Iran and Russia want to issue new stablecoin backed by gold

[pooya87]

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Iran and Gulf countries have long history of differences but recently KSA crown prince MBS took some initiative which will suppose to melt the ice between  two parties. Iran recently reopened his embassy in Riyadh and earlier this year Iran president has received an invitation to visit KSA. Gulf countries are strong ally of USA while Iran sit in opposite camp. The position KSA and UAE has taken on Ukraine is against USA stance, so it is expected that KSA may shake hand with Iran also.

Saudi dictatorship and the artificially created micro-countries like UAE, Qatar, etc needed United States for existing. Otherwise you can't just brutally murder a Washington Post journalist in broad daylight or even attack and destroy 2 trade centers in US and still continue "existing"!

Now the thing is, US is getting weaker every day and they realize this. Which is why they are trying to distance themselves from US like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

The fact that they are extending a hand toward Iran is just them realizing the super power in the region but also many believe that they may be buying time hoping US would recover so that they can go back to doing what they were doing before, because in short neither Iran (nor other countries like China which they are also getting close to) would stay silent about their atrocities.

Regarding "bloodthirsty invaders such as the US in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq" is a lie ! Those were civil conflicts where the local population asked the US to protect the Afghan-speaking, Syrian-speaking, and Iraqi-speaking populations from the Kabul, Damascus, and Baghdad juntas.

Do you really believe that America allocated budgets in the billions just to provide aid to those oppressed peoples? I do not want to believe that someone is so naive as to believe the allegations that the US administration made to justify the invasion of those countries.

Don't underestimate the power of brainwash. After all US regime spends billions annually on it specially in mainstream media and in hollywood.

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Regarding "bloodthirsty invaders such as the US in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq" is a lie ! Those were civil conflicts where the local population asked the US to protect the Afghan-speaking, Syrian-speaking, and Iraqi-speaking populations from the Kabul, Damascus, and Baghdad juntas.

Do you really believe that America allocated budgets in the billions just to provide aid to those oppressed peoples? I do not want to believe that someone is so naive as to believe the allegations that the US administration made to justify the invasion of those countries.
- America occupied Afghanistan after the events of September 11, 2001, despite the fact that Bin Laden (the first accused in those events) was not Afghan, nor did the Taliban movement have anything to do with those events, nor did the Afghan people have anything to do with those bombings, but unfortunately, he paid the price of those events in one of the worst tragedies in modern history.
- America occupied Iraq under the pretext that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction, then it was proven that it did not have any weapons, not even the intention to develop weapons. More than two million Iraqis paid with their lives for these allegations.
- America is partly intervening in Syria to protect its interests in the region, especially "Israel's security". This intervention has nothing to do with the suffering of the Syrian people.

Why is Iran squealing at Russia over some foreign islands that are ancestral to the UAE?

That's even cuter than your previous jokes.
The microscopic country called UAE was created in 1971 (that's 52 years ago) whereas these islands were part of Iran for the past 5000 years
The term "ancestral" is not even defined for artificial countries that aren't even as old as the trees in my yard. If we start talking about history, UAE itself is part of Iranian soil that is under occupation and needs to be liberated... LOL

It is a ridiculous joke that claims that Iran occupies UAE islands, although the UAE is a modern state that was established according to tribal considerations to determine the process of controlling the natural resources of the region. The same goes for Qatar, which was created according to the same criteria.

Okay, no offense I just started to answer pooya87, in the style of pooya87's favorite Moscow propagandists, that's all for nothing !
And it suits him to justify Russian terror against Ukraine and the whole world, even in the presence of dissonance. A boomerang effect !
And tell me - do you think that Russia is a terrorist country and occupied Ukraine? And do you also think that Russia is terrorizing the whole world right now, from grain sabotage.
 to trying to start a new, full-blown world war? This is a test question - how honest are you in assessing the situation and not two-faced....

Without taking into account the geopolitical calculations, and given that Ukraine is an independent country with full rights, I consider what Russia is doing as an invasion and aggression against an independent country. But this example cannot be compared with the wars led by the United States, especially those launched after the fall of the Soviet Union, because previous wars were always carried out within the framework of the Cold War.
From the same point of view, what NATO is doing can also be considered as a violation of Ukraine's independence and its involvement in a conflict that does not concern it in the first place. The war in Ukraine is between Russia and NATO, and Ukraine is nothing but a land of conflict.

