What happens if someone mistakenly tags you a negative trust and dies?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

He will eventually drop from the DT list and his rating will become meaningless. For a while you’ll still flash red but it will eventually disappear. You shouldn’t worry about it that much. However, the fishy part here is verifying the death of this individual. Some forum users go dormant for a few years and come back later. You can’t assume that they are dead.

Thank you for this comment, after reading the op, i was interested to know the solution to what the op enquired about, i felt relieved after reading this comment, its indeed good to know that the trust system is a well thought out system that gives little to no room for forum users to abuse.

1. Is Negative Trust irreversible?

According to what i know which i guess alot of users have already stated, Yes, any trust, be it Negative, Positve or Neutral can only be reversed by the user who gave it, though like some persons here have said, Admin and moderators to have the ability to reverse whatever kind of trust you were tagged with, but they choose not to interfere so as to allow complete decentralization of the trust system.
 

2. At what rank can someone send a negative trust? (Newbie, member, Full, Sr, Hero or Legend)

Aside newbies which I am not sure if they are permitted to make use of the trust system, i think every ranks are eligible to use the ranking system.

3. How many negative trust can one send in a week, month, year or lifetime?

Answer is unlimited, there is no set number of Negative, Positive or Neutral trust one is permitted to give in a month, you can leave as many as possible if you wish.

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[_BlackStar]

1. Is Negative Trust irreversible?

One of my simplistic understandings of trust systems is that they can vary depending on who is giving. I might consider removing the red tag on anyone's profile I've decorated if proven otherwise, but the tag will remain in certain cases. Even though the system trust is actually not moderated, I assume it can still be changed by the admin if there is a serious error that causes chaos. In essence, if you want to tag a user, then you should also consider deleting, revising the tag if proven otherwise. I've done it once, red tag changes to neutral and maybe vice versa if next time he's proven wrong again.

2. At what rank can someone send a negative trust? (Newbie, member, Full, Sr, Hero or Legend)

All rank, it just depends on what wrongs or what positive thing they did, not on the rank.

3. How many negative trust can one send in a week, month, year or lifetime)

The assumption is that it's unlimited, I can send more than 10 tags or maybe 100 in a day especially if I want to do it to a scammer or cheaters.

[edgycorner]

Maybe we can have a flag-like system to dispute a negative feedback and counter such situations? Only users on the DT list can vote on it with three voting option- Agree, Disagree, Neutral
Whichever option gains the most votes after a period of time, the feedback will be accordingly updated.
No change in the case of Agree
Feedback will be removed in the case of Disagree
Feedback will change to neutral in case neutral gets the majority.

It will make the trust system democratic and reduce the autocratic element. A step forward from the current "three estates"-like system.

Probably someone has already proposed this solution, given how active the meta section is.

[DVlog]

1. Is Negative Trust irreversible?

Negative trust from a non-DT member is meaning less. Normal users could give you a red trust but that won't be visible if they don't go to your profile to check it.

He will eventually drop from the DT list and his rating will become meaningless. For a while you’ll still flash red but it will eventually disappear. You shouldn’t worry about it that much. However, the fishy part here is verifying the death of this individual. Some forum users go dormant for a few years and come back later. You can’t assume that they are dead.

Sometimes when I explore the forum I notice that the user's trust rating is not visible. I know usually we can see that the user has any trust score and which one is below his BTT username. Is that a setting that can be applied to hide user trust score or is that a forum bug?

[Rikafip]

Negative trust from a non-DT member is meaning less. Normal users could give you a red trust but that won't be visible if they don't go to your profile to check it.

I wouldn't say its meaningless as that user can eventually become DT member.

Sometimes when I explore the forum I notice that the user's trust rating is not visible. I know usually we can see that the user has any trust score and which one is below his BTT username. Is that a setting that can be applied to hide user trust score or is that a forum bug?

In some parts of forum (for example Meta or Bitcoin Discussion) trust rating is not visible for anyone, if that's what you meant when you said that trust rating is not visible.

[Lida93]

He will eventually drop from the DT list and his rating will become meaningless. For a while you’ll still flash red but it will eventually disappear. You shouldn’t worry about it that much. However, the fishy part here is verifying the death of this individual. Some forum users go dormant for a few years and come back later. You can’t assume that they are dead.

This may not be relevant to the thread in question, but please what does DT means. For going through all the comments in this thread I just discovered the use of such term and am lost.
If possible you can drop a link to explicitly expose me to other terms too.
Thanks!

[uchegod-21]

The trust works like something that is absolutely and uninterferable but it should have some short comings. I have had the question that if a DT gives negative tag purposely to an innocent member, what will be the punishment of the DT member?
Would he be tagged or removed from the DT. I have read where thyemos retrieved merits giving to someone, therefore he could also remove a negative tag. But I know he will not do that since it's related to trust.

