POKER

[virasog]

Yes, it is so. It is enough for my skill to level up using free courses. I just wanted to say that it is possible, that we can find smth interesting in paid courses.

If you find anything interesting in paid poker courses do let us know. Every information is available on internet free of cost and there is nothing special in paid courses. However, people always feel that there must be something special in the paid ones and this is the selling point for the paid courses.
By the way, Poker is so easy to understand, do we even need a course for that 

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[mak013]

Yes, it is so. It is enough for my skill to level up using free courses. I just wanted to say that it is possible, that we can find smth interesting in paid courses.

If you find anything interesting in paid poker courses do let us know. Every information is available on internet free of cost and there is nothing special in paid courses. However, people always feel that there must be something special in the paid ones and this is the selling point for the paid courses.
By the way, Poker is so easy to understand, do we even need a course for that 

If you`ll read my words more attentively, you can see that i don`t plan to buy these courses. I just suggest that it is possible to find smth, that you can`t find for free. For example i can suppose that top players wouldn`t tell you how they think and how they decide what to do in every moment of the tournament.
Yes, the poker is easy to understand, so i think that you ready to win the top players? It is easy to win in easy game?

[Betwrong]

~ Only don't make another job out of it. Just have fun playing.

$5-$10 buy-ins are about my level too, and although you can still see those all-inners in such tournaments too, you can simply ignore them, because there's only a few of them, one at a table or even less. You can't be ignoring them if there's half of the players like that.

Surely so, i tried to make poker my way of income several years ago. I spent 10-12 hours every day playing 4 tournaments one time. It was awful for me. So no more job in poker

Yes, it is easy to ignore several, always there are someone who ready to catch them.

This is interesting. Playing at so many tables at once has never worked for me. I mean, not never. At first I thought it was the best way to play poker, but it didn't take long before I realized that it wasn't worth it.

What about you? You said it was awful because it was hard, but how about profitability? Was it negative, or just too small?

[mak013]

~ Only don't make another job out of it. Just have fun playing.

$5-$10 buy-ins are about my level too, and although you can still see those all-inners in such tournaments too, you can simply ignore them, because there's only a few of them, one at a table or even less. You can't be ignoring them if there's half of the players like that.

Surely so, i tried to make poker my way of income several years ago. I spent 10-12 hours every day playing 4 tournaments one time. It was awful for me. So no more job in poker

Yes, it is easy to ignore several, always there are someone who ready to catch them.

This is interesting. Playing at so many tables at once has never worked for me. I mean, not never. At first I thought it was the best way to play poker, but it didn't take long before I realized that it wasn't worth it.

What about you? You said it was awful because it was hard, but how about profitability? Was it negative, or just too small?

The main idea was that i was waiting for nice cards. When i got strong cards, i fold all other tables. Profit grew up fast, but for 3-4 first hours, after that i began to make mistakes. And everything was nice - no one diverted me, no calls, big monitor - ideal conditions. I think that it was interesting experiment, and it is possible to get some profit this way, but you have to modify your game tactics.

[Betwrong]

~ Only don't make another job out of it. Just have fun playing.

$5-$10 buy-ins are about my level too, and although you can still see those all-inners in such tournaments too, you can simply ignore them, because there's only a few of them, one at a table or even less. You can't be ignoring them if there's half of the players like that.

Surely so, i tried to make poker my way of income several years ago. I spent 10-12 hours every day playing 4 tournaments one time. It was awful for me. So no more job in poker

Yes, it is easy to ignore several, always there are someone who ready to catch them.

This is interesting. Playing at so many tables at once has never worked for me. I mean, not never. At first I thought it was the best way to play poker, but it didn't take long before I realized that it wasn't worth it.

What about you? You said it was awful because it was hard, but how about profitability? Was it negative, or just too small?

The main idea was that i was waiting for nice cards. When i got strong cards, i fold all other tables.

Yeah, but it's never free, following this strategy, I mean. You have to buy four tickets first, before you can play at four tables, right?

Profit grew up fast, but for 3-4 first hours, after that i began to make mistakes. And everything was nice - no one diverted me, no calls, big monitor - ideal conditions. I think that it was interesting experiment, and it is possible to get some profit this way, but you have to modify your game tactics.

This is like a major rule, innit? You don't change your game tactics playing with the same people, you lose.

I'm playing poker right now, while writing this post, and I want to confirm what I said earlier: it takes not that much time, like 15-20 minutes, before you know an absolutely new(to you) player pretty well, and if he won't change his style, he will lose all his chips to you.

