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June 26, 2022, 04:41:25 PM
Last edit: June 29, 2022, 11:29:06 AM by Kamix
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Hello everyone,

I am not a legendary member of the forum and also I am not really active here. Nevertheless, I read along regularly. Today there was an incident on the German-speaking board that I would like to clarify.

There is a small group of users around the user Unknown01 who have been spreading Russian propaganda and trivializing the war in Ukraine for some time now. Lies are openly posted and war crimes are denied. I didn't want to watch this disgrace any longer and joined the discussion today. I confronted the user and asked him how he justifies some Russian war crimes of the last days and posted a few links.

Of course, the user did not reply to my post, but insulted me as a fake account and threatened me that theymos will ban me soon if I continue to express my opinion (that there are war crimes of course). He also said that he already has a list for of "suspicious" accounts that refute his Russian propaganda and that he wants banned by theymos. In short: I'm told to either shut up or get banned by the admins.

How can it be that a user with a higher rank can oppress a user in such a way? Can I really be banned for contradicting the lies he posts?

The User Unknown01 is supported by his friends s0nix and MinoRaiola who sent positive feedback to each other without any reason other than to make their account look better.



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Da ist man seit langem mal im Forum unterwegs... unfassbar was Putin Trolle bei Bitcointalk verbreiten. Eine Schande für die Bitcoin Community...

Keine Ahnung also was sich unsere Kasperln denken? Wenn man neutral die Situation betrachtet gibt es keinen einzigen Kanzler/Präsidenten  auf unserer Seite der es annähernd körperlich oder geistig mit Putin aufnehmen könnte. Toll, dass die Herren sich aufjedenfall amüsieren können.

Was bist du für ein erbärmlicher Putin Troll. Dir kann man nur wünschen, dass du das Leid was die Ukrainer erleben selbst durchmachen müsstest...

Deine Posthistorie strotzt nur vor Lügen. Wander doch nach Russland aus. Dann kannst du deinem starken Führer Putin den Hintern pudern.



Kriegsverbrechen Russlands in den letzten Tagen...

Einsatz Thermite Bomben: https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1540780660092276736
Erbeutung der größten Solaranlage der Ukraine in Zaporizhia: https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1539936009898557441
Denazifizierung eines Kindergartens in Kiew: https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1540980764908609537


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DT farming, baseless positive feedback, trust abuse, Russian propaganda, trolling


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June 26, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
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I don't want to use google translator and get misinformed but regardless of whatever he said, you are unlikely to get banned if you have followed the rules. There's no way you will get banned just because you have shared your opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't know why would he say something like this. Why would even he threaten you? If someone doesn’t like other opinion, they can simply "ignore" the user.
Nevermind, have you broken any rules? If no, I would say please move on. That would be good for both.

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June 26, 2022, 04:51:48 PM
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Can I really be banned for contradicting the lies he posts?
No, you won't be banned so long as you did not break any forum rules, certainly not for expressing your opinion. They probably have no argument point and just want to shut up by scaring you.


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June 26, 2022, 04:52:27 PM
Last edit: June 27, 2022, 01:34:12 AM by 1miau
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 #4

I can confirm that the threat happened against Kamix and Unknown01 completely lost his mind.
Unknown01 is involved in various shenanigans against established accounts and new accounts.

I fact, he's taking the German section hostage with his Off-Topic shitposts and baseless accusations.

However: I think that there is no chance at all that @Kamix will be banned because Kamix didn't break any rule.
Kamix is a friendly account from our German section.
If there would be a ban, Unknown01 would be first. Unknown01 is providing no value to the forum and now he's starting to attack new accounts.

There's an easy solution:


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June 26, 2022, 04:59:00 PM
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but insulted me as a fake account and threatened me that theymos will ban me soon

Even multi-accounts are allowed in the forum, that's not an offense that can cause ban.
Of course, there are many who don't like others tell they're wrong, especially if the others are lower ranked (although that should not matter if there would be a fair exchange of opinions).
As you can see, 1miau has answered him that he's wrong in those opinions. The rest.. is just cheap talk.

