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October 02, 2022, 03:59:59 PM
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Writing your seed phrase on paper is the simplest method of safeguarding your crypto. It’s old school but it beats storing you keys on digital notes. Make different copies of your seed phrase and store in different locations. This might be interesting, Coinsutra.com in their article listed Stonebook Notebook as one of the most secure ways to  store Cryptocurrency Seed Words. There are other options one might try like storing your phrase in crossword puzzles, or like @Iroh memorizing your seeds. The problem with this two options is that it will be difficult upon for the family to figure out the phrase upon the death of the owner. Engraving your seed phrases on metal steel seems excessive to me though it may appeal to certain people. I would strongly recommend the stonebook approach as it is more secure and somewhat durable
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October 02, 2022, 08:33:49 PM
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Memorizing the seed phrase will be okay if the person is really good in memorization.
For the seed being placed on any devices/documents/websites, I think it will be good to encrypt it rather than just putting the exact same words. Still both of these will not work for everyone, so I think people should stick on how can they properly manage to store their seeds.

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October 02, 2022, 10:52:40 PM
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Memorizing the seed phrase will be okay if the person is really good in memorization.
What you thought you have memorized and knew for years can still be forgotten. Haven't that happened to you before? It has happened to me. I was surprised that I forgot my highschool anthem after many years that I finished from the school. That is just one example, there are many. If you check my posts on this thread, the memorization I am talking about should be the fourth backup while not depending on it. The best are offline backups.

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October 03, 2022, 05:56:49 AM
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Memorizing the seed phrase will be okay if the person is really good in memorization.
For the seed being placed on any devices/documents/websites, I think it will be good to encrypt it rather than just putting the exact same words. Still both of these will not work for everyone, so I think people should stick on how can they properly manage to store their seeds.

One day, a piece of some heavy substance that falls on the head, or an accidental but strong enough blow to the head, completely knocks out all the information about seed phrases and, in general, about one's own name. As a result, relying on one's own strength is such an occupation.
It has already been advised many times how to save your seed phrases. I think you should not invent a bicycle. Special paranoid agents can be advised to use all the methods at once in case of any catastrophe, including an alien attack.


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October 03, 2022, 04:51:37 PM
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There is no paper wallet or books that are water resistance or fire resistance, how are you protecting yourself from natural disasters that can affect your recovery seed when you wrote it down in a book, big note or paper...
Natural disaster can affect seed phrase written in a book. But if you can still keep the seed phrase safe just the way you value your certificates,  I think it will be safe. Sometimes what makes us lose our seed phrase is carelessness by not keeping it in a proper place.

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October 03, 2022, 05:16:03 PM
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Natural disaster can affect seed phrase written in a book.
Putting them in two different locations would prevent this. Disaster proof is not so reliable as there are many variables to consider.

A safe way of being relatively secured is having more than one safe locations. A disaster would not likely hit both (or more) of the locations at the exact same time.

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October 03, 2022, 05:27:43 PM
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There is no paper wallet or books that are water resistance or fire resistance, how are you protecting yourself from natural disasters that can affect your recovery seed when you wrote it down in a book, big note or paper...

Good question- I think the best possible way in order to secure your recovery seed while not compromising its safety is to store them in a sealed deposit box. Generally, you can get a deposit box and have it deposited in your local bank for safekeeping. Maybe another method would be to properly store it in your own safety box for maximum security.

Given that there is really nothing secured in the internet, I highly advise you to keep or store it digitally as it may be susceptible of hacking. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the least likely event that would happen as anything can definitely happen- just go with the lower chances of happening.

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October 03, 2022, 05:39:07 PM
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Memorizing the seed phrase will be okay if the person is really good in memorization.
For the seed being placed on any devices/documents/websites, I think it will be good to encrypt it rather than just putting the exact same words. Still both of these will not work for everyone, so I think people should stick on how can they properly manage to store their seeds.
No matter how good the memory is, it should not be completely trusted. Human memory is very fragile and the slightest injury or disease can destroy the information about seed phrase stored in memory. Even paper wallet can be better and more reliable in comparison. Even despite its vulnerability to fire, acids and other methods of destruction. But this can be fixed thanks to external storage, in the form of a metal capsule and a box. The disadvantages of one material can always be compensated by the properties of another.

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October 03, 2022, 06:02:37 PM
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Natural disaster can affect seed phrase written in a book.
Putting them in two different locations would prevent this. Disaster proof is not so reliable as there are many variables to consider.

A safe way of being relatively secured is having more than one safe locations. A disaster would not likely hit both (or more) of the locations at the exact same time.
Two written locations is good for people who are very careful and always remember this locations. But I don't think it will be good for everyone,  some people are very careless to handle just one location.

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October 03, 2022, 08:42:16 PM
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There is no paper wallet or books that are water resistance or fire resistance, how are you protecting yourself from natural disasters that can affect your recovery seed when you wrote it down in a book, big note or paper...

It's better to engrave it to a metal steel or aluminum bar rather than relying on a piece of paper. In this way no matter if it's exposed to flame or water, you've got no problem as it won't get destroyed.

Seed phrases should be treated like our bank pin like doing whatever it takes to make sure we still have it even with the effect of natural disasters.

Bank pins can be memorized easily, but not seed phrases or private keys. Do whatever it takes for these seed phrases to be protected even if it means that we are greatly affected by these natural disasters in the future.

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October 04, 2022, 06:00:40 AM
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There is no paper wallet or books that are water resistance or fire resistance, how are you protecting yourself from natural disasters that can affect your recovery seed when you wrote it down in a book, big note or paper...
Doesnt really mean you need to write it down on a piece of paper. It could be somewhere durable or anything that could withstand any possible scenarios such as flood or fire.

