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November 22, 2022, 05:17:15 PM
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So you will claim that it wasn't any under-20k price good for starting DCA? Interesting...
And how often you suggest buying while doing this DCA? Daily? Weekly? Or?

$16K, $18K, it doesn't make a difference.
While people are getting spooked out of Bitcoin (bad Halloween joke), they are wasting their money on Cyber Monday (!) discounts that could've been spent to buy Bitcoin at these very discount prices.

I mean admit it, we have pretty much the best discount on the entire internet right now. 80% off from $69K FTW!

Don't get me wrong, people are going to wish that they bought this dip in 2025. Mark my words. Feel free to link back to this post then. Smiley

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November 22, 2022, 06:27:29 PM
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So you will claim that it wasn't any under-20k price good for starting DCA? Interesting...
And how often you suggest buying while doing this DCA? Daily? Weekly? Or?

$16K, $18K, it doesn't make a difference.
While people are getting spooked out of Bitcoin (bad Halloween joke), they are wasting their money on Cyber Monday (!) discounts that could've been spent to buy Bitcoin at these very discount prices.

I mean admit it, we have pretty much the best discount on the entire internet right now. 80% off from $69K FTW!

Don't get me wrong, people are going to wish that they bought this dip in 2025. Mark my words. Feel free to link back to this post then. Smiley

I completely agree (and see, you are being quoted now too). But my point was not about the exact price, it was more about the "abrupt call for DCA" the OP has made. He cleared up later on that he was DCA-ing since under 21k, so we're good.
And yes, Bitcoin is certainly at Black Friday discount (and pretty much only those who bought in the previous market cycles - and didn't sell - could argue this).

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November 22, 2022, 06:56:38 PM
Last edit: November 22, 2022, 09:47:53 PM by franky1
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. It makes more sense now.

real bitcoin dominance include only  :
Bitcoin (BTC)
Litecoin (LTC)
Ethereum (ETH)
Bsv (BSV)
Bcash (BCH)
Monero (XMR)
DASH (DASH)
Zcash (ZEC)
Bitcoin Gold(BTG)
Ethereum Classic (ETC)
Dogecoin (DOGE)
Decred (DCR)

I think that this list is wrong,

Not important at all, if you look at real dominance or at coinmarketcap dominance ( i look at bouth). Conclusions are the same

coin market cap is meaningless as explained a few posts about of making an alt with 1trill premine for 1cent

here is something you should look into
if a altcoin has any real community behind it. a niche service/feature only that altcoin has where there are a dominant userbase using it. then they would be setting their own sentiments about the utility which convert to individual trading patter of unique pricing compared to bitcoin.. in short the market price wiggles wont be wiggling in same pattern as another coin

however
ethereum is tracing bitcoin prices. which shows that there is not much unique trading happening in ethereum and instead if just bitcoin traders arbitraging that is holding ethereums market inline..

yep if there was another dominant coin it would be trading in its own unique spikes and dips of the market chart

enjoy


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November 22, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
Last edit: November 24, 2022, 11:41:41 PM by mprep
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Did you test this indicator for the past how it would outperform?

yep
after lessons learned mentioned already and below.. if i now trace it the bottom line cost stays below the market at all times

you also notice things more, like why 2016 started at ~$450 and ended up near $900 (halving event caused)

you notice when new gen asics became popular as the main miner. like when the S9 dominated the mining pools the prices went up
as did the s19

take things like
2011 when GPU pool mining took majority over solo GPU mining
or when asics first jumped into pools in 2013

there are many things you can learn by factoring mining variables
EG
2010 first price discovery. 1 year later ATH
2012 first halving. 1 year later ATH
2016 second halving. 1 year later ATH
2020 third halving. 1 year later ATH

you start to see events that effect mining costs booster the confidence in the bottom line value. which then sends market price speculation up

