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June 30, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
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It's only on foreign debt, and yes, it's only a technical default. So I think some might overestimate this event because it's a default without truly not having money. That being said, it's not a completely useless event because an event and a declaration like this sounds serious, and it is historical (first time since 1918 for Russia), so it can scare away investors who weren't scared by the war already. Apart from the panic, uncertainty and big reputational damage to Russia (they were doing their best to avoid a default announcement), this doesn't mean much.

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June 30, 2022, 12:28:19 PM
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Vultures and bottom feeders? You Chinese friends (LOL)? My honest answer is I could not care less, but I am sure it is going to be for pennies on the dollar. Investors in the west know what it means to buy RF debt, as they know what it means to buy Chinese Companies "shares" or invest in West Africa - risk is there, if you do not like it, do not take it.

It is curious how expensive wars tend to be... and when you have to pay for them with real money... ouch!
The thing is, the "bet" for buying those bonds would basically be "they are not paying it to USA or to the west, but if we buy it then they could pay to use" type of stuff. Which means they will get sold to someone, and that someone could collect it easier.

Will that work? I doubt so, but if Russia really wants to put salt to the wound, they could end up waiting for the debt to be bought by someone else and then pay it and make it known to the whole world that they will not pay their debt to anyone who put sanctions on them, and will pay all of their debts fully if it is their friends. Will that happen? I have no idea, but that is the thinking behind most people who would consider buying these bonds.

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June 30, 2022, 12:33:57 PM
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Vultures and bottom feeders? You Chinese friends (LOL)? My honest answer is I could not care less, but I am sure it is going to be for pennies on the dollar. Investors in the west know what it means to buy RF debt, as they know what it means to buy Chinese Companies "shares" or invest in West Africa - risk is there, if you do not like it, do not take it.

It is curious how expensive wars tend to be... and when you have to pay for them with real money... ouch!
The thing is, the "bet" for buying those bonds would basically be "they are not paying it to USA or to the west, but if we buy it then they could pay to use" type of stuff. Which means they will get sold to someone, and that someone could collect it easier.

Will that work? I doubt so, but if Russia really wants to put salt to the wound, they could end up waiting for the debt to be bought by someone else and then pay it and make it known to the whole world that they will not pay their debt to anyone who put sanctions on them, and will pay all of their debts fully if it is their friends. Will that happen? I have no idea, but that is the thinking behind most people who would consider buying these bonds.

Missing the point I am afraid, the largest institutional investors of the world are forbidden to invest in anything that is not classes "investment grade". Sure, the RF be able to sell their debt to someone, somewhere... at much higher rate and to much more demanding buyers that it could ever find in the open markets.

Overall, it is not a huge problem for the RF, but it is still a problem in a moment where they may have big needs.

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 Yes, the freezing of external assets in foreign currencies really hurt the Russian economy, so she was not able to pay this debt now.  Instead, she will pay this sum in rubles, now this is the only possibility. The United States wanted Russia to be unable to pay its debt and she got it. I think this cannot be called a default, it is rather the repayment of debt with the national currency.
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June 30, 2022, 05:59:27 PM
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Yes, the freezing of external assets in foreign currencies really hurt the Russian economy, so she was not able to pay this debt now.  Instead, she will pay this sum in rubles, now this is the only possibility. The United States wanted Russia to be unable to pay its debt and she got it. I think this cannot be called a default, it is rather the repayment of debt with the national currency.

Nope. Freezing of a part of the reserves doesn't take away the capability of Russian government to repay these loans. As I mentioned earlier, they have already made the payment to the Euroclear bank. The payment is stuck at the bank and not from the side of the Russians. Imagine this - you took a loan from your friend. After one month, you made a partial repayment to him through the bank. You made the payment, but it got stuck at the bank due to a technical issue. Will your friend blame you for this trouble? I don't think so.

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June 30, 2022, 06:32:49 PM
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Well they should understand that they did it for the first time since 1998 which also means that they would be not only tacking sanctions but worldwide issues with it as well,. It would be a good time for them to stop 🛑 the war altogether and apologize, replay the Ukranians and step back because they are already almost in the EU now and being the candidate they would have a massive support from everywhere and this means that the Russians would not be able to get a lot of positive news from any side as well, their military supply is blocked as well and they have to understand that even if they keep the value of rubles stable they won't be having much floor under their feet since it's all relative.