Believe it or not, freedom of speech (like on this forum) also means that some will say that Putin is great (even if every sane person knows that he's just another war criminal) and their posts are allowed. You have to either grow a thicker skin, either press the ignore link. As simple as that.

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June 26, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
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Op you cannot be banned because of what that user said, the only things that can get a user banned is plagiarism or posting malware in the forum, if you have done none of these, then just ignore whatever threat it is that you have received and continue posting in the forum as normal. This forum doesn't impede on users' freedom of speech and opinion, thus if a particular user is getting on your nerves, just ignore the person.





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Believe it or not, freedom of speech (like on this forum) also means that some will say that Putin is great (even if every sane person knows that he's just another war criminal) and their posts are allowed. You have to either grow a thicker skin, either press the ignore link. As simple as that.
The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section: they are thinking they can abuse Bitcointalk for their agenda and post their nonsense without receiving harsh opposition for their inhuman hot takes. They are derailing our local board. That's what's wrong and we have talked to them whats wrong about it.
They aren't listening and instead now, they are threatening Newbies with bans (which is funny because troll accounts don't have any power to ban anyone, their lack of forum rules, DT and other stuff is apalling)
Yes, it's not only limited to propaganda spam but also to giving out positive trust to other troll accounts, which is deeply concerning in my opinion because it's not how positive trust should be used. Such feedbacks should be neutral, see here.



Don't worry... as long as you haven't broken any rules, you can ignore the user's empty threats. He has no clue about the forum's rules (and that is why he constantly breaks them himself).
However his bad behaviour (especially against a newbie) and that of his colleagues really damage the reputation (of the forum's German section), which is unfortunate. Their behaviour already lead to the imminent closure of the German "Corona-Thread".
Actually it's quite funny that exactly this user who is not unknown for his off-topic shitposts threatens you with a ban.
Exactly!
The accounts mentioned by OP aren't contributing any value, have no forum rules awareness, know nothing about DT, are just spamming 24/7 our German section and now also attacking Newbie accounts.  Cheesy
They are not beneficial for Bitcointalk.

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I can confirm: User Unknown01 has shown his unfriendly behaviour quite often and should be distrusted

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June 26, 2022, 05:52:50 PM
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He also said that he already has a list for of "suspicious" accounts that refute his Russian propaganda and that he wants banned by theymos. In short: I'm told to either shut up or get banned by the admins.
Forum staffs, admin do not involve with members' affairs. The ban happens if you plagiarize contents but in other occasions it's very rare case.

If there would be a ban, Unknown01 would be first. Unknown01 is providing no value to the forum and now he's starting to attack new accounts.
The user seems known to me, I mean I saw him many times in posts like I see a lot of you. I did not see his recent activities (may consider a look) but the name sounds familiar to me and I get the feel that he is not a shit poster. Anyway, I will look at his post history shortly before making any bad assumption.

Is that me only seeing another complain in local board after the Arabic section? Feels me so many hates and bad arguments in local boards between homies.

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I am makiing two sperate posts due to this; The message exceeds the maximum allowed length (64000 characters).



There is more to those accounts, especially when I see the way they exchange positive ratings. It looks like someone is trying so hard to farm or manipulate the trust system using their alts.

These are two that I have found out so far;

