This Made Me Angry

[Oasisman]

After a few years of not going to a bank, went with a friend of mine because he needed to transfer $10,000 to his dad's bank account.

We wasted like 40 minutes in that bank even though the queue wasn't even that long. It boggles me how severely inefficient banks are in 2022. Meanwhile sending money with BTC or stables are easy as hell.

Ha! That's what I have experienced a couple of weeks ago when I visited a local bank branch. I was trying to open an account since it is required with the niche that I'm in currently. I've been their for like 3 long hrs trying to get to their customer service. You can't really imagine how inconvenient visiting a bank with not so long queue but would typically take you minimum of 1 hr before you can walk out of the branch. While Btc gives you the best convenience in terms of sending and receiving money.

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[dothebeats]

And apart from the limited number of transactions, you'll also have a limited amount on top of that. Depends highly on the type of savings account you opened on the bank but it's still annoying all the same. Personally, what I do is I have two bank accounts. One for spending with customized limits that still follow the mandated regulations and one for your normal savings account. The fees are a pain in the ass over time but it's something that one should consider doing if their spending habits cross the monthly limits imposed by the central banks.

[Zlantann]

In my country we also have such restrictions. But these restrictions is targeted mostly at revenue generation by the government. An individual has to pay a certain fee for over-withdrawal. That means, if you want to withdraw above the statutory limit, you would have to pay for it. Also they government also claim that this policy would also curb corruption, fraud and money laundering because huge sums of money might now be difficult to move from one person to another. Generally, this policy affects individuals and businesses negatively. But having multiply bank accounts can be a good way of invading these restrictions.

[cheezcarls]

Ever since I began studying, learning and trading Bitcoin, I have never saved much money in my bank account. Despite that the bank I am in right now is “crypto friendly”, I still wouldn’t trust them when it comes for me to put all of my money there.

As of this time, I have put most of my money into Bitcoin in a hardware wallet for storage purposes and only a few BUSD in Binance for trading purposes. Our money needs to be protected at all costs and should be under our full custody and not being controlled by a 3rd party.

[yazher]

The point of this post is to make clear the difference between the banks and your crypto wallet. of course, it has lots of differences and the good thing about the crypto wallet, you are the only one who can access it and it is convenient to use as well. You can do as many transactions as you like in a day or week or month without any restriction or limit. In most banks, you don't have this kind of feature and sometimes they will gonna investigate if the transactions are so many they don't make any sense to them. That's why people nowadays see the importance of having a crypto wallet, specifically a hard wallet for the safety of their cryptocurrencies.

[pawanjain]

I always new that banks limit the number of withdraws per month on savings accounts, but I didnt know why. I just accepted it.

What is Regulation D? Regulation D is a federal law that keeps consumers from making more than six withdrawals or transfers per month from a savings account or money market account. The rule is in place to help banks maintain reserve requirements.

What? Case in point.

And I just made about 8 transactions spreading BTC among wallets and didnt get an email notification from satoshi that I was over my withdrawal limit and owe him $25. LMAO
By the way, the federal reserve just lifted this withdrawal restriction, I am assuming due to inflationary pressures. I dont think its a permanent lift.

Not all banks have the same restrictions, there are many which have lesser restrictions.
The bank I have my money in allows 5 free withdrawals and then charges around $0.2 for every withdrawal.
But ofcourse that's bad because why the hell should we pay money to withdraw our own money from the bank.
Bitcoin is the true definition of being your own boss and holding money in your own bank.

[stomachgrowls]

Couldn't he make the transfer online? Banks are digitizing by leaps and bounds, so it is rare what you say, unless it is in a third world country. I do all my transfers online, although depending on the amount per AML policies they may make you fill out a form or do some paperwork before making the transfer effective.

There are transfer limits in most banks in the country I'm currently in, and $10,000 is a good chunk of money when converted to the local currency. Not sure how easy/hard it is to raise the daily limits and to what extent it can be raised, but idk I don't use banks much as you'd have to call them(and sometimes even need to go to the bank physically) to fix most stuff.

This, we have limits in our country, and perhaps this was a red flag for banks to see that huge amount being converted to PHP.

I also totally stay away from banks, I mean even opening accounts in our country is hard as hell. Lots of questions on where the money is coming from and that was 2018, so not sure how banks have change throughout the years here.

They're becoming even more strict which i do also observe which is really just a normal thing considering on how many or what things been existing specially now having this crypto space then asking out

on where funds might be coming from would really be even more often which is also a case here on my place where banks are really putting up some alarms whether you are pulling or putting big amounts

on your bank account.We know that it is understandable about money laundering issue but they are really just too hassle in my opinion but is there something we can do?
thats why having crypto or bitcoin itself does give out soo much convenience into someone who do tend to use it.