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I have no idea but if it was anything similiar to the Civilisation games, then a country would need to pay heavily for war. But I have nothing realistic to compare it to. I doubt Russia can keep up their superficial ruble price up for very long as their reserves will, at some point run out and nobody big but China and India are willing to do business with them. And even then, Russia is being financially and politically exploited as much as possible while India and China are following sanction guidelines.

Lets see how things look after a year or two of war. I doubt it will end anytime soon.
I guess those games are not "far" from reality, the reason why you are capable of attacking everyone and win is the fact that it's a game and nobody overthrows you, and if you tried that in real life you would be getting overthrown very quickly for killing innocent people unless you are Putin of course.

The money side of things has always been the biggest problem in all games where you have an army attacking a place, civilization, crusader kings, total wars, anything you play will have a money aspect and you either do not have a big army, or you need to attack places to earn money to pay for your big army. Russia is paying a ton to this war, and technical debt is still debt, and USD is required for sure.

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The $100m interest payment was due on 27 May. Russia says the money was sent to Euroclear, a bank which would then distribute the payment to investors.

But that payment has been stuck there, according to Bloomberg News, and creditors have not received it.


It appears to be a technicality rather than an indication of russia going bankrupt.

(Could this leave russia with no other options aside from making payments in bitcoin.)

I don't think Putin will take this lying down. He will search for alternatives. But we shall see.

Maybe he has no alternatives?

It is foolish to say that Russia has run out of money. They are. But they are difficult to use, such a funny story Smiley
And this was done not to destroy the economy, but indicative! To show that nothing depends on Russia in this world! That they can't even use their money to pay their debts Smiley
This is a "demo version", it will be more fun and interesting!

And as to whether there are alternatives to the pathetic likeness of the Fuhrer - the answer is NO! Of course, he can beg for money from China, but in return, he will give China, its historical territories beyond the Urals. True, he will tell his slaves that he brought the USA to its knees, and now they are still more afraid of the second army in the world "Smiley
But in fact - you understand very well - Russia has received a "black mark" in the financial sector, and not a single adequate country will no longer lend to the backward economy of Russia and personally to the terrorist and murderer of Putin! Although there is an option that some country, not very adhering to the norms of international law, lends money to the Kremlin ghoul, provided that he sells 1 million hectares of Russian territories for 1 dollar, as Putin has already done with huge areas in the far east of Russia Smiley

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July 04, 2022, 11:59:52 PM
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The $100m interest payment was due on 27 May. Russia says the money was sent to Euroclear, a bank which would then distribute the payment to investors.

But that payment has been stuck there, according to Bloomberg News, and creditors have not received it.


It appears to be a technicality rather than an indication of russia going bankrupt.

(Could this leave russia with no other options aside from making payments in bitcoin.)

I don't think Putin will take this lying down. He will search for alternatives. But we shall see.

Maybe he has no alternatives?

It is foolish to say that Russia has run out of money. They are. But they are difficult to use, such a funny story Smiley
And this was done not to destroy the economy, but indicative! To show that nothing depends on Russia in this world! That they can't even use their money to pay their debts Smiley
This is a "demo version", it will be more fun and interesting!

And as to whether there are alternatives to the pathetic likeness of the Fuhrer - the answer is NO! Of course, he can beg for money from China, but in return, he will give China, its historical territories beyond the Urals. True, he will tell his slaves that he brought the USA to its knees, and now they are still more afraid of the second army in the world "Smiley
But in fact - you understand very well - Russia has received a "black mark" in the financial sector, and not a single adequate country will no longer lend to the backward economy of Russia and personally to the terrorist and murderer of Putin! Although there is an option that some country, not very adhering to the norms of international law, lends money to the Kremlin ghoul, provided that he sells 1 million hectares of Russian territories for 1 dollar, as Putin has already done with huge areas in the far east of Russia Smiley
LOL - your are right. Russia is strong and Russia is powerful.
the point you have mentioned that it is foolish to think the Russians are of money - is very valid. Russia is going on fast track toward their goal and there is no stopping.