Regarding "bloodthirsty invaders such as the US in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq" is a lie ! Those were civil conflicts where the local population asked the US to protect the Afghan-speaking, Syrian-speaking, and Iraqi-speaking populations from the Kabul, Damascus, and Baghdad juntas.

Do you really believe that America allocated budgets in the billions just to provide aid to those oppressed peoples? I do not want to believe that someone is so naive as to believe the allegations that the US administration made to justify the invasion of those countries.

Don't underestimate the power of brainwash. After all US regime spends billions annually on it specially in mainstream media and in hollywood.

It does not require super intelligence to read history and deduce the course of events. But I remain shocked when I meet some who live in a state of complete denial of the facts and refuse even to change the angle of analysis.
Recently, I was in a discussion in the French board with some members there who do not even admit that France is a colonial country and that it had (and still does) own colonies in Africa and that it bears a large part of the crises of those countries. I was shocked that I found some convinced that France was spreading civilization and the principles of freedom, and at the same time they do not have an explanation for why more than a million and a half Algerians were killed during the war of liberation only (1962), in addition to millions who were killed in colonialism that continued for more than a century (1830-1962).

[DrBeer]

Without taking into account the geopolitical calculations, and given that Ukraine is an independent country with full rights, I consider what Russia is doing as an invasion and aggression against an independent country. But this example cannot be compared with the wars led by the United States, especially those launched after the fall of the Soviet Union, because previous wars were always carried out within the framework of the Cold War.
From the same point of view, what NATO is doing can also be considered as a violation of Ukraine's independence and its involvement in a conflict that does not concern it in the first place. The war in Ukraine is between Russia and NATO, and Ukraine is nothing but a land of conflict.

No offense. I was just applying the same practice of selective "truth" to pooya87 that he tries to play all the time. In his case, one and the same event can have two different explanations. In the necessary case - positive, in the unnecessary case - negative.

I absolutely do not deny that the reasons for the invasion of Iraq were false. I am not ready to say whether it was done systematically or someone decided to "throw wood on the fire", but the fact remains that the reason for the invasion turned out to be a lie. Yeah, never denied it.
Some of the actions of international coalitions in modern history are also controversial and could have been replaced by a lighter version.
But to deny Russia's invasion of Ukraine, to invent 100500 "official targets of the NWO", to try to justify terrorist bombing of the whole country, residential cities, civilian infrastructure - this is in fact to support terrorism.  Again, if tomorrow someone starts massively bombing Iran's residential cities, pooya87 will be the first to scream about terrorism. But... he should be prepared for the fact that "it's all fair, Iran provoked someone and forbade to speak Persian". Really? Or is there a different kind of truth? That's what I was trying to say and I didn't mean to offend anyone in any way.

PS And to understand what Russia and its official information is, yesterday's statement of M. Zakharova about the purpose of SWO in Ukraine. Sit on the chair, it is difficult to perceive sitting down So, War in UKRAINE - "the Russian Army in the SWO are giving their lives for AFRICANS and OTHERS to be FREE". !  
 
This is an official press conference, an official of the Russian Foreign Ministry. You can easily see for yourself. And for your interest I recommend you also to look in chronology, how many times the "unambiguous goals of the NWO" were changed, in the official statements of the Russian authorities, from February 2022 to today !


But I suggest to return also to the main topic of the post: someone can logically and with arguments answer such questions:
- Why Iran and Russia need a NEW currency for internal relations ?
- What does not suit/profitable Iranian real to Russia ?
- What does not suit/not favor the Russian steering wheel Iran ?
- What actual steps have already been taken ?

[serveria.com]

The potential stablecoin aims to enable cross-border transactions instead of fiat currencies like the U.S. dollar, the Russian ruble or the Iranian rial.

The Central Bank of Iran is reportedly cooperating with the Russian government to jointly issue a new cryptocurrency backed by gold.

According to the Russian news agency Vedomosti, Iran is working with Russia to create a “token of the Persian Gulf region” that would serve as a payment method in foreign trade.

The token is projected to be issued in the form of a stablecoin backed by gold, according to Alexander Brazhnikov, executive director of the Russian Association of Crypto Industry and Blockchain.

