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November 15, 2022, 03:29:16 PM
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Are you guys aware that only 5% of futures traders are consistently earning money in the market? The 95% is traders like everyone else that keeps blowing their account and losing their money. People think that market analysis and intelligence can be the key to becoming part of the 5% of consistent winners but it is not the defining factor. Most traders think that their strategy is wrong without knowing that the determining factor is the winners think differently from everyone else. So, it means that psychology is the most essential thing if we want to become part of the 5% or the winners. There are 2 groups of traders, 1st is the consistent winners and 2nd is everyone else. We have options on what group should we belong to. These are the factors on how can we become consistent winners:

1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.

2.   Trading system – The trading system is considered the blueprint of your trading journey; all of your strategies and steps belong to the trading system. You can create your own system but you can also buy or learn from someone to lessen the curve of learning. There is a lot of trading system online and you choose a system that is you fit your preferences, habits, and lifestyle.


3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.

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November 15, 2022, 03:50:02 PM
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.

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November 15, 2022, 05:58:47 PM
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Risk management

Aside from phycological then i could say that people do really miss out this kind of thing where risk management is really indeed an important thing for people to consider or mind off whenever they do touch up
crypto space.This isnt somethingthat you could able to deal with if you dont set out proper preparations and actions should be made basing on the risk that you could able to put it out.
Plus this isnt only talking about on the risk but also this talks about on emotional aspects as well, with having this unpredictable and random market with those events and other fundamentals
then it could really stir up someones emotions so easily and this is where people do make out bad decisions and actions towards their trades and ending up on having not able to
follow to their plans because they've let themselves been affected on emotional aspect.

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November 15, 2022, 06:22:22 PM
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Loosing money in trading is normal and to become an Experience trader is a process, So you will definitely encounter series of failures in the process of trading, which later results to loses, Therefore to become a successful trader you need to know /learn why we have 95% of traders loose money and take those mistakes into account, work on it and take the correct, which are greediness , emotions, and the
Psychological aspect of trading etc.

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November 15, 2022, 07:26:10 PM
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Loosing money in trading is normal and to become an Experience trader is a process, So you will definitely encounter series of failures in the process of trading, which later results to loses, Therefore to become a successful trader you need to know /learn why we have 95% of traders loose money and take those mistakes into account, work on it and take the correct, which are greediness , emotions, and the
Psychological aspect of trading etc.
A trader who can learn from mistakes is the trader who can survive in the market. And if there is no mental strength to acquire enough knowledge of trading, the trader's account will be washed out again and again. Most traders go into futures trading to make a quick profit, and they are gambling rather than actually trading. And those who do futures trading with trading knowledge actually know how to manage risk and when to take entry and when to close position. Experienced traders also make losses but overall they keep a positive balance in their account.

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November 15, 2022, 09:43:55 PM
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.

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November 15, 2022, 10:12:51 PM
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Loosing money in trading is normal and to become an Experience trader is a process, So you will definitely encounter series of failures in the process of trading, which later results to loses, Therefore to become a successful trader you need to know /learn why we have 95% of traders loose money and take those mistakes into account, work on it and take the correct, which are greediness , emotions, and the
Psychological aspect of trading etc.
Traders knows that their is involvement of advantages and disadvantages in trading, so the process of losing funds via trading is already in the mindset of a trader, because it's obvious that a market is very risk and it leads you to the negative impact and as well lead's to positive due to your method of day trading, or your strategies of trading. So therefore i adhere to your contribution, because experience trader knows when to be in market and also knows how to man over a huge loss in trading irrespective the obstruction in the market.

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A well structured trading plan is expected of a trader who plans on managing their trading psychology. Trading generally be it futures or spot has high risk to reward ratio. Not even trading strategy nor risk management can limit the losses of future traders. A trading plan defines what the trader expects from every trade, it also magnifies strategies and clearly defines what risk management measure a future trader wishes to deploy.  Trading plan has been neglected by many traders, many who draft their plans don't bother referencing them before every trade. The factors that hinders traders from making consistent profit most times are not as ambiguous has it is painted to be most of the times it might be as a result of simple negligence to things that are meant to be priorities just like having a plan boldly crested where a trader will easily sight them before executing their trades..
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November 15, 2022, 10:24:58 PM
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.

Bots only help to do work that humans cannot do for 24 hours, this will indeed reduce the emotional level in trading because execution has been replaced by bots according to the settings we did at the beginning.
But don't rely completely on bots, because that's not good either.
In addition to risk management, financial management also needs to be considered because not all money is used for trading, there will be some reserves to deal with unwanted events.
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November 15, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
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Not just on the futures but also in the spot trading. It's a fact that only a few traders are really making their way for the profits that they share. While most traders, it's no longer a question and a secret that most of us are getting rekt by the market.
Trading is being hyped by the influencers because they only show their wins but if you ask them to show their losses, they're going to snub you and ignore you.

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November 15, 2022, 11:32:18 PM
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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.
The problem is here.
The higher leverage offers the more chances of losing your capital which means high risk.  It commonly can't sustain your losses.
So how can you manage risk in this, the percentage that OP has given was right, only 5-10% will gain profit using future trading and it could be a lucky decision of trading.

That's why I prefer holding and investing it in a long term or purchasing it in a DCA way which feels better.

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Futures trading is more of a gamble therefore don't expect that majority here is winning. It's the riskier version of spot trading.

Risk-management is something that we really can't control once you are in Future trading.

More importantly, just consider doing that if we are really prepared to face the risks and we know what we are actually doing.

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The people lose the most money in trading are those who start trading without considering anything while trading. Especially when doing futures trading you need to look at all aspects. One little mistake in futures trading will ruin all your money. Future trading should be done with a healthy mindset. Never cheat on a futures trading platform. Know about each indicator. And the most important thing is that you have to use stop loss system. Most people don't use stop loss which is why most people lose money.

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Actually, even without checking some real information and stats, it's clear that most future traders losing their money. That is because future trading is really hard to do. High risk, high reward therefore no easy money here. But if successful, a good profit in return.

Maybe just do it if we are really ready. Future trading is not a joke. If spot trading that's way more manageable is hard, what's more on doing future trades.
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@OP Where do you get this stats as reference to your data? Actually, Exchange is the only entity that I know that consistently wins on futures trading since even whales are sometimes caught by the price manipulation. I really believe that exchange is somehow the culprit for those huge wick that hitting stop losses or liquidation of open position since they are not completely regulated and the SEC is not auditing what shit they are doing inside. CZ and Binance is the best example which is why CZ don’t want to cooperate to become a fully regulated exchange.

Price behaviour on crypto is very unpredictable and no person nor bot can catch up on that price data to open an accurate position. Futures trading is purely a gambling with an extra difficulty from exchange that liquidates open position at random basis. Even with a good risk management will not stand on a manipulative market. I stop futures long time ago and just focus on spot trading and sometimes margin trading with lower lev.

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Curious by the title of the thread, what new things were conveyed by Op, but it turns out that these are common things that have been conveyed by many people in other threads, nothing new

3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.
Agree that traders must have risk management how much value they can afford to lose and this is definitely different for each trader, but why trade if the focus is how not to lose, all the purpose of trading is to make money and this makes no sense if you only think how not to lose.

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Loosing money in trading is normal and to become an Experience trader is a process, So you will definitely encounter series of failures in the process of trading, which later results to loses, Therefore to become a successful trader you need to know /learn why we have 95% of traders loose money and take those mistakes into account, work on it and take the correct, which are greediness , emotions, and the
Psychological aspect of trading etc.
You always learn with your mistakes and gain experience with it and if you seek advice from the successful traders they will also share their loss journey and how they manage to learn from it to avoid it in the future.Profit and loss are two side of one coin and you can't avoid them so the thing is how well you manage your loss and risk.In this bearish time all traders make loss out of their investments but it will be turn out how they survive in these conditions.

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You should start with normal traders who trade spot only. Most of them lose their capital too and I read some articles that it should be 80% or higher.

Before mentioning about risk of future trading, you should continue with Margin or Leverage trading that is risky. With Leverage trading, more than 90% of traders lose their capital and worse than Spot trading, they more easily lose 90% or all of their capital.

Future trading is more risky than Leverage trading and trading fees for Future trading is more expensive than Leverage trading.

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High risk get high return and likely why many people still trying with future trading, I don't think with many people loser with future trading quit exactly keep trying until earn much profit. Some people stopped with future trading based on their faith have the same working like gambling, but I think excited with future trading we can earn double profit with small fund in short time and difficult earn much profit with spot trading.
I don't think until 95% of future trader loss their money, but under 50% they can't controlling emotion and not use "stop loss" when have fault with analyze.

Right now the future trader have been smart and they waiting for coin pump drastically for short opening and have preparing with Stop Loss if suddenly price going up.

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Loosing money in trading is normal and to become an Experience trader is a process, So you will definitely encounter series of failures in the process of trading, which later results to loses, Therefore to become a successful trader you need to know /learn why we have 95% of traders loose money and take those mistakes into account, work on it and take the correct, which are greediness , emotions, and the
Psychological aspect of trading etc.
You always learn with your mistakes and gain experience with it and if you seek advice from the successful traders they will also share their loss journey and how they manage to learn from it to avoid it in the future.Profit and loss are two side of one coin and you can't avoid them so the thing is how well you manage your loss and risk.In this bearish time all traders make loss out of their investments but it will be turn out how they survive in these conditions.
As a trader whether you do make yourself involved with spot or futures then it would really be just normal that you should really make yourself learn.Some do really mind most of past experiences of others but there are
some who do really dive on directly and find for themselves on how this market behaves or works. You are the ones who would discover out on what are the realities of this market.
If you do experience lots of losses then its really that impossible for a certain individual not able to find out nor notice out with those mistakes and wont really be making adjustments.
It would really be just common sense on your part on doing so if you do really like to sustain out.

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Is there a person who consistently profits in futures trading? I used to think that the end result is profit, but the continuity of profit is something close to impossible, and 5% is considered very high.
What is the source of this data or the closest analysis to reality?
So the majority will lose their money even if you are experienced.

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Is there a person who consistently profits in futures trading? I used to think that the end result is profit, but the continuity of profit is something close to impossible, and 5% is considered very high.
What is the source of this data or the closest analysis to reality?
So the majority will lose their money even if you are experienced.
There is none, I can guarantee you that. I do not mean that the overall result wouldn't be a profit, there are people who make money from this on the long run, like let’s say they make 3000 profits then lose 2500 and then make 4000 profit and lose 3000.

Those type of people do exist, the overall results if you look at them yearly would be a profit, not a common thing and very rarely found because most people lose money obviously but the long term profitable ones do exist. But there are NO futures traders who make money consistently, they all profit some and lose some, there are none that profit all the time. That’s why you need to be ready for the loss while making a profit.

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Is there a person who consistently profits in futures trading? I used to think that the end result is profit, but the continuity of profit is something close to impossible, and 5% is considered very high.
What is the source of this data or the closest analysis to reality?
So the majority will lose their money even if you are experienced.

Yes there are traders like that, that's why I said that only 5% who are consistently making profit in futures. I met them personally so I saw their portfolio and their trading journal and their trading system. They have high win rate with good risk and reward ratio that makes them profitable. For me it what's impossible is a trader who never lose. There is no trader who consistently trade without incurring loses. Losing is part of the process to become a better trader, it's up to you on how will you handle it with risk management and trading psychology.

Is there a person who consistently profits in futures trading? I used to think that the end result is profit, but the continuity of profit is something close to impossible, and 5% is considered very high.
What is the source of this data or the closest analysis to reality?
So the majority will lose their money even if you are experienced.
There is none, I can guarantee you that. I do not mean that the overall result wouldn't be a profit, there are people who make money from this on the long run, like let’s say they make 3000 profits then lose 2500 and then make 4000 profit and lose 3000.

Those type of people do exist, the overall results if you look at them yearly would be a profit, not a common thing and very rarely found because most people lose money obviously but the long term profitable ones do exist. But there are NO futures traders who make money consistently, they all profit some and lose some, there are none that profit all the time. That’s why you need to be ready for the loss while making a profit.

