of different odds the bookies put out. Although, Bitcoin bookies are a little behind on this front, as it's a little more common with fiat based ones. Almost every major fiat one has this sort of bets you can make.


The problem has been shitposters with false information trying to compete post count.
Yeah, it's the real problem in the gambling section at the moment. Basically, from a first glance it looks like they've actually written a lot about the subject, but in reality they're completely vague in what they're saying, almost like they don't actually watch the sport at all, and like others have suggested just doing it for their sig quota.

I've just got a better performing machine, so I'm hoping to start reporting in that section, and getting it somewhat sorted out. Although, I'm away pretty soon so it'll be after that most likely.
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I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

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First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

The MMA thread is also pretty long. Tongue
To be clear, I've posted more than once in the MMA thread and don't see a problem with it. These threads are made in such way that every time a new event takes place people post their opinions and compare the participants. An alternative would be a new thread for each match like they do with boxing. I actually think it's odd that there's one big MMA thread, but boxing usually is divided between individual fights and people don't see a problem with it because these threads are shorter.

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

I agree. It's not the threads that should be the target of this rant but individual posters - spammers.
The easiest way to stop this would be to make managers kick people reported for constant spam in these threads, but that can only be done to an extent because 1xbit spammers are the worst and they aren't getting kicked out of their campaign anytime soon...


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I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

This is my exact feeling all around BitcoinTalk that I came to express here. This whole forum is becoming a broken low IQ shitshow. Perpetuated by these signature give-aways.

Anywhere there is a way on the internet to make 5c in crypto doing a boring task ever since 2018, be that a faucet, a P2E game, blogging, or even posting on BitcoinTalk, a hoard of people from Nigeria, Indonesia, the Philippines etc jump into the mix and type total nonsense broken English low IQ brain dead bullshit. They have no sense of community, they don't care about what they are writing about, they don't want to be here, they just want their 5 cents and would leave in a split second if that 5c trophy were taken away.

It makes anything completely unreadable on this entire forum. I'm trying to find anything remotely interesting anywhere. Instead I see low IQ thread titles with low IQ posting that doesn't make any sense everywhere. Always from these gambling-ad people. A guy with a lot of history on this forum recently had one of the most brain dead takes of all time where I was posting recently, it was so bad I swear it almost caused me whiplash. This is only possible for the above reasons.

My only solution would be a very harsh one. Ban either the signature campaign stuff and/or the gambling logo/signature stuff. I'd happily give up mine but I'm also not paid for it nor do I care. I'm just here for the content.

I do think such an action would hugely lower interactivity on the forum, but I think the ends would justify the means, especially when that interactivity is just useless fluff making things shitty in the first place. It makes honest users like myself completely incapable of doing anything here.


Mildly shilly (apologies in advance) but I have to post it anyway, but MintDice actually wrote an article detailing this exact problem, what causes it, what it looks like and how to fix it with real world examples. Perhaps worth a read:
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I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.
Spot on, you haven't even mentioned the altcoin boards, it's a complete shitshow there. Once in a while, when I come across low quality posts, I try to report them, I believe it's the right thing to do. Complaining about the whole board here in Meta won't help unless if one is trying to suggest that the admin remove the whole board from the forum.

If signatures or signature advertising are banned, trust me, this forum will go to its lowest activity in years. Not a good thing for bitcoin adoption, is it?
I have seen so many businesses thrive after advertising themselves here.

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If signatures or signature advertising are banned, trust me, this forum will go to its lowest activity in years. Not a good thing for bitcoin adoption, is it?
I have seen so many businesses thrive after advertising themselves here.
I imagine some users quite like the idea of a tight knitted community like it was back in the old days. However, in reality there's always been complaints about the state of the forum. I'm not trying to discredit that either, there's clearly some issues here, especially in the altcoin section. However, we do have a set of dedicated reporters that try to clear that place up as much as possible, and a dedicated bunch of moderators, and I don't mean the section dedicated, but the entire team from global, dedicated, and patrollers clearing up that section.

I've literally removed pages upon pages in a matter of a few hours at times. Although, I must say that most of the reports we have, were from posts that were around the 2018 mark. So, while we do still have spam now, it's either much less seen or in reduced quantities since we have a few users that report, and they all report older posts rather than newer posts.

I think the gambling section especially has a current problem, which is ongoing though. Most of the spam can be seen in the mega threads over there. Where as the altcoin section is more thread dependant, i.e those that used bumping services or promised the earth, and therefore generated a lot of hype.

The issue with the gambling section is; you need multiple moderators who watch these sports, since as I mentioned, and a few others a lot of users are just talking vaguely about things, and therefore for someone who might not be into the sport themselves, it doesn't appear like anything is amiss. So, you need basically multiple moderators covering different threads or you need a dedicated effort of community reporting.
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Yeah, that's the thing. I'm quite used to this stuff on other places. It's not spam in the traditional sense. It's low-IQ dribble inspired by the thought to make pennies inspired by not getting banned. So they type out things in an effort to not get banned but it also makes no sense, isn't provocative, isn't intelligent, isn't anything really. They really skirt right up to the line of what is spam and what isn't spam into this grey area. They don't go further either because they can't or it serves no purpose. And they don't go less so they don't get banned.

It's true it will never be like the old days. Some things die. Forums are dead in favor of things like Reddit which are some of the worst things on the internet to me. I guess the philosophical question is at that point how you want it to die. A death of low interactivity or a death of spammers. And personally, I'd rather not let the spammers win.

I can't report anything because I'd just report entire threads lol. These people are like weeds.




