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November 09, 2022, 07:44:59 AM
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There is an important difference between a hardware wallet no longer receiving updates in order to support new addresses or features, and not being able to work with already existing addresses and features.
I don't see Ledger dropping support for the Nano S in a way that you won't be able to connect it with their software and keep using it, even with outdated features. If Ledger has sold over 5 million devices altogether, I am sure there are at least 1-2 million active Nano S users worldwide right now. It would be too big of a gamble to try and force them to abandon the Nano S by making it unusable with the intent to have them purchase Nano X or Nano S Plus instead. Some would take the bait and do it, while others would be lost as future customers for sure.

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November 09, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
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When talking about planned obsolescence and 'having to replace the wallet in 2 years', it's actually pretty nice to see that Ledger Nano S and Trezor One were / are sold and supported with updates for a pretty long time (6/8 years respectively). You could argue that the manufacturers got lazy and capitalized on the success of their first device, but in fact both tried to release fancier products that simply didn't gain as much traction.

Trezor Model One: released in 2014
Ledger Nano S: released in 2016

I guess with any hardware product, there comes a time when the components just don't hold up with new software features / requirements.. Compare memory prices, for instance. They were much higher than today, 6-8 years ago.

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November 09, 2022, 01:03:55 PM
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There is an important difference between a hardware wallet no longer receiving updates in order to support new addresses or features, and not being able to work with already existing addresses and features.
I don't see Ledger dropping support for the Nano S in a way that you won't be able to connect it with their software and keep using it, even with outdated features. If Ledger has sold over 5 million devices altogether, I am sure there are at least 1-2 million active Nano S users worldwide right now. It would be too big of a gamble to try and force them to abandon the Nano S by making it unusable with the intent to have them purchase Nano X or Nano S Plus instead. Some would take the bait and do it, while others would be lost as future customers for sure.
It must be admitted that the Ledger has one of the largest (maybe even the bigest) user bases among the hardware wallet manufacturers and, like any company, Ledger is interested in supporting its customers. Especially when there are so many of them. Sudden termination of support for their devices will only cause a flurry of discontent and add another unpleasant scandal to the company's list of failures, affecting its reputation. It seems to me that in the coming years there is no need to wait for the Nano S app update to stop. This is very unprofitable for this brand.

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November 09, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
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You've confused me with the last part. Doesn't SeedSigner need to contain seed or zprv in order to sign tx?!
I like the idea of erasing seed words each time you turn off power from your device, and then import them quickly with QR code scan that contains seed words.
SeedSigner, Krux and few other signing devices have non-persistent storage, so they don't really need secure elements.

Software is as much as hardware under that warranty, simply because it's only them who can deliver it.
Or you expect they'll change the Nano S for Nano S plus when people will complain that the LL no longer supports their Nano because the software is too old!?
So the important updates will be there.
Check out for yourself if you can still use their ledger live app with all of their many discontinued products like Ledger HW.1, Ledger Nano, Ledger Unplugged and Ledger Blue, than you will answer to your questions.
Warranty for many product doesn't mean you are going to receive updates in future, especially after production stops for this devices, it's rear thing even for smartphones.

If it doesn't support new address formats (I'm thinking of Taproot now), the hardware wallet becomes pretty useless.
I think they support Taproot address format.
Hardware wallets with Taproot support are Ledger, Trezor and BitBox02, and I know SeedSigner developers are also working on this.




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