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June 21, 2022, 08:01:58 PM
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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.

A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
This would only create more spam, and it's just bandage solution that fixes nothing.
Creators of many topics are not active members so that would create a mess of many duplicate topics in forum.

Admin to convert the already existing thread to self-moderated.
I will repeat again that you can't force someone to self moderate thread if he doesn't want to do it.

Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers?
Good managers are not blind and they can see who the spammers are.
You can report all post you consider to be spam, that is how you can improve the forum.

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June 21, 2022, 08:47:35 PM
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1. A lot of spam posts not just in discussion but in ANN threads.
You're definitely right there, but most of those announcements are for crap projects, and I think it's become standard for that section to be a spam-infested, zero-value trap for shitposters and paid shills.  The gambling section(s) shouldn't be that way.

I'm not a gambler and generally don't visit either of the gambling-related sections except for when I'm doing post history reviews for members on request.  When I've done that I've noticed that I'm visiting threads that are hundreds of pages long sometimes.  It's almost like there are multiple Wall Observer threads there!  But like OP mentioned, there are so many campaigns that require posts in the gambling section that it's inevitable that threads with so many pages are going to attract the worst posters, as they know nobody is going to read anything they write.

Not sure if any changes are going to be made, but I'd certainly support everything OP is proposing, especially having to lock threads after a certain period of time.  OTOH, I have a feeling that those shitposters in campaigns will invariably find a way to get around whatever restrictions/changes that are imposed, since they still have to meet their post quota (and you know nothing's going to stop them from doing that).

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June 21, 2022, 09:30:47 PM
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Thank you for bringing discussion on this topic to a wider audience.

I cannot speak for others but I am glad I created self-moderated threads for sports discussions. There is no right or wrong way to move forward, it is all about opinions. If someone creates a thread and does not self-moderate then that is their decision and they can weigh up the pros and cons. The same applies for those that wish to post and read posts in those threads.

For me, I do not regret deciding to take action against spammers and low quality posts hence the statistics you posted where I deleted many posts. Having certain self-moderated threads for specific reasons makes sense just as having not having them in order threads/topics makes equal sense.

Your contributions in my Premier League thread was substantial and having those types of posts with detailed information and quality being drowned out by signature spammers is something that I prefer to avoid. I will continue with self-moderating several threads as the football, tennis and boxing gets going soon.

I have a fairly substantial ignore list and distrust list but I will go through the names you listed and add them if it is warranted therefore thank you for your efforts. As and when I have time I will continue to contribute in my own way to the community too Wink


Casinos sig campaign has the most signature participants on the forum, and because of the high demand for gambling-related posts from participants, the gambling discussion board has become a haven for signature spammers - why is this? I bet the majority of those who applied to those campaigns had no knowledge of the game, but because the rules require a minimum of 10 posts on the gambling board, most of these users with no knowledge of the game just spam the hell out of the board with low quality and offtopic discussion to complete post counts. I spend the majority of my time reporting, especially in the last few days, but that alone is ineffective.

The concern.

Just want to notify you guys! I see some people are very familiar to do post in gambling discussion mega thread. I will suggest to not make post on these mega threads. I really don't like this. Smiley

7. The posting quality will be thoroughly checked – posts in spam mega threads, campaign threads (including this one), necro posts and low-quality posts will not be counted.

The Solutions

* Is there a way the admin can turn thread to a self- moderated thread and hand it over to another OP who is ready to moderate the thread? I will volunteer I spend 90% of my time there.

* Is a self-moderated thread the answer? Yes, it reduces spam; consider JollyGood self-moderated threads as an example; zero 1xbit spammers, zero low posts since the beginning of last season, we talked and agreed to keep it clean for quality discussion only, and the result is fantastic!

⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 self-moderated 356 spam posts deleted

⚽ FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2021/22 Season FINAL Real Madrid vs Liverpool self-moderated 15 spam posts deleted

Now what threads are the spammers fishing on?

⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions by tokeweed

⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid by buwaytress

La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 by trofo

Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) by scaccomatt0

Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread by n30111

Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022   by trofo


My Suggestions!
  • Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
  • A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
  • Admin to convert the already existing thread to self-moderated.

Top gambling board spammers; excluded 1xbit spammers.

These users have zero knowledge of the game(Football) you can check their post history for details!

