Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗

[larry_vw_1955]

Good job on dodging everything else i said. Pretty obvious to me what you are doing here.
...
Unless.... shilling

You claim you went on their chat and asked if it was ok to do "multi account" and even showed us a screenshot of that chat. But in your screenshot you didn't explain to them why you would be using that feature.  And how come you even took a screenshot of that innocent chat in the first place? Most people don't do that you know? Unless they have a plan in place that they might need to use it as "evidence" later on in case something goes wrong

Another thing is which raises a small red flag is your following statement where you claim they told you using vpns/proxies was ok.

I even asked the support and the chat and they all said it is fine to multi-account and that the usage of VPNs/Proxies is not against their rules.

It's not ok to use a vpn to circumvent this type of message:

Rollbit.com is unavailable in your country.
For any questions, please contact support@rollbit.com

Were you using a vpn to bypass that message or for some other reason?

Sorry you don't like the scrutiny but you came here with your story and you put it out there. this is a discussion forum where people discuss things other people post. if you don't like that, then you could have posted your review of rollbit on trustpilot where only they can reply.

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[Lak93xy]

You claim you went on their chat and asked if it was ok to do "multi account" and even showed us a screenshot of that chat. But in your screenshot you didn't explain to them why you would be using that feature.  And how come you even took a screenshot of that innocent chat in the first place? Most people don't do that you know? Unless they have a plan in place that they might need to use it as "evidence" later on in case something goes wrong

Let me correct you here, since once again you seem to not really read carefully whats happening.
The provided screenshot is from a friend of mine as i stated before already. And yes, i did take safety measurements, because while you are talking like bookies/casinos are the poor victims, in reality its often them who try to do shady stuff. But i guess you never heared of such cases? Thats why im protecting myself beforehand, which i would advice everyone who plays with significant amounts of money. Such a weird thing to do right?

It's not ok to use a vpn to circumvent this type of message:

Rollbit.com is unavailable in your country.
For any questions, please contact support@rollbit.com

Were you using a vpn to bypass that message or for some other reason?

Once again - you probably didnt read what was being said before - i did KYC on the account. If i would be a citizen of a blocked country i think we would have a different case on our hands and they probably would have mentioned something in their previous "statement".

Sorry you don't like the scrutiny but you came here with your story and you put it out there. this is a discussion forum where people discuss things other people post. if you don't like that, then you could have posted your review of rollbit on trustpilot where only they can reply.

I dont have a problem with critical voices, but i did my best here to provide what i can. At the moment, ive been sharing what i can while Rollbit released a very very vague statement and since than has failed to follow up on it. You are the only person here trying to frame me in that way, without any proof. And yea its pretty weird to me, how personally attacked you seem aswell.

Checking your history in this forum and everything, i wouldnt be surprised if you are somewhat related to rollbit . A dev maybe?

[remainuk]

Dear OP,

First of all, I want to state I'm sorry about the absolute idiots you've had to deal with in this thread.

Some of the people in this thread appear to be intentionally behaving in obtuse ways, just to aggravate you. I cannot explain why or what their motivations are, or maybe they are just too plumb stupid to understand your case.

I understood your case right away.

You bet, you won, you made some multiple accounts to avoid the limits imposed on the previous accounts. If you could be accused of anything wrong here, you tried to evade these previous limits.

That does not justify Rollbit stealing $10,000 from you, and Razer's response is woefully inadequate.

You have also stated you never received any warnings. This is entirely possible. Rollbit should show some evidence of these supposed warnings they sent you. If you did not receive warnings, or it was not clear you would get in trouble trying to evade those warnings, then I think it can be partially understood why you might think it was safe to create new accounts. After all, you did deposit $10,000, so you must have felt it was safe, which suggests your motivations were not "nefarious" but more a case of naivete or believing multi-accounts was an acceptable option.

The correct action here is to return the $10,000 and explain that you cannot evade the sports book limits with multiple accounts.

The TOS is clear, you can create multiple accounts. If they have an issue with people doing that, then they need to be a lot more clear about what is allowed and what isn't.

