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April 29, 2023, 11:58:30 PM
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So Taiwan is also a chip supplier just like Russia, hmm that's interesting but we also can't disregard the importance of china in the world. I think they have more resources which the world relies on when compared to Taiwan and Russia. Imagine if they will be put on sanction, I think you are right that the effect is going to massive than the recent Ukraine-Russian war but many users are saying that china won't fight because they already know what can happen. Not only because they care on other countries but they do care the most of their business. I remember china always wants to become number one but this war can only slows them down.

Taiwan has characteristics similar to those of Ukraine, and perhaps even more privileged.

Under the Taiwan Independence Agreement, the autonomy agreement will end within a short period, and Taiwan is supposed to return to China as a province free of self-rule. These items are very worrying for the Western alliance, since Taiwan enjoys a Western culture and is a tourist destination under many partnership agreements, in addition to its monopoly on some delicate industries such as semiconductors. Taiwan on the other side is China's most important strategic partner with a huge volume of trade exchange.

The battle is about preserving Taiwan's identity to ensure its loyalty. All this is happening without taking into account the Taiwanese themselves.

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May 12, 2023, 06:39:40 PM
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Recent researches shows that the economic activity is at risk of disruption from conflict in the Taiwan Strait is more than $1 trillion in the best scenario. The most significant disruption to global economic activity may come from the halt in Taiwan's trade with the world, particularly in semiconductors. The repercussions of such disruption will be seen in key chip consuming sectors such as electronics and computing.
In addition, China considers Taiwan one of its provinces, as it is its most important economic partner in the China Sea region, which China controls almost completely, since it economically controls all the ports of direct countries and spreads war arsenals throughout the region, threatening with constant danger.

It is necessary for China and Taiwan to work for a peaceful solution to their differences. Any dispute would have serious repercussions for the global economy, and it is in the interest of all parties to avoid it. The international community can play a role in encouraging dialogue between the two countries and facilitating a peaceful solution. In short, the world cannot ignore the current crisis between China and Taiwan, and every effort must be made to resolve it peacefully, despite the fact that there are many international parties inciting to fuel the conflict between the two countries.

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May 12, 2023, 06:46:57 PM
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So Taiwan is also a chip supplier just like Russia, hmm that's interesting but we also can't disregard the importance of china in the world. I think they have more resources which the world relies on when compared to Taiwan and Russia. Imagine if they will be put on sanction, I think you are right that the effect is going to massive than the recent Ukraine-Russian war but many users are saying that china won't fight because they already know what can happen. Not only because they care on other countries but they do care the most of their business. I remember china always wants to become number one but this war can only slows them down.

Taiwan has characteristics similar to those of Ukraine, and perhaps even more privileged.

Under the Taiwan Independence Agreement, the autonomy agreement will end within a short period, and Taiwan is supposed to return to China as a province free of self-rule. These items are very worrying for the Western alliance, since Taiwan enjoys a Western culture and is a tourist destination under many partnership agreements, in addition to its monopoly on some delicate industries such as semiconductors. Taiwan on the other side is China's most important strategic partner with a huge volume of trade exchange.

The battle is about preserving Taiwan's identity to ensure its loyalty. All this is happening without taking into account the Taiwanese themselves.
Taiwanese are really enjoying the western culture and it been the major concentration for China to reclaim. The presence of the NATO in China with a huge support supplying ammunition and other war equipments is making it very difficult for China to reclima there lost territory. It is very obvious that this is going to take a very long time for the Chinese government to reclaim Taiwan because of the huge support of the US. This is going to be a long war but it is just too obvious that Taiwan can not be an independent state for too long since the Chinese government would never give up in claiming there lost territory.
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May 13, 2023, 08:42:21 AM
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Recent researches shows that the economic activity is at risk of disruption from conflict in the Taiwan Strait is more than $1 trillion in the best scenario. The most significant disruption to global economic activity may come from the halt in Taiwan's trade with the world, particularly in semiconductors. The repercussions of such disruption will be seen in key chip consuming sectors such as electronics and computing.
In addition, China considers Taiwan one of its provinces, as it is its most important economic partner in the China Sea region, which China controls almost completely, since it economically controls all the ports of direct countries and spreads war arsenals throughout the region, threatening with constant danger.