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its worth noting
in 2018 i did make the mistake of "daily" value checking where value did go up to $5.6k by summer of 2018
however by not staying with periodic value and staying an a low of the start of the period. i raced ahead . where by in autumn 2018 the hashrate declined and so the value declined. which allowed the market to decline
i should have stuck to the start of year value number not the daily number

as i in hindesight now and learned my lesson that its best to stick to cycles(4 year) with periodic checks inbetween
such as6month-2year.

to have the base line number of value that sits below price speculation

so take this lesson with you. dont get ahead of yourself basing underlying support bottom line based on the short term daily/monthly changes of hashrate when calculating mining cost. stretch it out over 6months or more to get the better average.. because thats what the most efficient miners do when they pay their bills 6-24 months at a time.. and not daily

I put a lot of importance to HALVING. Halving day is the last day that  I would DCA into BITCOIN

you wrote an interesting theory about how miners affect the price.
However, I have this question:

If the price would drop drastically below $15k, than hashrate would drop drastically. Many miners should turn off their computers. As a result, you would have less competition for mining in the market and the strongest miners will remain. In times of crisis such as recession, the market destroys many companies. So many miners maybe will need to sell under this prices to exit out of this buisnes with positive 0.
So why shouldn't some of the larger miners banropt in coming recesion and sell to us undervalued BITCOINS?




Thank you for the detailed explanation. It makes more sense now.

real bitcoin dominance include only  :
Bitcoin (BTC)
Litecoin (LTC)
Ethereum (ETH)
Bsv (BSV)
Bcash (BCH)
Monero (XMR)
DASH (DASH)
Zcash (ZEC)
Bitcoin Gold(BTG)
Ethereum Classic (ETC)
Dogecoin (DOGE)
Decred (DCR)

I think that this list is wrong,

Not important at all, if you look at real dominance or at coinmarketcap dominance ( i look at bouth). Conclusions are the same

coimn market cap is meaningles as ezplained a few posts about of making an alt with 1trill premine for 1cent

here is something you should look into
if a altcoin has any real community behind it. a niche service/feature only that altcoin has where there are a dominant userbase using it. then they would be setting their own sentiments about the utility which convert to individual trading patter of unique pricing compared to bitcoin.. in short the market price wiggles wont be wiggling in same pattern as another coin

however
ethereum is tracing bitcoin prices. which shows that there is not much unique trading happening in ethereum and instead if just bitcoin traders arbitraging that is holding ethereums market inline..

yep if there was another dominant coin it would be trading in its own unique spikes and dips of the market chart

enjoy

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1) there is an altcoin season, and there is a bitcoin season
2) From halving to halving, from the top of the cycle to the next top of a new cycle, and from the bottom to the next bottom,.. it is very difficult to get an altcoin that would outperform bitcoin. So if you're betting blind, it's best to buy bitcoin
3) Statistically, bitcoin dominance is highest when bitcoin reach new ATH in  the next halving. So altcoins will be worth buying blindly when bitcoin hits $69k.
There are too many altcoins to study them all. And the fact is that 99% of altcoins are scams
4) It is therefore wise to hold Altcoins for a few months max on 4 year cycle
5) look at ada, look at XRP. These are alts that do not outperform bitcoin in the long term and have a lot of believers.
6) then shiba or doge, which have no fundamentals and grow more than other altcoins that have some fundaments
That's why I will change 10% of bitcoin to altcoins during the bitcoin mania phase.
But when it is necessary to sell altcoins, that is a completely different topic.
Ant when to buy ETH is also topic for a new topic



So you will claim that it wasn't any under-20k price good for starting DCA? Interesting...
And how often you suggest buying while doing this DCA? Daily? Weekly? Or?

$16K, $18K, it doesn't make a difference.
While people are getting spooked out of Bitcoin (bad Halloween joke), they are wasting their money on Cyber Monday (!) discounts that could've been spent to buy Bitcoin at these very discount prices.

I mean admit it, we have pretty much the best discount on the entire internet right now. 80% off from $69K FTW!

