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Merited by hosseinimr93 (10), hugeblack (5), DdmrDdmr (5), klarki (3), Pmalek (3), JayJuanGee (2), Welsh (2), vapourminer (1), suchmoon (1), ABCbits (1), mole0815 (1), UmerIdrees (1), Rikafip (1), meser# (1)
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Please forgive me if this post breaks any rules but man I'm obsessed with this OpenAI Chat bot, all the below answers are from this AI ChatGPT OpenAI.

So after playing with this OpenAI ChatGPT I randomly asked some questions about bitcointalk and some of the answers will leave you stunt.

Remember, I asked these question without any context, I mean I was asking programming questions and then randomly bring this topic about bitcointalk and oh boy...

This is one of the perfect definitions of bitcointalk I have ever read.



Good surely its does know about bitcointalk, but can it "Write a bitcointalk post"?

I ask this smart a** ChatGPT to write me a post for bitcointalk...



Look at the answer man... It's bullish on bitcoin and its knowledge about bitcoin is better than many of us. I asked the same question at different times and the answer was always bullish with different wording of course.


Ok since this AI knows about bitcointalk, but can it guide newbies on "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?", let's see...

Look at the answer below...Is that not enough of an AI? Look at point no.5... No google will bring this up. This is above human level AI. Going to the merit-giveaway campaigns... This AI is not only well aware of what's going on on the forum but also able to read the fundamentals of how it's working, impressed!




If you are not impressed yet... wait for it ok, AI tell me "how trust on bitcointalk works?"

Wow AI says "high trust score indicates that the user has a history of positive interactions with other members.".... that's what it is!!



Ok you cheeky Mr. AI, i see you know bitcointalk but how about theymos? Do you know what animal this is? No hanky-panky, just tell me "who's theymos?"



ahhhh so sweet... looks like this AI is written by Satoshi or theymos himself? "well-known and influential figure", "strict moderation", "respected figure".. stop it AI theymos is blushing.

Yes, I asked the AI to answer who's Satoshi? and the answer is as boring as you know.. unknow figure, person or group of people who created Bitcoin. Nothing new and all facts and we all know facts are boring so leave it for now.

Let me ask this "what's the future of bitcointalk?"



Competition to bitcointalk is coming guys...

Ok last question "Do bitcointalk need to update its interface?" please...



AI know mobile support is missing, but I think overall answer still support theymos but in the end it says "update to the forum's interface could be beneficial in the long run."


Enough I guess, ok give it a try guys ChatGPT: Optimizing Language Models for Dialogue - OpenAI Bot


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December 08, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
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What do the highlighted colors in the screenshots mean?

Ok since this AI knows about bitcointalk, but can it guide newbies on "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?", let's see...

Look at the answer below...Is that not enough of an AI? Look at point no.5... No google will bring this up. This is above human level AI. Going to the merit-giveaway campaigns... This AI is not only well aware of what's going on on the forum but also able to read the fundamentals of how it's working, impressed!

This looks exactly like the average topic from a Newbie without Merit who writes a "guide" on how to earn Merit. I'd call this a "generic shitpost": it's all more or less true, but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.

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December 08, 2022, 12:06:55 PM
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This looks exactly like the average topic from a Newbie without Merit who write a "guide" on how to earn Merit. I'd call this a "generic shitpost": it's all more or less true, but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.

You did not get the point first of all this post is not written by a human, half brain? not even half this AI is without a brain. Second, this answer is not fed to the "system". AI analyzes the question and comes up with the best answer.

For example if I google "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?" I will get hundred of "answers", AI combined and came up with one.. let me try this question again and see the answer now



Now see the answer and remember this is written by a computer program, not a human with half a brain Smiley


What do the highlighted colors in the screenshots mean?

Those highlighted bits of text are gathered and understood by AI and then put into meaningful and easy to follow steps? Don't you get it.

What about the answer to the question: who's theymos?




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December 08, 2022, 12:09:09 PM
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I tried to register but the bot seems asking for mobile number verification so I decided to quit.

Answers are not that bad but at the end its more generic not simply specific towards the question we ask so it can be a boon for spammers who are only posting to complete their quota. Cheesy

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December 08, 2022, 12:28:26 PM
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I don't know when the "AI" definition changed to mean a glorified search engine combined with a spell/grammar checker, but I'm guessing Google has something to do with it. Anyway, that's what this is. It's like a 12-year old who reads a wikipedia article and is now an expert on all things. There is no "I" in this "AI", or any chat "AI" I've seen so far. Ask it how to fix a gas leak at a furnace and it will happily provide advice on how to kill yourself if that's what it "read" on the intertubes.

