Russians as a state-forming people

[Hispo]

Russia is for freedom..

Russia is a dictatorship and a country which has been proven to systematically violate human rights, Puting is not there for the freedom of Russia, he is there to continue to oppress them until he is dead or even beyond.
There are thousands of Russian who live in exile because of their political ideas or their sexual orientation, that is not freedom, there is more freedom in the United States, and that is a fact.

In the United States you will never be incarcerated for free speech, while I'm the Russian federation you can get literally be thrown in prison for disagreeing with the government openly.

A Dictatorship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with freedom or not. It just depends on who is running the country.

It might be easier for a dictator to turn his country into slavery, but just look at the USA which is not a dictatorship. There is poverty all over the place, which is akin to slavery. The poverty is so great that Trump is having a difficult time turning it back to freedom.

Putin is just about the best thing that could have happened to Russia. He isn't doing what his predecessors did. He is ushering in more freedom than ever.

If you think that people in the US aren't oppressed for using their free speech at times, you are missing a lot. If police can't arrest you, they'll harass you in ways that you can never prove.

What are you even talking about?
If you go to Moscow and hold a sign calling Putin and dictator as a form of protest, you would get arrested and probably imprisoned for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign called Trump a dictator legally policía cannot arrest you for peacefully protesting an administration you don't like.

That simple as that. What is happening in Russia is not either freedom or a economic boom, as there are also people who cannot even afford to get actual nutritive food, like vegetables and fruit, because of the high cost of living.

[BADecker]

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A Dictatorship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with freedom or not. It just depends on who is running the country.

It might be easier for a dictator to turn his country into slavery, but just look at the USA which is not a dictatorship. There is poverty all over the place, which is akin to slavery. The poverty is so great that Trump is having a difficult time turning it back to freedom.

Putin is just about the best thing that could have happened to Russia. He isn't doing what his predecessors did. He is ushering in more freedom than ever.

If you think that people in the US aren't oppressed for using their free speech at times, you are missing a lot. If police can't arrest you, they'll harass you in ways that you can never prove.

What are you even talking about?
If you go to Moscow and hold a sign calling Putin and dictator as a form of protest, you would get arrested and probably imprisoned for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign called Trump a dictator legally policía cannot arrest you for peacefully protesting an administration you don't like.

That simple as that. What is happening in Russia is not either freedom or a economic boom, as there are also people who cannot even afford to get actual nutritive food, like vegetables and fruit, because of the high cost of living.

What are you even talking about? Slandering anybody in public is actually a crime. Simply because the laws in the US makes slander okay at times, or a difficult thing to punish legally, doesn't mean that it is any more right in Washington.

The thing that is happening in many places in the US and Russia is similar. It's simply a breaking down of the SYSTEM.

All over the US you can find people moving to the countryside, bartering among themselves, and excluding formal government from their living equation. Same in Russia. Simply look for Youtube videos on Russian/Siberian living rather than accepting the propaganda that standard media spouts.

People who protest what government is doing, are simply socialistic people who would really rather live off government than work for a living... on their own farm or homestead.

Essentially what these people are doing is forming their own State, even though they don't declare it formally.

[Alik Bahshi]

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A Dictatorship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with freedom or not. It just depends on who is running the country.

It might be easier for a dictator to turn his country into slavery, but just look at the USA which is not a dictatorship. There is poverty all over the place, which is akin to slavery. The poverty is so great that Trump is having a difficult time turning it back to freedom.

Putin is just about the best thing that could have happened to Russia. He isn't doing what his predecessors did. He is ushering in more freedom than ever.

If you think that people in the US aren't oppressed for using their free speech at times, you are missing a lot. If police can't arrest you, they'll harass you in ways that you can never prove.

What are you even talking about?
If you go to Moscow and hold a sign calling Putin and dictator as a form of protest, you would get arrested and probably imprisoned for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign called Trump a dictator legally policía cannot arrest you for peacefully protesting an administration you don't like.

That simple as that. What is happening in Russia is not either freedom or a economic boom, as there are also people who cannot even afford to get actual nutritive food, like vegetables and fruit, because of the high cost of living.

What are you even talking about? Slandering anybody in public is actually a crime. Simply because the laws in the US makes slander okay at times, or a difficult thing to punish legally, doesn't mean that it is any more right in Washington.

The thing that is happening in many places in the US and Russia is similar. It's simply a breaking down of the SYSTEM.

All over the US you can find people moving to the countryside, bartering among themselves, and excluding formal government from their living equation. Same in Russia. Simply look for Youtube videos on Russian/Siberian living rather than accepting the propaganda that standard media spouts.

People who protest what government is doing, are simply socialistic people who would really rather live off government than work for a living... on their own farm or homestead.

Essentially what these people are doing is forming their own State, even though they don't declare it formally.