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We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

Now I've just reported another one from the same user.

ops this is nice story and I was able to feel it.  After hearing your words, I can now see a beautiful girl next to me when I close my eyes  Cheesy I can make a prediction that. here my balance $10 to $500 and there my beautiful wife age 20 to 50 and my beautiful wife will become an old woman  Sad no no no I don't want that much money.  I want a young girl................

I once had posts deleted that made more sense than this.

If posts like these are not acted upon, the gambling section will remain a big pile of rubbish.

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October 29, 2022, 12:50:53 PM
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We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

Now I've just reported another one from the same user.

ops this is nice story and I was able to feel it.  After hearing your words, I can now see a beautiful girl next to me when I close my eyes  Cheesy I can make a prediction that. here my balance $10 to $500 and there my beautiful wife age 20 to 50 and my beautiful wife will become an old woman  Sad no no no I don't want that much money.  I want a young girl................

I once had posts deleted that made more sense than this.

If posts like these are not acted upon, the gambling section will remain a big pile of rubbish.
A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment
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October 29, 2022, 01:14:23 PM
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I'm not here to argue with you <...>

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here? 

The difference is that this user's joke is understood and what you say is the rubbish, like you usually write. As in the first post I reported, where you asked me:

Wow great and congratulations. did you used your spin already? How many dollars have you won from here?  And does it work really well.  And is using these spins enough for someone to win a big prize? i have some free spin but i didn’t use it yet Because I did not believe that anything good could be gained from it. <...>

In other words, the typical rubbish that people in this thread have been discussing for 7 pages how to get rid of. Just in the previous post I had said:

This week I was one of the winners of 125 spins, in this case in the wanted Dead or a Wild game.

<...>

I had been playing roulette and blackjack in the casino, I'm not so much a slots player, and I didn't quite understand how I was getting the prizes. The good thing is that instead of clicking on each spin I saw that you could set automatic spins of 10, 25 or 50 and it went faster. At one point I got a bonus of 10 spins from another slot, which I also played. I also liked the presentation and the music.

But I have been unlucky short term. With an RTP of 96%, on the value of 25 USD in spins, I won about 8 USD, that is negative variance for me.

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Come on, go back to the gambling section and keep on spamming with the rubbish you write. It seems the moderators won't delete your posts.

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October 30, 2022, 01:16:21 PM
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 #133

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.
A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment
I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

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October 30, 2022, 03:55:22 PM
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We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.
A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment
I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.
I appreciate it if someone finds out my mistakes and enlightens me and I always try to avoid those mistakes.  You are a knowledgeable member of this forum so if you feel that my post quality needs to be improved and I am able to do it then I will definitely try my best to do it.  Thank you very much for advising me.
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October 30, 2022, 06:30:31 PM
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This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate.
Not all long posts can really be considered quality posts, but there are times when short posts have good substance on the topic of discussion which can then be considered quality. I don't think it's a problem, but if it's written for something pointless then I'm sure it's just spam worth reporting.

I believe forum give us all the right to free speech, but if users aren't doing it for something useful and their posts are off-topic, then the report to moderator feature would be very useful.

The issue with the gambling section is; you need multiple moderators who watch these sports,
You're right about this but I don't think they have to stay in front of the TV watching match after match which the fans discuss exclusively. Honestly that I watch a lot of football matches for various domestic leagues to keep my reply on topic, but that won't stop people from saying it's a bad post.

Even if this actually won't solve the problem, some of these things will reduce spam on the gambling board:
1. Thread with 1000 pages no longer display signature.
2. Campaign manager no longer counts posts on thread that are more than 25 page (mega thread).

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October 31, 2022, 06:00:04 AM
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I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

I agree but the thing is, the moderators for some unknown reason, don't share this perception. I have two reports about him still in unhandled and it's been too long for the moderators to have seen them, so I understand that for some reason they have decided not to act. I could go through his post history and report all the ones I see that are rubbish, which is not all of them, as some of them are not bad, but given the experience with these two reports it would be a waste of time. I think I'm going to put him in my ignore list and that's it, I don't want to see rubbish that the moderators won't delete if I report it.

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First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.
The MMA thread is also pretty long. Tongue
To be clear, I've posted more than once in the MMA thread and don't see a problem with it. These threads are made in such way that every time a new event takes place people post their opinions and compare the participants. An alternative would be a new thread for each match like they do with boxing. I actually think it's odd that there's one big MMA thread, but boxing usually is divided between individual fights and people don't see a problem with it because these threads are shorter.
Dude, I'm not talking about if the thread is long or short, but I'm talking about a particular interest of the discussion. In MMA thread you wouldn't see people are just discuss about a fighter who doesn't related with gambling or the event, most of them talk about their prediction, odds and the result of the fight.

I think people who're a MMA fan already fine with one thread only, most of people are interested on UFC, if you look on the other MMA events only few users discuss about it.

Even if this actually won't solve the problem, some of these things will reduce spam on the gambling board:
1. Thread with 1000 pages no longer display signature.
2. Campaign manager no longer counts posts on thread that are more than 25 page (mega thread).
I looked on your post history and I see you're mostly post on football thread where it's already over 1000+ pages there.
Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023
La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23
Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

Since you're saying spammer is a user who make post on 1000+ pages, can we say you're a spammer too? Cheesy

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October 31, 2022, 08:17:26 AM
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I think I'm going to put him in my ignore list and that's it, I don't want to see rubbish that the moderators won't delete if I report it.
Moderators have an interpretation when it comes to judging posts that are worth deleting or not, even if you are willing to report them, it doesn't mean they will delete them all. I have 9 bad reports, some of them due to multiple reports [me and another user reported the same post] where the first report was marked good and the second report was marked bad. Some of my reports were not considered good because they thought they were bad reports, I don't want to argue how they decided to mark them and handle that.