[kryptqnick]

I didn't know about this regulation because it seems like a US thing, and I've never had a US bank account. To be honest, I'm finding a hard time trying to understand how it works because it seems that it doesn't apply to al cases and that it was suspended for the time of the pandemic (and remains suspended) but some banks enforce it anyway. And it's only for savings accounts, right? I agree it's all easier with Bitcoin and bank fees can be ridiculous, but Bitcoin also has transaction fees which might amount to solid sums from time to time (although not over the last year or so), but it seems this regulation only applies to certain types of withdrawals, on a particular type of account, isn't enforced on the federal level (it's enforced only by some individual banks), and the fee also varies greatly.

[coolcoinz]

No wonder they lift it because there was completely no connection between a number of withdrawals and maintaining supply. If somebody really wanted to move their money they wouldn't do it in 6 withdrawals or more. They'd do it in 1 or 2 and it would be all gone. If I have 100k and want to close the account withdrawing it all in one transaction is not a problem for me. If the bank wants to limit me it's just another red flag in my mind that can make me exit faster.

[ncentrepreneur.investor]

The banking system is really a rotten system. It is a funny system full of ironies and absurd policies.

I myself wouldn't want to make an over-the-counter withdrawal because of all the hassles involved. It also makes me angry that every time I do this, it seems I am the one who is begging for my own money. It seems I am always treated with suspicion. You'll be asked to sign many times, asked for a couple of valid IDs, asked to get the approval of the bank officer or manager, and so on. For heaven's sake, just give me my money!

Bitcoin doesn't have any of these.

Yep, that was what I was fussing about including how the banks rehypothicate and are over leveraged themselves, the put restrictions on your savings account so they can try to stay solvent. This Ponzi idea all backed by the government.

[DaveF]

I didn't know about this regulation because it seems like a US thing, and I've never had a US bank account. To be honest, I'm finding a hard time trying to understand how it works because it seems that it doesn't apply to al cases and that it was suspended for the time of the pandemic (and remains suspended) but some banks enforce it anyway. And it's only for savings accounts, right? I agree it's all easier with Bitcoin and bank fees can be ridiculous, but Bitcoin also has transaction fees which might amount to solid sums from time to time (although not over the last year or so), but it seems this regulation only applies to certain types of withdrawals, on a particular type of account, isn't enforced on the federal level (it's enforced only by some individual banks), and the fee also varies greatly.

From my understanding it's one of those things that was logical at the time, but times have changed but the rules stayed.
Go back in time before there was an online never-mind online banking.

You had checking accounts, and savings accounts. (yes there were other types but that covered most accounts in the US)
Savings accounts used to pay really good interest, we are talking double digits.
Checking accounts paid no interest or very very minimal.

There were no instantiations ACH transfers like we have today, no call your credit card company to make a payment over the phone. Nothing like that. You either mailed a check to pay a bill or want to the bank that did your credit card / mortgage / whatever and gave them some cash.

So they drew a line. If you wanted money to pay bills you took it out of savings and put it in checking.
In theory, if you paid bills once a week. You could go to the bank, take money out of savings and put it in your checking and then go home and write checks to pay those bills.

Online banking, more things paid by credit & debit cards, low interest rates, and a host of other things have changed the banking dynamic. Bur the rules was never changed.
Most people don't really care. There are obviously some that do, and sooner or later the rule may be changed but I don't see anyone rushing to do it.
But if you take money out more then 6 times a month is it really a savings account where you put money int to save, or is it now more like a checking account with money going in for the sole reason of taking it out to pay bills.

-Dave
 

[mindrust]

Centralized finance problems…

However, I think both decentralized and centralized finance have their use. You just need to know their limits and when to use them. In your example, you didn’t know about that stupid law and that’s why you became angry. If you knew, you would have tried it.

Decentralization isn’t perfect or suitable for everyone neither. Like I said it is not one or another. You just need to use the necessary one when you need it. Banks are mostly dumb but we still need them somehow.

[Detritus]

I think this restriction depends on the country you are located. In my country there are no limitations to withdrawals in a savings account.  Over here, indigenes are adviced by the bank officials to get there debit cards for easy withdrawal when ever they need cash for them selves. To them (bank officials), giving customers debit card is a trick they use to add a high cost charge for every transaction that is carried out with the card and that's what I hate so much too. Any time you do transaction with the card, you will pay for;
 1. Transfer fee,
 2. withdrawal fee,
 3.deposit fee and
 4.debit card maintenance fee.
With this charges summed up, you notice you can pay your worker a month salary with those fees.
BTC transaction  has no limit and only little gas is spent for fee, but in my country, if you carry out a bank transaction of $2000, you may be spending over $200 to cover fee charge.

[Findingnemo]

You accepted their terms while opening an account so getting angry is not going to make any changes, if it helped you to move towards p2p decentralized monetary system like cryptocurrencies then as crypto enthusiast I am happy about it. But about the savings account and withdrawal limit then its understandable they are here to make money not to provide the service, already they created s paper as money now simply want to keep making money to grow them.