As suggested by others there should be a thread called Feeback Appeal, so that of anyone feels that he is given wrong feedback, he could protest there with reference and other DT members will decide on the matter.

[Igebotz]

The trust works like something that is absolutely and uninterferable but it should have some short comings. I have had the question that if a DT gives negative tag purposely to an innocent member, what will be the punishment of the DT member?
Would he be tagged or removed from the DT. I have read where thyemos retrieved merits giving to someone, therefore he could also remove a negative tag. But I know he will not do that since it's related to trust.

As suggested by others there should be a thread called Feeback Appeal, so that of anyone feels that he is given wrong feedback, he could protest there with reference and other DT members will decide on the matter.

There have been several cases in the past where DT members have gone against some unworthy negative tag, but at the end of the day, DT is not moderated and it is about personal judgement stuff, we had Vod and Lauda who spread negative tag like a wildfire, both have been voted out of DT1 so their DT strength lies on those DT1 who still have them on their trust list.

I also suggested the DT appeal thread, but the rate of abuse will be much.

[JollyGood]

If a situation arises where the member leaving positive, negative or neutral trust dies then basically their account should be not be accessed unless others know the username and password. That trust/feedback stays on your account as there is no way to remove it unless it is removed after logging in to the same account (that left it) to delete or modify it.

The chances are unlikely it will happen in the event of death therefore the trust/feedback will stay.

While having a look at the forum Trust System this morning, this question just came into my mind that "What happens if someone mistakenly gives you a negative trust and dies?" Does the forum have plan B for that.

[NeuroticFish]

1. Is Negative Trust irreversible?

Although the topic is rather old, I think that there's a small nuance nobody has "touched" yet.
While trust rating is indeed irreversible if the user leaves the forum, while trust rating indeed can be changed only by the user (in theory), there's something more:

Bitcointalk is a forum based on a central database. This means that if the administrator (i.e. theymos) can be convinced, he could invalidate (remove?) directly in the database the trust feedback.
Of course, it would be an overly dangerous precedent, of course, this has never been done (afaik), but, at least in theory it's possible.
There were discussions that at least banned users' feedback would be nice if it's invalidated, but it has never happened.

But, like in every good or bad, I tend to never say never (still, you better learn to live with whatever feedback you've received, it's a safer approach).

[UmerIdrees]

While having a look at the forum Trust System this morning, this question just came into my mind that "What happens if someone mistakenly gives you a negative trust and dies?"

If he dies immediately after giving a wrong trust, then it would mean that he got the punishment of death for his mistake 
He will be answerable to god for the mistake he did in the world hereafter. 

There may be some serious answers to this discussion but I don't think this could happen. Maybe 0.001% chance of a person dying after giving a bad trust.   

[JollyGood]

If he dies immediately after giving a wrong trust, then it would mean that he got the punishment of death for his mistake 
He will be answerable to god for the mistake he did in the world hereafter. 

Ah well, imagine living a punishment filled eternity in the hereafter just for leaving a negative feedback 

There may be some serious answers to this discussion but I don't think this could happen. Maybe 0.001% chance of a person dying after giving a bad trust.   

Seriously though, there is no chance anything can happen to that trust/feedback because the only way to remove it would be for the someone to log in to that account and remove/edit it and since the person would be deceased it is highly unlikely to happen unless multiple people share those login detailed.

[UmerIdrees]

There may be some serious answers to this discussion but I don't think this could happen. Maybe 0.001% chance of a person dying after giving a bad trust.   

Seriously though, there is no chance anything can happen to that trust/feedback because the only way to remove it would be for the someone to log in to that account and remove/edit it and since the person would be deceased it is highly unlikely to happen unless multiple people share those login detailed.

Its been told and advised many times that we should arrange to tell our wallet private keys to someone very close to us, so in case we die, the money can be used by the family members and is not wasted lying in the wallets which no one can access.

This post made me think that in that case, we should share our password for bitcointalk, email, and maybe Facebook/Twitter/Instagram too to someone we can trust  Maybe to the same person, we think can take care of our private keys   

[JollyGood]

I am sure many people already have taken steps to avoid a disaster such as losing access to email accounts, social media accounts, maybe shopping websites and of course crypto wallets. That is somewhat different to someone accessing this website regarding the thread title but still is important.

It is difficult to trust that information with a lawyer who will release it in the form of a will after death therefore people probably make it up as they go along. Some could write down credentials and leave it in a safe place and others can basically give it to who they want on the basis they trust they will not access the websites and wallets until/unless death has occurred.

