Green energy falacy: Switzerland could ban electric vehicle during energy crisis

[bitmover]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/switzerland-could-ban-electric-vehicle-use-during-energy-crisis-reports
Switzerland could ban electric vehicles from being used non-essentially this winter as government officials begin to brace for an energy crisis during the winter months, according to reports.

The Telegraph reported on Saturday that Swiss officials have drafted emergency proposals that restrict power usage if things get bad this winter.

So it looks like all this elétrica car stuff just consumes more energy

In crisis, oil is much safer to use.

I believe this news shows how political and economical all this "carbon" discussion is, and not really ecological.

Curious is that bitcoin is not being banned from Switzerland.  Probably eletric cars consume much more energy there.

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring the reality
Ayn rand

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[LDL]

elétrica car stuff just consumes more energy

In crisis, oil is much safer to use.

Switzerland is a developed country but still considering electricity power, the government has taken steps to ban all cars that run on electric power.  This is undoubtedly a breakthrough step, because if electricity wastage is not curbed now, there will be major problems in the distant future.

Some Electric cars/Vehicles







But my country is full of electric cars and the roads are full of auto rickshaws, electric vans, and electric bicycles etc. with electric chargers all over the road.  These vehicles consume a major portion of our country's total electrical energy.  Due to which our country is always in shortage of electricity.  If all these electric cars are not stopped from my country then in future there will be 20 hours of load shedding in 24 hours.

[Nhazwrath]

I feel a lot of "told you so's" coming on..

electric vehicles are still a good future possibility. 

battery life and charge times and infrastructure support are kinda needed........told you so.. 

[franky1]

they say average per person use of electric pre ecar is 0.75kw per day
family of 2 children is about 2kwh a day

e-cars can do 4miles per kwh

if a family travels just 8miles a day by e-car. their electric usage doubles

though electric kw/mile is cheaper than car gasoline/mile.

[dataispower]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/switzerland-could-ban-electric-vehicle-use-during-energy-crisis-reports
Switzerland could ban electric vehicles from being used non-essentially this winter as government officials begin to brace for an energy crisis during the winter months, according to reports.

The Telegraph reported on Saturday that Swiss officials have drafted emergency proposals that restrict power usage if things get bad this winter.

So it looks like all this elétrica car stuff just consumes more energy

In crisis, oil is much safer to use.

I believe this news shows how political and economical all this "carbon" discussion is, and not really ecological.

Curious is that bitcoin is not being banned from Switzerland.  Probably eletric cars consume much more energy there.

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring the reality
Ayn rand

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Its only an emergency proposal so they can be ready for crisis in the coming winter.
A ban on electric cars is not the precaution they're taking. Building could use less power, offices and shops could close two hours earlier. Electric cars would not be banned according to reports, it usage will just be limited to essential things like going to your place of work, visiting the doctor, attending court appointment and more. They're not doing this because the cars consume too much energy, they're are doing this because they're facing an energy crises due to the war. Even the countries they import electricity from (France, Germany) are all facing electricity crisis.

[Lucius]

I think it is important to note here that such a ban could only happen in the event that Switzerland faces major problems with the supply of electricity and that this is only one of the measures they have put on the table, and that the term "nonessential" is also emphasized, which means that the ban would not apply to everyone. The measures that are still being considered are, of course, much broader and even go so far as to reduce the resolution of streaming services.

Curious is that bitcoin is not being banned from Switzerland.  Probably eletric cars consume much more energy there.

Probably, because I found information that at the beginning of this year, the average monthly hashrate share for Switzerland was only 0.03%, and it is similar in other European countries (except Germany). Any ban in that direction is quite absurd, although I have no doubt that some countries will go in that direction as well.

[thecodebear]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/switzerland-could-ban-electric-vehicle-use-during-energy-crisis-reports
Switzerland could ban electric vehicles from being used non-essentially this winter as government officials begin to brace for an energy crisis during the winter months, according to reports.

The Telegraph reported on Saturday that Swiss officials have drafted emergency proposals that restrict power usage if things get bad this winter.

So it looks like all this elétrica car stuff just consumes more energy

In crisis, oil is much safer to use.

I believe this news shows how political and economical all this "carbon" discussion is, and not really ecological.

Curious is that bitcoin is not being banned from Switzerland.  Probably eletric cars consume much more energy there.

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring the reality
Ayn rand

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You seem to be taking away the wrong lesson here.

Obviously electric cars consume a lot of energy, and So if they have an energy crisis this winter they're trying to lower the amount of energy used, which includes electric vehicles. The electricity comes from various sources, fossil fuel and renewable. Its not like this says anything about fossil fuels vs renewables.

Oil is not safer to use in a crisis. They're just concerned about a crisis with electrical power, not with oil. If they were concerned about a crisis with oil and not electrical power, they'd be trying to limit people from driving gas cars during a crisis and encouraging EV during a crisis.

And obviously energy use has to do with economics. It also has to do with the environment since we're destroying it by using fossil fuels. But during an energy crisis you use whatever sources of energy you can get and limit the use of those that could be in short supply, and the worry here is that electricity will be low so they want people to use less electricity wherever they are able.