I can even tell you that so far I have 160+ reports not handled by moderators and I think 90% of them are on gambling board. I never want to be pushy about why it's not being addressed, but I think I should only report it when I find something worth reporting. Anything you think is good to report, then report it instead of ignoring that user.

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October 31, 2022, 09:04:47 AM
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Since you're saying spammer is a user who make post on 1000+ pages, can we say you're a spammer too? Cheesy
Spam is posts that are useless for discussion and are usually off-topic regardless of what purpose they are made for. Spam also doesn't depend on how many pages the thread is if you really have something really factual to talk about and obviously post quality is something that counts, but since thread with 1000+ page are often considered a convenient place for spammers, then I think it makes sense for me to get it in the suggestions.

You can say I'm a spammer, that's your right, but if you really believe that I am a spammer what you mean. But I hope you don't neglect this one.  Wink

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Honestly that I watch a lot of football matches for various domestic leagues to keep my reply on topic, but that won't stop people from saying it's a bad post.

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October 31, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
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I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

What do you mean, isn't this a totally legit, insightful, much prediction, such knowledge post?
I just picked the last one, not going to waste one more second on his history

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Marcus Rashford has already given Westham United a goal in the 38th minute for Manchester United. There is still half time to play.  In the remaining half if Manchester United goalkeeper is able to stop the balls coming towards them and if Manchester United's other players are able to pass the ball well and give Westham United another goal then they will surely win today.

Just look, Manchester is leading, and if Westham doesn't score but Manchester scores again, ...ta-dada... Manchester will win!
It's a bulletproof prediction, if the score ends 2-0, the team with two goals scored will win, I bet none of the veteran gambles could come up with this.

Spam is posts that are useless for discussion and are usually off-topic regardless of what purpose they are made for.

Spam means garbage like this:

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So far Napoli are unbeaten, convincing as one of the title challengers, but the fact is they have not been able to win the Scudetto in many different seasons despite their good performances. It's only about 12 match, there are 26 more match that will await them and I think they will also have other focuses like the Champions League or the Italian Cup

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Arsenal are 0-1 behind PSV, but Arsenal are the favorites in this match.
I don't mind saying Arsenal were better in the game even though at the moment they are struggling to score goals. It's not right to say they will lose before the game ends, so I think there will be a goal back from Arsenal soon.

This is not even the fanboy stuff I was mentioning early in this thread, this is just you mentioning the obvious, one looks at the score, sees that this team leads and that's one "gambling" post, I actually went over your post and looked after keyword, guess what, you only twice mentioned actually odds for a game result but just mentioned them.

Now, the pretty weird stuff, I clearly remembered I replied to the below two quotes but god knows what happened, I might have forgotten to hit post (!?) as I don't have any deleted replies either. So in short and sorry for the late replies:

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

Totally agree on this, things like this are important, but if you're posting stuff like "Mbappe is not playing so things might be difficult for PSG" without bothering to make any kind of prediction, this is not gambling talk, this is fanboy gossip and copy pasting newsline headers. I don't think that if a top player is either suspended or injured someone needs to mention this three times in a row in a topic when obviously all the gamblers are aware of it and some others have done it five times already.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

They do so just to make it look like they've done some research and to increase the number of lines in their post.
Since it's hard to get away with just mentioning the victories of a team before the match they add a bit of flavoring to look like they are really interested and up to date with what's happening there, stupid things like x have scored x times so maybe he will score again, phrases empty of any substance that are simply just useless for a prediction.

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October 31, 2022, 11:15:29 PM
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I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

What do you mean, isn't this a totally legit, insightful, much prediction, such knowledge post?
I just picked the last one, not going to waste one more second on his history

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Marcus Rashford has already given Westham United a goal in the 38th minute for Manchester United. There is still half time to play.  In the remaining half if Manchester United goalkeeper is able to stop the balls coming towards them and if Manchester United's other players are able to pass the ball well and give Westham United another goal then they will surely win today.

Just look, Manchester is leading, and if Westham doesn't score but Manchester scores again, ...ta-dada... Manchester will win!
It's a bulletproof prediction, if the score ends 2-0, the team with two goals scored will win, I bet none of the veteran gambles could come up with this.

He's making the job of live commentators easier; perhaps he should become one. It's the same as saying if Arsenal scores the fifth goal against Nottingham Forest, Arsenal will win the game; predicting known outcome only makes him look stupid,Lol. This type of post is of no use to gamblers. Writing commentaries while the game is still in progress is nonsense; if you have a meaningful thought, express it during halftime and predict what may or may not happen in the second half, not Bs of what we already know.

what was he trying to say in that bolded part ?

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

Totally agree on this, things like this are important, but if you're posting stuff like "Mbappe is not playing so things might be difficult for PSG" without bothering to make any kind of prediction, this is not gambling talk, this is fanboy gossip and copy pasting newsline headers. I don't think that if a top player is either suspended or injured someone needs to mention this three times in a row in a topic when obviously all the gamblers are aware of it and some others have done it five times already.
Yeah, player availability influences game odds, but that isn't enough. If Mbappe isn't playing, you must provide in-depth analysis of what we can expect and why betting against PSG is a good bet, but some people only drop headlines and then disappear.