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Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers? Too harsh?

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June 21, 2022, 10:12:35 PM
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Very nice issue raised here Op.

I have to agree and disagree on some of the issues you raised.
  • I was an active user in the gambling discussion thread. I am not a gambler but I am a football lover and analyst, that was why I liked the board. Though I posted much there because my first three campaigns were all gambling campaigns (Rollbit, Blackjack and FortuneJack). It is sad that some people that has zero knowledge of the game comfortably drop nonsense and unrelated posts
  • I personally feel that updating this thread and calling the users out would be enough punishment.  Then managers would likely visit the thread before accepting users.
  • I do not buy the idea of self moderating the topics or locking the threads. The threads give me the idea of how long the forum has been. When I'm less busy I do visit page 5, 6, 20, etc of those 1000+ pages to read what happened then and have fun. I don't wish it should be locked

The best is to report as many as you can and also call out the individuals periodically.

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June 21, 2022, 10:54:12 PM
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OTOH, I have a feeling that those shitposters in campaigns will invariably find a way to get around whatever restrictions/changes that are imposed, since they still have to meet their post quota (and you know nothing's going to stop them from doing that).
I'm sure there must be a stopped to spammers if they never change and keep making really bad posts especially when a number of posts are reported and deleted by moderators then that user will get a warning. Moderators will ban spamming users especially after a large number of their posts are deleted and moderators usually give them a temporary ban before banning the user permanently.

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If more and more self-moderation thread remove a large number of spam posts from spammers then it will only reduce spam without any meaningful change to the culprit unless a neutral or negative tag is given (negative tags probably shouldn't be), but by reporting the post then there are two benefits to be had is taken and it is less spam because it is removed and chances of stopping spammers due to temporary ban or permanent ban. But I can totally understand why the OP is starting to worry about the gambling board so far and that's why many merit source will ignore that board.

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June 21, 2022, 11:31:57 PM
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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.
Only shitposters would avoid writing in a self-moderated thread, and I never forced anyone to do so; I only offered a solution that would reduce spam to a bare minimum; isn't that worth a shot?

A new thread should be created at the beginning of every season. Old thread locked.
This would only create more spam, and it's just bandage solution that fixes nothing.
Creators of many topics are not active members so that would create a mess of many duplicate topics in forum.
how do a locked thread create more spams? Do you read before you write? I doubt.

Will a neutral tag with a bold message to these users be sufficient to send a signal to sig managers?
Good managers are not blind and they can see who the spammers are.
You can report all post you consider to be spam, that is how you can improve the forum.
Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind? The moderators cant start looking for spam posts on their own; they still need the assistance of the community. The same applies to managers; it is impossible to keep track of all their participants; they are not blind, but there is no harm in assisting them. They can't see everything on their own.

I do not buy the idea of self moderating the topics or locking the threads. The threads give me the idea of how long the forum has been. When I'm less busy I do visit page 5, 6, 20, etc of those 1000+ pages to read what happened then and have fun. I don't wish it should be locked
You can also have access to a locked topic content, I don't know there your misunderstanding is coming from!

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Lock the thread; create a self-moderated thread
It's impossible for everyone to start creating self-moderated threads and you can't force people to do it, if they simply don't want to do the moderating job.
You can have many threads like this but this won't change a thing if creator is not active and deleting stuff all the time.
This can have more negative sides with many members avoiding to write in self-moderated topics.
Only shitposters would avoid writing in a self-moderated thread, and I never forced anyone to do so; I only offered a solution that would reduce spam to a bare minimum; isn't that worth a shot?

I would rather emphasize here the responsibility of campaign managers who tolerate this type of spam posting. Most campaigns are run by casinos and gambling sites and it is to be expected that they want their signatures in the gambling section, but various bonuses only encourage additional spam. A lower payment rate will bring the lower quality of signature posters, in the end, less effort from the manager himself to check every post from every participant.

The gambling board is starting to look more and more like the bounties section which is completely moderated by the campaign managers.

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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.

I would rather emphasize here the responsibility of campaign managers who tolerate this type of spam posting. Most campaigns are run by casinos and gambling sites and it is to be expected that they want their signatures in the gambling section, but various bonuses only encourage additional spam. A lower payment rate will bring the lower quality of signature posters, in the end, less effort from the manager himself to check every post from every participant.