Therr is a simple one or lamination. But to think a very high act of hazard could happened. It alsways better to have back up. Or to be more secure then write it on paper, cover it with something strong bury it on a place no one would find or dig it below and put it there. There are some ways to remedy this, you just need to be creative and wise to protect it.

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October 04, 2022, 06:52:09 AM
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You could always have it memorized.
This is really the worst idea in my opinion, who can remember more than 20 words containing uppercase and lowercase characters, it's not an easy thing to do especially for a long time.

You could also go on your mobile, to the notes app probably already installed on your device and have it written and stored there. Then safeguard it all with a password or whatever security lock your device uses.
How sure are you that the recovery phrase will be safe there. I don't recommend saving the backup recovery phrase in the above way, it's too risky for me. You should consider choosing the media or place as you mentioned because it is very vulnerable to the risk of being lost or damaged.


If you don't want to have the same fate as this user, then consider storing the recovery phrase in a safer place.

This wallet I created in 2017. Then Im sure I copied the private keys but I think its saved in a hard drive that is broken.

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October 04, 2022, 06:56:14 AM
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You could always have it memorized.
This is really the worst idea in my opinion, who can remember more than 20 words containing uppercase and lowercase characters, it's not an easy thing to do especially for a long time.
You are right that it's not a good idea to memorize the seed phrase instead of writing it down. You should always keep your seed phrase in a safe place and never trust your memory. But take note that a seed phrase includes meaningful words and they are not case sensitive. Also, a seed phrase usually includes 12 words.

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October 04, 2022, 04:11:52 PM
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That's why it is good to have a different copy of this seed into your place and of course you want to become safe and not getting prone and vulnerable to the hackers paper is the best but because of it's too much fragile it is good to have a lot of copies of it to make sure you don't miss out incase you lose it but of course for sure no one will forgot those wallet if there's a large amount of assets.

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October 05, 2022, 06:57:30 AM
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You could always have it memorized.
You could also go on your mobile, to the notes app probably already installed on your device and have it written and stored there. Then safeguard it all with a password or whatever security lock your device uses.


These are probably the things which we should avoid while safely keeping our seed phrase and you are going the wrong way.Do you think the human mind is capable of memorizing the 12-24 words in complete order for whole lifetime? You could easily mess that up and brute forcing will not be an option to you.

Storing it on notes on mobile is risky as what if your phone is lost? Your seed inside your phone will be used to take out your funds by importing it to any wallet that supports BIP-39 and then you will regret.Any security lock on it is breakable as it's easy to do such things so don't go this way and prefer offline modes only.

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October 05, 2022, 10:07:15 AM
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Writing seed phrases on paper is the simplest and most secured way of keeping your keys safe, this practice is 100% offline so there is no chance of revealing those valuable words to sneaky eyes.

You are right that paper easily gets destroyed but there are ways to secure your paper, it's better to use a book instead and store that book in a safe with lock or key combination lock.

You can also carve the seed words on a iron like steel, and keep the steel in a safe with a security lock.

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I have for once, think about such a scenario. What gives me the courage not to worry or think about it much was that I will still have my phone to fall back on to recover my seed phrases, if a peradventure happens. There is no way I can lose my phone and the paper I wrote down my recovery seed phrases will get burnt in natural disasters at the same time. I will either have one with me. Which is my phone that has my crypto wallet address

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October 05, 2022, 11:02:13 AM
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I have for once, think about such a scenario. What gives me the courage not to worry or think about it much was that I will still have my phone to fall back on to recover my seed phrases, if a peradventure happens. There is no way I can lose my phone and the paper I wrote down my recovery seed phrases will get burnt in natural disasters at the same time. I will either have one with me. Which is my phone
There is no way that you can lose your phone? LOL.  Saving seed on your phone is one of the worst places possible to store something as sensitive as seed is. Not only that you can lose the phone, someone can steal it as well, or your phone may suddenly stop working without you being able to switch it on ever again (something like that happened to me despite it being relatively new Samsung flagship model). So no, you are not well prepared at all.

My advice for you is to delete the seed from your phone asap and instead save a copy at your parent's house, or whoever you can trust with something like that.

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October 05, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
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There is no paper wallet or books that are water resistance or fire resistance, how are you protecting yourself from natural disasters that can affect your recovery seed when you wrote it down in a book, big note or paper...

Since you are that interested in using paper wallet i will advise you get your keys inscribed on a metalic material that can be indestructible, safeguard the material and if possible have another copy of it making two and save them in two different locations, this method is the best and most recommended of other means of handling, if you make use of laminating it on paper it can only be waterproof but fire can burn it up, using a metalic material can withstand both fire and water disaster.



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October 05, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
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I have for once, think about such a scenario. What gives me the courage not to worry or think about it much was that I will still have my phone to fall back on to recover my seed phrases, if a peradventure happens. There is no way I can lose my phone and the paper I wrote down my recovery seed phrases will get burnt in natural disasters at the same time. I will either have one with me. Which is my phone
There is no way that you can lose your phone? LOL.  Saving seed on your phone is one of the worst places possible to store something as sensitive as seed is. Not only that you can lose the phone, someone can steal it as well, or your phone may suddenly stop working without you being able to switch it on ever again (something like that happened to me despite it being relatively new Samsung flagship model). So no, you are not well prepared at all.

My advice for you is to delete the seed from your phone asap and instead save a copy at your parent's house, or whoever you can trust with something like that.
What I meant is that, since I have my crypto wallet address on my phone, I can still get the seed phrase from there. I haven't for once stored my recovery seed phrase on my phone. That's what am trying to explain

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