It is necessary for China and Taiwan to work for a peaceful solution to their differences. Any dispute would have serious repercussions for the global economy, and it is in the interest of all parties to avoid it. The international community can play a role in encouraging dialogue between the two countries and facilitating a peaceful solution. In short, the world cannot ignore the current crisis between China and Taiwan, and every effort must be made to resolve it peacefully, despite the fact that there are many international parties inciting to fuel the conflict between the two countries.


It's no secret that the Chinese economy is overheated, has a huge debt load, and a lot of other problems. And the Chinese government simply does not know how to solve all these problems. Plus, for China, a much more difficult problem is approaching - "weaning from Western technologies." No matter how much we respect the Chinese economy, which over the past 30 years has made an indescribable breakthrough, but the basis of this breakthrough is TECHNOLOGIES! And I specify - Western.
Now the United States has taken the vector of a strong reduction in the supply of high technologies to China, and moreover, the withdrawal of high-tech industries to other countries.
For Chinese etokonics, this is, if not a collapse, then a guaranteed way back, 50 years ago.
But Taiwan is actually a magic wand that will solve all the problems of China - after all, it is an almost exclusive chip manufacturer for the WHOLE WORLD!
But there is a nuance...
China, used Russia as a guinea pig, and watched as the Kremlin Fuhrer, bravo promises to take Ukraine in a couple of weeks. And he was sure that the West would again turn its eyes away from this war, as in 2008 when Russia attacked Georgia. And this will open the way for China to take over Taiwan! After all, the calculation was to make sure that the West would again "cowardly sit on the sidelines." But it turned out that the Russian terrorist war of 2022 led ... to the UNION OF THE WEST, the STRENGTHENING of NATO, and the development of a strategy for the destruction of such cancerous tumors of the world. Now China is very indignant that Russia did not fulfill its promises, and moreover, it turned the situation around 180 degrees!
And now a Chinese occupation of Taiwan is becoming very unlikely...
Although I do not rule out that Taiwan will be given to China, but with a lot of conditions, a special status that China will be FORCED to comply with. Because in the event of hostilities, the key value of Taiwan for China will simply be destroyed ...

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May 13, 2023, 09:45:57 AM
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US economic sanctions hit China hard.  This is due to the fact that China is now experiencing a period of rapid growth of its economy. 

The bans and restrictions against the Chinese company Huawei hit China's pride very hard. 

China is in dire need of the most advanced technologies, including those related to the production of the most modern and innovative microcircuits.  Such microcircuits are now manufactured in Taiwan. 

Does this mean that China will try to annex Taiwanese territory by military force?  In my opinion - no! 

China is a country with 5000 years of history.  The Chinese Communist Party has a multi-year planning horizon.  China is ready to get involved in a serious conflict with the United States and its allies, only if there are guarantees of its complete victory.  There is currently no such guarantee. 

Therefore, in my opinion, we will not see an aggravation of the military-political conflict around Taiwan in the near future.

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May 13, 2023, 11:20:10 PM
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So Taiwan is also a chip supplier just like Russia, hmm that's interesting but we also can't disregard the importance of china in the world. I think they have more resources which the world relies on when compared to Taiwan and Russia. Imagine if they will be put on sanction, I think you are right that the effect is going to massive than the recent Ukraine-Russian war but many users are saying that china won't fight because they already know what can happen. Not only because they care on other countries but they do care the most of their business. I remember china always wants to become number one but this war can only slows them down.

Taiwan has characteristics similar to those of Ukraine, and perhaps even more privileged.

Under the Taiwan Independence Agreement, the autonomy agreement will end within a short period, and Taiwan is supposed to return to China as a province free of self-rule. These items are very worrying for the Western alliance, since Taiwan enjoys a Western culture and is a tourist destination under many partnership agreements, in addition to its monopoly on some delicate industries such as semiconductors. Taiwan on the other side is China's most important strategic partner with a huge volume of trade exchange.

