[Investigation] Fighting The Account Mafia

[Lafu]

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Hey, just saw a Pm from you.

Thats interesting , as i got also a personal message from that User yesterday where he asking about to remove my support of the Flag i supported .
After i have readed the Topic in Meta about that Account i removed it and now i am reading this one here and thanks for the head ups logfiles.
Will support the Flag again and also will remove it when its confirmed that the Account is back to the owner.
And i will give the Account 10 Days for now on and if he dosnt proof it to us it i will tag the Account , also i dont want to destroy the Account.

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[_BlackStar]

Thats interesting , as i got also a personal message from that User yesterday where he asking about to remove my support of the Flag i supported .
After i have readed the Topic in Meta about that Account i removed it and now i am reading this one here and thanks for the head ups logfiles.
Will support the Flag again and also will remove it when its confirmed that the Account is back to the owner.
And i will give the Account 10 Days for now on and if he dosnt proof it to us it i will tag the Account , also i dont want to destroy the Account.

I'm in support of the flag for now as @jkoil doesn't respond to anything to prove its account ownership. He didn't even bother to post proof that his e-mail had been recovered so he could reset his account password.

I'll be back to review and remove flag support if that user manages to prove a few things. Also, I'm not going to break his account, so I hope he can prove that for us here.

[logfiles]

added user glandall to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44649 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190670#post_glendall )
added user nandnor to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1609612.msg16194427#msg16194427 )

Almost missed out this two but before I flag them using the same reference, are glandall and nandnor also part of the accounts that were up for sale by the same account seller?

so I hope he can prove that for us here.

I do really hope he comes around to clear it up.

[hZti]

added user glandall to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44649 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190670#post_glendall )
added user nandnor to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1609612.msg16194427#msg16194427 )

Almost missed out this two but before I flag them using the same reference, are glandall and nandnor also part of the accounts that were up for sale by the same account seller?

Those are accounts that were previously up for sale and were exposed by other people. I added them to have a more complete list where people can easily look up what accounts were sold. You can see the proof link that I gave for more detail about how and why the account was exposed for changing hands.


About jkoil I also hope that the original owner can get access to his account and proof that in some way. I don't want to neg trust an account but if he simply stop to reply after he is asked for at least some little proof than I don't think there is another option. People that deal with the account can klick the ref link and see for them self if they want to trust or not.


Updated the list with the accounts that were mentioned in the thread that LoyceV mentioned.

1)
The accounts provided by 'SeW900'  (or better: @TrustedAccSeller on telegram) were:

• cicizhang  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=935809)
• TanClan98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045919)
• zackie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99997) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Zedster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78317) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Ntrain2k https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• nonnakip https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=69046
• narousberg https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61971 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• pant-79 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203430

According to him, some of them (the first and/or the second one) are already banned.
However, the remaining ones - which he wanted to sell - are not banned yet.


2)
The accounts provided by Rueduciel were:

• J Gambler (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=821674)
• fitty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25298) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]

[_BlackStar]

added user glandall to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44649 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190670#post_glendall )
added user nandnor to list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6 proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1609612.msg16194427#msg16194427 )

Add them to the list too, but tell me about one thing; Would this thread be a thread to list all account sold ^{[recently and in the past]} instead of a specific about some accounts being sold based on your investigation?

About jkoil I also hope that the original owner can get access to his account and proof that in some way.

I've asked him to do so, but haven't responded to anything. If maybe he ignored it more than 7 days since that post, I think we can tag it again until there is evidence to neutralize the situation.

[_BlackStar]

My suspicions about one other account being sold, heacked or change hands.

This user has been inactive for a long time, and his last post was on January 3, 2018 and after that he left the forum without any activity. Then on June 7th he came back and changed his password and started signing up for the campaign on the same date. The odd thing I found clearly was that he started posting more actively on the gambling board than before he left the forum. The posting patterns are different ^{[check post history]} and these are the two things that might make me think this account has changed hands.

Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854735

Here are some of the bitcoin addresses he used before being inactive for a long time. But after he came back and changed his password then I think he should prove account ownership by signing message from some address below.

Code:

1AFUuAac8JMd41CNfefdaz3LyzeRCEMaQv
1DBB3wGgtLPvnEyQz2q6DCZoZ5WwZBL6HS
13npppA85sNRfZfEEpxo8wCcMUW6EMkE8z
15b2uEHHckCPYaU6hG2kwsbn6GFShwVkmn
1EM23SqhvrVTign3PJeMZ33RA3JsQtEarV
1CzWiVmGohHSArAn5C1MqCyEXp9P7wnLrg
1JG1Hc9wy7FwDjXsy1tXW5wCJvuDop74Sc
19a7UVCra8iTPs3X8jPxw6PoTyG9nNC2xs

*Is it possible to send a neutral tag until he can clear up the situation?

[Lafu]

*Is it possible to send a neutral tag until he can clear up the situation?

You can always send a neutral feedback as it dosnt really effects the Account , as it says its " neutral " .
If you  are not to 100% sure that the Account has changed hands its the best way with a neutral tag , and you will see how the User will be act after it.
You can change the feedback laters or delete it when the things clear in this case.

[len01]

My suspicions about one other account being sold, heacked or change hands.

This user has been inactive for a long time, and his last post was on January 3, 2018 and after that he left the forum without any activity. Then on June 7th he came back and changed his password and started signing up for the campaign on the same date. The odd thing I found clearly was that he started posting more actively on the gambling board than before he left the forum. The posting patterns are different ^{[check post history]} and these are the two things that might make me think this account has changed hands.

Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854735

Here are some of the bitcoin addresses he used before being inactive for a long time. But after he came back and changed his password then I think he should prove account ownership by signing message from some address below.

Code:

1AFUuAac8JMd41CNfefdaz3LyzeRCEMaQv
1DBB3wGgtLPvnEyQz2q6DCZoZ5WwZBL6HS
13npppA85sNRfZfEEpxo8wCcMUW6EMkE8z
15b2uEHHckCPYaU6hG2kwsbn6GFShwVkmn
1EM23SqhvrVTign3PJeMZ33RA3JsQtEarV
1CzWiVmGohHSArAn5C1MqCyEXp9P7wnLrg
1JG1Hc9wy7FwDjXsy1tXW5wCJvuDop74Sc
19a7UVCra8iTPs3X8jPxw6PoTyG9nNC2xs

*Is it possible to send a neutral tag until he can clear up the situation?

for this problem i will answer slowly.
the reason i changed the password for this account was because all the data such as the emails i saved on my laptop were lost. my laptop was broken a few months ago, i can't use it anymore

and for the btc wallet problem i only store the address on the flash disk and some login ids. but my btc blockchain login password is missing along with other data. because i save the id and password separately.


but i still have data on the wallet erc20 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D which i used to join the bounty last year.


is there any other solution besides using btc wallet signature? or i can use the erc20 wallet and send something to prove this is indeed my account. i just lost some of my data that was on the laptop

[Panglima Perang]

but i still have data on the wallet erc20 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D which i used to join the bounty last year.

Sent several altcoin asset to people claimed about your account have change hands,

*Is it possible to send a neutral tag until he can clear up the situation?

How if your investigating wrong and @len01 can show he is the real owner, will you ask forgiveness and promised not made any report again?

[len01]

The odd thing I found clearly was that he started posting more actively on the gambling board than before he left the forum

previously have you checked my posts in 2016?

i started joining gambling boards because i already like gambling before leaving the forums in 2018
and i just changed the password only. i don't deceive anyone on this forum and i don't make spam shit post. so no need to accuse me with your suspicions

[_BlackStar]

for this problem i will answer slowly.
the reason i changed the password for this account was because all the data such as the emails i saved on my laptop were lost. my laptop was broken a few months ago, i can't use it anymore

and for the btc wallet problem i only store the address on the flash disk and some login ids. but my btc blockchain login password is missing along with other data. because i save the id and password separately.