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Marcus Rashford has already given Westham United a goal in the 38th minute for Manchester United. There is still half time to play.  In the remaining half if Manchester United goalkeeper is able to stop the balls coming towards them and if Manchester United's other players are able to pass the ball well and give Westham United another goal then they will surely win today.
what was he trying to say in that bolded part ?

It's a translation thing, I know that from our Moldavian co-workers, in some languages to score a goal is also "to do" a goal so here to give a goal to the other team is to score a point, but of course, in translation it loses that meaning and it just becomes a really confusing text.
And this is again one thing that shows how much of a football fan some people are when they don't even realize what they are saying and how this sounds.

It's the same as saying if Arsenal scores the fifth goal against Nottingham Forest, Arsenal will win the game; predicting known outcome only makes him look stupid,Lol.

Reminds of a football player interviewed in our league, freshly after the game in which they lost 0-2, he said that if the other team didn't score those two goals and we have scored at least once we would have won. No shit Sherlock!   Wink


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Marcus Rashford has already given Westham United a goal in the 38th minute for Manchester United. There is still half time to play.  In the remaining half if Manchester United goalkeeper is able to stop the balls coming towards them and if Manchester United's other players are able to pass the ball well and give Westham United another goal then they will surely win today.
what was he trying to say in that bolded part ?

It's a translation thing, I know that from our Moldavian co-workers, in some languages to score a goal is also "to do" a goal so here to give a goal to the other team is to score a point, but of course, in translation it loses that meaning and it just becomes a really confusing text.
And this is again one thing that shows how much of a football fan some people are when they don't even realize what they are saying and how this sounds.

Sometimes translators can't help but give them the shit they wrote in their native language back in English; translators don't mess with sentences, do they?

It's the same as saying if Arsenal scores the fifth goal against Nottingham Forest, Arsenal will win the game; predicting known outcome only makes him look stupid,Lol.

Reminds of a football player interviewed in our league, freshly after the game in which they lost 0-2, he said that if the other team didn't score those two goals and we have scored at least once we would have won. No shit Sherlock!   Wink

I've never seen professional players make such ridiculous excuses, and the only coach who blames grass, fans' noise, stadium shape, and weather after a loss is Liverpool Klopp.

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correctly. of course this match will be an important match for Napoli to widen the gap with other teams. and so will Atalanta go all out for points. about Napoli's defeat of Liverpool in the champions league Napoli actually played very well from the first half. but in the second half in the 80th minute. we can see Napoli a little caught off guard by slowing down the tempo of their game. and that caused a gap in Napoli and Liverpool could see the gap and take advantage of it to bear 2 goals. so Napoli were too confident in the second half that they got caught off guard by then.

oh I just remembered that the FIFA world cup is almost on time.

Well right. if Juventus could be at their best then the match could end in a draw. But PSG deserved to win in that match. because PSG played very well. but juventus isn't too bad either. considering the opponent Juventus are facing is PSG which is a very strong team. and the match was also very interesting. but I think Juventus can still play better. as long as they can fix their current weakness. But PSG's level of play is slightly above Juventus. so it's only natural that PSG are included in one of the strong candidates to get the title this season.


Does these two posts make any sense? how can you be part of a signature campaign and not put a little effort in your post? I have reported it and hope mod would do the needful.

Take this as motivation to improve the quality of your posts and watch the game more often; you don't have to post on a sport thread you're unfamiliar with because you'll be exposed eventually. I'm not a big fan of basketball or baseball, so I have no business in those threads.

If you are on my list send me a PM to review your post.

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Take this as motivation to improve the quality of your posts and watch the game more often; you don't have to post on a sport thread you're unfamiliar with because you'll be exposed eventually. I'm not a big fan of basketball or baseball, so I have no business in those threads.

If you are on my list send me a PM to review your post.

Ah, I just found out there was a post about this.
and I will be happy if you can take the time to review my post. because I am always open to criticism and suggestions that can build the quality of my posts.

but I want to clarify about the post about the Italian league (Serie A) and also the Champions League.
I think you misunderstood me. because I'm really a football fan for Serie A and also the Champions League and what I said about the Napoli vs Liverpool game. also purely based on what I observed from the matches I watched. maybe I don't know all the teams in the Champions League. but I am confident enough to know the teams in Serie A. I also said that about Juventus based on the observations and conclusions I observed from the match. but the difference in point of view in the observation is sure to occur. so I really only dared to enter a thread where I was confident enough to follow it and join the discussion in it. For example, I also don't dare to post about the Premier League because I'm not a fan of Premier League. so I don't like to make posts about premier league but sometimes I watch it when I bet for one of the teams in the English league. but I don't do much.

but to be honest my english is messed up. sometimes I find it difficult to express the right words with the right vocabulary. because of the limited memorization of vocabulary that I can master.

I am very grateful because your post is very helpful in improving the quality of posts by members in this forum including myself and cleaning it from spammers.

I will take this as a lesson. thanks for paying attention.

I will try to improve my post again so that it is no longer considered spam.

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Upcoming match between Aston Villa vs Leeds and indeed Aston Villa performance was still unstable under Emery but i can see this team has potention to survive on premier league and 1 lose from 5 matches it proven there are big improvement for Aston Villa and today as a host they will fight against Leeds and but to earn 3 points from Leeds it will not be so easy because Leeds sometimes performing well even they have interesting records during this season because Leeds can able to wins from strong teams for away matches but apparently for this match i wouldn't pick who is the winner of this match but i will be more prefer both teams to scores considering Aston Villa and Leeds were quite productive recently

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I don't even think barcelona will let him go to the arsenal. Barcelona has bought him last transfer season and it seems like that barcelona has no intention to sell him. I think that its' too early to say that if raphinha will be going to the arsenal. Barcelona has not yet given any confirmation regarding such rumour. I hope that he can consider what will be the best for his future. I meant he must also aware if he has not yet gotten any place in barcelona. He shall leave from there as soon as possible.