The stablecoin aims to enable cross-border transactions instead of fiat currencies like the United States dollar, the Russian ruble or the Iranian rial. The report notes that the potential cryptocurrency would operate in a special economic zone in Astrakhan, where Russia started to accept Iranian cargo shipments.

Russian lawmaker Anton Tkachev, a member of the Committee on Information Policy, Information Technology and Communications, stressed that a joint stablecoin project would only be possible once the digital asset market is fully regulated in Russia. After multiple delays, the Russian lower house of parliament once again promised to start regulating crypto transactions in 2023.

Iran and Russia are among the countries that banned their residents from using cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin BTCtickers down
$20,921 and stablecoins like Tether (USDT) for payments. At the same time, Iran and Russia have been actively working to adopt crypto as a tool of foreign trade.

In August 2022, Iran’s Industry, Mines and Trade Ministry approved the use of cryptocurrency for imports into the country amid ongoing international trade sanctions. The local government said the new measures would help Iran mitigate global trade sanctions. Iran subsequently placed its first international import order using $10 million worth of crypto.

The Bank of Russia — historically opposed to using crypto as a payment method — agreed to allow crypto in foreign trade to mitigate the impact of international sanctions. The regulator has never clarified which cryptocurrencies would be used for such transactions though.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/iran-and-russia-want-to-issue-new-stablecoin-backed-by-gold

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Iran and russia want to issue a stablecoin?! This world is becoming crazier by the day.

I would guess their first kneejerk reaction was to simply use gold. Then they realized if they digitized it. They could simply move digital funds from one account to another account. Which is easier and more efficient than shipping heavy piles of gold across long distances. But then who would cover development costs of what could easily become a multi million dollar project? Then they realized, if they used free open source code from crypto projects, they wouldn't have to pay software development costs and would only need servers to run it and personnel to maintain it.

So it seems that crypto and stablecoins may become a natural progression for corporations and nations of the world who are attempting to solve basic and fundamental problems of economy. Such as developing and deploying financial systems to facilitate transactions denominated in gold. Rather than starting from zero and building systems upwards to achieve basic and fundamental financial tasks.

Sounds like complete nonsense! Another useless "stablecoin" with no real-world application. Why not just embrace Bitcoin and use it instead? I guess people in charge there (in Russia and Iran) just don't have enough technical knowledge and understanding of what Bitcoin is.

[panganib999]

Sounds like complete nonsense! Another useless "stablecoin" with no real-world application. Why not just embrace Bitcoin and use it instead? I guess people in charge there (in Russia and Iran) just don't have enough technical knowledge and understanding of what Bitcoin is.

Uhm. There is real use-case for this. And I figured it's much better for them to use their own stablecoin than bring bitcoin into the equation. For one, it's going to absolve bitcoin of any problem that the stablecoin may face and commit to especially in the legislative side of this equation, cause for all we know these two countries are in the bad side of the bed as of now. Another would be the fact that they want to profit off of this venture, which bitcoin wouldn't exactly be able to do since it's decentralized and does not need outside maintenance for it to operate.

I say let them do whatever they want if it's not at the expense of the cryptocurrency industry getting flak and hate from the outside world.

[DrBeer]

Sounds like complete nonsense! Another useless "stablecoin" with no real-world application. Why not just embrace Bitcoin and use it instead? I guess people in charge there (in Russia and Iran) just don't have enough technical knowledge and understanding of what Bitcoin is.

Uhm. There is real use-case for this. And I figured it's much better for them to use their own stablecoin than bring bitcoin into the equation. For one, it's going to absolve bitcoin of any problem that the stablecoin may face and commit to especially in the legislative side of this equation, cause for all we know these two countries are in the bad side of the bed as of now. Another would be the fact that they want to profit off of this venture, which bitcoin wouldn't exactly be able to do since it's decentralized and does not need outside maintenance for it to operate.

I say let them do whatever they want if it's not at the expense of the cryptocurrency industry getting flak and hate from the outside world.

Dear panganib999 ! Question - don't you want, for example, to issue your own currency? The expected question from you is - WHY?
Try to answer the question why Iran and Russia should issue some other monetary surrogate, provided that they are "friends" and have their own national currencies ? Try to explain the logic of this event ?
All these "new currencies", "unparalleled solutions" and so on are "dust in the eyes", populism and an attempt to divert attention from the real problems that they cannot solve (after all, both are rogue countries).
This solution does NOT solve a single problem, that's the fact. If you can prove otherwise - I will listen to you with pleasure !