Time for Rollbit to return the funds and make a clear statement on what happened, and end this. Otherwise, this looks very bad for them, and I find Razer's replies just totally inadequate and seemingly dismissive of the situation. Prove and clearly explain how OP broke the TOS, and please justify why it is some how OK for you to take his $10,000 deposit, and explain to us how that isn't theft on your part. We are watching and wait, Razer and Rollbit.com. OP has explained himself enough.

I will also add, I would take Rollbit's side here IF they could offer some clear evidence and a case as to why OP was being "nefarious" and please show the many warnings you claimed he received. Explain more clearly, in a way that is legally justifiable, why it's ok to take his $10,000.

(Full disclosure: I am not affiliated with OP or Rollbit in any way.)

[elbill]

It is good to know that you are being robbed in this way to avoid these scammers.

[larry_vw_1955]

Let me correct you here, since once again you seem to not really read carefully whats happening.

I was just going off of your initial post where you said this:

I even asked the support and the chat and they all said it is fine to multi-account and that the usage of VPNs/Proxies is not against their rules.

You then proceeded in your initial post to provide a screenshot of that supposed chat. But now you say this:

The provided screenshot is from a friend of mine as i stated before already.

So while it may not have been intentional, you contradicted yourself which would bring up the following question naturally:
 
When exactly did this chat your friend had take place? Before or after you put $10,000 into this new account you created?

And yes, i did take safety measurements, because while you are talking like bookies/casinos are the poor victims, in reality its often them who try to do shady stuff. But i guess you never heared of such cases?

A real safety measure would have been you going on their chat and telling them you got limited in your other account(s) and is it ok  you open a new account (and put $10,000 in). it doesn't appear you did that though. since you have no screenshots of such a conversation.

how many accounts did you have opened up and limited before you opened up this account that you deposited $10,000 into? did i miss that somewhere? it certainly was not mentioned in your initial post. why not put all of the details into the initial posting?

Once again - you probably didnt read what was being said before - i did KYC on the account.

really? if that's the case then you just answered your own question.

Im sure there are other folks out there, who maybe did the same. But how do you draw the conclusion that those were MY accounts? I would really appreciate you coming forward with evidence, to prove that those accounts warned were mine.

but maybe you didn't use your real identity on some of the accounts or something?

If i would be a citizen of a blocked country i think we would have a different case on our hands and they probably would have mentioned something in their previous "statement".

they never claimed you were doing that anyway but if you would have been then yes, that would be a different situation with no leg to stand on.

I dont have a problem with critical voices, but i did my best here to provide what i can. At the moment, ive been sharing what i can while Rollbit released a very very vague statement and since than has failed to follow up on it.

i'll be honest with you that disagree that their statement was vague. i think it was pretty much in line with what could be expected. that's how companies reply to complaints. how i would expect them to reply to your complaint based on how they reply to other peoples complaints on trustpilot. in some of those cases they resolved the person's issue.

You are the only person here trying to frame me in that way, without any proof. And yea its pretty weird to me, how personally attacked you seem aswell.

Checking your history in this forum and everything, i wouldnt be surprised if you are somewhat related to rollbit . A dev maybe?

the accusations you make are unfounded and it doesn't surprise me though. seeing how you are so offbase in this one how you could be offbase in another one...

[Lak93xy]

You are just trying to turn and twist everything against me. Plus you just completely ignore things already discussed in this thread, but im really done having this nonsense conversations with you, because you are not even trying or have a rational view point on things.

(For example i stated multiple times that this is the first account i had to KYC on, so god knows how you come up with "or maybe you used a fake ID".)


Either you are shilling/affiliated with them or you just have some other problem i dont know. Also weird how you are the only person in this thread agreeing with their behavior / thinking their response was enough


But that right here was all i needed. ->

the accusations you make are unfounded and it doesn't surprise me though. seeing how you are so offbase in this one how you could be offbase in another one...

Woops. Gotcha!

Imagine someone making unfounded accusations without any sort of proof. This is what you are doing since you joined this thread.

Take a look in the mirror my friend.

[larry_vw_1955]

Plus you just completely ignore things already discussed in this thread

so you expect people to remember every little thing you said throughout your many postings here when a single initial posting could have sufficed had you been organized and put all the information in its full completeness right in that one posting. i did my best to try and understand your situation but you still left some questions unanswered primarily why you would not have talked to them yourself first and explained why you were opening another account after your other one(s) got limited. to me that seems like a prudent thing to do so that you don't end up well, in the situation you are now!