First, I'm glad you came here to explain my concern about your account being hacked, sold, or changing hands. Then, you can convince me in any way as long as the reasons and evidence you have are reasonable and valid as proof that you are still the original owner.

About your reasons saying that your laptop broke in the last few months so you have to change your account password and loss of access to the wallet until you can't sign messages, seems to be common reasons that are often used by new users from accounts being sold, hacked or changed hands. That's a weak enough reason to convince people to believe that you're still the primary owner of the account. Then your posting pattern seems to have completely changed even though you could tell that you are also a poster who likes to post on gambling boards.

but i still have data on the wallet erc20 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D which i used to join the bounty last year.

is there any other solution besides using btc wallet signature? or i can use the erc20 wallet and send something to prove this is indeed my account. i just lost some of my data that was on the laptop

You say your laptop is broken and all the data stored on the flashdisk has been lost, then how can you still save the actual ERC20 address you used in the same year as this bitcoin address 19a7UVCra8iTPs3X8jPxw6PoTyG9nNC2x and it's only a few months apart? Now, I don't think your logic is correct because if all your data is lost then you should also no longer have access to that ERC20 address. What if you work with an account seller and you ask him to send some shitcoins from that address as proof that the account is yours?

i don't deceive anyone on this forum and i don't make spam shit post. so no need to accuse me with your suspicions

Before you change the password of this account, I can absolutely prove that you are a poster who usually posts one line. But after changing your password your posting pattern has changed so it is natural for me to suspect that you are no longer the primary owner of the account regardless of whether it was hacked, sold, or changed hands.

So if you want to prove that you are the main owner of this account especially after you have been inactive for a long time and changed the account password then prove it by sign message or something reasonable.

[Radja Rimba]

So if you want to prove that you are the main owner of this account especially after you have been inactive for a long time and changed the account password then prove it by sign message or something reasonable.

I don't think changing passwords and posting patterns for the better is a reason to say someone has changed hands. In my opinion, any user can change their password and email for security reasons, but indeed people will be suspicious when the user has just been active for a long time.

In this case I understand why you suspect len01, but I think you should consider the reasons why he should change his account password. Digital devices such as laptop and flashdisk are quite susceptible to damage, so there might be a good reason. len01 can also prove he has an account if he can sign message from an ethereum address, but for something like sending coins/tokens from that address then I think he should create another wallet and post his tx here. So don't force other people to do it from a btc address after they tell you about losing access to the wallet, while len01 can also prove it with an ethereum address. Try to lighten other people's problems and I think it will be good to consider wisely. But wait, I have nothing to do with len01, but here I am just expressing my opinion.

[hZti]

I like that other user join me in the fight against account selling. There are many cases where users change their posting behavior after coming back to the forum after some time. The problem is often that it can have several reasons and also most of the times can not be proven why the posting behavior changed and therefor it is in my eyes not possible to tag the account. For example if your plan is to join a signature campaign that requires posting in the gaming section, than it is possible that you start to post there to have a better chance to be accepted in the signature campaign.
Yes you can give a neutral tag, but the point of this thread was to find sold account with 100% proof by talking to account sellers or other ways that can give you 100% proof. If we can not have a 100 % it will lead to tagging people wrongly and possible destroying there reputation on the forum for no reason.

[len01]

First, I'm glad you came here to explain my concern about your account being hacked, sold, or changing hands. Then, you can convince me in any way as long as the reasons and evidence you have are reasonable and valid as proof that you are still the original owner.

i'm also glad to be here to answer all your suspicions of me. and i will be happy to explain if indeed this is my real account.

About your reasons saying that your laptop broke in the last few months so you have to change your account password and loss of access to the wallet until you can't sign messages, seems to be common reasons that are often used by new users from accounts being sold, hacked or changed hands. That's a weak enough reason to convince people to believe that you're still the primary owner of the account.

it's true that my laptop broke down a few months ago. i store all data separately. such as login id, bitcoin wallet address, market login id etc. i save it on my flash disk. and like wallet login passwords, market login passwords, etc., i save them on the laptop desktop. the reason i save it separately is because for me it's very safe when storing id and password separately so that no one can find out.
but there are some data stored on my flash disk such as erc20 which i used to join the bounty. and i can still use the erc20 wallet because the wallet address and private key are not stored separately.