Some shit posts actually sound funny, Grin I found these users posting on the EPL, Laliga, Ligue1, and serie A threads, how are you going to post anything meaningful on a league you know nothing about? I know it's difficult to keep up with all of these leagues. It would be easier for you guys  to make good posts if you could only post on the leagues you watch frequently. It is not necessary for you to post on every gambling thread. I hope this notification helps you.

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Exactly my thoughts, because some users just try to blend in and maybe meet up activities in the gambling board in sports threads they are not familiar with and its all over the gambling discussion board. Making a good is going to be easy for you when you have some ideas and knowledge about the sports.

Most times, when am when reading the comments in the premier league thread, it really baffles me to see some of the funny shitpost users actually write. Just like the ones droped here, it clearly shows the user doesn't know what his/she is talking about.

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ChatGPT and gambling board spammers I'd think would drive everything into uncontrollable overdrive if it wasn't already there pre ChatGPT.

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ChatGPT and gambling board spammers I'd think would drive everything into uncontrollable overdrive if it wasn't already there pre ChatGPT.

I really want to use this site but it's hard.

I think ChatGPT won't help the spammer specially in the sports discussion threads. The reason is that ChatGPT does not have the latest data of live matches as its database contains only the matches prior to 2021. So spammers can't use ChatGPT to talk about current matches and tournaments.

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ChatGPT and gambling board spammers I'd think would drive everything into uncontrollable overdrive if it wasn't already there pre ChatGPT.

I really want to use this site but it's hard.

I think ChatGPT won't help the spammer specially in the sports discussion threads. The reason is that ChatGPT does not have the latest data of live matches as its database contains only the matches prior to 2021. So spammers can't use ChatGPT to talk about current matches and tournaments.

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https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/

This is at least partially false. There's been all kinds of discovery made by users that effectively prove that the database extends beyond 2021 but it's muffled by software.

Regardless, what you said is also partially true. And let's just say that sports is 100.00% safe. Huge portions of the board are exponentially more ripe for abuse than they already were.

I still stand by the only way to stop this problem is to stop the gambling monetization by low IQ button clickers. Anything else is fruitless. But the boards can do as they may.




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Exactly my thoughts, because some users just try to blend in and maybe meet up activities in the gambling board in sports threads they are not familiar with and its all over the gambling discussion board. Making a good is going to be easy for you when you have some ideas and knowledge about the sports.

Most times, when am when reading the comments in the premier league thread, it really baffles me to see some of the funny shitpost users actually write. Just like the ones droped here, it clearly shows the user doesn't know what his/she is talking about.

That I agree, you will be exposed trying to appear you know something about the sports when in fact it's out of topic, and you are just borrowing opinions from other posts and trying to make it appear original, so far the majority of the posts and thread I created in sports that I did are on boxing and other contact sports, I can easily relate as I subscribe to the top boxing and contact sports pages so I am updated on some of the events on this sports.
You can easily tell in the gambling section who are into boxing and contact sports because you often see them given the latest update and insight about the events and boxers that will clash.

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January 19, 2023, 12:27:15 PM
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Exactly my thoughts, because some users just try to blend in and maybe meet up activities in the gambling board in sports threads they are not familiar with and its all over the gambling discussion board. Making a good is going to be easy for you when you have some ideas and knowledge about the sports.
I don't post in the gambling sections very often, and the only reading I do here is when I'm reviewing posts for people.  It's definitely obvious when someone knows what they're talking about with respect to gambling, and I can also usually pick up on whether a poster is passionate about what he's writing.

Posts here tend to be a lot longer than in other sections like Bitcoin Discussion.  Is that because the gambling campaigns have fairly high character quotas?

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January 19, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
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Posts here tend to be a lot longer than in other sections like Bitcoin Discussion.  Is that because the gambling campaigns have fairly high character quotas?

There are too many game moments to discuss, especially when analyzing or defending your favorite team from opposing fans. You put all of your EMOTIONS into it, and that's one thing I don't see in the bitcoin discussion board. I'm not sure it has to do with sig character quotas.

BTW, the majority of users in the gambling board who write in mega-threads or have walls of text ( 5+ paragraph ) are usually spammers.

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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23


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Let's see how the thread is adopted in the future, and whether some users really switch from the old Bundesliga spam thread to my new thread. In any case, I will do my best to moderate the discussion reasonably. I guess, we will see pretty quickly whether there are really users who are interested in discussing the Bundesliga, or whether most of them only post in order to fulfil their quota for their signature campaigns.

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January 20, 2023, 02:02:32 PM
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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23

Let's see how the thread is adopted in the future, and whether some users really switch from the old Bundesliga spam thread to my new thread. In any case, I will do my best to moderate the discussion reasonably. I guess, we will see pretty quickly whether there are really users who are interested in discussing the Bundesliga, or whether most of them only post in order to fulfil their quota for their signature campaigns.
That's a very good initiative, I hope other people opening threads there will try to imitate you and will apply your model. It could become a norm in the gambling section in few month if people are willing to fight spam. IMO the best way to clean the gambling section is to delete shitposts ourselves and to reward quality posts. When shitposting won't pay anymore they will stop to do it.

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January 20, 2023, 02:05:35 PM
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ChatGPT and gambling board spammers I'd think would drive everything into uncontrollable overdrive if it wasn't already there pre ChatGPT.