(For example i stated multiple times that this is the first account i had to KYC on, so god knows how you come up with "or maybe you used a fake ID".)

i have no idea how their site works i thought maybe you can be anonymous and use their services. give me a break. not everyone can read your mind.

Either you are shilling/affiliated with them or you just have some other problem i dont know. Also weird how you are the only person in this thread agreeing with their behavior / thinking their response was enough

i'm not the only one. other people have pointed out where and how you went wrong potentially but you just kept on trucking...

 i dont have any sympathy for people that try and scam sportsbooks nor do i have any for sportsbooks that try and scam innocent people. hows that?

[Lak93xy]

so you expect people to remember every little thing you said throughout your many postings here when a single initial posting could have sufficed had you been organized and put all the information in its full completeness right in that one posting. i did my best to try and understand your situation but you still left some questions unanswered primarily why you would not have talked to them yourself first and explained why you were opening another account after your other one(s) got limited. to me that seems like a prudent thing to do so that you don't end up well, in the situation you are now!

Well yea thats what i expect from someone who is so engaged in a discussion.

i have no idea how their site works i thought maybe you can be anonymous and use their services. give me a break. not everyone can read your mind.

You dont have to read my mind, just the thread... But yea as you just said, i shouldnt expect this from you. Much better to just throw random questions out in an attempt to make someone look sus, instead of reading the thread carefully. 

[larry_vw_1955]

Well yea thats what i expect from someone who is so engaged in a discussion.

it's funny how you want rollbit to answer all of YOUR questions but you won't answer any of mine. kind of strange huh?

You dont have to read my mind, just the thread... But yea as you just said, i shouldnt expect this from you. Much better to just throw random questions out in an attempt to make someone look sus, instead of reading the thread carefully. 

"why would I open up another account with $10,000 when they had limited me in a previous account or accounts?"

you've continually failed to answer the question of how many previous accounts you had opened up and had limited although at least rollbit clarified that in their single reply so i guess i'll just go with what they said on that which is that it was MORE THAN ONE. now does that make any sense why if you had had more than one previous account limited for making bets that you would just go and dump in a possibly even bigger amount of money into a new account to try and do the same exact thing you got limited for in the previous ones? NO it doesn't make sense at all. anyone that would do that is lacking in a bit of common sense and apparently that is you. have a nice day.

[Lak93xy]

it's funny how you want rollbit to answer all of YOUR questions but you won't answer any of mine. kind of strange huh?

Are you a representative of Rollbit? If so, I am more than happy to answer anything you want me to. Otherwise, you're just flooding the whole topic with your troll posts.
In addition, I have answered every "question" from you, even though most of your "questions" were out of context or subjective towards supporting Rollbit.

you've continually failed to answer the question of how many previous accounts you had opened up and had limited although at least rollbit clarified that in their single reply so i guess i'll just go with what they said on that which is that it was MORE THAN ONE. now does that make any sense why if you had had more than one previous account limited for making bets that you would just go and dump in a possibly even bigger amount of money into a new account to try and do the same exact thing you got limited for in the previous ones? NO it doesn't make sense at all. anyone that would do that is lacking in a bit of common sense and apparently that is you. have a nice day.

As I've said many times, I did use multiple accounts. I've never denied it, brother.

Nevertheless, you're way too invested in this thread - take a chill pill and wait for the outcome. It has nothing to do with you nor do you have a reason to be so emotional and defensive of Rollbit.
It is between Rollbit and me as their customer.
Have a nice day too, Sir.

I will just flag Rollbit as the next step and when nothing changes there's a long journey ahead of us. They picked the wrong person to do their shady stuff with.

[larry_vw_1955]

it's funny how you want rollbit to answer all of YOUR questions but you won't answer any of mine. kind of strange huh?

Are you a representative of Rollbit? If so, I am more than happy to answer anything you want me to. Otherwise, you're just flooding the whole topic with your troll posts.

it's not troll posts. this is the "scam accusations" section. you have accused them of scamming you. it's just an accusation. so it's subject to discussion and questioning from whoever wants to. you're free to ignore, reply or whatever else you want to do. but no i'm not connected to rollbit. just so you know. i don't want you thinking you're talking to them when you're not.