Week 169, s0nix does this

Trust list for: s0nix (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h)
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2. NEW gmaxwell (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 5066 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW phantastisch (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 289 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW malevolent (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 671 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW Balthazar (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (3) 358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW yxt (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW qwk (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2245 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW mprep (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1346 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW mezzomix (Trust: neutral) (251 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1454 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW Cyrus (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 975 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. NEW ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1133 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. NEW coco23 (Trust: neutral) (307 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW Mitchell (Trust: +43 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 758 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. NEW Ticked (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 221 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. NEW wwzsocki (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =10 / -0) (DT1 (-8) 871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. NEW jeremypwr (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1618 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. NEW EFS (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 329 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW Ov3R (Trust: neutral) (268 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2796 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. NEW hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1152 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. NEW EcuaMobi (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 464 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. NEW arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 886 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. NEW buckrogers (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. NEW Buchi-88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (673 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. NEW Lesbian Cow (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 730 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. NEW willi9974 (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 650 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. NEW JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5087 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. NEW achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3563 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. NEW DaveF (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. NEW teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 941 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. NEW thandie (Trust: neutral) (282 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. NEW irfan_pak10 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. NEW BitcoinPenny (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 921 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1884 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
38. NEW bitbollo (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1220 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. NEW Royse777 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1673 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
40. NEW zazarb (Trust: +38 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
41. NEW LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 5421 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
42. NEW Poly#Crypto (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
43. NEW o_solo_miner (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 346 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. NEW sandy-is-fine (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. NEW klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
46. NEW LoyceV (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (56) 9588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
47. NEW actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
48. NEW The Pharmacist (Trust: +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 4101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
49. NEW LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2311 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
50. NEW SFR10 (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1542 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
51. NEW TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1099 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
52. NEW phishead (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
53. NEW TryNinja (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3471 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
54. NEW ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 598 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
55. NEW condoras (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 583 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
56. NEW Lafu (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 1662 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
57. NEW Coin_trader (Trust: +7 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (2) 286 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. NEW polymerbit (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 541 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
59. NEW HCP (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3671 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
60. NEW crwth (Trust: +7 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (1) 858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
61. NEW Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 889 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
62. NEW bct_ail (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1317 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
63. NEW Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -2) (DT1 (-7) 1095 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
64. NEW Baofeng (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1183 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
65. NEW be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (DT1 (-10) 453 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
66. NEW Koal-84 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (631 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
67. NEW krogothmanhattan (Trust: +76 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1923 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
68. NEW wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -2) (DT1 (-14) 712 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
69. NEW JollyGood (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1019 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
70. NEW RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (1) 581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
71. NEW Unknown01 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
72. NEW roycilik (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1708 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
73. NEW CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2613 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
74. NEW El duderino_ (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 8266 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
75. NEW Beobachter_90 (Trust: neutral) (57 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
76. NEW KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1215 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
77. NEW Trofo (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 1265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
78. NEW Coin-1 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1594 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
79. NEW icopress (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
80. NEW bavicrypto (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
81. NEW GreatArkansas (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1137 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
82. NEW sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 990 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
83. NEW o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 9507 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
84. NEW logfiles (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1129 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
85. NEW MinoRaiola (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1020 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
86. NEW Agrawas (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
87. NEW GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
88. NEW Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1154 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
89. NEW tranthidung (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2841 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
90. NEW tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1507 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
91. NEW dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3835 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
92. NEW witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2504 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
93. NEW bitmover (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 3373 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
94. NEW DdmrDdmr (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 7133 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
95. NEW cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =3 / -8) (DT1! (1) 1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
96. NEW Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1817 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. NEW abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2039 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
98. NEW madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1475 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
99. NEW COOLCRYPTOVATOR (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 1973 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
100. NEW lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2773 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
101. NEW Harkorede (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 525 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
102. NEW YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1450 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
103. NEW efialtis (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1206 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
104. NEW Ratimov (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 7379 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
105. NEW zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 3054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
106. NEW Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 818 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
107. NEW FatFork (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1123 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
108. NEW NotATether (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2772 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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June 26, 2022, 06:11:04 PM
Merited by 1miau (2), Nestade (1)
 #11