Don't get me wrong, people are going to wish that they bought this dip in 2025. Mark my words. Feel free to link back to this post then. Smiley

Its totaly same buying BITCOIN at 16k or 18k.

But its not same to buy BTC at 30k or at 8k.

DCA is not so easy task. I needed a lot of study and discipline to start DCA under $21k.
Today i added additional 1% to BTC with price under $16k  per BTC.

For now i DCA 11% of my total bankroll into BTC


Price in range 15k- $16k are very atractive to me. Becouse many BITCOIN indicators scream botom is very close



So you will claim that it wasn't any under-20k price good for starting DCA? Interesting...
And how often you suggest buying while doing this DCA? Daily? Weekly? Or?

$16K, $18K, it doesn't make a difference.
While people are getting spooked out of Bitcoin (bad Halloween joke), they are wasting their money on Cyber Monday (!) discounts that could've been spent to buy Bitcoin at these very discount prices.

I mean admit it, we have pretty much the best discount on the entire internet right now. 80% off from $69K FTW!

Don't get me wrong, people are going to wish that they bought this dip in 2025. Mark my words. Feel free to link back to this post then. Smiley

I completely agree (and see, you are being quoted now too). But my point was not about the exact price, it was more about the "abrupt call for DCA" the OP has made. He cleared up later on that he was DCA-ing since under 21k, so we're good.
And yes, Bitcoin is certainly at Black Friday discount (and pretty much only those who bought in the previous market cycles - and didn't sell - could argue this).

Black friday is here yes  Grin

But we also discus how big this disount will be.

No doubt that this price in 2024-26 will be a price that everyone wish to buy at. But those who will wish to buy at this prices, are now  claiming BITCOIN will go to 0

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November 23, 2022, 11:57:46 PM
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4 Real BITCOIN dominance is closer to the bottom of this cycle (60%). Top dominance was 85% in 2019( after 2016). I dont expect we hit 85% again, but we are much more away from this levels..
Where people look for the real dominance of bitcoin? Coinmarketcap shows 38.5% while Coingecko shows 37%. So, right now, it's likely ranging from 37% to 38% for the bitcoin dominance.

I'm not expecting as well to see that much dominance for the next bull run. AFAIK, last bull run the highest that I've seen for btc dominance was like around 70%.

real bitcoin dominance include only  :

Bitcoin (BTC)
Litecoin (LTC)
Ethereum (ETH)
Bsv (BSV)
Bcash (BCH)
Monero (XMR)
DASH (DASH)
Zcash (ZEC)
Bitcoin Gold(BTG)
Ethereum Classic (ETC)
Dogecoin (DOGE)
Decred (DCR)

But if you look at coinmarkecap than i would say realistic is that BTC dominance will get up to 50%-60% dominance.

The pick of bitcoin dominance will be probably, when bitcoin price will be again around $69k
Yeah, that can be achieved again when the price of bitcoin goes up. And as it increases, the dominance of it in the market will be seen.

Why is that the real bitcoin dominance is only circulating into those altcoins and limits that to that number? Isn't it that it covers majority of the market's pair and altcoins and that's why it has gotten the percentage share for the entire market?

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4 Real BITCOIN dominance is closer to the bottom of this cycle (60%). Top dominance was 85% in 2019( after 2016). I dont expect we hit 85% again, but we are much more away from this levels..
Where people look for the real dominance of bitcoin? Coinmarketcap shows 38.5% while Coingecko shows 37%. So, right now, it's likely ranging from 37% to 38% for the bitcoin dominance.

I'm not expecting as well to see that much dominance for the next bull run. AFAIK, last bull run the highest that I've seen for btc dominance was like around 70%.

real bitcoin dominance include only  :

Bitcoin (BTC)
Litecoin (LTC)
Ethereum (ETH)
Bsv (BSV)
Bcash (BCH)
Monero (XMR)
DASH (DASH)
Zcash (ZEC)
Bitcoin Gold(BTG)
Ethereum Classic (ETC)
Dogecoin (DOGE)
Decred (DCR)

But if you look at coinmarkecap than i would say realistic is that BTC dominance will get up to 50%-60% dominance.