[mak013]

The main idea was that i was waiting for nice cards. When i got strong cards, i fold all other tables.

Yeah, but it's never free, following this strategy, I mean. You have to buy four tickets first, before you can play at four tables, right?

Profit grew up fast, but for 3-4 first hours, after that i began to make mistakes. And everything was nice - no one diverted me, no calls, big monitor - ideal conditions. I think that it was interesting experiment, and it is possible to get some profit this way, but you have to modify your game tactics.

This is like a major rule, innit? You don't change your game tactics playing with the same people, you lose.

I'm playing poker right now, while writing this post, and I want to confirm what I said earlier: it takes not that much time, like 15-20 minutes, before you know an absolutely new(to you) player pretty well, and if he won't change his style, he will lose all his chips to you.

Yes, i buy 4 tickets. But i try to choose tournaments where it is enough to play until the final table, after that you prize is more than ticket.
And while you fold cards your opponents think that you never bluff. Near the end of the tournament you can change strategy and the opponents still think that you never bluff. If you play in one tournament it much easier to understand your tactics.

[Betwrong]

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Yes, i buy 4 tickets. But i try to choose tournaments where it is enough to play until the final table, after that you prize is more than ticket.

If you don't rebuy/re-enter along the way, it is, but a couple of rebuys makes it not enough to be in the paid places to get your money back.

And while you fold cards your opponents think that you never bluff. Near the end of the tournament you can change strategy and the opponents still think that you never bluff.  

Interesting. I'm using exactly the same tactic, and it works most of the time. It doesn't work only when your opponent has a really good hand. Then, of course, he calls your bluff and you lose.

If you play in one tournament it much easier to understand your tactics.

I'm not sure about this. In my opinion, if you keep changing your tactics all the time, it's impossible to understand it.

[mak013]

If you don't rebuy/re-enter along the way, it is, but a couple of rebuys makes it not enough to be in the paid places to get your money back.

Yes, i try to play without rebuy. May be i mistakes, but i think that if i have to rebuy - i`m to bad for this tournament.

Interesting. I'm using exactly the same tactic, and it works most of the time. It doesn't work only when your opponent has a really good hand. Then, of course, he calls your bluff and you lose.

With good hand we can do nothing the most of the time. We only have a chance with bluff i think. But with bluff we have the same chance to lose all we have. Bluff can become a deadly mistake.

I'm not sure about this. In my opinion, if you keep changing your tactics all the time, it's impossible to understand it.

It is enough difficult to change tactics all the time for me. I begin mistake. And when you playing several tournaments the same time it becomes only more difficult.

[Betwrong]

If you don't rebuy/re-enter along the way, it is, but a couple of rebuys makes it not enough to be in the paid places to get your money back.

Yes, i try to play without rebuy. May be i mistakes, but i think that if i have to rebuy - i`m to bad for this tournament.

I think, overall it's a good way of thinking: the less you spend on your entertainment with gambling, the better. I myself do rebuys, but not more than once.

Interesting. I'm using exactly the same tactic, and it works most of the time. It doesn't work only when your opponent has a really good hand. Then, of course, he calls your bluff and you lose.

With good hand we can do nothing the most of the time. We only have a chance with bluff i think. But with bluff we have the same chance to lose all we have. Bluff can become a deadly mistake.

From my experience, if you bluff but your opponent has a pair of Aces, he calls. Let alone he has something better.

I'm not sure about this. In my opinion, if you keep changing your tactics all the time, it's impossible to understand it.

It is enough difficult to change tactics all the time for me. I begin mistake. And when you playing several tournaments the same time it becomes only more difficult.

Exactly. That's why I have stopped playing at several tournaments at the same time. It's not relaxing, it's rather stressing.

[mak013]

Yes, i try to play without rebuy. May be i mistakes, but i think that if i have to rebuy - i`m to bad for this tournament.

I think, overall it's a good way of thinking: the less you spend on your entertainment with gambling, the better. I myself do rebuys, but not more than once.

In my practice, rebuy just helped me to play to the final table. May be i have not enough experience but i never got enough prize to get a profit with rebuy.

Interesting. I'm using exactly the same tactic, and it works most of the time. It doesn't work only when your opponent has a really good hand. Then, of course, he calls your bluff and you lose.

With good hand we can do nothing the most of the time. We only have a chance with bluff i think. But with bluff we have the same chance to lose all we have. Bluff can become a deadly mistake.

From my experience, if you bluff but your opponent has a pair of Aces, he calls. Let alone he has something better.