Then 2 weeks later, week 171, thandie does this

Trust list for: thandie (Trust: neutral) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h)
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thandie Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW theymos (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 8570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW gmaxwell (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 5092 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW xyz (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW phantastisch (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 289 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ewibit (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (26 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW malevolent (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 688 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW Balthazar (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (3) 358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW yxt (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW qwk (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2254 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW mprep (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1346 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW mezzomix (Trust: neutral) (251 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1454 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. NEW lassdas (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (277 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. NEW philipma1957 (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1817 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. NEW Cyrus (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 1054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. NEW Evolyn (Trust: neutral) (6 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. NEW Milquetoast (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (17 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. NEW ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. NEW d5000 (Trust: neutral) (2340 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW bitcoinminer42 (Trust: neutral) (180 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW HeRetiK (Trust: neutral) (1217 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. NEW hanspeter77 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. NEW Mitchell (Trust: +43 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 759 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. NEW Ticked (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 222 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. NEW wwzsocki (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1288 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =10 / -0) (DT1 (-8) 886 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. NEW jeremypwr (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1669 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. NEW EFS (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 331 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. NEW tyz (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (475 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. NEW Ov3R (Trust: neutral) (268 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. NEW stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2903 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. NEW hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1153 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. NEW EcuaMobi (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 464 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. NEW arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 888 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. NEW Rent_a_Ray (Trust: awaiting update) (20 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. NEW buckrogers (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
38. NEW c_lab (Trust: awaiting update) (42 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. NEW Buchi-88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (681 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
40. NEW Lesbian Cow (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 730 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
41. NEW willi9974 (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 686 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
42. NEW SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (792 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
43. NEW JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5145 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. NEW achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3600 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. NEW DaveF (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2952 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
46. NEW teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 941 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
47. NEW 5tift (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (82 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
48. NEW quasimodo (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
49. NEW Lyricz (Trust: awaiting update) (33 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
50. NEW irfan_pak10 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
51. NEW BitcoinPenny (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 924 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
52. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1886 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
53. NEW e-coinomist (Trust: neutral) (85 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
54. NEW bitbollo (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1233 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
55. NEW Royse777 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1683 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
56. NEW zazarb (Trust: +38 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
57. NEW LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 5457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. NEW Poly#Crypto (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
59. NEW Limx Dev (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (344 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
60. NEW o_solo_miner (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
61. NEW sandy-is-fine (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
62. NEW Real-Duke (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (440 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
63. NEW klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 767 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
64. NEW s0nix (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
65. NEW LoyceV (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (56) 9712 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
66. NEW actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
67. NEW The Pharmacist (Trust: +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 4122 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
68. NEW LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2341 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
69. NEW SFR10 (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1553 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
70. NEW TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 1114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
71. NEW Greshamsches Geld (Trust: awaiting update) (14 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
72. NEW phishead (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 317 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
73. NEW TryNinja (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3551 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
74. NEW ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 598 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
75. NEW condoras (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 583 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
76. NEW Lafu (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 1675 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
77. NEW Coin_trader (Trust: +7 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (2) 287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
78. NEW polymerbit (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 542 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
79. NEW HCP (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3688 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
80. NEW crwth (Trust: +7 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (1) 862 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

And so on

Someone convince me that the two are not alts and are not trying to manipulate the trust system?

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June 26, 2022, 06:19:06 PM
 #12

Lol! Cheesy

Now Unknown01 accuses me and 1miau with a neutral trust to be alts without any valid evidence except that we're using the same language (and probably both of us are breathing air).
Yes, Unknown01 is so clueless.
He knows close to nothing about DT standards and showed his lack of knowledge multiple times.
Same goes for his befriended shitposters.

I think distrusting them is an easy solution (and maybe a neutral trust for shitposting, trolling and harassment).



Even his claim that 90% of my merits came from 1miau is a lie as shown on bpip:
As a German Merit souce, I even gave a some Merits to Unknown01 because I had the impression, he would improve but unfortunately, I was wrong.



There's an easy solution:


~Unknown01 [DT2]
~MinoRaiola [DT2]
~s0nix
~thandie
Agreed.

Unknown01 is DT2 and just like his friends misused the trust-system by giving his friends POSITIVE trust without any indication.
Exactly, such users like Unknown01 shouldn't be anywhere near DT.



If there would be a ban, Unknown01 would be first. Unknown01 is providing no value to the forum and now he's starting to attack new accounts.
The user seems known to me, I mean I saw him many times in posts like I see a lot of you. I did not see his recent activities (may consider a look) but the name sounds familiar to me and I get the feel that he is not a shit poster. Anyway, I will look at his post history shortly before making any bad assumption.
I think you mean Upgrade00? Upgrade00 is a quality poster.