The pick of bitcoin dominance will be probably, when bitcoin price will be again around $69k
Yeah, that can be achieved again when the price of bitcoin goes up. And as it increases, the dominance of it in the market will be seen.

Why is that the real bitcoin dominance is only circulating into those altcoins and limits that to that number? Isn't it that it covers majority of the market's pair and altcoins and that's why it has gotten the percentage share for the entire market?

I prefer to look at Real Bitcoin dominance chart, becouse it exclude stablecoins

But I also chack coinmarketcap bitcoin dominance for the reference.
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- My BTC price model advise me to DCA 42% of capital  into BTC at today price ($17,7k)

The same model adviced to me to to push  63% of capital into BTC at BTC $15,5k



- Based on previose BTC cycles (no potential recession included in calculations), at today price my DCA would be 74%
At price $15,5k my DCA would be 96%

-My  social-internet risk model  says that people still need to lose a social-internet interest into BITCOIN. This model sugest to push till now 15% of capital into BTC. This model may sugest more DCA at bigger BTC prices

It looks like inflation will normalize soon. Last time we had high monthly inflation was June 2022. If because of this we will only have a milder and shorter recession, then it is also possible that the price of 15k-16k per btc  was the bottom.
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My final presentation.

1) I have already presented you the DCA model for the bitcoin price, which includes a potential recession – sugest to DCA 56% at price $16,6k. I give this model an index of 0.2

2) The next DCA model I built, measures the popularity of bitcoin on social media. I cannot present this model in graphic form in correlation with the price. This model currently suggests me a DCA to bitcoin of 23.42%. With this model, it may be that it will suggest a higher DCA at a higher BTC price. For example, on Twitter, people are still too interested in the topic around Bitcoin. I give this model an index of 0.2

3) All indicators point to a likely recession in 2023 or even 2024. As I observe, the bottom of the stock market is very much related to GDP and unemployment (I won't go into details). If the recession move into 2024 (which is less likely) I allow for the possibility that 2023 will be bullish for bitcoin like 2019. I give this model an index of 0.5. This indicator give 0% chance that we are at the bottom.

4) Additional indicators that I follow tell me that the bottom of bitcoin is close, but the bottom is not yet confirmed. These indicators tend to confirm a bottom when the bottom is already several weeks behind us. I give this factor an index of 0.1

Therefore, the whole matter together suggests that my DCA is 15.6%, at a price of $16,600 per btc.
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If it weren't for the threat of a recession, I would have followed my normal DCA model for BITCOIN much more. This model says that at a price of $15,500 per bitcoin, I should already be 96% loaded with bitcoin

Anyway, I'm not buying ETH right now because the stats say so. I wouldn't "touch" Altcoins right now, even with a stick.

There are many signals that real bitcoin sellers are gone. The problem that can arise in a recession is the following. Tesla, which is highly dependent on low interest rates, may be forced to sell its bitcoins during a recession. This news can bring the price of bitcoin down a lot. As a result, the price may fall so low that Saylor will then have to sell .. and so on. So then everyone who is in bitcoin on leverage/credit can literally fall out of the game.
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Don't use the Fear&Greed index and RSI only, because you're ignoring the price direction factor. You might be buying when the price is about to head *down* (sharply).

Make sure you are using Bollinger Bands and they are *not* wide, because that usually means (more often than not) some fuckup is going to happen to the market, and it's usually something coming from the outside, not from investors or speculators (eg. Luna crash, Celcius crash, FTX crunch).

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Don't use the Fear&Greed index and RSI only, because you're ignoring the price direction factor. You might be buying when the price is about to head *down* (sharply).

Make sure you are using Bollinger Bands and they are *not* wide, because that usually means (more often than not) some fuckup is going to happen to the market, and it's usually something coming from the outside, not from investors or speculators (eg. Luna crash, Celcius crash, FTX crunch).


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