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October 21, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
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And how it’s blindly cited again and again over 100 times by other publications.
Nice catch. It's just another indication of their weak and disappointing tactic. Using already debunked papers and arguments to justify their movement. Pathetic.

For what's worth, energy spent per transaction, as I've already said, is a pointless and misunderstood measure. A median on-chain transaction costs essentially zero energy to be created, essentially zero energy to be signed it, and takes very little storage to save it in hard drives across the world. The energy spent by the process of including this transaction, along with many others, into a block should not be confused with the energy that was taken to make this transaction. The energy that is spent in the Bitcoin network, is primarily used to protect the network. Once that is done, transactions can be confirmed. There might as well be no unconfirmed transactions. Just energy spent for network protection.

Furthermore, one on-chain transaction doesn't equate with one transaction. Nearly infinite transactions can be made with just one on-chain transaction, and two computers connected within a payment channel. Again, this projects on how pointless it is to measure the energy that is potentially spent for one Bitcoin transaction.

This is the state of science, journalism, activism and millions of marketing budget in 2022. Its sad, but i think we can also use the opportunity to debunk their arguments directly. If thats all they got.
It's unfair, I know. But their 5 million dollars are going to end sometime. Until then, we debunk.

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Fun fact: The man whose funding all this duplicity is the former Ripple Labs CEO.

This is the company that makes the altcoin XRP.

In case you didn't know, XRP's proof of consensus is not using PoW or PoS, it's using some kinda "proof of bank" - which I call because its using servers owned by several banks to keep track of the blockchain and only those servers are allowed to contribute blocks.

A cryptocurrency mogul is funding an environment org to destroy Bitcoin (proof of work).

Let that sink in your head.

What hypocrisy, isn't it?

It makes me believe that he has something to gain by screwing around with Proof of Work - at this point its all speculation (because I don't know whether he still owns Ripple stock), but perhaps Ripple has some profit to gain from this kind of switch.

You guys know what to do. Send his campaign funds to a black hole and support bitcoincleanup.com. Medium seems to be a good grassroots vector for that, from my experimenting.

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October 21, 2022, 01:12:43 PM
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In case you didn't know, XRP's proof of consensus is not using PoW or PoS, it's using some kinda "proof of bank"
There's no proof of bank. There are only two mechanisms. Proof-of-Work, and fiat.  Wink

A cryptocurrency mogul is funding an environment org to destroy Bitcoin (proof of work).
At this point, I'm going to argue that Ripple, XRP, or whatever the hell it's named, is a cryptocurrency. Usage of cryptography doesn't make electronic money cryptocurrency. Consensus, and monetary policy do. Cryptocurrencies that depend on a leading team to operate are not decentralized, immutable. They're just fiat.

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In case you didn't know, XRP's proof of consensus is not using PoW or PoS, it's using some kinda "proof of bank"

Well, the latest CSW trial has at least shown that, with enough money and persuasion, one can get plenty of people lie for him (knowingly or not, that doesn't matter).
Hence proof of bank is by far inferior to proof of work. But there's nothing new in this, isn't it?

A cryptocurrency mogul is funding an environment org to destroy Bitcoin (proof of work).

Let that sink in your head.

What hypocrisy, isn't it?

How many altcoins are scams? Plenty. What makes this "mogul" better than the shitcoin creators that run with the money? The fact he's staying for more?
Most altcoin creators don't care about bitcoin, or, if they care, all they care is to get some of its "market share".

Unfair competition, by any means, in this case even funding Greenpeace for a false narrative is just one more facet of the "game". Ripple cannot lose anything, it already have its "reputation" amongst bitcoiners. They can win by getting Bitcoin down or they can lose, but the loss will only make Greenpeace look bad, not them. So pretty much a win-win situation, all done with some pocket money.

From what I've read (didn't double check though) there are (former?) Greenpeace members who understood the truth, but I fear we need more than one or just a few. All this crap has the potential to do worse than only hurt bitcoin (as if that wouldn't be enough), it'll make Greenpeace lose its already diminished credibility.

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For those of you who don't know, I launched an alt of Bitcoin Core to "Change the Code" to use Proof of Stake, solely because Greenpeace and co. were too lazy to do so  Grin

Yes, all I did was change constants, but that's what the commit messages say FTW!

So next time someone tells you about ChangeTheCode, just send them to: https://github.com/bitcoincleanup/bitcoin and tell them to run a PoS node.  Tongue

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Soon I will remove the mailing list. Nobody uses it anyway, and I haven't sent a single message from it. I think that would be better for everyone, and I was already advised to do this. Just a heads up.