The gambling board is starting to look more and more like the bounties section which is completely moderated by the campaign managers.

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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.
It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.

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June 22, 2022, 09:17:35 AM
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Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind?
Report to moderator button is not made for managers  Roll Eyes

Do you read before you write? I doubt.
I doubt you even think before you write, and I don't know how you can be moderator to anyone, I would never hire you for anything.
If you don't understand my words written in English language maybe you should hire some translator to explain better what I wanted to say.
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June 22, 2022, 09:37:03 AM
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Maybe some campaign managers feel pressured in to filling slots therefore allow many things to take place which they normally would not. It depends on the campaign manager and also on the business being promoted. I agree, lowering payment and bonuses will probably bring an even lower quality of post from spammers but there is no easy solution except to self-moderate threads in boards where signature spammers and scammers are running riot.
It's not up to campaign manager all the time I think. Sometimes, project representative also mention some rules and among them, I have always seen they have a high number of post requirements in gambling sector. Personally, I don’t like to force users to post on any section but projects requires a minimum number. Campaign manager can recommend to lower it which I did too but sometimes, you can't follow your own. You have to hear the project owner.
There is nothing wrong with the number of posts requirement; I can write top 20+ top quality gambling posts weekly without issue; even if the managers reduce it to 2 gambling posts per week, a shitposter without game knowledge will still shitpost; a self-moderated thread will help the managers, moderators, and make discussion easier. Even worse is word spinning, copy and pasting from bogus sources in the same thread.

Why is there a "Report to moderator" button when they are not blind?
Report to moderator button is not made for managers  Roll Eyes
You stated that the managers are not blind to catch spammers on their own, so I gave you the "report to moderator button" as an example to drag you through the mud.

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Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.
I reported a few posts yesterday, and they were all handled as good. I was even expecting maybe one of them to be left as unhandled as it could've been subjective. So, the reports are getting handled, and I expect your reports were definitely seen.

If you don't feel like reporting, I could start reporting in that section. I'm there anyway, mainly for the UFC thread, though. I can also handle some of the newbie reports, but there isn't a whole lot of those in the last few months.
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OP, thanks for your information but I think it's long been realized and even some forum contributors have been ignoring gambling board as much as they can afford and that's just as much as they are ignoring altcoin discussion board.

I don't like spam and it made me try to avoid spam posts as best as possible and it also made me decide to report a number of spammers to moderators over the time. I reported a number of spammer profiles and posts to the moderators on the gambling board [some of which were handled good], but from most of those reports I got unsatisfactory results as they were not handled to this day. I have said time and time again that my 100+ reports on the gambling board are not handled regardless of the reason and that made me stop doing it.

I admit that there are a number of signature spammers paid for bitcoin or altcoin who post spam there without good knowledge. Some of them are 100% active there just to avoid post deletion as reported, and this led me to ask one of the moderators how to go about it. I'm sure everything will be resolved on a case by case basis as the moderators also can't delete any user's posts that don't violate the rules even if they disagree. This perspective may have led you to suggest a thread of self-moderation on gambling boards so spammers can be suppressed, I certainly agree but I hope that doesn't prevent anyone from free speech. I like to report spam posts, and for your suggestions I'd also support them in case it's a very urgent matter.

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I don't like spam and it made me try to avoid spam posts as best as possible and it also made me decide to report a number of spammers to moderators over the time. I reported a number of spammer profiles and posts to the moderators on the gambling board [some of which were handled good], but from most of those reports I got unsatisfactory results as they were not handled to this day. I have said time and time again that my 100+ reports on the gambling board are not handled regardless of the reason and that made me stop doing it.
Would you say they were rather subjective, and could pass as good or bad depending on the user reviewing it? Like, some posts are so obviously spam, there would be universal agreement. However, when you get to the borderline cases as I like to call them, that's when reports usually go unhandled. They've definitely been seen, I'm quite confident of that.

I usually leave reports unhandled, when I don't necessarily disagree why the post was reported, but don't think it warrants enough action. Although, my sections are fairly easy so this doesn't happen very often, but you can see when it does because the reports stay in the report queue for a long time, which gives me the assumption that other moderators also feel the same way about it. 
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Would you say they were rather subjective, and could pass as good or bad depending on the user reviewing it? Like, some posts are so obviously spam, there would be universal agreement. However, when you get to the borderline cases as I like to call them, that's when reports usually go unhandled. They've definitely been seen, I'm quite confident of that.
Judging user posts is a bit subjective indeed, and I think moderators will have their own interpretation of handling reports. In the gray area the report is most likely not handled because the ongoing discussion can still be considered constructive if the user really understands the discussion.