Mostly - yes, he calls, but if we use the bluff we have a chance he folds. In the other way we can wait river and see how he bets. Of course, we have a chance even in such situation, but it is very rare situation.

I'm not sure about this. In my opinion, if you keep changing your tactics all the time, it's impossible to understand it.

It is enough difficult to change tactics all the time for me. I begin mistake. And when you playing several tournaments the same time it becomes only more difficult.

Exactly. That's why I have stopped playing at several tournaments at the same time. It's not relaxing, it's rather stressing.

As i said - i stopped such play I`d prefer to play for fun.

[Betwrong]

Yes, i try to play without rebuy. May be i mistakes, but i think that if i have to rebuy - i`m to bad for this tournament.

I think, overall it's a good way of thinking: the less you spend on your entertainment with gambling, the better. I myself do rebuys, but not more than once.

In my practice, rebuy just helped me to play to the final table. May be i have not enough experience but i never got enough prize to get a profit with rebuy.

No, no, I'm sure you have enough of experience. It happens to everyone: if you do couple of rebuys and you take the last paid place - your profit is negative. Again, I think it's a good practice to do rebuys as rarely as possible.

Interesting. I'm using exactly the same tactic, and it works most of the time. It doesn't work only when your opponent has a really good hand. Then, of course, he calls your bluff and you lose.

With good hand we can do nothing the most of the time. We only have a chance with bluff i think. But with bluff we have the same chance to lose all we have. Bluff can become a deadly mistake.

From my experience, if you bluff but your opponent has a pair of Aces, he calls. Let alone he has something better.

Mostly - yes, he calls, but if we use the bluff we have a chance he folds. In the other way we can wait river and see how he bets. Of course, we have a chance even in such situation, but it is very rare situation.

There's always a chance that he folds even with something like a straight thinking you have a better straight, or a flush. But normally you don't fold such cards because the probability of your opponent having a better hand is small.

[roksana.hee]

Mostly welcome to take the "Poker" course here. I hope you can learn more from that course. I think you grow your own skill by taking this course, also you share here a lot of bitcointalk tips.

[mak013]

In my practice, rebuy just helped me to play to the final table. May be i have not enough experience but i never got enough prize to get a profit with rebuy.

No, no, I'm sure you have enough of experience. It happens to everyone: if you do couple of rebuys and you take the last paid place - your profit is negative. Again, I think it's a good practice to do rebuys as rarely as possible.

Yep. May be there are some strategies for using rebuys, and, i think, that there are some opportunities to use it cleverly, but when you have several tournaments the same time - there are no time to analyze situation with rebuys. May be if i lost 3 tournaments that moments and have only one with the last table... But it change all my strategy and it never improves the quality of play. At least in my situation.

Mostly - yes, he calls, but if we use the bluff we have a chance he folds. In the other way we can wait river and see how he bets. Of course, we have a chance even in such situation, but it is very rare situation.

There's always a chance that he folds even with something like a straight thinking you have a better straight, or a flush. But normally you don't fold such cards because the probability of your opponent having a better hand is small.

Just a chance. Or it is possible to get combo on river. The most way the opponent bets and we lose more money.

[Betwrong]

In my practice, rebuy just helped me to play to the final table. May be i have not enough experience but i never got enough prize to get a profit with rebuy.

No, no, I'm sure you have enough of experience. It happens to everyone: if you do couple of rebuys and you take the last paid place - your profit is negative. Again, I think it's a good practice to do rebuys as rarely as possible.

Yep. May be there are some strategies for using rebuys, and, i think, that there are some opportunities to use it cleverly, but when you have several tournaments the same time - there are no time to analyze situation with rebuys. May be if i lost 3 tournaments that moments and have only one with the last table... But it change all my strategy and it never improves the quality of play. At least in my situation.

Right. Playing at many tables you don't even remember where and how many rebuys you've made already. It's really frustrating when you finish in the paid places, and then you see that because of all those rebuys your profit is actually negative. I think the optimum is one renbuy max, and one table only.

[Poker Player]

Surely so, i tried to make poker my way of income several years ago. I spent 10-12 hours every day playing 4 tournaments one time. It was awful for me. So no more job in poker

Did it not occur to you to choose a poker modality with more variance? Oh, at that time maybe spins would not have come out, otherwise you would have been happy to play them.