I can't agree with you. There are people who consistently making money wherein, I can guarantee it but don't be confuse because those traders are also losing because like what I said; it is all about probabilities so incurring losses is normal in trading. The example that you gave is a trader who don't have good risk management because the trader giving back the profits to the market that he/she made.
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I have a doubt that there are such 5% of traders who consistently earn on futures. It is impossible to get 100% profit trades, so most likely we are talking about such traders who have a higher percentage of profit trades than unprofitable ones.

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I have a doubt that there are such 5% of traders who consistently earn on futures. It is impossible to get 100% profit trades, so most likely we are talking about such traders who have a higher percentage of profit trades than unprofitable ones.
That is the key factor here, I mean we are talking about just the people who have overall profit in the end, this means that when you look at like from 1st of January 2022 to December 31st of 2022, there must be at least 5% people who made a profit overall.

Do not look at the market going down and assume that everyone lost money, there are still a ton of places and people who made a profit from shorting the market and that means there are more than 5% people who made a profit. Doesn't mean that’s the whole market, most people did lose money and that’s understandable but that doesn't change the fact that no matter which direction we go, there are some people who make a profit.

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Are you guys aware that only 5% of futures traders are consistently earning money in the market? The 95% is traders like everyone else that keeps blowing their account and losing their money.
I'm not sure whether the percentage figures are appropriate or not, that big or not. But it is certain, not all traders are able to survive in future trading which does have a very high risk. In futures trading, we don't only have to have sufficient capital and basic knowledge, but more than that. We must have a good level of market and fundamental analysis, think broadly and logically, be able to pay attention and analyze each market condition more precisely and be able to make the most appropriate strategy when experiencing losses. Here, we are required to learn more and understand more, we cannot just rely on luck or coincidence. Because this is futures trading, not spot trading where we can still hold if the price drops rapidly at any time. Because of this, many futures traders eventually give up when the market is under certain conditions, some may continue when the market has improved slightly and some may stop considering the plus and minus sides.

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Those 5% might be getting profit accumulatively , yet they are in losing phase multiple time but do comeback with bigger amount as well so ... yeah the number looks too good for most of us as beside it was all about statistics ... we have experienced it too right? A personal experience become a witness.

Either the future trader have no sufficient bankroll to keep it back to green after a loss or it's just the game of math odds.

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I have a doubt that there are such 5% of traders who consistently earn on futures. It is impossible to get 100% profit trades, so most likely we are talking about such traders who have a higher percentage of profit trades than unprofitable ones.
That is most likely the point of the OP, those which are in the 5% of traders which earn money with futures trading could win just 60% of the time but with a solid money management strategy that can be more than enough to make good profits out of the markets, personally I am not surprised the percentage of winning traders is so low, as in most markets profits are concentrated in just a few hands while the rest of the market participants lose their money.
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I have a doubt that there are such 5% of traders who consistently earn on futures. It is impossible to get 100% profit trades, so most likely we are talking about such traders who have a higher percentage of profit trades than unprofitable ones.
That is most likely the point of the OP, those which are in the 5% of traders which earn money with futures trading could win just 60% of the time but with a solid money management strategy that can be more than enough to make good profits out of the markets, personally I am not surprised the percentage of winning traders is so low, as in most markets profits are concentrated in just a few hands while the rest of the market participants lose their money.

If a trader is taking 60% winning from the market that is good, such trader is doing good trading because that also means the trader is taking 60% profit from the market as well. 100% is the stand point and it is not always so that a student will score a 100% mark in an examination especially in analytical work. The traders that are losing is suppose to be higher no doubt so if we get a 5% doing a 60% profit this is very resourceful because the trader has covered the loses of 40%.
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We are humans and we get emotional very fast and this factor that makes us do bad decisions. In begining I had many trades that made Me really nervous and just stop the trades too early and got Into losses , then sudenly market just went Into full dump or pump that I had bought and just screamed in my head why I STOP the trade.
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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.


Risk management is one factor that should be greatly delt with in future trading because most of this traders you classified under the every other, avoid using the stop loss indicator because they always focus on how much will be lost when the trade hits the stop loss but rather believe that no matter how much the trade goes down, it will definitely move to their favour which makes them end up trading with emotions and blowing up accounts.

One other aspect that can't be over emphasized is the over leveraging most traders do just to maximize profit forgetting the high risk involved .

Psychology is one thing that one should deal with and always count every penny as a win rather than being greedy

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November 23, 2022, 10:41:51 PM
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.
Trading is not as easy as it is, and fighting your own emotions is one of the biggest struggles that a trader should learn to deal. However, with different tools available, we can lessen the stress in trading but we should also realize that if we aim for successful trading in the future, then we should be more confident traders and we should always do our best to learn trading on our own.

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There are many reasons that cam make one to lose money in trading which is cam be as a result of greed. Greed had make many traders to end up being a big losers. Not understanding the market very well is also another reasons why people loses money. There are some newbies that do not learn about the well in the right way, they just jump into the market with adequate understanding and started trading. This alone can make one become a bad trader and whatever is used in trading will always lead to loses. Eager to make bigger profits without strong understanding of the market can become a problem.

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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.

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Well, I'm not sure about the figure but I'm going to agree that many future traders suffered more losses than those who earn a profit. It is really sad to say that this is the real life of a future trader which is why I don't advise taking this option if we are beginners but rather start and familiar with how this trading works through spot trading.

My brother has tried this one(future trading Binance) but never heard from him saying he is in profit. He is very quiet and probably he got in troubled.

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Despite that some of my Facebook friends are getting insane profits in futures trading, consider themselves lucky. Spot trading is the safest bet when it comes to day trading as futures is more of a gamble. Even if you are setting a stop loss, it’s still a loss.

Expect more losses in futures trading as a newbie or beginner. But experienced ones aren’t exempted, especially some of my friends who are doing futures trading in Binance. They might show off their gains, but refusing to show their losses.

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Good tips OP. You seem to be part of the 5% since you are giving advice on how to earn and how not to blow our trade positions. However, I prefer proofs and actions rather than words. I rather want to see signals from successful traders and see how it performs rather than words. I always encounter people that say do this and do that, yet after some months I can hear that they aren't trading anymore. It is always easier said than done. Discounting market analysis and intelligence as not defining factors to earn is not true. We cannot have a good trading system and set up risk management without intelligence. Market analysis is necessary in order to strategize effective trading systems. Psychology in trading can only work when someone has the experience and is trading amounts that it can afford without emotional change.

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Despite that some of my Facebook friends are getting insane profits in futures trading, consider themselves lucky. Spot trading is the safest bet when it comes to day trading as futures is more of a gamble. Even if you are setting a stop loss, it’s still a loss.

Expect more losses in futures trading as a newbie or beginner. But experienced ones aren’t exempted, especially some of my friends who are doing futures trading in Binance. They might show off their gains, but refusing to show their losses.
Honestly future trading is like gambling to me and those category of traders who trade it have a mindset of marking or earning huge profits quickly and consequently might lead to rekting of account swiftly due to high volatility in the prices of cryptocurrencies, meanwhile some future traders do post fake profits earned from trading in a bid to deceive unsuspecting investors to subscribe to their signal channel, the last time I tried future trading I got a margin call within 30 minutes and thereafter my account got liquidated, since then I switched over to cross margin and do trade whenever a step up is  formed or  a signal is generated by my trading strategy.

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Despite that some of my Facebook friends are getting insane profits in futures trading, consider themselves lucky. Spot trading is the safest bet when it comes to day trading as futures is more of a gamble. Even if you are setting a stop loss, it’s still a loss.

Expect more losses in futures trading as a newbie or beginner. But experienced ones aren’t exempted, especially some of my friends who are doing futures trading in Binance. They might show off their gains, but refusing to show their losses.
I do agree that it’s just pure luck to a point when we are talking about futures trading. I mean if you are trading with high leverage that means you are risking way too much, sure the rewards would be huge as well if you are right but that doesn't mean that it would be a low risk neither.

You could end up losing all of your money with just a 0.1% drop if you are stretched too thin. This is why always be careful about what you are doing, it could end up with a bad return in the long run. I personally agree that spot trading is safer, it could give you as much as 10x return if you buy and hold the right coin and it is not going to be 100% gone most of the time.

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November 24, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.
So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading?
I don’t think its correct since we should know already what to do once you have learned how trading works and its good to have different strategies depends on the market situation. The only problem I see here is about consistency and commitment, many trader tends to change their mind easily and focused too much with their emotion. Many says traders are not winning in long term, but once you have established a good trading system probably you will be part of those 5% trader who are winning at all.

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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.
So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading?
I don’t think its correct since we should know already what to do once you have learned how trading works and its good to have different strategies depends on the market situation. The only problem I see here is about consistency and commitment, many trader tends to change their mind easily and focused too much with their emotion. Many says traders are not winning in long term, but once you have established a good trading system probably you will be part of those 5% trader who are winning at all.
Mistakes are learning curves an this is something inevitable to happen and with those mistakes and errors then this is where learning would be acquired.
It not im saying that we should tolerate mistakes but these are indeed things which would help you to be molded as a better trader/investor.

Dont know about that 95% of people do fail on futures but i do somewhat agree that on general sense where lots is really that losing money.
Only a few could able to pull off and make profits in short time.

Futures isnt something that a noob could easily touched on.

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So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading?
I don’t think its correct since we should know already what to do once you have learned how trading works and its good to have different strategies depends on the market situation. The only problem I see here is about consistency and commitment, many trader tends to change their mind easily and focused too much with their emotion. Many says traders are not winning in long term, but once you have established a good trading system probably you will be part of those 5% trader who are winning at all.
In fact it is true as you say because traders are not able to be consistent with their strategy due to market volatility.
After all, failing to control emotions is also a factor that causes many traders to fail to make good profits during trading. Panic is another reason, whereas if they are able to do something consistently then I'm sure they will too. But we could just say, out there they are a lot harder to take because they are the ones doing the trading.

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I have always seen people on YouTube and other platforms showing off what they have been able to own through trading.... But truth be told, trading is never easy but does put unnecessary pressure on the trader as this could leave one in revenge trading, no trading styles applied and bad risk management.

Spot trading is the safest bet when it comes to day trading as futures is more of a gamble. Even if you are setting a stop loss, it’s still a loss.
Trading is said to be some kind of gambling because we can't be 100% certain about what will happen in the future...and no its not the safest when risk is high.

Expect more losses in futures trading as a newbie or beginner. But experienced ones aren’t exempted, especially some of my friends who are doing futures trading in Binance. They might show off their gains, but refusing to show their losses.
This is something I need to venture in as my price action has really improved to give me the edge over the competition. And fyi I think futures trading is still young and people are still experimenting with it hence the losses.

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I have always seen people on YouTube and other platforms showing off what they have been able to own through trading.... But truth be told, trading is never easy but does put unnecessary pressure on themselves belive you can change

Spot trading is the safest bet when it comes to day trading as futures is more of a gamble. Even if you are setting a stop loss, it’s still a loss.
Trading is said to be some kind of gambling because we can't be 100% certain about what will happen in the future.

Expect more losses in futures trading as a newbie or beginner. But experienced ones aren’t exempted, especially some of my friends who are doing futures trading in Binance. They might show off their gains, but refusing to show their losses.
This is something I need to venture in as my price action has really improved to give me the edge over the competition.

most people who are showing their profits via social media channels are not showing the whole picture. they may be showing only their profits but the losses they are not reporting it. who knows, their losses are much bigger than their profits? so don't be naive about these tempting videos.
spot trading is also good for new traders. don't go in futures if you don't know what you're doing.