For sure this will make shitposts more difficult to get reported and deleted, considering that even "non-AI" crap doesn't get deleted, so smart-sounding grammatically-correct posts will give shitposters better chances and may even earn a merit or two.

I can't be bothered to care too much though.
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December 08, 2022, 12:35:52 PM
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You did not get the point first of all this post is not written by a human
I got that part, but that doesn't make it less of a "generic shitpost".

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AI analyzes the question and comes up with the best answer.
I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

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For example if I google "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?" I will get hundred of "answers", AI combined and came up with one.. let me try this question again and see the answer now
I know how it works. But it's still just reiterating what has been said already.

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Now see the answer and remember this is written by a computer program, not a human with half a brain Smiley
Again: it's more of the same. Ask the AI who Loyce Valenzuela is. I bet nothing new comes up.

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December 08, 2022, 12:37:14 PM
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Well, I already talked about this in the other thread.

This looks exactly like the average topic from a Newbie without Merit who writes a "guide" on how to earn Merit. I'd call this a "generic shitpost": it's all more or less true, but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.

Sure, sure, I've seen worse posts than that written by newbies getting merits in the B&H section.

That IA doesn't stop improving and learning from experience, it doesn't get tired. I don't know if it's that you think it's going to stay at that level of quality or shitpost. No. It's going to get better.

The AI writes much better than the average user of the forum, and for me, without getting catastrophic, it will bring leverage. I think that in a few years AI tools will be used to write, in the same way that people use automatic translators to write in the English section of the forum.


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It helps people get answers for any quarry but will not serve the purpose of google. I learned about it yesterday and was looking for a thread about chatGPT, and you did it already.

My initial thought about chatGPT is like any other AI it collects data from google and delivers the best answer in a way most people like to see. I am going to create an account and will test this later today. I saw many people over-hyped about it, but I don't see any point here. As I mentioned before, it depends on google.
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You did not get the point first of all this post is not written by a human
I got that part, but that doesn't make it less of a "generic shitpost".

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AI analyzes the question and comes up with the best answer.
I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

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For example if I google "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?" I will get hundred of "answers", AI combined and came up with one.. let me try this question again and see the answer now
I know how it works. But it's still just reiterating what has been said already.

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Now see the answer and remember this is written by a computer program, not a human with half a brain Smiley
Again: it's more of the same. Ask the AI who Loyce Valenzuela is. I bet nothing new comes up.

Ok i did..



See the answer to the second question Who's LoyceV?

- LoyceV could potentially be a username or handle used by someone on the internet
- It's also possible that LoyceV is a shortened version of a longer name or pseudonym

But when I asked the same question to google?




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I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

To be honest digging and spinning words + learning is an AI. Let try something else

How about "Write a bitcointalk post based on the post history of the user LoyceV?"





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Lol, AI got busted! I'd never use the word "vibrant", and I'd never chill the Defi scam. Nice try though.

I've been called "AI" many times, I guess I can do better Cheesy



The writing is impressive though, I'll admit that. It just doesn't add anything to any conversation.

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I don't know when the "AI" definition changed to mean a glorified search engine combined with a spell/grammar checker, but I'm guessing Google has something to do with it. Anyway, that's what this is. It's like a 12-year old who reads a wikipedia article and is now an expert on all things.

I would say we should not confuse AI with google.

Yes, maybe these answers are like someone who's 12-years old... but again it's not a human with a 12 year mind but still the answer looks like it's coming from a human. Isn't it amazing?

In another thread in an article someone said "OpenAI's GPT-3 may be the biggest thing since bitcoin"... I believe that's what it is going to be.

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December 08, 2022, 05:01:13 PM
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It is impressive what ChatGPT can do. It’s a glimpse into the world that is quickly approaching. I’m sure a day in the not too distant future will come when internet interactions are majority bots/AI and human beings have to be sought out. Forums like this seem like the easiest casualty for a human majority as I think ChatGPT could already surpass a large % of the users here on post quality. I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.

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December 08, 2022, 06:22:51 PM
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I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.

That's certainly a possibility, and I think campaigns like 1xCrap will be thinking about it right now, because for what they want the quality is more than good enough.

This debate goes much further. IA midjourney illustrations are also much better than those of the average cartoonist. That to this day, and they just keep getting better and better. They're going to do a lot of less necessary jobs, and others will come out, just as there were no youtubers or influencers 30 years ago.