There might also be a few minor wording changes, but everything else will stay more or less the same.

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Soon I will remove the mailing list. Nobody uses it anyway, and I haven't sent a single message from it. I think that would be better for everyone, and I was already advised to do this. Just a heads up.

There might also be a few minor wording changes, but everything else will stay more or less the same.


You might want to monitor your traffic bandwidth to see if you are getting enough hits to justify wasting your money.  Wink

FYI:
Google search Bitcoincleanup.com
and the 1st site that pops up is https://cleanupbitcoin.com/
Funny enough your site is not even listed.
So you might want to get donations to pay google, if you expect your site to hold any water.  Wink

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Google search Bitcoincleanup.com
and the 1st site that pops up is https://cleanupbitcoin.I'MNOTBACKLINGKINGTHIS.com/
Funny enough your site is not even listed.
I know your feedback says you're a POS-troll, and that seems to be the case here.
Google indexes and shows Bitcoincleanup.com just fine:
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Fun fact: The man whose funding all this duplicity is the former Ripple Labs CEO.

This is the company that makes the altcoin XRP.

In case you didn't know, XRP's proof of consensus is not using PoW or PoS, it's using some kinda "proof of bank" - which I call because its using servers owned by several banks to keep track of the blockchain and only those servers are allowed to contribute blocks.

A cryptocurrency mogul is funding an environment org to destroy Bitcoin (proof of work).

Let that sink in your head.

What hypocrisy, isn't it?

It makes me believe that he has something to gain by screwing around with Proof of Work - at this point its all speculation (because I don't know whether he still owns Ripple stock), but perhaps Ripple has some profit to gain from this kind of switch.

You guys know what to do. Send his campaign funds to a black hole and support bitcoincleanup.com. Medium seems to be a good grassroots vector for that, from my experimenting.

Funny that, a "cryptocurrency" who is in bed with the FIAT financial system, Bitcoin is still
seen as the thread - they are still worried.

In case you didn't know, XRP's proof of consensus is not using PoW or PoS, it's using some kinda "proof of bank"




How many altcoins are scams? Plenty. What makes this "mogul" better than the shitcoin creators that run with the money? The fact he's staying for more?
Most altcoin creators don't care about bitcoin, or, if they care, all they care is to get some of its "market share".

Unfair competition, by any means, in this case even funding Greenpeace for a false narrative is just one more facet of the "game". Ripple cannot lose anything, it already have its "reputation" amongst bitcoiners. They can win by getting Bitcoin down or they can lose, but the loss will only make Greenpeace look bad, not them. So pretty much a win-win situation, all done with some pocket money.

From what I've read (didn't double check though) there are (former?) Greenpeace members who understood the truth, but I fear we need more than one or just a few. All this crap has the potential to do worse than only hurt bitcoin (as if that wouldn't be enough), it'll make Greenpeace lose its already diminished credibility.

I used to own some Ripple years ago but got rid of it when I realised that they were closely
tied up with the banks.

Wouldn't that be some coup for Bitcoincleanup to have those Greenpeace members
willing to share their thoughts about Greenpeace's attack of Bitcoin

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November 06, 2022, 06:19:26 PM
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So you might want to get donations to pay google, if you expect your site to hold any water.  Wink

Working on that - trying to get big-DA crypto websites to do-follow link to my site.

Yes, my site is indexed by Google, it's just has too low of a DA to complete with all the bullshit that's on the first page.

BitcoinCleanup has a DA of 8 and 22 link-back websites, according to Ahrefs

cleanupbitcoin has a DA of 41 and 4.5K link-back websites

^-- nearly all of those link-back websites are news dispatches from May or September.

So it sucks, unless I kick some news reporting sites' collective ass and make them cover my story, things are going to stay like this for a while.

No, it does not mean I'm wasting my time (besides, who reads old news stories anyway?)

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Google search Bitcoincleanup.com
and the 1st site that pops up is https://cleanupbitcoin.I'MNOTBACKLINGKINGTHIS.com/
Funny enough your site is not even listed.
I know your feedback says you're a POS-troll, and that seems to be the case here.
Google indexes and shows Bitcoincleanup.com just fine:

Nope,

on Google.com
when I search Bitcoincleanup.com
Showing results for bitcoin cleanup
With the results I said.

There is a link below the top , that says Search instead for bitcoincleanup.com
now if I click that link I get the results your image showed.