I agree that the moderators have seen my report, and that's why they don't handle it. I've asked you in the previous PM about this case, so that makes me quite understand how things happen there.

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Yeah, I can understand the subjective aspect of it. If you feel more comfortable just reporting the ones which are clear spam then do that. I don't mind getting bad or unhandled reports obviously, so I might take a look at some of the places where there's a bit more spam around. I've been meaning to start reporting more again, anyway. Plus, it's one of the sections I'm fairly active in.

It might be the solution, self moderated threads for anything that users don't believe to be breaking the rules, but to be low quality enough to annoy them. At the end of the day, those that are actively participating will actually have a better feel for a user, if they're the ones communicating with them. Moderators get a report, and will have to look at the discussion, but we might not get a gist for what has happened prior. You know, someone talking about a transfer or whatever, might sound on topic enough, and okay quality to a moderator, because we only get a small picture.

However, the thread owner if they're reading absolutely everything from day one will recognise patterns of a user, and if they do the same thing over, and over. So, self moderated threads definitely do make sense in some scenarios, but for the above example I'd still recommend reporting them, since if it's a common occurrence of this user, they might need a little more persuading to cut it out. 

I'd recommend it in combination. Self mod for anything that's not breaking the forum guidelines, but is still you know not your original intention for starting the thread. If anyone dislikes it they can start a new thread. Otherwise, anything that's breaking the forum rules, it's always best to report them even if it's in a self modded thread.

I agree that the moderators have seen my report, and that's why they don't handle it. I've asked you in the previous PM about this case, so that makes me quite understand how things happen there.
Oh yeah. I do remember that now Cheesy. It was only a couple months ago too. Sorry, I do tend to get a lot more messages these days.
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Most of my reported cases went unhandled, not because they were bad reports, but because they never got to the mod or the mod decided to ignore them. It is difficult to report when the end result is ¹/⁴.
I reported a few posts yesterday, and they were all handled as good. I was even expecting maybe one of them to be left as unhandled as it could've been subjective. So, the reports are getting handled, and I expect your reports were definitely seen.

If you don't feel like reporting, I could start reporting in that section. I'm there anyway, mainly for the UFC thread, though. I can also handle some of the newbie reports, but there isn't a whole lot of those in the last few months.

Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin

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Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin
I honestly doubt that your topic somehow made mods more aware of the spam and just because the posts you reported weren't deleted doesn't mean that mods were not doing their job or ignoring them. I did my share of reports in gambling board when I was active in NBA thread and majority of posts reported were deleted.

I do agree that gambling board is full of members that have no idea about topics they are talking about but that's solely on signature campaign managers and their rules that force people to write there.

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New self-moderated threads for the upcoming season for those who want to enjoy quality discussion while also making money with some predictions and odds I'll be dropping on a daily basis. Cheesy

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Yes, we can all agree that my post drew the attention of the mods, Right? and we are now receiving prompt responses as well; I will do some reporting and see how things go..  Grin
I honestly doubt that your topic somehow made mods more aware of the spam and just because the posts you reported weren't deleted doesn't mean that mods were not doing their job or ignoring them.

You miss the joke Rik.  Grin

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I do agree that gambling board is full of members that have no idea about topics they are talking about but that's solely on signature campaign managers and their rules that force people to write there.
'solely' on campaign managers? I wholly disagree with that, these campaigns are gambling casinos, and thus they would want their signature shown in the gambling area of the forum, i see absolutely nothing wrong in that; if you notice, signature campaigns that aren't related to casinos/gambling do not make any rule of a certain number of posts to be made in the gambling section.

If you are to blame anyone, then it should be the users who spam and not the CM or the campaigns, and mind you that most campaigns only require about 10 posts to be made in the gambling board per week and that is not too much for users with understanding of what they are writing. And imo i do not think users are 'forced' to post there, they applied for the campaigns themselves even after seeing its rules requires gambling posts, so that simply means they are accepting to make the required posts there, and should do it constructively.





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