But Unknown01 is mostly active in the German section and in spam megathreads, facilitatig post like these:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=560
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=540

He was even accused of low posting quality: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360806.msg57024047#msg57024047


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June 26, 2022, 06:26:31 PM
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Then 2 weeks later, week 171, thandie does this
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Someone convince me that the two are not alts and are not trying to manipulate the trust system?
Great catch!

Looks like they have been playing these games for some weeks now, add Poly#Crypto and the list is getting bigger:

https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/383517.html
https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-16_Sat_05.07h/383517.html

I don't have proof that they are Alts but at least it's looking like trust manipulation.

s0nix only used trust to send a positive trust to Unknown01 recently.
He has no clue about DT, doesn't use it how it should be used but trust is obviously good enough to send a fraudulent positive trust to his shitposter friend Unknown01:



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June 26, 2022, 06:28:30 PM
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Believe it or not, freedom of speech (like on this forum) also means that some will say that Putin is great (even if every sane person knows that he's just another war criminal) and their posts are allowed. You have to either grow a thicker skin, either press the ignore link. As simple as that.
The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section


No. Definitely not.

The only problem is @1miau himself with his authoritarian tendency.
This member has no interest in free speech, only his own opinion. This user attacks all members who do not share his opinion because he is absolutely incompetent to lead a factual debate.
Anyone who disagrees with him is called an asshole, dirty pig, troll, shitposter.
1miau's comments are full of hate and contempt for people who think differently. Instead of arguing he rants, he lies, he denounces other members by spreading fake statements.

His latest campaign: spreading Putin propaganda
He spreads lies! Everything he writes here are lies!


My position has always been clear:

fact:
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Ich habe hier nun wirklich oft genug geschrieben, daß dieser Krieg ein Unrecht ist, daß die russische Aggression in der Ukraine durch nichts gerechtfertigt ist, daß es nichts zu relativieren gibt, daß es für die Ukrainer eine absolute Katastrophe ist, daß dieser Krieg so schnell als möglich gestopp - wie auch immer - werden sollte, daß es massive Reaktionen darauf und Unterstützung für die Bürger der Ukraine geben muß. Ich habe bereits aktiv geholfen. ¹
fact:
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Ich habe mittlerweile fast 15 große Kartons an Hilfsgütern für die Ukraine zusammengestellt und in Richtung polnischer Grenze bringen lassen.
Aber meinen Freunden in Wladiwostok und in St. Petersburg würde ich ebenso helfen, wenn sie durch die Sanktionen in Not geraten sollten. Und zwar unabhängig iher pol. Meinung. Denn das sind normale Menschen und meine Freunde. Noch geht es ihnen allerdings gut.

fact:
Ich hätte wohl kaum etliche Kartons mit Verbandsmaterial, Hygieneartikeln und anderen Hilfsgütern für die Ukraine zusammengestellt, wenn ich ausblenden würde, daß dort Leute in größter Not sind, daß sie vor dem Beschuß durch die russische Armee fliehen. Dieser Vorwurf ist mehr als frech, auch anderen Leute gegenüber. Denn man kann davon ausgehen, daß sich viele Leute, auch Bitcointalk-User, an Hilfen in welcher Form auch immer oder mit Spenden oder sonstwie beteiligen. Das ist für die Leute in der Ukraine relevanter als Beteuerungen in Online-Foren.

But he calls me Putin propagandist, he says I glorify the aggression.
1miau continues to spread his shameless lies to damage people's reputation.


This is defamation. And that is a criminal offense.



And by the way:
If I were pro-Putin, I would say it louder.
Because I am not a wimp who hides behind anonymity like 1miau.
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I think you mean Upgrade00? Upgrade00 is a quality poster.