[Wong Gendheng]

Gold of course is the most trusted commodity in the world, when there is an economic problem between countries, the best solution is to use Gold, it is natural that many countries including Iran and Russia plans to use Gold for the basis of money so that anyone will be optimistic about the plan.

[DrBeer]

Gold of course is the most trusted commodity in the world, when there is an economic problem between countries, the best solution is to use Gold, it is natural that many countries including Iran and Russia plans to use Gold for the basis of money so that anyone will be optimistic about the plan.

Misconception. No, I'm not talking about gold, I'm talking about Iran and Russia. Russia is trying to sell off its gold reserves, but it is not all smooth sailing there either - sanctions. Just like Iran.
The idea of mutual settlements between Iran and Russia in gold is also very fantastic. If the trade balance is commensurable - what is the point of complicating the scheme of settlements in local currencies? Although I understand - Iran does not need rubles, Russia does not need reals
But chasing gold back and forth is also stupid ...
Or if the balance, for example, in favor of Iran - Russia will simply "drain" gold. And given that the main product that Russia is buying from Iran is drones for terrorism, it will be a net loss for the Russian economy - drones do not help the economy, this is a purely costly item.

[justdimin]

Gold of course is the most trusted commodity in the world, when there is an economic problem between countries, the best solution is to use Gold, it is natural that many countries including Iran and Russia plans to use Gold for the basis of money so that anyone will be optimistic about the plan.

I would understand using gold to back your currency, that wouldn't be a bad idea but it would limit your growth a lot as well, however if it's done properly then I could see why someone would want something like that. However, if we are talking about a situation like making a stablecoin backed by gold, that would be bit different, it would take us back to medici family periods.

I mean you would be giving your gold to someone and getting a paper for it instead, and that results with people not really backing it but looking like backing it. It would be like "I put 2 golds in here, but you give me paper for 4 golds, and I will give 1 back to you" type of corruption and people would do that and things will get much worse there.

[pooya87]

It does not require super intelligence to read history and deduce the course of events. But I remain shocked when I meet some who live in a state of complete denial of the facts and refuse even to change the angle of analysis.
Recently, I was in a discussion in the French board with some members there who do not even admit that France is a colonial country and that it had (and still does) own colonies in Africa and that it bears a large part of the crises of those countries. I was shocked that I found some convinced that France was spreading civilization and the principles of freedom, and at the same time they do not have an explanation for why more than a million and a half Algerians were killed during the war of liberation only (1962), in addition to millions who were killed in colonialism that continued for more than a century (1830-1962).

It's the worst when they deny facts.
In the end it doesn't matter what people say though, specially those living far away who can't even point to your country on the map. The only thing that matters is the strength you have and most importantly rulers who know what to do.

If Africa were strong, they would have never been colonized in first place. The only good news is that it is starting to change. We have seen multiple African countries kicking the Western Colonizers including French ones out of their country. The latest one was Niger that was providing gold and uranium of France practically for free.

Another good example is Ukraine. I have seen many Ukrainians saying if they hadn't been fooled into being disarmed this war would have never happened, that's what unwise rulers do to a country. See the picture I posted below, this is the saddest thing I saw. It shows the remainders of some of the missiles Russia used in Ukraine. They claim these missiles used to belong to Ukraine but were given to Russia back when US+NATO+Russia fooled Ukraine into disarming. The worst part is that Ukrainian people celebrated the day they were disarmed.
And when I say disarmed I don't mean giving up nukes, they gave up all their military strength on multiple occasions. To this day Ukraine is not allowed to manufacture anything medium or long range, like missiles that can fly more than 100 to 300 km!

[DrBeer]

It's the worst when they deny facts.
In the end it doesn't matter what people say though, specially those living far away who can't even point to your country on the map. The only thing that matters is the strength you have and most importantly rulers who know what to do.

If Africa were strong, they would have never been colonized in first place. The only good news is that it is starting to change. We have seen multiple African countries kicking the Western Colonizers including French ones out of their country. The latest one was Niger that was providing gold and uranium of France practically for free.