As far as I'm concerned, I've had this debate in poker. When the first bots came out, people made fun, or rather, we made fun, because they were better than the typical recreational player or fish, but they played in a very simple way that we regulars could beat.

It's been years now since AIs are better than the best of humans. Is that the end of poker? No, on the contrary, what these tools have done is to give leverage to those who study poker with poker solvers.


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December 08, 2022, 06:28:27 PM
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I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.
That doesn't make them different than running a campaign without an experienced campaign manager here. Both will get the same output at the end of the day. I don't think it's going to be practiced by so many project as the post most likely sounds like teenage noobs.

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December 08, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
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I completely advise against using ChatGPT to make posts, because it will plagiarize stuff from the internet and will get you banned for that. The first question/answer for example, is straight out of Wikipedia I believe.

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Your findings are fascinating. Unfortunately, I could not create an account on Tor using Guerrilla Mail. Is there any way to anonymously test it?

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Well things are seemingly starting to move pretty fast with the use of the ChatGPT solution, to the point that StackOverflow has temporarily set a policy to ban the use of the tool on their platform. I’ll quote the longish post, which is worth a read in order to see the situations it seems to be causing:

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This is a temporary policy intended to slow down the influx of answers and other content created with ChatGPT. What the final policy will be regarding the use of this and other similar tools is something that will need to be discussed with Stack Overflow staff and, quite likely, here on Meta Stack Overflow.
Overall, because the average rate of getting correct answers from ChatGPT is too low, the posting of answers created by ChatGPT is substantially harmful to the site and to users who are asking or looking for correct answers.

The primary problem is that while the answers which ChatGPT produces have a high rate of being incorrect, they typically look like they might be good and the answers are very easy to produce. There are also many people trying out ChatGPT to create answers, without the expertise or willingness to verify that the answer is correct prior to posting. Because such answers are so easy to produce, a large number of people are posting a lot of answers. The volume of these answers (thousands) and the fact that the answers often require a detailed read by someone with at least some subject matter expertise in order to determine that the answer is actually bad has effectively swamped our volunteer-based quality curation infrastructure.
As such, we need to reduce the volume of these posts and we need to be able to deal with the ones which are posted quickly, which means dealing with users, rather than individual posts. So, for now, the use of ChatGPT to create posts here on Stack Overflow is not permitted. If a user is believed to have used ChatGPT after this temporary policy is posted, sanctions will be imposed to prevent users from continuing to post such content, even if the posts would otherwise be acceptable.

While the above text focuses on answers, because that's where we're experiencing the largest volume of such content, the ban applies to all content on Stack Overflow, except each user's profile content (e.g. your "About me" text).
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See: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/temporary-policy-chatgpt-is-banned?cb=1

If things build up on Bitcointalk, I’m pretty certain something along the above line may be added here. Although it’s not that trivial to discern the text generated by the AI, from a certain type of average user, patterns, language changes between posts, and the way interaction takes place might be pointers to follow.

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<...> Moderators are empowered (at their discretion) to issue immediate suspensions of up to 30 days to users who are copying and pasting GPT content onto the site, with or without prior notice or warning. <...>

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December 08, 2022, 07:15:01 PM
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Woah, seems like this AI ChatGPT solution will bring in more and more information in the hands of newbies as it evolves, as well, the newbies may also "use it to plagiarize the content" that they'll receive from this bot. Nonetheless, I'm amazed how gradually it changes the responses but the replies are really worth reading and may improve in the future except the LoyceV one, as I guess the bot needs to impress us by recognising most of the well-versed members of Bitcointalk community according to their contribution to the forum society.

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December 08, 2022, 08:13:22 PM
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I am not impressed at all with results shown in first post, and I bet that posts generated by this OpenAI ChatGPT would get flagged for plagiarism many times.
All this thing is doing is copy-pasting what people wrote before and making random results makes it look better than it should.
OP when you generate next answer on your question, remember to scan result with plagiarism checker and you would probably find several used sources.
This would mean than anyone who writes posts like this would get banned in bitcointalk forum (if reported).
 

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December 08, 2022, 08:34:31 PM
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It's one of the what the fuck moments for me. These days AI are that much advanced? It seems they are scrapping all data from all web including deep and dark. It does not matter what you put where, they will take a snapshot. Scary as fuck.

but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.
At the same time you can not deny that one can really get at least some idea of any topic they ask from it. You won't understand AI. Bot and AI functions differently 😉

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