The battle is about preserving Taiwan's identity to ensure its loyalty. All this is happening without taking into account the Taiwanese themselves.
Taiwanese are really enjoying the western culture and it been the major concentration for China to reclaim. The presence of the NATO in China with a huge support supplying ammunition and other war equipments is making it very difficult for China to reclima there lost territory. It is very obvious that this is going to take a very long time for the Chinese government to reclaim Taiwan because of the huge support of the US. This is going to be a long war but it is just too obvious that Taiwan can not be an independent state for too long since the Chinese government would never give up in claiming there lost territory.
Despite being a massive power, China has been unable to take any military action against Taiwan due to the support of the US to the island. This has created a dilemma, with China unable to act and Taiwan unable to declare independence without risking retaliation.
The situation has been further complicated by the fact that Washington has continued to support with military aid to Taiwan , making it difficult for China to make any significant moves that can be considered so risky. Finally, tensions between China and Taiwan remain high, with no clear resolution within the near future.

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May 13, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
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It would be a devastating scenario should China's plans of invading Taiwan be set in motion because Xi Jinping's powerhouse manufacturing sector spans across economies round the world including the US and Europe.

 Trade with Russia before it's invasion of Ukraine by the US was $36b yearly while that with Ukraine was $4b. This doesn't scratch the surface of what the US traded with China which is $656b and that of Taiwan: $114b which includes some of the world's most advanced semi conductors. A possible attack of China to Taiwan will sure be a global depression.

Taiwan who broke out of China in 1949 during the end of china's civil war and believe to be an independent state but China sees differently. I just hope Xi would have a change of mind tho.
 
 
And don’t forget however that Taiwan, little as it may be, has ties and allies across the globe, including a relationship with USA that basically insures them from getting any offensive threats from China, as that would confirm that they are indeed pushing for war, and a stalemate with USA and its allies is not gonna be pretty for everyone because of surprise surprise, Nuclear Holocaust. So this standstill, despite its flimsy nature and the fact that it only ever relies on basic trust and faith, is still one of the only things we got before an extinction-level war ensues. Let’s just hope China releases its chokehold against Taiwan (which is ultimately still a farfetched dream) no matter how improbable, all for the sake of humanity.
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May 14, 2023, 09:47:22 AM
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It would be a devastating scenario should China's plans of invading Taiwan be set in motion because Xi Jinping's powerhouse manufacturing sector spans across economies round the world including the US and Europe.

 Trade with Russia before it's invasion of Ukraine by the US was $36b yearly while that with Ukraine was $4b. This doesn't scratch the surface of what the US traded with China which is $656b and that of Taiwan: $114b which includes some of the world's most advanced semi conductors. A possible attack of China to Taiwan will sure be a global depression.

Taiwan who broke out of China in 1949 during the end of china's civil war and believe to be an independent state but China sees differently. I just hope Xi would have a change of mind tho.
 
 
And don’t forget however that Taiwan, little as it may be, has ties and allies across the globe, including a relationship with USA that basically insures them from getting any offensive threats from China, as that would confirm that they are indeed pushing for war, and a stalemate with USA and its allies is not gonna be pretty for everyone because of surprise surprise, Nuclear Holocaust. So this standstill, despite its flimsy nature and the fact that it only ever relies on basic trust and faith, is still one of the only things we got before an extinction-level war ensues. Let’s just hope China releases its chokehold against Taiwan (which is ultimately still a farfetched dream) no matter how improbable, all for the sake of humanity.

China is not yet militarily strong enough to challenge the US.  China has a very large army (because of China's huge population).  

However, the Chinese army has no real combat experience, since China has not taken part in military conflicts.  As a result, there is no certainty that in real combat clashes the Chinese army will show its best and succeed.  

China is a nuclear power.  At the same time, it does not have parity in the number of nuclear warheads with countries such as the United States and the Russian Federation.  

For China, the strategic goal now is not the occupation of Taiwan, but the development of nuclear armed forces to the level of the United States and the Russian Federation.  

If this goal is achieved, then China will become the most powerful state on the globe.

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May 14, 2023, 10:23:31 AM
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War is the biggest disaster and can destroy the economy in a short time, countries that are rich and have strong economic strength will experience a very difficult economic recession, this is because the economic sector of production, distribution and consumption will be disrupted, and I believe China will not war vs Taiwan because china's economy is currently very strong and will be destroyed if a war with Taiwan.

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