Another good example is Ukraine. I have seen many Ukrainians saying if they hadn't been fooled into being disarmed this war would have never happened, that's what unwise rulers do to a country. See the picture I posted below, this is the saddest thing I saw. It shows the remainders of some of the missiles Russia used in Ukraine. They claim these missiles used to belong to Ukraine but were given to Russia back when US+NATO+Russia fooled Ukraine into disarming. The worst part is that Ukrainian people celebrated the day they were disarmed.
And when I say disarmed I don't mean giving up nukes, they gave up all their military strength on multiple occasions. To this day Ukraine is not allowed to manufacture anything medium or long range, like missiles that can fly more than 100 to 300 km!

I applaud! That's a great answer! Seriously !

This is the best proof that having any business or arrangement with Russia is less valuable than a piece of shit !

Russia will always lie and cheat.

By the way - why didn't you attach to these photos a link to the signed Budapest Memorandum, which spells out the terms on the basis of which it gave Russia its nuclear arsenal, at that time the THIRD in the world, after the U.S. and Russia.

The reasons why russia was given these missiles, and many other weapons, is the "work" of the pro-Russian corrupt Ukrainian government, when they paid with it for gas and other personal preferences.

By the way, you really habitually lied here, making up the story about "US-NATO-Russia disarmed Ukraine" but I am not surprised, I know your usual behavior

That is why in 2013/2014 the people of Ukraine came out to protest against Yanukovych - another "Putin's lap dog". Which was one of the key reasons for the Russian invasion of Ukraine....

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It does not require super intelligence to read history and deduce the course of events. But I remain shocked when I meet some who live in a state of complete denial of the facts and refuse even to change the angle of analysis.
Recently, I was in a discussion in the French board with some members there who do not even admit that France is a colonial country and that it had (and still does) own colonies in Africa and that it bears a large part of the crises of those countries. I was shocked that I found some convinced that France was spreading civilization and the principles of freedom, and at the same time they do not have an explanation for why more than a million and a half Algerians were killed during the war of liberation only (1962), in addition to millions who were killed in colonialism that continued for more than a century (1830-1962).

It's the worst when they deny facts.
In the end it doesn't matter what people say though, specially those living far away who can't even point to your country on the map. The only thing that matters is the strength you have and most importantly rulers who know what to do.

If Africa were strong, they would have never been colonized in first place. The only good news is that it is starting to change. We have seen multiple African countries kicking the Western Colonizers including French ones out of their country. The latest one was Niger that was providing gold and uranium of France practically for free.

Another good example is Ukraine. I have seen many Ukrainians saying if they hadn't been fooled into being disarmed this war would have never happened, that's what unwise rulers do to a country. See the picture I posted below, this is the saddest thing I saw. It shows the remainders of some of the missiles Russia used in Ukraine. They claim these missiles used to belong to Ukraine but were given to Russia back when US+NATO+Russia fooled Ukraine into disarming. The worst part is that Ukrainian people celebrated the day they were disarmed.
And when I say disarmed I don't mean giving up nukes, they gave up all their military strength on multiple occasions. To this day Ukraine is not allowed to manufacture anything medium or long range, like missiles that can fly more than 100 to 300 km!

About Africa, most of the countries on this continent have been systematically impoverished for centuries. And France is one of the most important actors in what happened and is happening to the Africans, which even after ending direct colonialism (militarily) installed rulers loyal to it to ensure that it obtained the capabilities of those countries in exchange for providing some protection for the corrupt in those countries. I am very happy to see changes taking place in some African countries. At least this is enough to convince the people of those colonial countries that their governments establish civilization on the bodies of slaves in the colonies and from the resources of other countries whose people die of starvation.
About Ukraine, Russia has always considered it part of Russian territory, and there is almost no escape from this war, whether NATO supports it or not. Ukraine's biggest mistake is the dismantling of its military system, including advanced nuclear weapons. for what? This was in exchange for nothing but the approval of the major international powers. Today Belarus gets nuclear missile platforms for free from Russia, while Ukraine begs countries to secure itself at least partially.

[rikybrosh]

Gold of course is the most trusted commodity in the world, when there is an economic problem between countries, the best solution is to use Gold, it is natural that many countries including Iran and Russia plans to use Gold for the basis of money so that anyone will be optimistic about the plan.

I also feel so optimistic about this, Actually I am so grateful that more country embrace cryptocurrency. i remember in the past there are more country against cryptocurrency than country who embrace it. I think we should appreciate every country or company which even only have plan to use blockchain technology and cryptocurrency.