I really want to use this site but it's hard.

I think ChatGPT won't help the spammer specially in the sports discussion threads. The reason is that ChatGPT does not have the latest data of live matches as its database contains only the matches prior to 2021. So spammers can't use ChatGPT to talk about current matches and tournaments.
But why should a user think about using ChatGPT for gambling discussion in the first place? is he that dump that can not just analyze/summarize or speak about just one particular event which took place during the just played football match or any other game on the gambling thread? Because no matter how people seems to may have spoken so well about this A.I tool, using it for gambling discussion will equally kill the thread, take away the vibes and mutual connection people normally get when trying to boost about or protect the image of their favorite football club, which I'm sure that's one thing ChatGPT can not do.

So, at this point I will like to say, lets not limit ourselves by giving what we can do to an ordinary A.I, as It only makes you lazy and reduces your level of productivity.





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January 20, 2023, 02:22:36 PM
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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23

This is a good initiative, JollyGood is running a similar self-moderated thread with similar rules on the EPL thread and it has really helped clear and prevent a lot of shit posters from the thread, if all the gambling threads were self-moderated the amount of spammers on that board would have been reduced to a control level at least but I also understand that not every user wants to bee moderated, which is why some reputable members are still very active on those mega spam thread I don't follow the Budesliga that closely, so I don't bother with their threads, but I hope that others who are interested in the league will take advantage of this generous offer. Merits will draw a lot of good posters.

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February 16, 2023, 10:53:49 AM
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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23

My little Bundesliga gambling experience is not going too well. While the non-moderated Bundesliga thread gets tons of (spam)-posts every day, the new thread is mostly overlooked by users who would regularly post something related to the Bundesliga.

Maybe one have to admit that users on a platform like Bitcointalk don't want to seriously discuss side topics like Bundesliga football or build a fun chat community around it, instead the monetary aspect is clearly in the foreground due to the bounty campaigns.

Too bad. I'll keep the thread open and see how it goes, but if I'm writing 50% of the posts myself, there's not much point to it to be honest.

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February 16, 2023, 04:43:38 PM
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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23

My little Bundesliga gambling experience is not going too well. While the non-moderated Bundesliga thread gets tons of (spam)-posts every day, the new thread is mostly overlooked by users who would regularly post something related to the Bundesliga.

Maybe one have to admit that users on a platform like Bitcointalk don't want to seriously discuss side topics like Bundesliga football or build a fun chat community around it, instead the monetary aspect is clearly in the foreground due to the bounty campaigns.

Too bad. I'll keep the thread open and see how it goes, but if I'm writing 50% of the posts myself, there's not much point to it to be honest.
There is too many topics abiut Bundesliga. I do all my Bundesliga writing in the pool topic and I am doing the same for all major leagues.

I belive that discussion there is the best possible since those are actually people that are willing to gamble money and not just spam the boards. So we actually already have those moderated threads and when you remove spammers and those in the pools you are left with almost no audiance.

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February 16, 2023, 10:42:05 PM
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It has bothered me for quite some time that a reasonable discussion on the Bundesliga is no longer possible on the Gambling Board, so today I have decided to open a new self-moderated Bundesliga thread with some clear rules: [DISCUSSION] German Bundesliga Season 22/23

My little Bundesliga gambling experience is not going too well. While the non-moderated Bundesliga thread gets tons of (spam)-posts every day, the new thread is mostly overlooked by users who would regularly post something related to the Bundesliga.

Maybe one have to admit that users on a platform like Bitcointalk don't want to seriously discuss side topics like Bundesliga football or build a fun chat community around it, instead the monetary aspect is clearly in the foreground due to the bounty campaigns.

Too bad. I'll keep the thread open and see how it goes, but if I'm writing 50% of the posts myself, there's not much point to it to be honest.
There is too many topics about Bundesliga. I do all my Bundesliga writing in the pool topic and I am doing the same for all major leagues.

I belive that discussion there is the best possible since those are actually people that are willing to gamble money and not just spam the boards. So we actually already have those moderated threads and when you remove spammers and those in the pools you are left with almost no audiance.

Trofo is correct, the majority of Bundesliga fans are only active in pool threads where there are users who know the game and not just random spammers trying to fill up post counts- I looked at the thread and it already has two pages of quality discussions and a few active users, so locking it is not a good idea because the thread was created a little late and is already gaining exposure and will only get better with time.

This season, I didn't pay much attention to the Bundesliga and Laliga because I don't have much access to their live matches due to the low broadcasting rights... Is there a good paid streaming platform where I can watch games?

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February 16, 2023, 11:22:23 PM
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There is too many topics abiut Bundesliga. I do all my Bundesliga writing in the pool topic and I am doing the same for all major leagues.

I belive that discussion there is the best possible since those are actually people that are willing to gamble money and not just spam the boards. So we actually already have those moderated threads and when you remove spammers and those in the pools you are left with almost no audiance.
Yeah, I also already gave up with main topics of leagues, it's impossible to have constructive discussion there. I only post in pool topics and for UEFA cups I use self-moderated topics made by @buwaytress. But there isn't much activity, probably spammers afraid that their posts will get removed.

Is there a good paid streaming platform where I can watch games?
There is services like DAZN, but it's not cheap and you will need good VPN to use it. Alternatively, you can try some IPTV services, it's not expensive and have all main sports channels.

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They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?

I am not sure how the campaign managers see this happening and are willing to pay them. They are having conversations with them selves and no one is reading it because it is obvious and they are destroying the topics for other people.
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They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?