In addition, I have answered every "question" from you, even though most of your "questions" were out of context or subjective towards supporting Rollbit.

You claim they never warned you but if you had multiple accounts that got limited by them which you admit to then how could that not be considered about the most serious warning you could get. I guess you wanted them to shoot you over an email along with it?  

you've continually failed to answer the question of how many previous accounts you had opened up and had limited although at least rollbit clarified that in their single reply so i guess i'll just go with what they said on that which is that it was MORE THAN ONE. now does that make any sense why if you had had more than one previous account limited for making bets that you would just go and dump in a possibly even bigger amount of money into a new account to try and do the same exact thing you got limited for in the previous ones? NO it doesn't make sense at all. anyone that would do that is lacking in a bit of common sense and apparently that is you. have a nice day.

As I've said many times, I did use multiple accounts. I've never denied it, brother.

How many accounts exactly? Why not just be fully transparent about how many there were.

And there's no good answer to my question in bold. you can't answer that question. and that's the problem. everyone else can see the issue too.


you seem to think i'm against you just because for some unobjective reason thats not the case. For example, had you approached them through their live chat before making that new account with the $10,000 and told them how you had been limited previously on other accounts and wanted to know if it was ok to open up a new one with $10,000 so you could do the same thing you were using those other accounts for and they said "sure, go for it not a problem!" and you had screenshots of that then I would have no reason to be suspicious of you.

Nevertheless, you're way too invested in this thread - take a chill pill and wait for the outcome.

sports gambling kind of gets me excited.  

It has nothing to do with you nor do you have a reason to be so emotional and defensive of Rollbit.
It is between Rollbit and me as their customer.

i'd say its between you and a person at rollbit. whoever that person is.

I will just flag Rollbit as the next step and when nothing changes there's a long journey ahead of us. They picked the wrong person to do their shady stuff with.

so you're saying legal action. well that's going to cost money.

[Pmalek]

I have read the last few posts and questions larry_vw_1955 asked, and he makes some valid points.

OP keeps stating that using multiple accounts is OK, but I tried to explain that it's surely not OK for all purposes. We go back to the "nefarious purposes" that is mentioned in Rollbit's TOS. OP also says they didn't warn me, and I agree with Larry here. After you opened your first account and it got limited, you opened a second. Maybe you opened a third, fifth, tenth... you never said how many there were. If all the accounts you had got limited, is that not warning enough for you? Does that not ring any bells in your head and makes you think: Hey, I am obviously doing something wrong, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my previous X accounts limited? 

I also agree with Larry that if you had been straight with the Rollbit team and told them clearly: I have had x accounts limited in the past. Can I open a new one to circumvent the restrictions you placed on my previous X accounts to place bigger wagers? If they said sure, go ahead, but then they confiscated your money and banned you, I would support you and consider what they did a scam.

But that didn't happen. You or your friend only asked them if players are allowed to have multiple accounts, and they said yes. You weren't even remotely specific enough to explain what you wanted or planned to do.

A real-life unrelated example:
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun? YES
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun to shoot people at my local shopping mall? NO

The second one is a very specific question that shows the intention and reason for wanting to have a gun. The first one is a generic question. You should have asked the second type of question before taking any action. But you asked a simple one and you got a simple answer. Yes, you can have multiple accounts. That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with those accounts.   

[Pmalek]

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You seem to have mixed up two different scam accusations. My post that you quoted above is from Rollbit.com scam, and took my money including deposit. (500$), so I think it's appropriate if that case is discussed in the other thread. Coming back to this one, there is no question here if OP has used different Rollbit accounts, and he admitted to have done so.

[LoyceV]

You seem to have mixed up two different scam accusations.

You're right, I copied from multiple topics, and intended to post it here. It's fixed.

Coming back to this one, there is no question here if OP has used different Rollbit accounts, and he admitted to have done so.

OP admitted using multiple accounts, because it's allowed. Rollbit claimed he used more accounts, but hasn't provided evidence. For more than 2 weeks, they've ignored my questions. That's not what a honest casino would do:

To me, their silence speaks volumes. If they would have satisfying answers, they would have given them by now.