Then your posting pattern seems to have completely changed even though you could tell that you are also a poster who likes to post on gambling boards.

1. the reason the posting pattern has changed is because in the past i only participated in several bounty campaigns, signature campaigns and game rounds in this forum. and the rules for signature campaigns used to be different from now. in the past, only a few characters of writing did not have to be 150 characters and it was not allowed to post too many gambling boards.
2. the reason my current post pattern has changed to more than 150 characters is because after i left this forum for a long time, i decided to come back and join the signature campaign payment BTC to look for capital to play gambling again.
and you also certainly understand how if you join the signature campaign payments BTC  must be posted on several gambling boards with good quality. unlike signature campaigns payment token.
so if my post changes not because of the reason my account is sold, hacked or changed hands. but because the situation in the past was different from what it is now.

You say your laptop is broken and all the data stored on the flashdisk has been lost, then how can you still save the actual ERC20 address you used in the same year as this bitcoin address 19a7UVCra8iTPs3X8jPxw6PoTyG9nNC2x and it's only a few months apart? Now, I don't think your logic is correct because if all your data is lost then you should also no longer have access to that ERC20 address.

as i said above. i keep it separately. and there is some data that is still stored on my flash disk that i can still access. maybe because of my stupidity i can't manage to save some of my personal data properly.

What if you work with an account seller and you ask him to send some shitcoins from that address as proof that the account is yours?

if i work with an account seller and ask to send shitcoins from that address just to prove that this account is mine, why don't i just ask to sign message the bitcoin address above?
if i can ask the seller to send shitcoins to a specific address, i'd better ask the seller to sign message bitcoin address so that this problem is resolved quickly and my reputation is not destroyed.

Before you change the password of this account, I can absolutely prove that you are a poster who usually posts one line. But after changing your password your posting pattern has changed so it is natural for me to suspect that you are no longer the primary owner of the account regardless of whether it was hacked, sold, or changed hands.

but what if your suspicions are wrong??
as i said above. i used to only join the bounty campaign and signature campaign. and now i am join a signature campaign payment BTC with a rule of more than 150 characters. and one more thing you should remember. not all posts in my past are just one line.

So if you want to prove that you are the main owner of this account especially after you have been inactive for a long time and changed the account password then prove it by sign message or something reasonable

i already said that i lost some access to my bitcoin wallet. i can only access the erc20 wallet. because in the past i only focused on the bounty campaign and signature campaign.
do i prove it in a way send some eth using that erc20 address not something reasonable?

[Radja Rimba]

do i prove it in a way send some eth using that erc20 address not something reasonable?

Dude don't worry, just do it. Create your new wallet (ethereum address) and send something from old wallet to new wallet and show proof of tx hash here. I think it will prove that you are still the same owner and I thought it would be a reasonable proof for everyone.

Don't worry, no one can tag you if you are completely innocent. So after you managed to prove it then your problem I think is solved.

[hZti]

I think it will prove that you are still the same owner and I thought it would be a reasonable proof for everyone.

Don't worry, no one can tag you if you are completely innocent. So after you managed to prove it then your problem I think is solved.

I think the same, I don't want to tag an innocent account and _BlackStar also doesn't want to ruin the reputation of an account that was not actually sold. The only reason this tread is here and the suspicions are there, is because there is a lot of shady things in this forum that the mods don't care about or don't have the time and energy to sort out. So if you can sign a message or send an specific amount for example 0.01337 ETH I think everyone will be happy.