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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.
Considering the little trading experience I have, I believe risk management is one of the main reasons why most future traders consistently lose money. Since most of them are constantly seeking for higher profits, they always use high leverage when entering trades simply because doing so will increase their profits (the higher the leverage, the higher the profits), but they don't really about the risk, immediately the trade goes against them since they are using high laverage, they easily gets liquidated. when you are using low laverage, then you chances of losing money is less, but also your profits will be kind of small compared to if you use high laverage, but your chances of losing money will be less even if the trade goes against you.

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Though there is no source for this study but yes I believe it because market has become way way competitive than before. With digital era resources are becoming more prominent and tech behind every trade takes a footprint which needs to be analysed before anyone could move an inch in the system. One wrong move and one can end up in the bankruptcy. The factors like psychological and emotional is all about that greed which one takes up Once they loose.
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I hope the first thing needed is the fixed mentality, I think second you need to decide how you will determine the profit and loss share then you need to decide how to manage future trading. Because here most of the people make mistakes in management due to which they lose their money. The main problem here is that they do not have detailed experience in futures trading, they invest only for profit, I think if you have experience in trading so that futures trading is possible to make some profit.
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Are you guys aware that only 5% of futures traders are consistently earning money in the market? The 95% is traders like everyone else that keeps blowing their account and losing their money.
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Exactly. Trading is a difficult job to make money, it's like a PVP battle game (Player versus Player) which always has losers and winners.
If you want to be in 5%, there's a lot of work to do and experience to happen.
3 parts of what OP said are precisely exact, especially the risk management, why? Because most of the traders started to trade but later on, they stopped. It is because of the lack of capital anymore. Capital preservation is always part of risk management, so that's why having always the capital is always important, it's not always a good time to trade and you must have proper risk management to mange your capital properly on your every trade.

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The trading system is at failure if you are an emotional trader. Let us say that 95% are losing their trades but I think they still do their best, however, it was not enough to catch the momentum, and ended up losing their money. But despite this negative view of future trading, many were still trying to look for their luck there. And I have no gut to discourage them either but to let them do what they want so they will find themselves what this future trading is all about if compared to spot trading.

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I agree.

Trading is indeed a very complicated way of earning money, especially if your mindset is to get rich overnight, or get big profits in every trade, that will just pressure yourself that will lead to big disappointments every time you will make a bad trade. The next thing that will happen is that your mental and emotional health would be affected and sooner it will be the one who is going to dictate you on what to do next, that mostly are bad trades.

The next would be chasing you losses because your pride said so, you'll never grow because your pride said so, you won't get back your losses because you will keep making mistakes, and that is because of yourself telling that you don't need more knowledge in order to gain back your losses.
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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.
So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading? ..

No, you misunderstood what I wrote about. I wrote that the more you know trading strategies, the more difficult it is to make a decision, since according to some we have to open a short, and according to others a long. A beginner, knowing only one trading strategy, acts according to it.

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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.
So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading? ..

No, you misunderstood what I wrote about. I wrote that the more you know trading strategies, the more difficult it is to make a decision, since according to some we have to open a short, and according to others a long. A beginner, knowing only one trading strategy, acts according to it.

I am not a professional trader, but this is correct; however, while learning, you should observe all of the strategies that they use but do not imitate them. There are traders that want a lot of indicators in their charts, and others prefer the chart to be naked since that is their strategy. In the long run, if you already have a grasp on trading and have decided to create a demo account to try trading, that is the time you will formulate your own strategy and see if it is working or not; I am sure at first it will not be successful, but over time your strategy will have been tweaked and you will begin to earn profit from it. 
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The trading system is at failure if you are an emotional trader. Let us say that 95% are losing their trades but I think they still do their best, however, it was not enough to catch the momentum, and ended up losing their money. But despite this negative view of future trading, many were still trying to look for their luck there. And I have no gut to discourage them either but to let them do what they want so they will find themselves what this future trading is all about if compared to spot trading.
Everyone do their best to win with all trades that they do.

But being invested to your emotion is going to make you lose even more. That's not a good thing as a trader because you're going to overthink and that emotion you're feeling will make you want to be perfect with those trades that you do.

And you have to remember that no one's perfect even done with some strategies, it's just not enough and there will be days that you can't win against the market.

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The trading system is at failure if you are an emotional trader. Let us say that 95% are losing their trades but I think they still do their best, however, it was not enough to catch the momentum, and ended up losing their money. But despite this negative view of future trading, many were still trying to look for their luck there. And I have no gut to discourage them either but to let them do what they want so they will find themselves what this future trading is all about if compared to spot trading.
Everyone do their best to win with all trades that they do.

But being invested to your emotion is going to make you lose even more. That's not a good thing as a trader because you're going to overthink and that emotion you're feeling will make you want to be perfect with those trades that you do.

And you have to remember that no one's perfect even done with some strategies, it's just not enough and there will be days that you can't win against the market.
Emotions and lack of knowledge are the top reason why many traders still suffer from a big losses and I see that as a normal scenario for every trader. We can be good sometimes with our few trades but remember, this is a risky way of making money so we can’t guarantee any profit. Expect for the worst when you trade carelessly but if you do it properly with good strategy, then you can be more profitable. Being a trader is not an easy job, do your best always to find the best entry and don’t focus with your emotion.
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.
If you jump in trading without even gaining knowledge and insights at first, then you will surely struggle in trading and find it hard to fight with your emotions. So if you keep on trading along with your emotions, you will never be successful and profitable in the end. The hardest part in trading is to trade while controlling your own emotions, and for me even pros in trading still fall on this which makes it very hard to fight.

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these data do not seem to correspond to reality, I see many people making videos on youtube to teach people how to trade and these people, most of them are people who consider themselves gurus and specialists with many years of experience but are making videos on youtube and giving trading courses, which shows that even they are not making money with trading, the truth is that maybe not even 3% of people do not make constant profits when day trading whether futures or even normal trading, you can do it live on trade? do you know at least 5 people who can make a living from day trading? the truth is that I still haven't seen anyone who says they make a living from day trading, in this cryptocurrency market the only way to profit is by doing hodl in the long term

There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.
If you jump in trading without even gaining knowledge and insights at first, then you will surely struggle in trading and find it hard to fight with your emotions. So if you keep on trading along with your emotions, you will never be successful and profitable in the end. The hardest part in trading is to trade while controlling your own emotions, and for me even pros in trading still fall on this which makes it very hard to fight.

even if you study hard and for years, the truth is that no one can make a profit doing day trade and live on day trade, people lie and even create a telegram channel to give tips, they charge for these tips, others sell courses and others make money with youtube channel. why do you think people who have been day trading for years are giving courses and creating a telegram channel to charge money for the tips they give? if they were successful in the trade they wouldn't need it, it doesn't take a genius to realize that everyone doing day trades is losing money

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Price behaviour on crypto is very unpredictable and no person nor bot can catch up on that price data to open an accurate position. Futures trading is purely a gambling with an extra difficulty from exchange that liquidates open position at random basis. Even with a good risk management will not stand on a manipulative market. I stop futures long time ago and just focus on spot trading and sometimes margin trading with lower lev.

Since people already know this then why do traders think they can some how predict the price correctly and beat the system? Or like some member said above, continous practice will eventually make a trader perfect in the field when it is clearly untrue. If bot or nobody can catch up the price correctly then no strategy applied can completely zero the chances of losing money.

Future trading is high risk high reward kind of trade (if you are lucky) because the exchange will always have the upper hand since it was designed that way. You can manage your risk by not being greedy.

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Price behaviour on crypto is very unpredictable and no person nor bot can catch up on that price data to open an accurate position. Futures trading is purely a gambling with an extra difficulty from exchange that liquidates open position at random basis. Even with a good risk management will not stand on a manipulative market. I stop futures long time ago and just focus on spot trading and sometimes margin trading with lower lev.

Since people already know this then why do traders think they can some how predict the price correctly and beat the system? Or like some member said above, continous practice will eventually make a trader perfect in the field when it is clearly untrue. If bot or nobody can catch up the price correctly then no strategy applied can completely zero the chances of losing money.

Future trading is high risk high reward kind of trade (if you are lucky) because the exchange will always have the upper hand since it was designed that way. You can manage your risk by not being greedy.
To put it in simple terms some people despite knowing the very low chances they have of success they still decide to try their luck anyway, since they believe circumstances will turn favorable to them, one obvious example of this kind of thinking happens a lot with the people that want to become a movie star, the odds are probably 1 in 10000 or even worse than that, and yet that does not stop young people on their pursuit of fame and money.
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When a trader becomes more experienced and operates with many trading strategies, he becomes more uncertain when making a final decision, which eventually turns out to be wrong. At the same time, a beginner who is guided by one or two trading strategies has less doubts when making a decision and eventually gets a profit.
So the more we learn the more we make mistakes in trading? ..

No, you misunderstood what I wrote about. I wrote that the more you know trading strategies, the more difficult it is to make a decision, since according to some we have to open a short, and according to others a long. A beginner, knowing only one trading strategy, acts according to it.
That is the funniest thing about crypto and actually about most trading like stocks and forex and such as well. If you know more trading strategies, shouldn't they all confirm each other? Well very rarely they do, which usually means it is the right thing to do, but most of the time they show the opposite sides.

It means one is better than the other when that one is right, correct? Well, a week later the initially correct one becomes wrong and the other is right this time, so it is never the same strategy being correct neither. It is definitely a tough subject, and definitely causes a lot of question marks. Funny to me tbf because I just buy and hold, nothing questionable or complicated with mine.

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but remember, this is a risky way of making money so we can’t guarantee any profit. Expect for the worst when you trade carelessly but if you do it properly with good strategy, then you can be more profitable.


The best guarantee to keep your fund is when you use stop loss and this is good trading strategy to adopt. Using it allows you to cut your losses before you get into the market and if you do a good analysis, you land in profit taking.


Being a trader is not an easy job, do your best always to find the best entry and don’t focus with your emotion.


Having that best entry price or time requires alot of time so we need to be patient about that. Some traders who are hasty do not allow for proper time for the trade they want and when you enter wrongly you see it with the loses coming immediately and might roll you out if you don't close the trade
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Everyone do their best to win with all trades that they do.

But being invested to your emotion is going to make you lose even more. That's not a good thing as a trader because you're going to overthink and that emotion you're feeling will make you want to be perfect with those trades that you do.

And you have to remember that no one's perfect even done with some strategies, it's just not enough and there will be days that you can't win against the market.
Emotions and lack of knowledge are the top reason why many traders still suffer from a big losses and I see that as a normal scenario for every trader. We can be good sometimes with our few trades but remember, this is a risky way of making money so we can’t guarantee any profit. Expect for the worst when you trade carelessly but if you do it properly with good strategy, then you can be more profitable. Being a trader is not an easy job, do your best always to find the best entry and don’t focus with your emotion.
When you do something that you don't know of, you can't expect to be productive with it and that's why lack of knowledge is one of major reason.

Trading carelessly without any plans of learning from it is throwing money to the exchange and you expect nothing in return. But if you have plans of doing yourself a favor and you want to learn with the futures, you'll do something about it.

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Everyone do their best to win with all trades that they do.

But being invested to your emotion is going to make you lose even more. That's not a good thing as a trader because you're going to overthink and that emotion you're feeling will make you want to be perfect with those trades that you do.

And you have to remember that no one's perfect even done with some strategies, it's just not enough and there will be days that you can't win against the market.
Emotions and lack of knowledge are the top reason why many traders still suffer from a big losses and I see that as a normal scenario for every trader. We can be good sometimes with our few trades but remember, this is a risky way of making money so we can’t guarantee any profit. Expect for the worst when you trade carelessly but if you do it properly with good strategy, then you can be more profitable. Being a trader is not an easy job, do your best always to find the best entry and don’t focus with your emotion.
When you do something that you don't know of, you can't expect to be productive with it and that's why lack of knowledge is one of major reason.