[Pmalek]

OP admitted using multiple accounts, because it's allowed.

It's allowed unless multiple accounts are used for "nefarious purposes". It's unclear what kind of purposes those are, but if a player isn't sure about it or has doubt if what he plans to do is acceptable behavior, he should have asked the casino. OP didn't do that. He assumed it was OK to open multiple accounts to bet above limits set on his older accounts.

Rollbit claimed he used more accounts, but hasn't provided evidence.

They don't need to because OP never claimed having only one account. OP has said he used multiple ones and that his older accounts got limited. Rollbit doesn't need to prove something OP has admitted to. 

For more than 2 weeks, they've ignored my questions. That's not what a honest casino would do.

I agree with you there. And I don't appreciate the silence. But I also don't think OP is innocent and didn't know what he was doing.

[actmyname]

It's allowed unless multiple accounts are used for "nefarious purposes". It's unclear what kind of purposes those are, but if a player isn't sure about it or has doubt if what he plans to do is acceptable behavior, he should have asked the casino. OP didn't do that. He assumed it was OK to open multiple accounts to bet above limits set on his older accounts.

While I regard the new account creation, liberal interpretation of rules and of the limits as willful negligence, using such vague terms in ToS as an umbrella to seize funds is simply too charitable.

I would consider the disregard of betting limits to be under the umbrella of "nefarious" if using the word to its extremes. Frankly, the word nefarious should be replaced altogether.
Though perhaps a simple, "you are limited to $XXXX for sports bets," doesn't encapsulate Rollbit's intent enough. Instead, they should have written, "you, the person behind the computer and creator of this account are limited to $XXXX for sports bets, and should not create any new accounts to bypass this limit."

[Lak93xy]

I have read the last few posts and questions larry_vw_1955 asked, and he makes some valid points.

OP keeps stating that using multiple accounts is OK, but I tried to explain that it's surely not OK for all purposes. We go back to the "nefarious purposes" that is mentioned in Rollbit's TOS. OP also says they didn't warn me, and I agree with Larry here. After you opened your first account and it got limited, you opened a second. Maybe you opened a third, fifth, tenth... you never said how many there were. If all the accounts you had got limited, is that not warning enough for you? Does that not ring any bells in your head and makes you think: Hey, I am obviously doing something wrong, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my previous X accounts limited? 

I also agree with Larry that if you had been straight with the Rollbit team and told them clearly: I have had x accounts limited in the past. Can I open a new one to circumvent the restrictions you placed on my previous X accounts to place bigger wagers? If they said sure, go ahead, but then they confiscated your money and banned you, I would support you and consider what they did a scam.

But that didn't happen. You or your friend only asked them if players are allowed to have multiple accounts, and they said yes. You weren't even remotely specific enough to explain what you wanted or planned to do.

A real-life unrelated example:
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun? YES
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun to shoot people at my local shopping mall? NO

The second one is a very specific question that shows the intention and reason for wanting to have a gun. The first one is a generic question. You should have asked the second type of question before taking any action. But you asked a simple one and you got a simple answer. Yes, you can have multiple accounts. That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with those accounts.   

I understand what you are saying, but your personal definition of "nefarious purposes" is not really important, neither is mine. Whats important is what is written in their rules, and they have not stated anywhere that you are not allowed to open new accounts once you got limited on sports. But on the other side, they do go very much into detail whats seen as "nefarious purposes". For example absuing their chat, bonus or reward system.

Furthermore i notice how a lot of you guys in this thread seem to look at being limited on a sportsbook as a "warning" or "you did something wrong". But thats not really the case. And does not allow you to confiscate funds of someone. If you want to do that, you have to state that in your ToS.

Ill give you an example aswell.

Your an advantage player on blackjack and play at a casino.

They can ask you to stop playing and back you off, but they cant confiscate your funds/winnings. You dont even have to show them your ID. Do you know why? Because its not written in their rules.

[Lak93xy]

You seem to have mixed up two different scam accusations.

You're right, I copied from multiple topics, and intended to post it here. It's fixed.

Coming back to this one, there is no question here if OP has used different Rollbit accounts, and he admitted to have done so.