Don't try to turn this into some lame false political point. Trying to use less electricity during a possible energy crisis does nothing to reverse how bad fossil fuels are.

[pooya87]

Electric cars have always been mostly hype where they basically move the pollution from the consumer (car) to the producer (electric company) and so far it is damaging the environment more and it costs more too. In case of energy crisis like these days in EU there will be shortage of all kinds of energy sources from fossil fuel to electricity specially if a country itself does not have these resources already (have to import) and most of European countries are like this.

[Wiwo]

Energy generation and consumption is one of the major parts of an economy and Switzerland being a country that struggle with electricity generation and supply will place some limits on the energy consumption of the electric car, while there has  been various advanced model of an electric car that consumes less electricity compared to the early models of Electric car's energy usage and the price will definitely increase as the price of gas in the global stock market has gone high since after covid 19 and electric car owners should braze up to pay higher electricity bills per month.

[stompix]

I think it is important to note here that such a ban could only happen in the event that Switzerland faces major problems with the supply of electricity and that this is only one of the measures they have put on the table, and that the term "nonessential" is also emphasized, which means that the ban would not apply to everyone. The measures that are still being considered are, of course, much broader and even go so far as to reduce the resolution of streaming services.

It can happen in California too, and there was supposed to be a lot of green and cheap energy there but instead, there is no energy, it has the most expensive power rates in the states, and so on.
The problems are the same, you can only have one limited amount of energy created with green initiatives, and only during certain times, there is no way to expand hydroelectricity capacity in Switzerland so all they can do is import from others, just like California, but when the others from which you were buying are going the moronic way too, this happens.

Does Switzerland even have any refineries for oil to gas?

Just one, close to the border with France on one of the pipelines that bring oil in and next to one of the gas pipe that comes from Germany to Italy but most diesel and gasoline has always been imported from Germany.

they say average per person use of electric pre ecar is 0.75kw per day
family of 2 children is about 2kwh a day

Household electricity consumption in Switzerland is 4500kwh a year, that's 13 kWh a day, so you're off by almost an order of magnitude.
The average personal car distance driven is 40km a day, so for the most efficient Tesla, it will be 4.5 kwh.

So, as usual, you're completely wrong about everything.

[kryptqnick]

Electric vehicles, electric stoves and ovens are the way for the future because at least it is possible to have renewable sources of energy for electricity, whereas using oil or gas is not something that can be in principle done in eco-friendly way. However, using them properly requires having energy security, which isn't normally a problem but is an issue now. Ukraine, for example, used to enjoy a surplus of energy, producing more than the country needed, so we never had blackouts or energy deficit and exported energy to other countries. With the war and Russia targeting energy infrastructure, electricity is scarce, so electric cars and stoves are very unhelpful. So unfortunately, in current times, we can see a certain backlash due to a specific country doing its best to create global issues.

[Die_empty]

I believe this news shows how political and economical all this "carbon" discussion is, and not really ecological.

Curious is that bitcoin is not being banned from Switzerland.  Probably eletric cars consume much more energy there.

Europe is going through a whole lot of energy crisis and they are taking drastic actions to ensure that available energy is used efficiently. Switzerland main source of power is hydropower but the country has to rely on imported gas for heating during summer. And report shows that 43% of this imported gas comes from Russia. As European nations try to boycott Russian supplies there is need to make sacrifices to achieve this aim. The swiss government is even considering regulating sports, the theatre and even crypto mining . Currently European nations' main priority is survival and not the environment. When this crisis is over, the voices of the protectors of the environment would become louder, but for now, they need to live to fight for mother earth.        

[BADecker]

Of course, maybe the world should go to this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jumping+springs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnIhI5PVXFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa3aWfOOJZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjPVQDZdzCg

[Gyfts]

This isn't really a story about electric vehicles as much as it is about an energy crisis. They could ban gasoline powered vehicles if they needed to reserve gas for power plants and generators if they really were strapped for energy.

Its only an emergency proposal so they can be ready for crisis in the coming winter.
A ban on electric cars is not the precaution they're taking. Building could use less power, offices and shops could close two hours earlier. Electric cars would not be banned according to reports, it usage will just be limited to essential things like going to your place of work, visiting the doctor, attending court appointment and more. They're not doing this because the cars consume too much energy, they're are doing this because they're facing an energy crises due to the war. Even the countries they import electricity from (France, Germany) are all facing electricity crisis.

Of course they wouldn't ban EV's. No one is disputing that. The concern is the government telling people they don't have the right to travel because of their own energy policy. If they wanted cheap energy, they have the ability to source it. Energy is the holds civil society together. Without it, things begin to unravel very quickly.

[worldofcoins]

I don't understand why the Swiss government is taking this step while the energy crisis can be overcome. An electric vehicle doesn't consume that much energy, which can cause a major energy crisis in the country. Therefore, the government must take measures rather than banning electric vehicles to overcome the possible energy crisis.