Trading carelessly without any plans of learning from it is throwing money to the exchange and you expect nothing in return. But if you have plans of doing yourself a favor and you want to learn with the futures, you'll do something about it.
While this is true and we have examples of this almost every day in the forum when there is a bull market, this does not mean that it is easy to understand as it makes no sense, if a person tried to practice law without the necessary knowledge everyone would think that such a person is wasting their time, and in many cases committing a criminal offense, however when it comes to trading someone can try it without any idea of what they are doing and yet this is considered to be normal and even a profitable strategy.
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Is there a person who consistently profits in futures trading? I used to think that the end result is profit, but the continuity of profit is something close to impossible, and 5% is considered very high.
What is the source of this data or the closest analysis to reality?
So the majority will lose their money even if you are experienced.
There is none, I can guarantee you that. I do not mean that the overall result wouldn't be a profit, there are people who make money from this on the long run, like let’s say they make 3000 profits then lose 2500 and then make 4000 profit and lose 3000.

Those type of people do exist, the overall results if you look at them yearly would be a profit, not a common thing and very rarely found because most people lose money obviously but the long term profitable ones do exist. But there are NO futures traders who make money consistently, they all profit some and lose some, there are none that profit all the time. That’s why you need to be ready for the loss while making a profit.

Well, there is a lot of publicity that I have seen on social networks that always have the illusion that they always win, and they win with exorbitant percentages, something like taking a trade with a very large pump with 130%, something like that, so that for me already indicates which is all a lie, apart from when they say that you have to pay for membership, it is something that does not add up much, so being profitable in trading is something very difficult, I think those who achieve it would be very oppos and this also means that in bitcoin things can be done well, but those who do it well do not make this kind of offers, because they simply do not have the need to live from it but from trading.

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Everyone do their best to win with all trades that they do.

But being invested to your emotion is going to make you lose even more. That's not a good thing as a trader because you're going to overthink and that emotion you're feeling will make you want to be perfect with those trades that you do.

And you have to remember that no one's perfect even done with some strategies, it's just not enough and there will be days that you can't win against the market.
Emotions and lack of knowledge are the top reason why many traders still suffer from a big losses and I see that as a normal scenario for every trader. We can be good sometimes with our few trades but remember, this is a risky way of making money so we can’t guarantee any profit. Expect for the worst when you trade carelessly but if you do it properly with good strategy, then you can be more profitable. Being a trader is not an easy job, do your best always to find the best entry and don’t focus with your emotion.
When you do something that you don't know of, you can't expect to be productive with it and that's why lack of knowledge is one of major reason.

Trading carelessly without any plans of learning from it is throwing money to the exchange and you expect nothing in return. But if you have plans of doing yourself a favor and you want to learn with the futures, you'll do something about it.
While this is true and we have examples of this almost every day in the forum when there is a bull market, this does not mean that it is easy to understand as it makes no sense, if a person tried to practice law without the necessary knowledge everyone would think that such a person is wasting their time, and in many cases committing a criminal offense, however when it comes to trading someone can try it without any idea of what they are doing and yet this is considered to be normal and even a profitable strategy.
Learning about the futures needs commitment and determination since it's too broad and there will be confusing things that you need to understand. You have to be sure that you like doing it and that you are willing to face the risks. Futures is different from the basic trading that we know so we can't apply the basic stragies that we know about it. If we'll do it without complete knowledge, it's like we're fighting a battle without complete gear.
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Learning about the futures needs commitment and determination since it's too broad and there will be confusing things that you need to understand. You have to be sure that you like doing it and that you are willing to face the risks. Futures is different from the basic trading that we know so we can't apply the basic stragies that we know about it. If we'll do it without complete knowledge, it's like we're fighting a battle without complete gear.

Fighting without complete armor will result in injury and even death on the battlefield. Like Futures Trading which has a higher risk than spot trading or regular trading. Basic knowledge is indeed not enough for futures trading, it takes sufficient knowledge to be able to manage futures trading. Especially psychology is also a problem for all traders even though they are already professionals. Psychology is influenced by many factors, starting from poor risk management which will result in the strategy not working properly.
As you said, Futures trading requires commitment and determination to master it, so as not to lose everything. and what is also important is the use of leverage which must be wise, and adjusted to the circumstances and risks that can occur. Liquidation will obliterate everything.
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Fighting without complete armor will result in injury and even death on the battlefield. Like Futures Trading which has a higher risk than spot trading or regular trading. Basic knowledge is indeed not enough for futures trading, it takes sufficient knowledge to be able to manage futures trading. Especially psychology is also a problem for all traders even though they are already professionals. Psychology is influenced by many factors, starting from poor risk management which will result in the strategy not working properly.
As you said, Futures trading requires commitment and determination to master it, so as not to lose everything. and what is also important is the use of leverage which must be wise, and adjusted to the circumstances and risks that can occur. Liquidation will obliterate everything.
You've said something true about futures trading, but really one can never escape being greedy in trading. They may learn from their own experience, have emotional control and wise use of laverge, but things will not be as easy as we imagine and the practice will be very different.

I had to avoid futures trading because it's so hard to control my urges and emotions not to get greedy, so in the end I tended towards spot trading instead of futures trading so far. I can learn it, but I'd rather avoid something I don't understand properly.

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All your points are valid especially the risk management one is the key reason why many people lose money.
To eradicate this issue we must predefine a risk to reward ratio which coincides with our risk management strategy.
The most important aspect here is to make sure we don't get our funds liquidated in futures trading.
In exchanges like binance we have an option to keep our futures trades segregated so that if one of our trades is liquidated then it won't effect our overall balance.

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You've said something true about futures trading, but really one can never escape being greedy in trading. They may learn from their own experience, have emotional control and wise use of laverge, but things will not be as easy as we imagine and the practice will be very different.

I had to avoid futures trading because it's so hard to control my urges and emotions not to get greedy, so in the end I tended towards spot trading instead of futures trading so far. I can learn it, but I'd rather avoid something I don't understand properly.

Greed is a natural trait that humans have and the level of greed also differs from person to person. It is very difficult to regulate psychology if we are not used to it, greed will arise when we are faced with a choice that is a win-win.
I also even stay away from futures trading because the risks are indeed higher, but some people who are able to control futures trading, can take advantage of every movement to make a profit. Futures trading is not for beginners because the risks are greater and also psychological control will determine profits.
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Fighting without complete armor will result in injury and even death on the battlefield. Like Futures Trading which has a higher risk than spot trading or regular trading. Basic knowledge is indeed not enough for futures trading, it takes sufficient knowledge to be able to manage futures trading. Especially psychology is also a problem for all traders even though they are already professionals. Psychology is influenced by many factors, starting from poor risk management which will result in the strategy not working properly.
As you said, Futures trading requires commitment and determination to master it, so as not to lose everything. and what is also important is the use of leverage which must be wise, and adjusted to the circumstances and risks that can occur. Liquidation will obliterate everything.
You've said something true about futures trading, but really one can never escape being greedy in trading. They may learn from their own experience, have emotional control and wise use of laverge, but things will not be as easy as we imagine and the practice will be very different.

I had to avoid futures trading because it's so hard to control my urges and emotions not to get greedy, so in the end I tended towards spot trading instead of futures trading so far. I can learn it, but I'd rather avoid something I don't understand properly.
Having emotional control when trading and being in control of your greed is something that a successful trader should obtained. Even if the focus and determination is there, patience is there, but if you end up being greedy in all your trades, you will never be successful in all your future trades. Just learn not to live with your greed, but I guess it’s hardly impossible.

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You've said something true about futures trading, but really one can never escape being greedy in trading. They may learn from their own experience, have emotional control and wise use of laverge, but things will not be as easy as we imagine and the practice will be very different.

I had to avoid futures trading because it's so hard to control my urges and emotions not to get greedy, so in the end I tended towards spot trading instead of futures trading so far. I can learn it, but I'd rather avoid something I don't understand properly.

Greed is a natural trait that humans have and the level of greed also differs from person to person. It is very difficult to regulate psychology if we are not used to it, greed will arise when we are faced with a choice that is a win-win.
I also even stay away from futures trading because the risks are indeed higher, but some people who are able to control futures trading, can take advantage of every movement to make a profit. Futures trading is not for beginners because the risks are greater and also psychological control will determine profits.
Those traders who found themselves in a better position in trading will succeed whether it was futures trading or spot trading. Greediness can be found in everybody but I don't think that was really the problem in futures trading because what I see is that it is our decision-making. And if we talk about strategies, I think most of us are using the same but what it went wrong is how it was been implemented.

Whether it was futures trading or not, many traders will often lose rather than make a profit.

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Well in trading --risk management is very important because it manages your losses like doing stop-loss.
This high leverage on future trading will make traders out of control, it could be their emotions will become greedy seeing the market movement. The rapid fluctuations of futures prices and no one can tell the future price since it has fluctuated. On my own, I rather hold my coin in a long term than trust a custodial exchange in a long term, in that way, I have control of my fund and I have a right when I seel my coins.









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~snip~reediness can be found in everybody but I don't think that was really the problem in futures trading because what I see is that it is our decision-making. And if we talk about strategies, I think most of us are using the same but what it went wrong is how it was been implemented.


Keep in mind that decision-making depends on how a person's psychology. Wrong decision-making is usually influenced by unstable psychology, as well as greed which makes traders unable to be consistent with the main targets that have been achieved. About the strategy of every trader will not be the same, only a few indicators that they use are the same. Concerning capital management, risk management and others can be combined so that the strategies to be made are not the same.

Whether it was futures trading or not, many traders will often lose rather than make a profit.

Those who often lose money rather than gain are of course those who are beginners and don't understand. For professionals, the percentage of profits will be greater.
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That's the reality dear whatever you have mentioned I do agree and you have mentioned some of decent points too. I would say your post is informative and it might be more helpful to our upcoming and current future traders but bro no one can control the emotions and greed a strong emotion never underestimate this emotion because its the root of destruction in trading.

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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.
Considering the little trading experience I have, I believe risk management is one of the main reasons why most future traders consistently lose money. Since most of them are constantly seeking for higher profits, they always use high leverage when entering trades simply because doing so will increase their profits (the higher the leverage, the higher the profits), but they don't really about the risk, immediately the trade goes against them since they are using high laverage, they easily gets liquidated. when you are using low laverage, then you chances of losing money is less, but also your profits will be kind of small compared to if you use high laverage, but your chances of losing money will be less even if the trade goes against you.
That's true, that's why we have VAR in the 1st place. VAR means Value at Risk wherein it is the percentage of the your money that you can afford to lose. The ideal VAR for traders are usually 1%-2%, to make things clear. If you have $100,000 in your portfolio, then your VAR is 1%, it means that you will risk $1000 in a trade. In this case, you can preserve your capital and you cannot blowout your account through the use of VAR. I actually created a trading calculator in Excel that can compute my trading margin, VAR, and the leverage. Those people who keep losing are usually the traders who doesn't use or even aware to what is VAR.
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The biggest reason is "brave ignorance" and that is something greatly troublesome in every part of the world as well about any topic in the world. People who know absolutely nothing about a thing, ends up reading something on twitter or facebook or wherever and thinks that it's fact and true and starts talking about how true it is.

When in reality what they read there is false and not a fact and wrong, which causes them to have amazing courage and confidence on a factually wrong thing. This causes them to bother the public in other things, but on this it causes them to lose a lot of money, because they simply wanted to believe in a thing just to believe it.
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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.


Trading psychology is an important factor affecting trading. Don't be overly greedy when trading, control your emotions and take due risks, use failure as a learning process and gain experience from it.  Slowly accumulate more trading experience, there will always be a profitable day.

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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.


In trading, risk management is very important. Many traders are constantly seeking higher profits while ignoring the high risks involved. Don't pursue getting rich overnight, you must have proper risk management to stop losses in time and minimize losses as much as possible.



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The biggest reason is "brave ignorance" and that is something greatly troublesome in every part of the world as well about any topic in the world. People who know absolutely nothing about a thing, ends up reading something on twitter or facebook or wherever and thinks that it's fact and true and starts talking about how true it is.