OP admitted using multiple accounts, because it's allowed. Rollbit claimed he used more accounts, but hasn't provided evidence. For more than 2 weeks, they've ignored my questions. That's not what a honest casino would do:

To me, their silence speaks volumes. If they would have satisfying answers, they would have given them by now.

Thanks for pointing this thread out, because i think that actually shows that they dont have answers to a lot of the questions here.

Notice how detailed they go into his case, linking blockchain history, account names etc.

Here they failed to even respond in 2 weeks? I can tell you why, because the accounts they can link to my other account, they have never been warned like they claimed. Nor have they ever received a message saying "we will confiscate your funds next time and you are not welcome to play here anymore."


And i have serious evidence of that, im just waiting for them to come forward to proof that, so i can show that they are lying. Thats why im holding back the Information of how many accounts i had so far.

[Pmalek]

I understand what you are saying, but your personal definition of "nefarious purposes" is not really important, neither is mine. Whats important is what is written in their rules, and they have not stated anywhere that you are not allowed to open new accounts once you got limited on sports.

Terms and conditions of any site are there to protect them and not me or you. Since they make the rules, whenever it looks like it's a 50/50 situation, they will use those rules in their favor. Whether or not it's right or fair is not something corporations and businesses care about.

You are probably right about there not being a specific rule that says you aren't allowed to use multiple accounts to circumvent betting limitations. It's been almost a month since this thread got started, so I don't remember exactly what their rules state. But if I am not wrong, one of the points is they can remove your right to use any site features whenever they think it's necessary. If you combine that with the nefarious purposes thing, you get a couple of rules that are vague, inconclusive, and unclear. But like I said previously, the rules are there to protect them, not you. And they can always say that your abuse of betting limitations resulted in everything else that happened to you.

Extreme, unfair, unorthodox, morally wrong... call it whatever you want. TOSs are sadly there to catch you in the act of doing something you aren't supposed to do and protect the other side. That's why you shouldn't give them reasons to use any of their terms against you. Just because I am saying that, doesn't mean I like it. It's the reality. 

Have you presented your case in front of AskGamblers or a similar service to see what they have to say? Are you considering getting a lawyer involved?


A question for you to extend on what Larry was also saying. When you or your friend spoke with their support, why wasn't this the question that was asked?
I have x Rollbit accounts created in the past that have in the meantime been limited. I used to bet $500 (for example) on sports, but with the limits you placed on my accounts, I can now only bet $10 max. Since Rollbit allows the creation of multiple accounts, am I allowed to create a new one so I can start betting $500 per match again?

[Lak93xy]

Extreme, unfair, unorthodox, morally wrong... call it whatever you want. TOSs are sadly there to catch you in the act of doing something you aren't supposed to do and protect the other side. That's why you shouldn't give them reasons to use any of their terms against you. Just because I am saying that, doesn't mean I like it. It's the reality.  

Its the reality, but as i said before theres no existing terms here to use against me. No court will ever ever rule in their favour. They are acting like that because im sure that most people will not seek help from a lawyer or something. But yea to answer your other question; Im gonna evaluate my options and see what my next steps are. AskGamblers is a good idea aswell, thank you. But of course i will also not shy away from getting a lawyer involved, because this is a pretty serious amount of money.

A question for you to extend on what Larry was also saying. When you or your friend spoke with their support, why wasn't this the question that was asked?
I have x Rollbit accounts created in the past that have in the meantime been limited. I used to bet $500 (for example) on sports, but with the limits you placed on my accounts, I can now only bet $10 max. Since Rollbit allows the creation of multiple accounts, am I allowed to create a new one so I can start betting $500 per match again?

I dont have a satisfying answer for you here. As ive said in my inital post, a lot of bettors probably raised some eyebrows when they saw that rollbit releases a sportsbook with those ToS.

In that moment i was happy that this option exists and just wanted to double down without waking a sleeping dog. So since my friend asked it in this way already, i didnt feel the need of going into more detail.

The problem here is, that i would have always respected them if they would have actually warned me as they claimed.


Another thing im wondering is, why no one asks them questions besides LoyceV.
Why do they claim they handed out warnings if this didnt happen?
Why are they not showing proof of those warnings?
Why are they showing all those things (blockchain history, account names etc.)  in the other guys thread but ignore mine since weeks?

You dont think thats shady behavior?