I am not sure how the campaign managers see this happening and are willing to pay them. They are having conversations with them selves and no one is reading it because it is obvious and they are destroying the topics for other people.

As long as the conversation is helpful and relevant, there is nothing wrong with having a discussion with a select group of members alone on a thread. For a while, only JollyGood and I participated in the discussion on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275303.520.


Is there a good paid streaming platform where I can watch games?
There is services like DAZN, but it's not cheap and you will need good VPN to use it. Alternatively, you can try some IPTV services, it's not expensive and have all main sports channels.

Thanks I will check them out.

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They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?
You're probably worrying too much about the posting patterns and habits of other users on that board, and basically I think every user has their own patterns and habits because anyone is free to quote anyone's post including yours unless they ignore yours. Quoting the same user's post every day may be habit nature when they find it important and enjoyable, and I don't think this proves anything that both are alt.

Meanwhile I ignored dozens post of 1xbit participants on the gambling board, so the number of posters I will encounter there must be less than before. This allows me to find similar posters in threads so my chances of quoting their posts are higher.

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February 17, 2023, 12:03:48 PM
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Now I don't have much time these days, I still report posts from time to time, but usually only when I come across them. But with the restart of UEFA contests, I also saw myself getting pinged in my moderated threads, one user specifically mentioning what you said: the active threads are filled with spam. So I went to the bigger, more active Champions League page and the user was right, full of spam.

I reported posts from 3 users. 1 of which I decided to open up post history, and found that yup, they were posting spam across gambling. I reported all their posts for the day.

The result? My first reported post was marked Bad. That was only my 3rd "bad" report of my forum lifetime! But 4/5 of the others from the same users were deleted, one remained unhandled. The other 2 users were left unhandled.

I reported another 8 posts from 8 different users in 1 thread (La Liga) and only 1 was deleted/good, the rest unhandled.

I understand that moderators have strict thresholds so for sure, many of those posts don't deserve to be deleted but if you look at the majority of them, they're only recycling information that's easily Googled, or just rehashing earlier posts. To me, and to most of us, looking for helpful insight, betting tips or betting information, they really are just low-value comments that might as well be spam, since they don't even carry the thread of discussion, never respond to you if you reply to them, or DM them. That for me is enough to say they're not there to converse, they're there to post mindlessly.

I definitely saw initial activity on my newer self-moderated threads (those themselves were reactions to others who said it was getting hard to navigate with the post spam) but as AverageGlabella points out, these users don't reply to your conversations. To provide further evidence, I even tried PM'ing these guys after deleting their posts. Very, very few of them even responded back. Clearly, they didn't care or aren't even reading PMs, they're just wall-quoting and rehashing a comment.

It's definitely a dilemma. We now have 2/3 threads on the same topics. The ones with the most activity are not self-moderated, and has the lowest quality. I still participate from time to time and try to report posts. Generally, I still have a high accuracy count, but no longer have time to really help clean up. The ones with the highest quality are... well, the same people talking to each other. As Igebotz says, that's okay, and that's okay too, for me, since it serves the purposes of those needing those threads.

But yeah, for now, I'm ready to give up those self-moderated threads while there are also parallel topics involving paying users of paid pools. But does that work to exclude people who don't pay for those pools who still are genuine gamblers?

I feel like some responsibility also goes to those campaign managers of these users.

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February 17, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
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I reported posts from 3 users. 1 of which I decided to open up post history, and found that yup, they were posting spam across gambling. I reported all their posts for the day.

The result? My first reported post was marked Bad. That was only my 3rd "bad" report of my forum lifetime! But 4/5 of the others from the same users were deleted, one remained unhandled. The other 2 users were left unhandled.

I reported another 8 posts from 8 different users in 1 thread (La Liga) and only 1 was deleted/good, the rest unhandled.
The important thing is they're being seen. Users, and moderators will never agree on everything, and moderators can't act upon the assumption that a user wouldn't reply to you or they're doing it simply to fill their quota. There has to be some sort of evidence, and that's what we act upon. However, I can confidently say that all your reports are being seen, and it's very likely a lot of those unhandled one's will be handled eventually. Although, if they do stay unhandled it could be a borderline case which no moderator feels confidently enough to act upon it, but don't necessarily think you're wrong.

Unhandled reports have their uses. Anyhow, all the reports I've made there recently have been handled, and I'm planning on visiting the Gambling section, and actually reporting regularly soon. I'm just going through the motions in the Altcoin section at the moment Tongue.

We just need a few reporters that don't necessarily care about their percentage, and just regularly report there. Once they start losing their activity or earnings they'll think twice about spamming in the future. Unfortunately, they only do it because they know they can get away with it. That's no backhanded insult to the moderators that receive the reports ther either, like I said all of them are seen, and most of them are acted upon. It's just there's so much it's a full time job to actually get that section back to acceptable levels. 
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February 18, 2023, 09:25:13 AM
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The important thing is they're being seen. Users, and moderators will never agree on everything, and moderators can't act upon the assumption that a user wouldn't reply to you or they're doing it simply to fill their quota. There has to be some sort of evidence, and that's what we act upon. However, I can confidently say that all your reports are being seen, and it's very likely a lot of those unhandled one's will be handled eventually. Although, if they do stay unhandled it could be a borderline case which no moderator feels confidently enough to act upon it, but don't necessarily think you're wrong.

Unhandled reports have their uses. Anyhow, all the reports I've made there recently have been handled, and I'm planning on visiting the Gambling section, and actually reporting regularly soon. I'm just going through the motions in the Altcoin section at the moment Tongue.