When in reality what they read there is false and not a fact and wrong, which causes them to have amazing courage and confidence on a factually wrong thing. This causes them to bother the public in other things, but on this it causes them to lose a lot of money, because they simply wanted to believe in a thing just to believe it.
Many people believe that reading something on social media gives them an idea. Of course, yes but we should not just be reliant on it instead, we keep learning more and find another source of information. We never have to be confident of what we have learned online as it was more important to apply the learning we got in order to verify if it is true or false.
 - lack of knowledge and less experience are common reasons why traders lost their money

And they have to change the way they think about trading as this is not just simple as people think, it is risky and difficult to analyze.

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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.


In trading, risk management is very important. Many traders are constantly seeking higher profits while ignoring the high risks involved. Don't pursue getting rich overnight, you must have proper risk management to stop losses in time and minimize losses as much as possible.


Which mean we should be able to control our greed, our greed makes us can't choose correct decision when it comes to risk management. Even when we have our greed controlled we still can't guarantee our profit tho there are a lot of fundamentals we need before we enter futures trading since it really tempts us with its return or it's destroying us with its risk.


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Which mean we should be able to control our greed, our greed makes us can't choose correct decision when it comes to risk management. Even when we have our greed controlled we still can't guarantee our profit tho there are a lot of fundamentals we need before we enter futures trading since it really tempts us with its return or it's destroying us with its risk.

I believe greed is not only a problem for futures trading. it is a mistake for all traders. even investors and also gamblers also have the same problem.
Self-control is indeed very important in determining our choices. Apart from our analytical skills, other factors can make us enter into a loss.

but I believe, more futures traders lose money than succeed with big wins.
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Do i say they aren't yet prepared to trade on future because i believe that they only venture into it due to their friends are trading on future or possibly due to inflow of cash which they think could be generated from it. One thing they forget about is that before going into such decision of trading in future they should be ready to accept what may comes of it.

There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.

Do you think trading bots are 100 percent correct or right?
I think i have heard of trading bots on whatsapp group i do join then when someone was lamenting about using the bots they introduced to him without proper research about the bots.

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3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.

This is one aspect of trading that can't be over emphasized because of its importance. No matter how one might be in trading, without a proper risk management technique, such trader wouldn't definitely stay long in the market.
Just as OP stated that it's not about how much profit a trader makes but how much money we don't lose really touch a great spot in me and if I'm to explain, it simply means that, no matter how much money or profit you make, never run out of your trading capital.

Another area I want to contribute is the fact that, demo accounts shouldn't be related to a real money account.
This is because in my few months of trading, there is one thing I've noticed which is the fact that most newbie traders after practicing with a demo account for some time and feel they're good, then to jump into the market and when they start making loss in a row, start thinking their broker is bias and frustration starts creeping in.
So I will always advice people to take a better lesson on trading while making practice with demo accounts.

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Risk management and skills is the most important things specially in futures trading, wherein reason mostly fails and blown their money because they take all the risk on their own way not the real way of trading.
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One thing they forget about is that before going into such decision of trading in future they should be ready to accept what may comes of it.
This sounds more like you are talking about gambling. Newbie traders are not traders though if they do not follow the rules and strategies and if they are full of emotion without no risk management. What is most important in trading that newbie traders fails to understand is that risk management is very important, traders have to reduce their risk, looking for less profit rather than focusing on higher leverage.

Do you think trading bots are 100 percent correct or right?
There is nothing that is 100% correct in trading, only a strategy that bring patience and low risky trading is what is more correct. Even indicators can fail.

Risk management and skills is the most important things specially in futures trading, wherein reason mostly fails and blown their money because they take all the risk on their own way not the real way of trading.
Exactly, risk management is very important, but it is easily said than done.

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This sounds more like you are talking about gambling. Newbie traders are not traders though if they do not follow the rules and strategies and if they are full of emotion without no risk management. What is most important in trading that newbie traders fails to understand is that risk management is very important, traders have to reduce their risk, looking for less profit rather than focusing on higher leverage.
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They trade because they receive signals, entry price and exit price from a signal group. They don't know how to use Stop loss, Stop limit orders and over use leverages.

With serious lack of knowledge, experience and risk management, they will be very easily to panic sell by themselves or be liquidated forcefully by exchanges.

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December 11, 2022, 08:00:49 AM
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Most of newbies including traders and investors are gamblers.

Why are they gamblers but they think they are traders or investors? Because they spend money to invest or to trade without knowledge, without their own research.
Don't be in a hurry to come to a conclusion because it is very possible that what you think is actually not what is the fact.
Indeed, there are some traders or investors who are unable to do analysis or research before investing, but by having basic knowledge about trading and investing, they are also said to have something to strive for. Buy low and sell high is the foundation of successful trading and investing, especially if they are confident and willing to invest in bitcoin instead of altcoin.

My one thought on investing and trading, investors and traders just need to know how the market works and how they can make a profit. One fact is that if they want to be long-term holders then maybe a really detailed analysis is not really needed, especially if the asset of choice is bitcoin.

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December 11, 2022, 08:42:04 AM
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My one thought on investing and trading, investors and traders just need to know how the market works and how they can make a profit. One fact is that if they want to be long-term holders then maybe a really detailed analysis is not really needed, especially if the asset of choice is bitcoin.
for futures trading, it will be more complicated than you say. it may look like reading the direction the market is moving. but in reality, many futures traders experience losses. they don't do any research or pretend they know how to analyze the market. but actually, only predictions are used. isn't that the same as gambling?
I will not say all of them. most of the beginners who trade futures must be like that.



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December 11, 2022, 12:39:38 PM
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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.

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December 11, 2022, 03:16:33 PM
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One thing they forget about is that before going into such decision of trading in future they should be ready to accept what may comes of it.
This sounds more like you are talking about gambling. Newbie traders are not traders though if they do not follow the rules and strategies and if they are full of emotion without no risk management. What is most important in trading that newbie traders fails to understand is that risk management is very important, traders have to reduce their risk, looking for less profit rather than focusing on higher leverage.

Do you think trading bots are 100 percent correct or right?
There is nothing that is 100% correct in trading, only a strategy that bring patience and low risky trading is what is more correct. Even indicators can fail.

Risk management and skills is the most important things specially in futures trading, wherein reason mostly fails and blown their money because they take all the risk on their own way not the real way of trading.
Exactly, risk management is very important, but it is easily said than done.

Actually it most not be gambling before they could lose money, from my understanding trading is more or less of a gambling because one thing for sure is that you must lost money most especially future trading. Just of few days ago a friend of mine whom i know too well lost money and he claims to be too good with trading and yet i have been warning him not to trade, though he makes profits but the risk over it is more than his profits.

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One thing they forget about is that before going into such decision of trading in future they should be ready to accept what may comes of it.
This sounds more like you are talking about gambling. Newbie traders are not traders though if they do not follow the rules and strategies and if they are full of emotion without no risk management. What is most important in trading that newbie traders fails to understand is that risk management is very important, traders have to reduce their risk, looking for less profit rather than focusing on higher leverage.

Do you think trading bots are 100 percent correct or right?
There is nothing that is 100% correct in trading, only a strategy that bring patience and low risky trading is what is more correct. Even indicators can fail.

Risk management and skills is the most important things specially in futures trading, wherein reason mostly fails and blown their money because they take all the risk on their own way not the real way of trading.
Exactly, risk management is very important, but it is easily said than done.

Actually it most not be gambling before they could lose money, from my understanding trading is more or less of a gambling because one thing for sure is that you must lost money most especially future trading. Just of few days ago a friend of mine whom i know too well lost money and he claims to be too good with trading and yet i have been warning him not to trade, though he makes profits but the risk over it is more than his profits.
The risks in trading are manageable and bearable if we understand how the market moves and we're fully aware of how to deal with the volatility of cryptocurrency. Trading in futures is a challenging thing and it will surely be more like gambling if you aren't familiar with it. Honestly, it will take time for you to learn everything and for you to you fully understand it. If you're a beginner, you'll surely end up having big losses if you couldn't apply any effective strategy to succeed futures. It requires knowledge and a series of research.
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Risk management and skills is the most important things specially in futures trading, wherein reason mostly fails and blown their money because they take all the risk on their own way not the real way of trading.
Seriously I will be glad if you can explain more about the statement which you made above, what do you mean by people take all the risk on their own way and not the real way of trading? I don't know what you mean by risk in trading way.
The best guarantee to keep your fund is when you use stop loss and this is good trading strategy to adopt. Using it allows you to cut your losses before you get into the market and if you do a good analysis, you land in profit taking.
From what I think, I believe the first thing you should do as a trader is to make sure your analysis is correct. I have seen someone trading with stop loss before and he keeps on losing money, let's assume he enters a trade and he set his stop loss at - 10% of his capital immediately the stop lose as being triggered, he will enter another trade again and he will set stop loss at - 10% of his capital, the stop lose was triggered again, that was how he was losing his money gradually, am not saying stop lose is bad but we should always make sure we do our analysis well first. whenever am trading I don't really use stop loss but am always online to monitor my trade myself, I don't really believe in stop loss but I don't discourage people from using it.

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December 12, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
Sometimes trading is just a psychological and mental game for the most of part. It's including me that some of the crashes event in past years actually affect my mental and make my decision become worse and ended up in losses. But good thing is that every time I experience same thing again and you know what to do as the experience develops overtime for every trade and fails you make.

3.   Risk management – The reason why people blow their futures account in less than a year is that they have poor risk management. Always remember that it is not about how much money you make, but it is about how much money you don’t lose. Risk management helps us trader's accounts from losing all of our money. Through risk management, we can know if the trade is worth it or not.
This is like double-edged sword. It could give you big profit if done correctly but otherwise it's a trap for most people.

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From what I think, I believe the first thing you should do as a trader is to make sure your analysis is correct. I have seen someone trading with stop loss before and he keeps on losing money, let's assume he enters a trade and he set his stop loss at - 10% of his capital immediately the stop lose as being triggered, he will enter another trade again and he will set stop loss at - 10% of his capital, the stop lose was triggered again, that was how he was losing his money gradually, am not saying stop lose is bad but we should always make sure we do our analysis well first. whenever am trading I don't really use stop loss but am always online to monitor my trade myself, I don't really believe in stop loss but I don't discourage people from using it.
I think what he mean by taking risk on our own way is we go on our own and we don't follow what is commonly suggested. If we are a starter and have less experience then we shouldn't be hard headed but we must follow what the elders are saying because they already have an adequate experience on this market.

Analysis is essential in trading but I think this isn't the first thing that we should learn as a beginner. There are more important things than this. The reason why is because analysis can still fail no matter how sure you are. Stop loss on the other hand, is not a magical tool to help us prevent from losing but it can work like a charm as long as you already know how to use it the proper way.

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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
There are lots of types of traders but they do share up on the common target or signal which neither those breakouts and possible bear/bull traps which is something that you do really need to look upon.

Doesnt matter whether you are a swing,breakout or typical support and resistance type then it would do, as long you would really be making out profits then thats what matter the most.

It just really turns out that people do really love to touch up with those 50-120x leverage which is something i do consider to be already a gamble.
I cant just take up that certain risk even how rewarding it would be.

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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.

This strategy is very profitable but takes time though doesn't not a lot of screen time as you are waiting for breakout. I usually trade with the trend (as always follow the trend and don't counter it) as my strategy really works in this kind of market but when the market is on sideways usually I don't trade as I am losing that time. I am still learning to trade to improve my strategy so that we could gain more profit or can find decent strategy.
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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
Am not a trader at all but a Hodler , I want a secure and safe investment and I find this in Holding , for couple of years I successfully managed to earn from this so I wont have to try others.
best to not use BTC for trading because this is a hard to bounce coin short term.
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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
Am not a trader at all but a Hodler , I want a secure and safe investment and I find this in Holding , for couple of years I successfully managed to earn from this so I wont have to try others.
best to not use BTC for trading because this is a hard to bounce coin short term.

I am also a holder because I don't have too much time to trade and feel I am not fit to trade, they pressure me to the point where I lose more than win in trades. Holding or trading can be profitable and it is important that we choose which one is right for us to achieve the best results. Neither is better than the other, but choose the one that works best for you. In my opinion, trades in bitcoin are more secure than altcoins.