But Unknown01 is mostly active in the German section and in spam megathreads, facilitatig post like these:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=560
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=540

He was even accused of low posting quality: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360806.msg57024047#msg57024047
Earlier I checked his post history, recent merit history but I was not able to figure out how did I feel that I was seeing him a lot of time. All his posts to be fair except few in gambling boards, are in a local board where I never or very few times visited.

You are correct. I was tricked by mind. It's definitely Upgrade00 I was thinking. Ignore him, you will not see his shitpost and feel better.


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Last edit: June 28, 2022, 12:55:41 PM by 1miau
 #16

Believe it or not, freedom of speech (like on this forum) also means that some will say that Putin is great (even if every sane person knows that he's just another war criminal) and their posts are allowed. You have to either grow a thicker skin, either press the ignore link. As simple as that.
The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section


No. Definitely not.
Definitely you are the problem!

Your shenanigans have been tiring the German local board for some time now.
You can express whatever "Opinion" (posting "justifications" about Putin's war) but don't expect that your "Opinion" goes unchallenged.  Cheesy
90% of your posts are dedicated to that topic, 9% are defamations, 1% are the war is ugly BUT...
We know how your propaganda is intended!
Don't expect that there's no one calling out your Off-Topic troll spam. You are contributing nothing to the forum!
The criticisms from Kamix, from Nestade, from Dissi_xD, from Basti773, from bullrun2020bro and from myself and far more are totally deserved for what you are giving out as "opinions".

In addition, you are the ones manipulating trust because you have no clue about DT standards.
DT is a community based reputation system, developed in the first half of the last decade!
You don't know the difference between positive and negative trust!

Your lack of DT knowledge is embarassing. Did you ever read LoyceV's guide?



And that is a criminal offense.
Your Spamposts are "a criminal offense"  Cheesy Cheesy

Read more here: Dangerous and inappropriate use of Trust: giving positive Trust for Shitposters

People like you are destroying the forum from within because of
- supporting shitposters
- supporting spam
- inappropriate use of positive Trust
- contributing nothing (you are accusing me? Look at my posts!)
- attacking newbies

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Lol, this thread is a farce.

But now every user knows what 1miau and his troll account Nestade thinks of free speech, of liberal values, of fundamental rights - namely nothing!

No wonder they are ignored by many users on the German Board.
Nobody wants haters, nobody wants Stasi or Nazi methods - the GDR went down 33 years ago, the Third Reich even longer.
And we don't need snitches and denunciators.

Everyone who stands for fundamental rights should ignore these enemies of freedom.

Next solution:
~1miau
~Nestade
~Kamix


In addition, you are the ones manipulating trust because you have no clue about DT standards.
DT has is a community based reputation system, developed in the first half of the last decade!
You don't know the difference between positive and negative trust!

Your lack of DT knowledge is embarassing. Did you ever read LoyceV's guide?

Ridiculous.

Don't you think your actions are pitiful?
You want to make a name for yourself here by pissing off other users.
Disgusting.

Meanwhile you are the biggest troll on the German board, the members laugh at you, nobody likes you.
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The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section: they are thinking they can abuse Bitcointalk for their agenda and post their nonsense without receiving harsh opposition for their inhuman hot takes. They are derailing our local board. That's what's wrong and we have talked to them whats wrong about it.

Although I don't follow the German board (Ich spreche keine Deutsch), I agree that the forum is full of this kind of people accounts.
I don't really have a solution for them and I don't know what can be done. If we do something we hurt the freedom of speech, if we don't.. the forum gets full of this kind of trolls.

They aren't listening and instead now, they are threatening Newbies with bans (which is funny because troll accounts don't have any power to ban anyone, their lack of forum rules, DT and other stuff is apalling)
Yes, it's not only limited to propaganda spam but also to giving out positive trust to other troll accounts, which is deeply concerning in my opinion because it's not how positive trust should be used. Such feedbacks should be neutral, see here.

Spam should de reported and removed at sight.
I've seen the threatening of newbies. Afaik it's not in the forum rules, it may be punishable offense. But we need mods' input in this. Cyrus is mod in Reputation, maybe he can help?
Trolling is punishable offense. But trolling may be a bit vague. Still, it's best we can do.

