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Distrusting someone simply because they distrust you is childish for sure as well as somewhat naive, but I don't see it as being that malicious. Some people are naturally distrusting of others, so doesn't take much (JG is a great example of this). Trusting someone predominantly because they trust you in return is the sort of trust farming that can easily become abuse of the system as doesn't show good judgement at all.

Trust system is all about trust farming lol.

It is probably not going to work now because I am writing this post but test it 1-2 months later.

Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.

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Distrusting someone simply because they distrust you is childish for sure as well as somewhat naive, but I don't see it as being that malicious. Some people are naturally distrusting of others, so doesn't take much (JG is a great example of this). Trusting someone predominantly because they trust you in return is the sort of trust farming that can easily become abuse of the system as doesn't show good judgement at all.

Trust system is all about trust farming lol.

It is probably not going to work now because I am writing this post but test it 1-2 months later.

Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.

No matter how flawed it may be, it does have some logic: You trust your own judgement, right? When someone distrusts you, it means they don't trust your judgment. Logically, you no longer trust his judgement either.

Of course, this doesn't take into account how the trust system is actually supposed to work, which, in my opinion, is too damn complicated to make sense for the average Joe.

[dragonvslinux]

Distrusting someone simply because they distrust you is childish for sure as well as somewhat naive, but I don't see it as being that malicious. Some people are naturally distrusting of others, so doesn't take much (JG is a great example of this). Trusting someone predominantly because they trust you in return is the sort of trust farming that can easily become abuse of the system as doesn't show good judgement at all.

Trust system is all about trust farming lol.

It is probably not going to work now because I am writing this post but test it 1-2 months later.

Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.

No matter how flawed it may be, it does have some logic: You trust your own judgement, right? When someone distrusts you, it means they don't trust your judgment. Logically, you no longer trust his judgement either.

This is why I emphasised that I don't see this as malicious, even if not always logical. For example someone distrusting your feedback doesn't necessarily mean that user's feedback is inaccurate, unless they left you some negative feedback that is, then it'd be right to distrust that feedback. There's a difference between trust feedback and someone's overall judgement, not that many distinguish between the two it seems.

This is why I find it more relevant when users reciprocate trust inclusions, because someone's judgement to trust you doesn't imply their overall trust feedback is accurate.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.

True may be but that was not the intention of the trust system. It was supposed to be to response a users feedback leaving judgement, not you distrust me and I respond with distrusting you or I add you and you response with adding me back. However it is tempting sometimes. The moment you are driven by jealousy or favoritism, you should not be in DT1 list.

[LoyceV]

Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.

If that's the case, you have the wrong people in your Trust list. Here's mine:

Trust list for: LoyceV (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (52) 10617 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-08-13_Sat_05.06h)
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LoyceV Trusts these users' judgement:
1. dooglus (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (322 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. gmaxwell (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (5413 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -1) (1929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. SaltySpitoon (Trust: +23 / =1 / -1) (1153 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. mprep (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 1495 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. philipma1957 (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (3561 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Cyrus (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 1304 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Stunna (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (271 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. guitarplinker (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NLNico (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (269 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Blazed (Trust: +52 / =1 / -0) (119 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (33) 1216 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (204 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. suchmoon (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (7085 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. RHavar (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (882 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. actmyname (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. The Pharmacist (Trust: +28 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (30) 4395 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. DarkStar_ (Trust: +62 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (33) 2044 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. marlboroza (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (1765 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. HCP (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (11417 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1488 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

I don't expect any of those users to retaliate if I'd exclude them. But I'm not going to "test" this, that would actually be bad behaviour for a DT1-member.

[Poker Player]

I don't expect any of those users to retaliate if I'd exclude them. But I'm not going to "test" this, that would actually be bad behaviour for a DT1-member.

I think mindrust is talking about ~ people in your trust list. When you say "exclude" are you talking about just removing those you trust now or ~ them?

I'd say if a couple of DT1 started changing a few of the ones on their trust lists to ~ we would have quite a bit of drama.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think mindrust is talking about ~ people in your trust list. When you say "exclude" are you talking about just removing those you trust now or ~ them?

I see LoyceV used his trust list as an example to point that those who are in his trust list will not change their setting no matter what LoyceV does, either trust or distrust. But we don't know what's in their mind. With all due respect, we will not know until we have a secret group to sign a digital terms and mess up with others 🤣. When we mess up big time then this digitally singed copy will save the ass LOL.

I'd say if a couple of DT1 started changing a few of the ones on their trust lists to ~ we would have quite a bit of drama.

Considering how it goes most of the times, we can expect a year long daily soap 😉

[AnotherAlt]

I see LoyceV used his trust list as an example to point that those who are in his trust list will not change their setting no matter what LoyceV does, either trust or distrust. But we don't know what's in their mind.

I agree that we don't know what's in their minds. LoyceV said,

I don't expect any of those users to retaliate if I'd exclude them

This is the trust he has in them, so he included them on his Trust list. He strongly believes and also posted in public that he has that much trust in them. Nowadays, We use the Trust system to our advantage (Not all of us). Some of us use it to take revenge. If you look at his trust list, He made only two changes in the last twelve months. This could be an example too. Maybe he is one of the wise guys in this forum who uses everything accordingly.

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If you look at his trust list, He made only two changes in the last twelve months. This could be an example too. Maybe he is one of the wise guys in this forum who uses everything accordingly.

I wouldn't really accept this as a good example. things change, people too, plus some new members are coming. I think that the trust list cannot be made once and for all.
some of the users have never been involved in any delicate discussions, so you can't even know how they would behave in certain situations. especially those with an empty trust/distrust list

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I wouldn't really accept this as a good example.

When I say lazy DT which I meant three times on the thread, LoyceV is in my mind 🤣^{[Yo V! take it easy]}

things change, people too, plus some new members are coming. I think that the trust list cannot be made once and for all.

True but I think a sensible user will not change his trust list every day like somewhere I read someone said waking up, brushing the teeth, check the last posts to see who have disagreed with their arguments while they were sleeping then distrust them. My observation is, LoyceV is one of these few people who understand the trust system very well although in a discussion it felt to me that some of his suggestions were in a gray area but later I decided to take the suggestions seeing there are no better alternative left.