We just need a few reporters that don't necessarily care about their percentage, and just regularly report there. Once they start losing their activity or earnings they'll think twice about spamming in the future. Unfortunately, they only do it because they know they can get away with it. That's no backhanded insult to the moderators that receive the reports ther either, like I said all of them are seen, and most of them are acted upon. It's just there's so much it's a full time job to actually get that section back to acceptable levels. 

Agree! And I'm not calling out anyone (I hope it didn't come across like that). I know mods work hard, and there are more users than we think also contributing. And the forum is cleaner than it was in 2017 (that's my impression). Only seems that the spam's moved to gambling and it's probably going to take some effort that can't be made by users+moderators.

Altcoin section, I haven't looked in ages. It was scary then..!

Oh and I don't care about percentages either... I have hundreds of unhandled. It's just the "Bad" report came out of the blue for me haha. Altcoin section is where reporters are required eh? Interesting!

P.S. Curiously, that post that gave me the bad report I mentioned is now deleted. Did someone change their mind maybe? Not (that) important heh

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February 19, 2023, 10:44:14 AM
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P.S. Curiously, that post that gave me the bad report I mentioned is now deleted. Did someone change their mind maybe? Not (that) important heh

I guess someone's else reported the same post recently since unhandled cases from the previous months are left that way and not visited again due to work load.

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February 21, 2023, 09:40:23 PM
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The only solution that I can think about is the following:
It's in signature campaign managers' interest to find high quality posters. Logically, if they are promoting casinos, they want people who frequently post in gambling boards and that's the reason why they set 10 post min in gambling section limit. But the problem is that there are so many gambling-related signature campaigns that they physically can't find quality posters who are also interested in gambling but they still leave the rule in force and close an eye on low quality poster if they follow rules. But, instead, they should make more individual rules. If I usually post in Economics but post 3-4 high quality posts a week in gambling section, then I will be a better candidate than the one who doesn't give a shit and posts in that section just to get payment. It's quality over quantity. I think everyone would prefer one $10 banknote over ten times 0.20 cents.

Imagine, there is a guy who posts nonsense 10 times a week in gambling section. Will anyone read that? Maybe you'll read one line and then ignore, will move on second member. I believe highest percentage of people don't even want to visit 95% of threads in Gambling sections. When bunch of spammers post and read each-others posts, no one from them is gonna visit your promoted website, it's all done for $$ purposes. So, the money is wasted.

To be honest, Chipmixer's signature campaign should be an ideal example for everyone. For me, it become a standard that if I see Chipmixer in someone's signature, then I read their posts with more interest because I've seen quality from them, almost every member from this campaign post interesting posts. They promote Chipmixer and Chipmixer promotes them on this forum, it's fun but real.

So, the only deal in this situation, that will benefit forum and promoter company is to become more individual and don't set standards that your participants won't be able to meet. Become more narrow into choosing posters. Choose the one who posts for example 30 quality posts in economy section and is active there, choose the second one who is best in trading section, choose the third one who is best in gambling. I genuinely believe this will be better.

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March 27, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
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OP I appreciate the work you’re doing to clean the gambling board. I think this user Prince Malik should be on the list. He keeps referring to the champions league as the EPL. I don’t know what football fan would consistently make that mistake. I think being in 1xbit signature campaign encourages this kind of trash post.
Benfica team is doing very great this year in the Epl and it will not be an easy task for Napoli to get the qualification against them, it's true that Napoli have clear superiority against them but but I feel that benfica can do something big this year in the EPL, if they manage well the first leg things will be very hard for Napoli

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March 27, 2023, 09:12:23 PM
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The only solution that I can think about is the following:
It's in signature campaign managers' interest to find high quality posters. Logically, if they are promoting casinos, they want people who frequently post in gambling boards and that's the reason why they set 10 post min in gambling section limit. But the problem is that there are so many gambling-related signature campaigns that they physically can't find quality posters who are also interested in gambling but they still leave the rule in force and close an eye on low quality poster if they follow rules. But, instead, they should make more individual rules. If I usually post in Economics but post 3-4 high quality posts a week in gambling section, then I will be a better candidate than the one who doesn't give a shit and posts in that section just to get payment. It's quality over quantity. I think everyone would prefer one $10 banknote over ten times 0.20 cents.

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So, the only deal in this situation, that will benefit forum and promoter company is to become more individual and don't set standards that your participants won't be able to meet. Become more narrow into choosing posters. Choose the one who posts for example 30 quality posts in economy section and is active there, choose the second one who is best in trading section, choose the third one who is best in gambling. I genuinely believe this will be better.

It's all about targeting your audience, those who are likely to use your site, then the board appropriate for your project, and finally the frequent poster on that board, not those who are just posting to farm activity, but recently number of merit in the last 120 days has been used to rate quality posters by most managers, and that's how most spammers found their way to sig campaign and started spamming everywhere.


Unless you are running a shitcoin project, you have no business with frequent posters in the trading section if you run a casino site.


OP I appreciate the work you’re doing to clean the gambling board. I think this user Prince Malik should be on the list. He keeps referring to the champions league as the EPL. I don’t know what football fan would consistently make that mistake. I think being in 1xbit signature campaign encourages this kind of trash post.
Benfica team is doing very great this year in the Epl and it will not be an easy task for Napoli to get the qualification against them, it's true that Napoli have clear superiority against them but but I feel that benfica can do something big this year in the EPL, if they manage well the first leg things will be very hard for Napoli

All 1xbit participants are on my ignore list, its a waste of time, i don't read from them

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