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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
Am not a trader at all but a Hodler , I want a secure and safe investment and I find this in Holding , for couple of years I successfully managed to earn from this so I wont have to try others.
best to not use BTC for trading because this is a hard to bounce coin short term.

I am also a holder because I don't have too much time to trade and feel I am not fit to trade, they pressure me to the point where I lose more than win in trades. Holding or trading can be profitable and it is important that we choose which one is right for us to achieve the best results. Neither is better than the other, but choose the one that works best for you. In my opinion, trades in bitcoin are more secure than altcoins.
When you do find yourself not really that good nor effective on trading then you would really be opting in holding instead and wont tend to grasp or deal with the risk on dealing with those volatile movements which it is really just that wise and sensible act to be done by someone.Although there are some who cant just take up the risk and not able to try out on doing trading but instead
they do wait up for long term.It isnt really bad since we know the potential of Bitcoin when it comes to its future prices.It is really just that not an assure thing to happen
this is why risk management is really that important on touching or dealing up with these things.

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The risks in trading are manageable and bearable if we understand how the market moves and we're fully aware of how to deal with the volatility of cryptocurrency. Trading in futures is a challenging thing and it will surely be more like gambling if you aren't familiar with it. Honestly, it will take time for you to learn everything and for you to you fully understand it. If you're a beginner, you'll surely end up having big losses if you couldn't apply any effective strategy to succeed futures. It requires knowledge and a series of research.
The majority of those losing their money with futures were not ready for it, one thing I find surprising when it comes to the markets is that somehow traders expect to become proficient at it in a matter of weeks and this is not possible.

Becoming a good trader is a long process in which a series of steps needs to be taken, and if you try to skip those steps then your trading skill will not be as high as it should be and it will be incomplete as well, so when you face adverse market conditions you will make several mistakes which will cost you a lot of money, and those huge mistakes are the ones that end up destroying your account and your capital.

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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
Am not a trader at all but a Hodler , I want a secure and safe investment and I find this in Holding , for couple of years I successfully managed to earn from this so I wont have to try others.
best to not use BTC for trading because this is a hard to bounce coin short term.

I am also a holder because I don't have too much time to trade and feel I am not fit to trade, they pressure me to the point where I lose more than win in trades. Holding or trading can be profitable and it is important that we choose which one is right for us to achieve the best results. Neither is better than the other, but choose the one that works best for you. In my opinion, trades in bitcoin are more secure than altcoins.
It's true that the key is to choose the most suitable for ourselves and sometimes for some people they don't know either.
safer does not mean there is no risk and indeed with Bitcoin trading at least the risk is not as big as altcoins,
however top altcoins like Ethereum and BNB are also good

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The majority of those losing their money with futures were not ready for it, one thing I find surprising when it comes to the markets is that somehow traders expect to become proficient at it in a matter of weeks and this is not possible.
That will happen to a trader that underestimates the market volatility. They are supposed to be ready enough to handle stress to believe that Futures Trading isn't just easy as they think. Otherwise, they will just fail and broke.
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Becoming a good trader is a long process in which a series of steps needs to be taken, and if you try to skip those steps then your trading skill will not be as high as it should be and it will be incomplete as well, so when you face adverse market conditions you will make several mistakes which will cost you a lot of money, and those huge mistakes are the ones that end up destroying your account and your capital.
That certainly takes several months. Though we don't need perfection at least we have deep knowledge about trading and more experience as this is a huge factor in how to make a profit from trading. In fact, as we can see that real traders keep on trading despite the situation as they can manage how to handle difficult situations like during bear season and still make some money.



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Most people that call themselves traders are not what they claimed to be. Some I guess were not properly groomed well in the process, some did not rey have the knowledge of how it works, no demo, no practice. They just finished watching maybe a YouTube channel attributed to forex trading and after that they delve into spot trading saying they have the knowledge of what they are doing and at the entire end blowing up their account. I  only pity people who have no idea about these people and are desperate to make money. At the entire end they get into the wrong hands and their investment ends up being blown by the self acclaimed traders.

This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.

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This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.


Forex trading companies are the set of acclaimed traders that have bastardised the forex trading market and made people think of it as perhaps scam. They give so much hope to people and collect their money to trade for them, promising 100% profit daily, weekly and monthly and this is never possible. These people can't trade but only gamble with the money, initially they could be gambling correctly when the market is not volatile but on a volatile season they begin crashing down. It is better to allow people to do their trading by themselves, make their mistakes and learn from it and by that they understand that trading Forex market is real but not easy so they decide to stay or disappear from the market after burning out their finances different times. Grin Grin
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Most people that call themselves traders are not what they claimed to be. Some I guess were not properly groomed well in the process, some did not rey have the knowledge of how it works, no demo, no practice. They just finished watching maybe a YouTube channel attributed to forex trading and after that they delve into spot trading saying they have the knowledge of what they are doing and at the entire end blowing up their account. I  only pity people who have no idea about these people and are desperate to make money. At the entire end they get into the wrong hands and their investment ends up being blown by the self acclaimed traders.

This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.

Some people called themselves already a trader because they execute a trader but not just only this because being called as a trader is like a huge name but in the wider perspective being a trader is really big investment of knowledge and skills to make sure you can make a proper execution of the trade with this knowledge, skills and experience can come up with the proper profit and execution of trades that's why being a trader is a hard thing that's why only few people stay with it because they know already the essentials and some of them too are not going with it because they lose a lot of money than they have.

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Most people that call themselves traders are not what they claimed to be. Some I guess were not properly groomed well in the process, some did not rey have the knowledge of how it works, no demo, no practice. They just finished watching maybe a YouTube channel attributed to forex trading and after that they delve into spot trading saying they have the knowledge of what they are doing and at the entire end blowing up their account. I  only pity people who have no idea about these people and are desperate to make money. At the entire end they get into the wrong hands and their investment ends up being blown by the self acclaimed traders.

This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.

Some people called themselves already a trader because they execute a trader but not just only this because being called as a trader is like a huge name but in the wider perspective being a trader is really big investment of knowledge and skills to make sure you can make a proper execution of the trade with this knowledge, skills and experience can come up with the proper profit and execution of trades that's why being a trader is a hard thing that's why only few people stay with it because they know already the essentials and some of them too are not going with it because they lose a lot of money than they have.

Yes, this is true, They are calling themselves a trader even if they did it for only a week. I would say that future trader is losing their money since they are executing their trade without a proper plan and are emotionally triggered if they lose a position. 
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Most people that call themselves traders are not what they claimed to be. Some I guess were not properly groomed well in the process, some did not rey have the knowledge of how it works, no demo, no practice. They just finished watching maybe a YouTube channel attributed to forex trading and after that they delve into spot trading saying they have the knowledge of what they are doing and at the entire end blowing up their account. I  only pity people who have no idea about these people and are desperate to make money. At the entire end they get into the wrong hands and their investment ends up being blown by the self acclaimed traders.

This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.

Some people called themselves already a trader because they execute a trader but not just only this because being called as a trader is like a huge name but in the wider perspective being a trader is really big investment of knowledge and skills to make sure you can make a proper execution of the trade with this knowledge, skills and experience can come up with the proper profit and execution of trades that's why being a trader is a hard thing that's why only few people stay with it because they know already the essentials and some of them too are not going with it because they lose a lot of money than they have.

Yes, this is true, They are calling themselves a trader even if they did it for only a week. I would say that future trader is losing their money since they are executing their trade without a proper plan and are emotionally triggered if they lose a position.  

Most of them actually don't know what they are getting into. Should just stick to spot trading because the risk in futures is very high.
A lot of new crypto traders I believe are going into futures because of the idea that they will get rich fast with this venture.
However, they will soon find out that futures can easily rekt their funds in no time. You have a lot of things to consider in this type of trading.
Much better if you are using your extra extra funds. So it is not hard in your pocket. Some are using borrowed money, which is not an advisable thing to do.
Spot trader needs a lot of experience and skills before they will see good profits, how much more if you venture in futures?
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December 17, 2022, 10:01:47 PM
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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.

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December 17, 2022, 10:39:56 PM
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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in.
We cannot deny that Futures trading really plays with very high feelings, emotions and stress. It is because of this that future trading becomes very risky, the loss or profit is very thin, but you can lose or earn a lot. In this case, when a person is not ready and unable to manage their psychology, their emotions, and also their stress level, then this will greatly affect the decisions they make. Panic will drive a futures trader to make wrong decisions at crucial times, such as panic selling or panic buying. Even in future trading, this is very risky to happen which will result in failure.

Trading system – The trading system is considered the blueprint of your trading journey
There are some different ways and strategies of trading systems. A trader may have a different trading systems and strategies from others. But sometimes, many people are only following another trading strategy by not understanding what happened to them actually, without understanding their own ability to deal with the trading strategy. So, although the ways and strategy are the same, the result may be different or vice versa. And in this case, again, some lost people will blame others.

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December 18, 2022, 01:06:27 AM
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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.

When we say trading for those people that are new to it will say that you can earn big from it and you can easily do it . That is most of my coworker first impression when i say trading in which it isn't true. If your mindset in trading is only getting money from market then you'll be having difficulty to earn from it. You should think really first about learning and understanding it as you need first to connect with the market before you can trade and earn profit
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When we say trading for those people that are new to it will say that you can earn big from it and you can easily do it . That is most of my coworker first impression when i say trading in which it isn't true. If your mindset in trading is only getting money from market then you'll be having difficulty to earn from it. You should think really first about learning and understanding it as you need first to connect with the market before you can trade and earn profit
Trading futures is one of the complicated stuff in the crypto market, however it's considered as the crude oil of trading with crypto. There are two major trades in crypto, we have the spot trading and the future trading. It's complex to trade with futures as there are basis that it comprises of other than spot trading. 95% of traders tend to loss all their profits to the market due to greed. The market is critical to understand and a trader learns everyday, new things are discover in the market.

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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.

When we say trading for those people that are new to it will say that you can earn big from it and you can easily do it . That is most of my coworker first impression when i say trading in which it isn't true. If your mindset in trading is only getting money from market then you'll be having difficulty to earn from it. You should think really first about learning and understanding it as you need first to connect with the market before you can trade and earn profit
It is true that all these ideas remain within those new traders who have made some profits for a short period of time. But in my opinion trading or future trading whatever you say is not that easy there is many things you have to learn before starting trading professional technical analysis,. Chart reading etc. But now I have seen many people who were coming into trading from the greedyness without any knowledge about trading and losing fund. I think this is one of the main cause or using money.


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It is true that all these ideas remain within those new traders who have made some profits for a short period of time. But in my opinion trading or future trading whatever you say is not that easy there is many things you have to learn before starting trading professional technical analysis,. Chart reading etc. But now I have seen many people who were coming into trading from the greedyness without any knowledge about trading and losing fund. I think this is one of the main cause or using money.
Yes it is true what you mentioned here because I see there are many people who are facing loss in trading for this.  However, I will mention another reason that stands up to the Knowable Trader also and that is not following the strategy or breaking the strategy out of greed, many times it has been seen that the entire fund has disappeared while waiting for just a few dollars more profit in futures trading.
I would call this part of OP's psychological statement because here we cannot control our emotions.  Future trading is very risky unknowingly and knowingly people are making mistakes here so I would say following the OP's mentioned statements can be of some benefit if you want to do future trading.