The only problem is @1miau himself

I've seen useful posts in the forum made by 1miau. Somehow I managed to miss all of your great contribution. So I don't share your opinion.

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The only problem is @1miau himself

So I don't share your opinion.

Yes, of course, I don't see any problems in the Bulgarian Borad either (I do not speak bulgarian).
Because I do not follow the board. What a funny reasoning.

You should follow this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.0

There 1miau only spreads lies, attacks the members. That's what he does, nothing else.
I'm not talking about other threads, but in the OffTopic section @1miau is the biggest troublemaker.
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The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section: they are thinking they can abuse Bitcointalk for their agenda and post their nonsense without receiving harsh opposition for their inhuman hot takes. They are derailing our local board. That's what's wrong and we have talked to them whats wrong about it.

Although I don't follow the German board (Ich spreche keine Deutsch), I agree that the forum is full of this kind of people accounts.
I don't really have a solution for them and I don't know what can be done. If we do something we hurt the freedom of speech, if we don't.. the forum gets full of this kind of trolls.
I think one of the problem are paid accounts (Sigspam), so good Campaign Managers are an important point here.
But it's not limited to paid posts, see BADdecker (but he's in a league of his own).
Some people have too much free time.  Cheesy

Of course, an active community is also essential where contributors are rewarded (for example Merit) and low-quality posts are discouraged, sometimes even long posts are contributiong nothing.

The moderation can discourage such spam by enforcing the forum rules.
For example, we have already rules in place like trolling spam and similar but it's not easy to decide here.
I've reported some shitposts in the international section and all of them were remowed. That's how reporters and moderators can make Bitcointalk a better place with lesse spam.

But after all, the most essential thing is, that people participating on Bitcointalk have at least some sort of self-awareness:
Are my posts beneficial for Bitcointalk or am I abusing Bitcointalk as a dump for my propaganda?

We should try to be people from the first category.  Smiley



They aren't listening and instead now, they are threatening Newbies with bans (which is funny because troll accounts don't have any power to ban anyone, their lack of forum rules, DT and other stuff is apalling)
Yes, it's not only limited to propaganda spam but also to giving out positive trust to other troll accounts, which is deeply concerning in my opinion because it's not how positive trust should be used. Such feedbacks should be neutral, see here.

Spam should de reported and removed at sight.
I've seen the threatening of newbies. Afaik it's not in the forum rules, it may be punishable offense. But we need mods' input in this. Cyrus is mod in Reputation, maybe he can help?
Trolling is punishable offense. But trolling may be a bit vague. Still, it's best we can do.
I'm in favor of adding "harassing newbies without reason" to the rules.
Newbies are very important for having new, potential contributors on Bitcointalk.
Maybe that's a discussion for Meta.  Smiley

Regarding trolling: some might consider it "trolling", others not.
Some excessive trolls have caught a negative trust, some only neutral.
Some posts are getting deleted, some not.

It's a difficult question and most likely we won't get a final answer.  Undecided
I'm still hoping for more self-awareness how such low-quality posters are destroying the forum, even damaging Bitcoin's reputation. Most of the are just here to earn, some are just here to troll.
People brought that up in our local section, shitposters didn't care.
We keep trying.  Smiley



Meanwhile you are the biggest troll on the German board, the members laugh at you, nobody likes you.
Yeah, I like trolls like Poly#Crypto and thandie digging their own holes.
Stop posting Putin propaganda, stop harassing newbies, stop misusing positive trust and start contrubuting Bitcoin-related content.
Since you are not posting Bitcoin-related content, maybe Bitcointalk is not your forum.  

And tell Unknown01 that he's very lucky to earn valuable BTC every week for his spam.  Cheesy



The only problem is @1miau himself

So I don't share your opinion.

Yes, of course, I don't see any problems in the Bulgarian Borad either (I do not speak bulgarian).
Because I do not follow the board. What a funny reasoning.
Maybe it would be a good idea for you to stop mocking established accounts, the real contributors here.

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