  Hispo gave you an example:

If you go to Moscow and hold a sign saying "Putin is a dictator" as a protest, you'll be arrested and likely jailed for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign saying "Trump is a dictator," the police are legally prohibited from arresting you for peacefully protesting an administration you dislike.

And you've avoided a direct answer to the example given by writing nonsense that doesn't make any sense to Mr. Hispo:

People protesting government actions are simply socialists who would rather live off the government than earn a living... on their own farm or in their own home.

[Alik Bahshi]

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A Dictatorship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with freedom or not. It just depends on who is running the country.

It might be easier for a dictator to turn his country into slavery, but just look at the USA which is not a dictatorship. There is poverty all over the place, which is akin to slavery. The poverty is so great that Trump is having a difficult time turning it back to freedom.

Putin is just about the best thing that could have happened to Russia. He isn't doing what his predecessors did. He is ushering in more freedom than ever.

If you think that people in the US aren't oppressed for using their free speech at times, you are missing a lot. If police can't arrest you, they'll harass you in ways that you can never prove.

What are you even talking about?
If you go to Moscow and hold a sign calling Putin and dictator as a form of protest, you would get arrested and probably imprisoned for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign called Trump a dictator legally policía cannot arrest you for peacefully protesting an administration you don't like.

That simple as that. What is happening in Russia is not either freedom or a economic boom, as there are also people who cannot even afford to get actual nutritive food, like vegetables and fruit, because of the high cost of living.

What are you even talking about? Slandering anybody in public is actually a crime. Simply because the laws in the US makes slander okay at times, or a difficult thing to punish legally, doesn't mean that it is any more right in Washington.

The thing that is happening in many places in the US and Russia is similar. It's simply a breaking down of the SYSTEM.

All over the US you can find people moving to the countryside, bartering among themselves, and excluding formal government from their living equation. Same in Russia. Simply look for Youtube videos on Russian/Siberian living rather than accepting the propaganda that standard media spouts.

People who protest what government is doing, are simply socialistic people who would really rather live off government than work for a living... on their own farm or homestead.

Essentially what these people are doing is forming their own State, even though they don't declare it formally.

  Hispo gave you an example:

If you go to Moscow and hold a sign saying "Putin is a dictator" as a protest, you'll be arrested and likely jailed for a while.
On the other hand, if you go to Washington and do the same with a sign saying "Trump is a dictator," the police are legally prohibited from arresting you for peacefully protesting an administration you dislike.

And you've avoided a direct answer to the example given by writing nonsense that doesn't make any sense to Mr. Hispo:

People protesting government actions are simply socialists who would rather live off the government than earn a living... on their own farm or in their own home.

 BADecker, I gave you an example of truth from Mr. Hispo, which you had trouble answering. I see you were offended by leaving the topic, which is a shame. I always enjoy debating with you, because your opposition helps further illuminate the lies of Putin's Russia. So, come back.

[Alik Bahshi]

Russia is for freedom..

Russia is a dictatorship and a country which has been proven to systematically violate human rights, Puting is not there for the freedom of Russia, he is there to continue to oppress them until he is dead or even beyond.
There are thousands of Russian who live in exile because of their political ideas or their sexual orientation, that is not freedom, there is more freedom in the United States, and that is a fact.

In the United States you will never be incarcerated for free speech, while I'm the Russian federation you can get literally be thrown in prison for disagreeing with the government openly.

But Badeker believes that true freedom lies in Russia, not the West. But why does he, a lover of freedom, live in the West and not in Russia, where this freedom drives people to move to the West? How can this undeniable fact be explained?

[BADecker]

Russians as a state-forming people


All peoples seem to be 'state' forming people. Look at the USA. It has a bunch of States. So, what really is a state?

It's a state of mind. Then it is written down because people can't remember what their state of mind is like without writing it down. At least this way they have a chance.

Then other people join the 'state'. None of them really remember what their state is all about. That is why the governments write them down.


You talk so silly about Russia, like the people are different from the rest of the world, somehow. All nations are States... states of mind written down so they won't forget as easy as they would if they weren't written down.

[Alik Bahshi]

Russians as a state-forming people


All peoples seem to be 'state' forming people. Look at the USA. It has a bunch of States. So, what really is a state?

It's a state of mind. Then it is written down because people can't remember what their state of mind is like without writing it down. At least this way they have a chance.

Then other people join the 'state'. None of them really remember what their state is all about. That is why the governments write them down.


You talk so silly about Russia, like the people are different from the rest of the world, somehow. All nations are States... states of mind written down so they won't forget as easy as they would if they weren't written down.

In the US, states are purely administrative entities, while in Russia there are many peoples, for whom borders are officially assigned based on nationality, which, upon the collapse of the empire, will find themselves in the status of states, as happened during the collapse of the USSR.