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July 08, 2022, 09:34:53 PM
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The $100m interest payment was due on 27 May. Russia says the money was sent to Euroclear, a bank which would then distribute the payment to investors.

But that payment has been stuck there, according to Bloomberg News, and creditors have not received it.


It appears to be a technicality rather than an indication of russia going bankrupt.

(Could this leave russia with no other options aside from making payments in bitcoin.)

I don't think Putin will take this lying down. He will search for alternatives. But we shall see.

Maybe he has no alternatives?

It is foolish to say that Russia has run out of money. They are. But they are difficult to use, such a funny story Smiley
And this was done not to destroy the economy, but indicative! To show that nothing depends on Russia in this world! That they can't even use their money to pay their debts Smiley
This is a "demo version", it will be more fun and interesting!

And as to whether there are alternatives to the pathetic likeness of the Fuhrer - the answer is NO! Of course, he can beg for money from China, but in return, he will give China, its historical territories beyond the Urals. True, he will tell his slaves that he brought the USA to its knees, and now they are still more afraid of the second army in the world "Smiley
But in fact - you understand very well - Russia has received a "black mark" in the financial sector, and not a single adequate country will no longer lend to the backward economy of Russia and personally to the terrorist and murderer of Putin! Although there is an option that some country, not very adhering to the norms of international law, lends money to the Kremlin ghoul, provided that he sells 1 million hectares of Russian territories for 1 dollar, as Putin has already done with huge areas in the far east of Russia Smiley
LOL - your are right. Russia is strong and Russia is powerful.
the point you have mentioned that it is foolish to think the Russians are of money - is very valid. Russia is going on fast track toward their goal and there is no stopping.

And here is a selection of fast running ... to the bottom of civilization Smiley All these are the results of the first week of July :

- The Russians plundered the museums of Mariupol. Original paintings by Aivazovsky and Kuindzhi stolen
- Lavrov left the meeting of the G20 Foreign Ministers in disgrace, after the total boycott of the representative of the country of the world terrorist, by the participants of the meeting
- A large energy project worth 37 billion was stopped due to sanctions - General Electric refused to supply a new turbine for the Zainskaya GRES in Tatarstan, and Putler "raised Russia from its knees" in such a way that without General Electric turbines, Zainskaya GRES will not be upgraded, but closed.
- "Tasty - and the point" (stolen McDonald's) removed french fries from the menu due to crop failure. Potatoes are expected to return to the menu in the fall. But it is not exactly
- The largest lead plant in Russia, Fregat, has been shut down. Four more lead enterprises are on the verge of stopping - Ryaztsvetmet, Ecorusmetall, Agropribor and UMMC.
- In Russia, presented 5 models of the new car "Moskvich". It sounds very patriotic, if not for a single "but" - they, as expected, turned out to be models of the Chinese manufacturer JAC, who condescendingly allowed the Russians to assemble them under their Moskvich nameplate. Nameplates "Moskvich" Russia will also ask China to produce, since they themselves do not have the technology for this Smiley
- Oil prices began to plummet amid a statement by Deputy Head of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in his Telegram channel about the growth in oil prices "above the predicted astronomical price of 300-400 dollars." I love Russian clowns-morons Smiley
- As a result of limiting the price of Russian oil, the possibility of which was agreed last week by the leaders of the G7, this product can become cheaper for buyers by about half the current price. Now $40 per barrel will be not only for India and China Smiley And for India and China it will be $20 each. As always, "Russia outplayed everyone" by shooting itself in both legs and ass Smiley
- On Monday, July 5, Russian oil was trading at $80 per barrel. This is the spot price ("here and now"). So China and India are buying oil below $40 per barrel (waiting for clarification)
- Iran and Russia are increasingly reducing oil prices in the struggle for the Chinese market. Moscow began actively supplying oil to China after the invasion of Ukraine, as sanctions significantly reduced the ability of the Russian Federation to export raw materials to Europe. Therefore, Iranian producers have to reduce the price of their oil, as China remains the only major market for rogue states such as the Russian Federation and Iran.
As a result, Urals has halved in price in two months amid a decline in dollar prices and a fake/artificial strengthening of the ruble.

Cool, right? You can see the path of the world leader  Grin

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