[_BlackStar]

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First of all, you should understand that I'm not trying to damage your account reputation for no apparent reason ^{[I didn't even tag you until now].} You just woke up from a long period of inactivity and you changed your password immediately, so it's natural to assume you've changed hands regardless of whether it was hacked or sold. There are a lot of shady things being done on this forum including one of them is account selling.

i already said that i lost some access to my bitcoin wallet. i can only access the erc20 wallet. because in the past i only focused on the bounty campaign and signature campaign.
do i prove it in a way send some eth using that erc20 address not something reasonable?

As Radja Rimba suggests, you can prove it by using the ERC20 wallet to dispel this suspicion. I will try to understand your reasoning, it can happen to anyone. Don't be angry, just do it casually if you really are the owner of this account.

[Lafu]

@len01
I received your pm you sended to me and i appreciate it that you trust me and for now your Account isnt tagged or something !
Also the picture you sended to me hopefully you are just have sended it to me and to nobody else.
As on this picture there you can see all the private keys , and seeds for the Wallets , all kind of other login details, Please dont do this again, you can send me a pm but without any personal details.
Because its your personal datails and loggins for your stuff and nobody should be know this things.
I am deleting the pm with the picture and as i am a good guy i dont have written down or safed the keys or any stuff from there.

i already said that i lost some access to my bitcoin wallet. i can only access the erc20 wallet.

As mentioned already just make a signed message from your ERC20 wallet and all should be good.

[len01]

i apologize if there is an fault when writing the signature.
because from the first i didn't really understand how to make a sign a message

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

Date: 2022-07-14
Bitcointalk.org login: len01 (854735)
my erc20 wallet address : 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D

PGP fingerprints:
RSA: 0xEFF74F309B06340AF6A0B9CABE1249BD6029DBF9


0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D send to 0x220C3210d462B58dFd1cEc1242B1e8e69F675287

Tx hash : 0x379ed110a571da5b8f22065c3598199ede41f23d76cbbd1ba935d6318eda55ab


I declare that the wallet address erc20 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D is my authenticity.
and wallet address erc20 0x220C3210d462B58dFd1cEc1242B1e8e69F675287 is only for proof of transaction.


if anyone claims or plagiarizes my wallet address 0xcdD493d4f50c1997649A2c77d296d3C6506ac40D it's not me
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[lovesmayfamilis]

Since this thread is already talking about sold or hacked accounts, I want to add one more and listen to the true story or not.

coinerer

The account has been inactive five years.

In this time it seems that I am new on btt forum coz I was active on this forum till 2017 after that I akip using this forum .

I seen you was supper  active in 2016 and in 2017 you made only few post. I first guessed it was either a hacked account or a sold out account. but as bpip.org report i seen this account password not reset or change was not change anydays he he. Welcome mate for come back to forum again and choice gambling section .

In the past, he was a miner, he created the wallet himself.

This is my small step into supporting development of QuarkCoin. It is not too much maybe.

I made new Quark Wallet and simple page at
                                                    
                                                      http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com/  

with latest libraries used.  Direct link to the newest Quark Windows wallet at

Now his posts are just about nothing. In addition, the owner cannot remember how old he really is.

Based on his posts, at the time when he registered, he was 16 years old. OK.
We see from the initial posts that this is a miner, he created the wallet himself.
Conclusions: talent.

Five years later, he returned, which means he is 21. But no, he is 27, and maybe much more. He writes about age in the same topic.
In addition to all this, his posts are very different from those posts that he wrote earlier.

I am only 27 years old .and I am using cryptocurrency & I am using this forum from 2013 . When I was 16 years old . But I was folish then I see Bitcoin price $60-70 but I didn't hold Bitcoin then. If I was bought and  keep holding 10-12 btc . Now I could make a huge profit and get rich

I rarely meet investors at an already respectful age - more than 45. I think that people at this age either no longer think about such investments, or I just don’t know such investments.

Yes i been more then 45 years people using btc and investing on btc a much more. Because in this time they are in charge of a family so they are more inclined to seek income .so they take different approaches . And they lean towards Bitcoin

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60422506.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60429095.html

Please check his history.
I will invite him to this topic.