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It is true that all these ideas remain within those new traders who have made some profits for a short period of time. But in my opinion trading or future trading whatever you say is not that easy there is many things you have to learn before starting trading professional technical analysis,. Chart reading etc. But now I have seen many people who were coming into trading from the greedyness without any knowledge about trading and losing fund. I think this is one of the main cause or using money.
Yes it is true what you mentioned here because I see there are many people who are facing loss in trading for this.  However, I will mention another reason that stands up to the Knowable Trader also and that is not following the strategy or breaking the strategy out of greed, many times it has been seen that the entire fund has disappeared while waiting for just a few dollars more profit in futures trading.
I would call this part of OP's psychological statement because here we cannot control our emotions.  Future trading is very risky unknowingly and knowingly people are making mistakes here so I would say following the OP's mentioned statements can be of some benefit if you want to do future trading.
I saw massive losses from a future trading stream before because of the greed of the trader. Because of that extra dollar, they are breaking their plan which is fundamentally wrong especially on futures trading where you can be liquidated anytime. I believe that it is very important to follow the plan we have on futures trading given that it is the major guide of the trader when and where would he position himself but yeah sometimes the greed trashes the traders plans. Futures trading is very risky and I learned it the hard way by losing money on it multiple times, Actually I have more losses than gain in my futures trading account. This is why I don't recommend it to newbies or other traders. Spot trading all the way!
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It is true that all these ideas remain within those new traders who have made some profits for a short period of time. But in my opinion trading or future trading whatever you say is not that easy there is many things you have to learn before starting trading professional technical analysis,. Chart reading etc. But now I have seen many people who were coming into trading from the greedyness without any knowledge about trading and losing fund. I think this is one of the main cause or using money.
Huge profit earn trough future trading make new trader interested try it and not understand yet about liquidity and margin used and leverage, new trader viewed only with how much profit earn with future trading and they not really understand yet about future trading work.
Some trader in future seems greedy and not enough with how much profit earn until get floating and their out predicting until get notification with margin call and liquid coming. Not good ideas for new trader try first with future trading regarding have lack knowledge how to analyze and know all detail with future trading working.

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Well, this statistic is the most real thing that can be done in the Crypto market, it is very difficult to be one of the most profitable when a crypto market, because eventually the people who enter thinking that they will become rich by scalping are usually in for a big surprise, some They lose so much money that they no longer want to trade, or do technical analysis, or follow groups of premium signals or something, if this were real then the statistics would be very different, at least they would give the percentage of 95 a good value. % and I think that sometimes the percentage of losers can be more.

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It is true that all these ideas remain within those new traders who have made some profits for a short period of time. But in my opinion trading or future trading whatever you say is not that easy there is many things you have to learn before starting trading professional technical analysis,. Chart reading etc. But now I have seen many people who were coming into trading from the greedyness without any knowledge about trading and losing fund. I think this is one of the main cause or using money.
However, I will mention another reason that stands up to the Knowable Trader also and that is not following the strategy or breaking the strategy out of greed, many times it has been seen that the entire fund has disappeared while waiting for just a few dollars more profit in futures trading.
I would call this part of OP's psychological statement because here we cannot control our emotions.  Future trading is very risky unknowingly and knowingly people are making mistakes here so I would say following the OP's mentioned statements can be of some benefit if you want to do future trading.
It is said that trading business is a playground where one has to play with intelligence, prudence, experience and patience etc. And when it comes to futures trading, it is naturally necessary to acquire proper knowledge on all the mentioned topics. One of the most common mistakes for future trader is lack of proper knowledge. A futures trader should have a good idea of his trading leverage and his tradable balance. He should also have adequate knowledge about the asset he is looking to trade. Moreover, the market trend is also an important factor. A futures trader must focus on a specific asset. A focus on multi-currency must be abandoned. It is very important to analyze everything patiently before taking any trade. Most traders unknowingly go into futures trading without doing any research, which often leads to liquidation of assets.

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Most people that call themselves traders are not what they claimed to be. Some I guess were not properly groomed well in the process, some did not rey have the knowledge of how it works, no demo, no practice. They just finished watching maybe a YouTube channel attributed to forex trading and after that they delve into spot trading saying they have the knowledge of what they are doing and at the entire end blowing up their account. I  only pity people who have no idea about these people and are desperate to make money. At the entire end they get into the wrong hands and their investment ends up being blown by the self acclaimed traders.

This is the same issue with some so called forex trading company. They have blown lots of account and investors funds all in the name of trading to make profit when they know they are not good at their claims.

Some people called themselves already a trader because they execute a trader but not just only this because being called as a trader is like a huge name but in the wider perspective being a trader is really big investment of knowledge and skills to make sure you can make a proper execution of the trade with this knowledge, skills and experience can come up with the proper profit and execution of trades that's why being a trader is a hard thing that's why only few people stay with it because they know already the essentials and some of them too are not going with it because they lose a lot of money than they have.

Yes, this is true, They are calling themselves a trader even if they did it for only a week. I would say that future trader is losing their money since they are executing their trade without a proper plan and are emotionally triggered if they lose a position.  

you cannot be a trader if did not spend too much time for this area because Trading needs skills , time and effort and of course Knowledge that is very important in this part.
I must admit that for how many times that I tried to trade but losing is what I got so maybe better to understand this strongly before dealing with more money .









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you cannot be a trader if did not spend too much time for this area because Trading needs skills , time and effort and of course Knowledge that is very important in this part.
I must admit that for how many times that I tried to trade but losing is what I got so maybe better to understand this strongly before dealing with more money .

This is the real factor for a trader to understand. If you jump into trading then you will also jump out of it. It is better learning the rudiment of trading than going in like that as novice. Trading is like farming, with farming you have to be ready with your hoes and cutlass likewise in trading, you have to know how to use your indicators and how to do a proper analysis of them.
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you cannot be a trader if did not spend too much time for this area because Trading needs skills , time and effort and of course Knowledge that is very important in this part.
I must admit that for how many times that I tried to trade but losing is what I got so maybe better to understand this strongly before dealing with more money .

This is the real factor for a trader to understand. If you jump into trading then you will also jump

The courage to risks and embrace that the money you put into futures trading is considered a loss can be hard for someone. If I am just trading on EUR/USD, I can sure be able to limit the amount and consider them loss for like $500 and I play it all. But with BTC/USDT, I'm up to seeing that 0.03 BTC may be worth $500 even if I hold or trade on the spot market.

Only 5% are successful futures trade. They must be really good though.


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Future trading is like a casino. A lot of traders have to lose so that a few can win. Anyone who trades based on news, is just a speculator. As a future trader, are trading against sharks and intelligent computers. You lose money when you do not set a target or have a strategy in place. And note that this strategy should be more than just buying low, and selling high. One other thing is that traders need to deal with greed and fear factor first to keep them from losing money.

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It is because trading is a zero sum game. Exchanges are like casinos and currency spread is the house edge. As long as no new money enters to the crypto space, people will try to win against each other. Exchanges will be the winners no matter what other people do because of currency spread.

Traders need to be patient and have a clear mind. Remember the quote: "Bears make money, bulls make money, pigs get slaughtered."

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  Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.

If this above statement is proven true then I guess crypto trading is no different from gambling.
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A trader who intends to control their trading psyche is expected to have a well-structured trading plan. Trading often has a high risk to reward ratio, whether it be with futures or spot. Future traders' losses cannot be controlled by any risk management or trading plan. A trading strategy outlines the trader's expectations for each deal, highlights strategies, and expressly states the risk management strategies that the trader intends to use in the future. Many traders have forgotten their trading plans; even those who do make them don't care to refer to them before each trade. Most of the time, the reasons that prevent traders from producing a steady profit are not as complicated as they are made out to be; instead, they frequently stem from basic elements.
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Hi guys, I am a breakout trader. I only trade if theres a breakout or breakdown of a certain coin in a trendline. Can you share what type of future trader you are? I am currently trading $ADA and $BTC. I am not an expert but still learning.
Am not a trader at all but a Hodler , I want a secure and safe investment and I find this in Holding , for couple of years I successfully managed to earn from this so I wont have to try others.
best to not use BTC for trading because this is a hard to bounce coin short term.

I am also a holder because I don't have too much time to trade and feel I am not fit to trade, they pressure me to the point where I lose more than win in trades. Holding or trading can be profitable and it is important that we choose which one is right for us to achieve the best results. Neither is better than the other, but choose the one that works best for you. In my opinion, trades in bitcoin are more secure than altcoins.
Well, I think that the meaning of everything is that when Bitcoin goes up, all the altcoins do, and here at that very moment is when it is good to buy the altocins, because if bitcoin remains in a bullish trend, the altcoins go up like foam, I think that at that moment the people who see the movement will stop belonging to that 95% of losers, what happens I know that the crypto market is quite hard, it has many traps and has many things that you have to know how to read, you don't have a consolidated volume, which makes its analysis more difficult, these are the things that should be seen before operating.

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It's brutal for most people, I think outcasts tend to cope better. I remember watching a reality show called "Million Dollar Traders" - it should be on YouTube, it took regular joes and taught them the basics of stock trading and held a contest to see who could make the most - long story short over half of them had a mental breakdown and quit before it ended.

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It's brutal for most people, I think outcasts tend to cope better. I remember watching a reality show called "Million Dollar Traders" - it should be on YouTube, it took regular joes and taught them the basics of stock trading and held a contest to see who could make the most - long story short over half of them had a mental breakdown and quit before it ended.
There might be things which had been introduced by someone and it do looks interesting since it do really involves huge money or possible income but on the time that you do make out such engagement
then it isnt something that simple you could able to bare or deal with and this is why you should really be sensible on making yourself that able to adjust basing up on the situation.
If you arent really that versatile when it comes to those unexpected and sudden changes of those scenarios or conditions then you would be finding yourself to be that impulsive
or something that you wont really be that to make out some good decisions just because you are already panicking.

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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.
Remember that losing is still a part of trading, so even if traders tend to be more knowledgeable and skilled, there are still unavoidable losses that are hard to resist. What makes more difference in trading is that traders should have the right mindset, why they are in trading and what will make them survive in trading despite of their imperfections as traders.

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January 02, 2023, 10:41:00 PM
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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.
Remember that losing is still a part of trading, so even if traders tend to be more knowledgeable and skilled, there are still unavoidable losses that are hard to resist. What makes more difference in trading is that traders should have the right mindset, why they are in trading and what will make them survive in trading despite of their imperfections as traders.

That's right because even experience people miscalculate things which cause them for losing and there's no total assurance of getting profit with it that's why for newbies they should not believe that someone is earning a passive income with it since trading is somehow gives unexpected scenarios which can cause a lot to everyone.  Maybe the least we can do is to avoid losing big and how to discipline ourselves to not getting more greedy to want more if we are already winning.

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January 04, 2023, 06:02:57 AM
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you cannot be a trader if did not spend too much time for this area because Trading needs skills , time and effort and of course Knowledge that is very important in this part.
I must admit that for how many times that I tried to trade but losing is what I got so maybe better to understand this strongly before dealing with more money .

This is the real factor for a trader to understand. If you jump into trading then you will also jump out of it. It is better learning the rudiment of trading than going in like that as novice. Trading is like farming, with farming you have to be ready with your hoes and cutlass likewise in trading, you have to know how to use your indicators and how to do a proper analysis of them.
The hardest part of investing is that understanding that you will lose insignificantly if you don't pay attention to the investment place meaning if you don't have that knowledge then you will surely lose everything from your funds.
this is how many of people here crying for years because they tend to blame the market when the true stupid is them seeking for profit in something they don't fully understand .
It's brutal for most people, I think outcasts tend to cope better. I remember watching a reality show called "Million Dollar Traders" - it should be on YouTube, it took regular joes and taught them the basics of stock trading and held a contest to see who could make the most - long story short over half of them had a mental breakdown and quit before it ended.
Have watched this as well and indeed that Trading isn't that easy to understand specially for average people .









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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.
Remember that losing is still a part of trading, so even if traders tend to be more knowledgeable and skilled, there are still unavoidable losses that are hard to resist. What makes more difference in trading is that traders should have the right mindset, why they are in trading and what will make them survive in trading despite of their imperfections as traders.