But the default was Showing results for bitcoin cleanup

Seems to be a game afoot at Google Search.  Wink
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But the default was Showing results for bitcoin cleanup

Google's algorithm checks the first few results for slightly different terms and suggest those if the terms you type yield results in the front page with low domain authority.

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Soon I will remove the mailing list. Nobody uses it anyway, and I haven't sent a single message from it. I think that would be better for everyone, and I was already advised to do this. Just a heads up.

There might also be a few minor wording changes, but everything else will stay more or less the same.

As I promised, these adjustments have been implemented.

And the social media share image has been updated to show an actual Hulk.

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I am thinking about how I can put the roughly $100 in donations in advertising.

MellowAds directly sells ad space for bitcoins, but the battle is currently on Twitter, so let's keep it there.

Maybe I could buy some Twitter ads with a prepaid $100 card if they allow me to do that... I mean why wouldn't they? Elon's Twitter is desperate for advertisement money that they will let practically any advertiser in at this point.

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Another warrior has joined in the fight against GreenPeace and Co.: Meet Bitcoin Reserve.

I'll be happy to collaborate with them during the coming weeks.

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BitcoinCleanup is now in the top 5 Google search results for "cleanup bitcoin"! (5th place - at least for me - in some places in the world it is still on page 2).

This is massive work guys. Let's keep up the momentum.  Smiley

That forum factoid slot is really helping, but I could use some banners on other prominent websites as well.

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I am 100% behind an initiative like this, because Greenpeace is sending out the wrong message and they ignore their own contribution to green house gasses and environmental pollution. (Example : Printing 1000's of pamphlets in an age where the Internet are used)  Roll Eyes

You are absolutely targeting the correct audience to launch an initiative like this, because bitcointalk.org has a strong network of Bitcoin supporters.. that will easily debunk this whole PoW myth.

You should also get a team to research a counter argument to highlight the combined affect that the Banking and other financial industries has on energy use and environmental pollution. (Starting with how much damage mining does to gather metals for coins and also paper and plastic for cash)

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April 11, 2023, 08:39:42 AM
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Soon I will remove the mailing list. Nobody uses it anyway, and I haven't sent a single message from it. I think that would be better for everyone, and I was already advised to do this. Just a heads up.

There might also be a few minor wording changes, but everything else will stay more or less the same.
Hey, NotATether thank you for sharing that and feel so good to see the constant push for Bitcoin clean energy advocacy and development, I will soon be putting up my solar inverter in my mining farm which is still in the developmental stage.
In the next couple of week, I may try the new nodes to see how that fit in any way still a nob in Bitcoin technicality but I am sure of going 100% off electricity before the lunch of the mining farm.

You might want to monitor your traffic bandwidth to see if you are getting enough hits to justify wasting your money.  Wink

FYI:
Google search Bitcoincleanup.com
and the 1st site that pops up is https://cleanupbitcoin.com/
Funny enough your site is not even listed.
So you might want to get donations to pay Google if you expect your site to hold any water.  Wink


You may have to take a look again on google to see what result pop up on the list, we have started discussions and promotion over the last couple of months and that have spread the message on bitcoin clean energy, you may have to take a look at the thread I created some time ago to support the development.
Quote from: link=topic=5415584.msg61041408#msg61041408 date=1664610569
I am attracted to the study of Bitcoin energy usage and how Bitcoin clean-up energy has reduced Bitcoin energy usage and helped to improve the entire proof of work algorithm, and how to debunk the false claims from the sponsorers of proof of stake as a replacement to proof of work.
Even though, proof of stake have a high-security disadvantage that makes room for more centralization of the networks aimed at eliminating mining in the networks and replacing it with stakes this allows those with the highest stakes to control the network.
I recommend this site for any newbies looking for a place to build good knowledge about Bitcoin and how the entire network works, I spent a lot of time on the site and I read a lot of articles that contain a wide range of different important topics on Bitcoin clean energy usage and other topics as it relates to Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
I am glad to have found this charity campaign that will help to push out quality information to the general public, that will discredit the falsehood being peddled around the cryptocurrency community.
Read a whitepaper on bitcoin green energy projects.

https://bitcoin.energy

You can take a look at the campaign thread here!
BitcoinCleanup.com is a nonprofit website that debunks myths about Bitcoin's energy use and spreads information about Proof of Work.
This is a free campaign; you do not get paid for wearing these materials. You should wear them to help the cause.
@NotATether am glad to see you bringing this campaign here.

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