 

The main idea was that i was waiting for nice cards. When i got strong cards, i fold all other tables. Profit grew up fast, but for 3-4 first hours, after that i began to make mistakes. And everything was nice - no one diverted me, no calls, big monitor - ideal conditions. I think that it was interesting experiment, and it is possible to get some profit this way, but you have to modify your game tactics.

Maybe choosing a modality with less variance, with fewer tables, and playing fewer hours would have been better for you. In poker it is very important to control the tilt and what you say has all the ingredients to end up tilted.

[mak013]

In my practice, rebuy just helped me to play to the final table. May be i have not enough experience but i never got enough prize to get a profit with rebuy.

No, no, I'm sure you have enough of experience. It happens to everyone: if you do couple of rebuys and you take the last paid place - your profit is negative. Again, I think it's a good practice to do rebuys as rarely as possible.

Yep. May be there are some strategies for using rebuys, and, i think, that there are some opportunities to use it cleverly, but when you have several tournaments the same time - there are no time to analyze situation with rebuys. May be if i lost 3 tournaments that moments and have only one with the last table... But it change all my strategy and it never improves the quality of play. At least in my situation.

Right. Playing at many tables you don't even remember where and how many rebuys you've made already. It's really frustrating when you finish in the paid places, and then you see that because of all those rebuys your profit is actually negative. I think the optimum is one renbuy max, and one table only.

Anyway to test it i need more practice, but i don`t have time for such tests. Logically this is right decision for me, but may be someone makes some notes due tournaments, or use some special software. In such situation they will laugh at me.

Surely so, i tried to make poker my way of income several years ago. I spent 10-12 hours every day playing 4 tournaments one time. It was awful for me. So no more job in poker

Did it not occur to you to choose a poker modality with more variance? Oh, at that time maybe spins would not have come out, otherwise you would have been happy to play them.

 

The main idea was that i was waiting for nice cards. When i got strong cards, i fold all other tables. Profit grew up fast, but for 3-4 first hours, after that i began to make mistakes. And everything was nice - no one diverted me, no calls, big monitor - ideal conditions. I think that it was interesting experiment, and it is possible to get some profit this way, but you have to modify your game tactics.

Maybe choosing a modality with less variance, with fewer tables, and playing fewer hours would have been better for you. In poker it is very important to control the tilt and what you say has all the ingredients to end up tilted.

I tried different ways, different strategies. The most comfartable and efficient was playing in 4 tournaments. I played using book strategy, so it was easy enough - i easily decided to raise, to call or to fold. With such decisions i was in the game not very often. May be it would be better to decrease hours. Now it doesn`t matter, i tried to get easy money and failed.

[Poker Player]

I tried different ways, different strategies. The most comfartable and efficient was playing in 4 tournaments. I played using book strategy, so it was easy enough - i easily decided to raise, to call or to fold. With such decisions i was in the game not very often. May be it would be better to decrease hours. Now it doesn`t matter, i tried to get easy money and failed.

You tried to do what I and many did back in the day. There was a time when it was relatively easy to make quite a bit of money simply by selecting tables, selecting hands and betting on value, but it all started to go to shit with the Poker Black Friday of 2011, and from then on it all started to go downhill., There was still money to be made from poker, and I make income regularly, but it's nowhere near as easy as it once was.

One of the things that influenced a lot was the proliferation of poker schools and courses, which is the subject of this thread. As the level of the average player goes up, it's harder to win.

In your specific case, I don't know if you had some negative variance as well.

[mak013]

I tried different ways, different strategies. The most comfartable and efficient was playing in 4 tournaments. I played using book strategy, so it was easy enough - i easily decided to raise, to call or to fold. With such decisions i was in the game not very often. May be it would be better to decrease hours. Now it doesn`t matter, i tried to get easy money and failed.

You tried to do what I and many did back in the day. There was a time when it was relatively easy to make quite a bit of money simply by selecting tables, selecting hands and betting on value, but it all started to go to shit with the Poker Black Friday of 2011, and from then on it all started to go downhill., There was still money to be made from poker, and I make income regularly, but it's nowhere near as easy as it once was.

One of the things that influenced a lot was the proliferation of poker schools and courses, which is the subject of this thread. As the level of the average player goes up, it's harder to win.

In your specific case, I don't know if you had some negative variance as well.

Ough, this explains a lot. I began my tries in 2010 and repeated it in 2011, 2012, 2013. And it is true that it was difficult enough to get information - the books i read i was given by my friend with the promise don`t show it anybody.
But that time it was possible to get profit in such a way. Now i don`t know how it works, but i think that you`re right - lots of courses, lots of videos, more qualified players.