That's right because even experience people miscalculate things which cause them for losing and there's no total assurance of getting profit with it that's why for newbies they should not believe that someone is earning a passive income with it since trading is somehow gives unexpected scenarios which can cause a lot to everyone.  Maybe the least we can do is to avoid losing big and how to discipline ourselves to not getting more greedy to want more if we are already winning.
When you are just new on trading then you shouldnt touch up futures or derivatives trading which it would really be totally a risky move for you to do so.You should stick with spot trading for some long time
and trying out to make yourself that sustainable on this way and never ever tend to jump directly in futures.Its true that even experienced or old traders could really mess up with touching up this area.
Why? Liquidation duration and probabilities is on high chance but of course it is also the same on how you do make profits and this is where people do really get interested on which they would really be
seeing that it would be something that would make them rich in no time but sooner or later they would really be realizing that it wont really be that just simple.

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They are losing because some thinks trading is simply buy low, sell high. They got carried away by the hype from the videos they watched. They don't realize that trading takes time before they honed their skills or too lazy to take one step at a time. Trading isn't for someone who is eager to make a fortune quickly. Some are only buying when the market or coins is being hyped or at peak thinking they can ride but the thing is. They have come at the wrong time when traders reach their selling point.
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They are losing because some thinks trading is simply buy low, sell high. They got carried away by the hype from the videos they watched. They don't realize that trading takes time before they honed their skills or too lazy to take one step at a time. Trading isn't for someone who is eager to make a fortune quickly. Some are only buying when the market or coins is being hyped or at peak thinking they can ride but the thing is. They have come at the wrong time when traders reach their selling point.
that's what makes most novice traders who want to quickly profit receive a lot of losses. they do not prepare themselves with good knowledge and skills. what's more, beginners only follow trading signals from telegram groups. not a group thing, but applying their trade takes some skill too.
maybe indeed more futures traders receive losses than gains.


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January 05, 2023, 09:25:39 PM
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Most often, traders choose the wrong strategy, or simply do not know how to work correctly. As a result, most often this leads to a negative result.
Everyone believes has got a good start by having any strategy that they know would be good as they test it. But sooner or later, after testing it, there goes the result, and will depend on its outcome. If it's not worth it at all then that means that strategy really has failed and they've chosen the wrong one but if it works, then they're the geniuses and that strategy works for them perfectly and makes money for them. But the reality in trading, no matter what strategy you've got, everyone has the high chance of just losing from it.

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January 05, 2023, 09:31:21 PM
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The reason for losing money in trading is that most traders are new to the crypto market and expect to make more profits in a short period of time, in which case they face more losses. To determine risk tolerance, start trading with a virtual account and analyze the market well. If you have limited risk capacity and cannot handle large losses then it is better to close the trade.
People lose money in trading for different reasons,  some maybe  because of not having good understanding about trading but they force their self in trading just to make money. Some people come into trading having a mindset to become rich without making good research to know the essence of trading. Lack of knowledge is the reason why people lose all of their money in trading. If traders should consider learning and having patience their wont be to much lose of money.
But the sad fact nowadays is that traders are more on earning for quick profits, and if they see the market is not cooperating, they end up panicking and lost their patience along the way, so they turned out to be losers instead of profiting. As long as people trade with emotions and greed, they will never be successful from trading and will continue to waste their money from trading.
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January 05, 2023, 10:40:51 PM
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investing and trading honestly is more than what's written in technical analysis books, there are so many emotion involved and that could influence your decision in trading and investing, so if you happened to lose your money in your trading maybe you're getting too carried away emotionally and make some haste decision, moreover the fact that so many coins out there don't follow technical analysis pattern is enough reason that you could be losing your trading and investments since sometimes it's all about luck.

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"The only way to avoid mistakes is to gain experience, and the only way to gain experience is to make mistakes." - Robert Kiyosaki

Well, unfortunately, there are many scams and sharp schemes in the world of cryptocurrencies... And sadly, some investors may fall victim to these. It's important for investors to do their due diligence and be cautious of any investment opportunities that seem too good to be true.



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January 06, 2023, 06:47:14 AM
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There's a reason why a lot of successful traders use algorithms/bots/scripts to execute their trades — it's to take as much emotion as possible out of the picture.
I get a good point, you are correct on this. Basically, uncontrolled emotions can make traders lose money in the market, whether it's in futures or spot trading. Emotion management is a must have for every trader, but if they use tools like bots then it will be very helpful.

Watching market volatility during trading will allow anyone to lose control of their emotions, especially if the market is undergoing a sharp correction.
To control emotions, you must first control your heart and subconscious mind. You must put your subconscious mind back into a state of positive energy, and make the trading decision you want to make most in your heart. Then don’t have any expectations. There is no absolute right or wrong, and some wrong decisions will last for a long time. It might be good to see too.
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January 06, 2023, 08:18:03 AM
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investing and trading honestly is more than what's written in technical analysis books, there are so many emotion involved and that could influence your decision in trading and investing, so if you happened to lose your money in your trading maybe you're getting too carried away emotionally and make some haste decision, moreover the fact that so many coins out there don't follow technical analysis pattern is enough reason that you could be losing your trading and investments since sometimes it's all about luck.
If the book is only about analysis then that is the only thing that you will learn there but other things are not yet tackled there. Investing is so wide but there might be books who are complete already. Trading mainly uses technical analysis but in investing, it's more on fundamental.

It's still up to us if we think learning both can be more beneficial to us then why not? If there is one thing that have in common for both investors and trading then that would be the emotions. It can messed you up pretty badly no matter what you do so we should learn how to control it to be able to be successful in our journey. Losing is sometimes inevitable but this should discourage us totally. Just carry on.

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Losing is common and every person experience failure in his life time but i think that future trading is  not good and it can never make you rich as there is great hazardous related to future trading so i will suggest that instead of future trading just buy some coins that you know that is the best coin and will become enhanced, so hold these coins for further enhancement in  cost, it will boost your money and success chances.

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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
I know why I lost some time ago- greed that made me increase the size of my position beyond my capacity.
The thing was I understood that I wasn't supposed to over increase my size and position. I couldn't control the risk with the position size, and I did lost a huge chunk of my portfolio.

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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
I know why I lost some time ago- greed that made me increase the size of my position beyond my capacity.
The thing was I understood that I wasn't supposed to over increase my size and position. I couldn't control the risk with the position size, and I did lost a huge chunk of my portfolio.

If you do make yourself in a hurry then it is really that prone to mistakes and errors which on the time that you do decide to make out some changes then you should really make sure that you are really that fully aware about the risk involved and since you've been talking about sizing up your position then you are aware that risk of losing is high.

Whether you do make use of small or high amount positions if you do find out that your small positions turns out to be that positive or profitable then its not bad to make out such changes as long you would be that sticking into your own ways and methods but of course on the time that you do make out such changes then you should really bare up with the risk involved into that because the higher chances that you would really be losing money but if things turns out to be good then profits is also better.

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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
I know why I lost some time ago- greed that made me increase the size of my position beyond my capacity.
The thing was I understood that I wasn't supposed to over increase my size and position. I couldn't control the risk with the position size, and I did lost a huge chunk of my portfolio.

Well, if you act like that, then losing will always be certain. It’s very unhealthy to trade motivated with greed since that will not help you to come up with smart decisions. Instead, once you lose in your trade, your emotions will burst out too leading into a very unhealthy position that will eventually make you a loser in the end.

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In my opinion if a person wants to involved in trading then he must have to clear one thing that with success you will definitely face some failure at some moments. Failure does not mean that now you are looser and you will not make profit ever but instead from these mistakes you learn and this lead you to the successful path.

Giving time to trading is also very important because if you do not give time to it then you will not realize that what's going on. Always focus on price, market situations and your strategies. If a price drops then you should never sell your holding coin as it can drops your money but whenever markets stabilizes then sell that coin to get better revenue.

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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
I know why I lost some time ago- greed that made me increase the size of my position beyond my capacity.
The thing was I understood that I wasn't supposed to over increase my size and position. I couldn't control the risk with the position size, and I did lost a huge chunk of my portfolio.

Well, if you act like that, then losing will always be certain. It’s very unhealthy to trade motivated with greed since that will not help you to come up with smart decisions. Instead, once you lose in your trade, your emotions will burst out too leading into a very unhealthy position that will eventually make you a loser in the end.
Doesnt matter on what are the emotions you should set upon or what are the things that you are doing with which losing is inevitable and there's no way that you could be able to avoid that even with those veterans or professionals that we do have in this market.Thing that differs them is that those pro's does have the idea on what to do or on what measure they would really be doing in the time that they are facing such condition.
Futures is really that too risky i must say but since it does give out that opportunity on getting high profits specially on high leverage on which it do really sparks out everyones interest on doing so
and this is why its not really that surprising that they would really be tending to dive in without any proper preparations and awareness.

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1.   Psychological – Trading is inherently risky; futures traders should be aware that no trade has a guaranteed outcome. When you put a trade, you are correspondingly accepting the risk but that’s where the problem comes in. All of the traders are taking the risk but are they accepting that the trade has a non-guaranteed outcome? The answer is No. Consistent traders are aware that there is no sure profit or magic in trading. They embrace the risk where if they lose, it is okay for them because they know that there is no guaranteed outcome.
I know why I lost some time ago- greed that made me increase the size of my position beyond my capacity.
The thing was I understood that I wasn't supposed to over increase my size and position. I couldn't control the risk with the position size, and I did lost a huge chunk of my portfolio.

Well, if you act like that, then losing will always be certain. It’s very unhealthy to trade motivated with greed since that will not help you to come up with smart decisions. Instead, once you lose in your trade, your emotions will burst out too leading into a very unhealthy position that will eventually make you a loser in the end.
I often see that all the money is lost because of a little greed. So never be greedy. The more we can stay away from greed, the better for us. But most of the time I am in a lot of trouble because of my own mistakes. But now I am  After understanding everything, I don't have the decision to do the work because of this, my loss amount has decreased a lot.

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February 01, 2023, 07:10:38 AM
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 Entering and performing trading activities in futures trading requires sufficient knowledge and you cannot be willing to take a risk.

    If those who already have ideas and knowledge in futures trading are still losing, what about those who don't know about it yet, right? That's why even if you lose in trading, you must also know what lesson you can get from it so that that mistake doesn't happen again so that you can stay longer and deepen your knowledge here as an individual trader in cryptocurrency.



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February 01, 2023, 07:39:31 AM
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There is no way to say that 95% of traders lose money, but the majority do, it's true. And it happens not only for beginners, but the majority often happens for beginners due to lack of knowledge and discipline that doesn't support or even doesn't exist at all.

Now in trading, like any other business, money is squeezed out of many of the least savvy traders and given to elite traders.
No way, 100% of all traders will make money, except for a continuous bull market.
Greed, emotional, mental and fear rule the majority and they will lose money for trading reasons.

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February 01, 2023, 08:52:48 AM
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Based on my experience in future trading I have some trick how to get profit and less risk or loss there,

  • Apply Profit Target
Many people in future trading become greedy without use how percentage for profit target, they will forget when looking PNL profitable more than 100% until price going drop.

  • Set Stop Loss
This important points in future trading, have set with how much percentage loss and stop trading tricked will help us from liquidation, make stop loss above from your target because some time Binance can't take or filled with your stop loss price.

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February 01, 2023, 07:29:52 PM
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There is no way to say that 95% of traders lose money, but the majority do, it's true. And it happens not only for beginners, but the majority often happens for beginners due to lack of knowledge and discipline that doesn't support or even doesn't exist at all.

Now in trading, like any other business, money is squeezed out of many of the least savvy traders and given to elite traders.
No way, 100% of all traders will make money, except for a continuous bull market.
Greed, emotional, mental and fear rule the majority and they will lose money for trading reasons.
Indeed 95% seems too much already even though I also saw a lot of threads here about the people who fail on futures trading. To fail can be normal especially if we are only getting started but later on, it is still possible for us to improve and recover what we have lost. Just like in trading that some people will lose first in order for others to profit, that is also how the bull market works.

There will be people first who will lose money during the bear market and then there must be people who will offer their money first (buy coins) to build up the price. If we know that we have all the negative traits that you mention, it will be better to avoid trading first because it can only affect our performances.
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