Would anybody inherit a login for the forum and then use it to edit tags as per a will? That really would be a first 

Its been told and advised many times that we should arrange to tell our wallet private keys to someone very close to us, so in case we die, the money can be used by the family members and is not wasted lying in the wallets which no one can access.

This post made me think that in that case, we should share our password for bitcointalk, email, and maybe Facebook/Twitter/Instagram too to someone we can trust   Maybe to the same person, we think can take care of our private keys  

[lovesmayfamilis]

This post made me think that in that case, we should share our password for bitcointalk, email, and maybe Facebook/Twitter/Instagram too to someone we can trust  Maybe to the same person, we think can take care of our private keys   

Do you really think this is a problem?

Let's assume that a person left a negative tag. I don't think it was a mistake. Nonetheless, And he himself died. Clap and it's gone.

And this man obliged his relatives, who did not understand the life of the forum, so that after his death, what would they do? It was explained to everyone what happened to the deceased? And that he still has a sin in the form of an incorrect tag? And they urgently need to sort things out?

Is it possible to continue the fantasy?

It seems to me that this is madness that is simply not worth discussing.

Died and died. All. Point. We drove. The one who stayed with the tag definitely should not die from this.

[KingsDen]

Re: What happens if someone mistakenly tags you a negative trust and dies?

I do not want to welcome the word mistake in tagging, and let us assume it was a mistake. Did the person die a day after leaving the negative tag?
If anyone gives you a neg tag you don't deserve, you should follow the person up immediately or wait for sometime for the heat to calm down, you follow the person up in pm. Explain things for the person the user will definitely remove the tag. In the occasion that the person refuses to remove the said tag, you can open a topic in the reputation for the forum to judge the matter.

Died and died. All. Point. We drove. The one who stayed with the tag definitely should not die from this.

Lately, I have been reading about die, died, dead and death. Could I please share my password with you in pm incase 

[JollyGood]

Do not hold back, you are direct and to the point as always lovesmayfamilis 

For the subject matter, I think all that could be said about has been said about it. If someone dies after leaving, whether he made a mistake or not the bigger sadness would be the member dying and not the one living with a negative tag.

The deceased would probably not leave instructions in his will asking loved ones to remove negative trusts therefore the OP probably has the answers.

This post made me think that in that case, we should share our password for bitcointalk, email, and maybe Facebook/Twitter/Instagram too to someone we can trust  Maybe to the same person, we think can take care of our private keys   

Do you really think this is a problem?

Let's assume that a person left a negative tag. I don't think it was a mistake. Nonetheless, And he himself died. Clap and it's gone.

And this man obliged his relatives, who did not understand the life of the forum, so that after his death, what would they do? It was explained to everyone what happened to the deceased? And that he still has a sin in the form of an incorrect tag? And they urgently need to sort things out?

Is it possible to continue the fantasy?

It seems to me that this is madness that is simply not worth discussing.

Died and died. All. Point. We drove. The one who stayed with the tag definitely should not die from this.

[Smartvirus]

Funny thing, when we hear about tags, our minds jumps to negative tags for a single reason, its the most common on the forum and so, we forget that tags could be neutral or positive as well.
When they say someone could get tagged by mistake, I doubt its even possible. I haven't seen it happen before and it's so not going to happen except, if some judgements that came out wrong would be called a mistake then, we could see it to be that as the threads suggest says.

Meanwhile, people get tagged for definitive reasons of which not excluding misquoting somome or quoting out of context. I've seen this happen before in the past but, it came as a neutral and I guess other issues could accord. I've thought of tagging someone once, even prepared the tag but held back for some obvious reason of occurances amongst others. Be it as it may, when your tagged, its not always the end of it but it coul be. Mistake tags can be corrected by appealing if the DT to have tagged you doesn't com to the knowledge of it in time but could be permanent in the event of an absent (never to return such as Lauda) or deceased forum user.

Just be a good forum user and avoid tags on the negative.

[KingsDen]

Funny thing, when we hear about tags, our minds jumps to negative tags for a single reason, its the most common on the forum and so, we forget that tags could be neutral or positive as well.

In an association I belonged, one day our chairman said that next meeting there would be review of dues. Some members of the association started panicking that why should there be a review.  I now reminded them that it could be an upward or downward review  .  When it comes to tag, the negative is always avoided.

Meanwhile, people get tagged for definitive reasons of which not excluding misquoting somome or quoting out of context. I've seen this happen before in the past but, it came as a neutral and I guess other issues could accord. .

The neutral tag can be used to solve many problems but for the fact that it doesn't prevent people from joining campaigns, it tends to be less effective.
Meanwhile, I once stumbled on someone's feedback and saw a neutral tag like "Reminder or Note for myself "...I laughed, like someone's feedback space is now used for note taking or reminder setting