[dothebeats]

Gold of course is the most trusted commodity in the world, when there is an economic problem between countries, the best solution is to use Gold, it is natural that many countries including Iran and Russia plans to use Gold for the basis of money so that anyone will be optimistic about the plan.

I also feel so optimistic about this, Actually I am so grateful that more country embrace cryptocurrency. i remember in the past there are more country against cryptocurrency than country who embrace it. I think we should appreciate every country or company which even only have plan to use blockchain technology and cryptocurrency.

I myself am also glad about this, countries accepting cryptocurrency is a huge thing and will cause good development. However, am I the only one a little skeptical about this sudden acceptance and development from these several countries? Granted they probably have a reason to accept cryptocurrency but knowing how government works and their mind for money it makes me a little worried.

[STT]

Not sure I trust either of them and they should make it oil not gold surely.   They could be believed to provide backing if it was oil but gold is harder to get.  Gold is related to oil pricing anyhow.
   This isnt big news to me anymore then when Venezuela announced their new involvement in cryptocurrency, it was centralized and had no real link to their oil reserves which are the largest in the world.  All that happened there was the same failure existing in their paper currency, they require efficiency to extract their resources and there was no real utility in the digital standard only perhaps they can save paper and ink on printing.    I dont mind being proven wrong if some achievement is made but I doubt it.

[blckhawk]

Sounds quite a lot like a desperate long shot though too... Why does Russia need to team up with someone to do this, are they doing THAT badly on their own? I thought they'd have a decent enough development firm for something like this at least, or is this more of a strengthening ties exercise (to which, maybe they don't need the currency anyway).

Iran is a strategic ally of Syria and Russians have helped al-Assad to be in power, if I recall correctly, didn't the Russian Spetsnaz helped in removal of the anti-Soviet government back then or is that a different country in Middle East? Also, Russia has been a supplier of weapons for the Syrian government for a long time now and by extension that makes them an ally of Iran. I think the most obvious reason why they do this is because they all have a common enemy (USA). If you are surprised that they can't do this on their own then probably you overestimate the capabilities of the Russian government, with the rifeness of corruption of the Putin regime, I don't think that competence and efficiency is really a thing there, maybe if we look at individuals out there we can see that they can do it but if it involves the government, I don't think so.

So what they're trying to do here is trying to create the old school Gold Standard but in a digital format? There's a reason why that was abolished so I don't know why they keep sticking to that system, hopefully someone can explain any good reason why this is a good idea? I can't wrap my head around the idea of currency in any form being backed by gold.

[DrBeer]

One simple question to those who really think this scam will have a solution:
Please tell me, what will be the mechanisms for proving the gold backing of this ethereal currency?
Just to say that "here is a new currency - rubreal, and it is backed by 100500 tons of gold" is a simple sound, behind which there is nothing ! I am sure that none of the above mentioned countries will allow real audit of gold reserves ...

Besides, collateralization means that at any moment you can exchange such currency for the very gold that secures it. I can't say anything about Iran, I haven't studied the information, but there are sanctions against Russia and its gold, which prohibit or very much restrict work with Russian gold. It turns out the only real person providing this currency with gold will be Iran. And that is if there are no sanctions on their gold

I understand that someone really wants it to be so, but one should be realistic and soberly assess the possibility of such a project.

[pooya87]

Ukraine's biggest mistake is the dismantling of its military system, including advanced nuclear weapons. for what? This was in exchange for nothing but the approval of the major international powers. Today Belarus gets nuclear missile platforms for free from Russia, while Ukraine begs countries to secure itself at least partially.

That's true but I believe the biggest problem Ukraine has is not having an actual politician in the office.
You see, in this world there are "strong" countries and proxy countries. Ukraine is the later while US and Russia are the former. It's not a bad or negative thing to be a "proxy" country, it's just a country that is not as strong as the world powers but it is caught between them (meaning both sides want a piece of it just to compete with each other!).

A good example of such countries is Turkey, a country with little to no natural resources or industries that is geographically located between East and West. But look at the politicians it has. The president called Erdogan as an expert politician who has been Turkey's president ever since 2014 and previously was prime minister and before that was mayor. He basically started in politics ever since 1976. Despite all his dumb mistakes, has beautifully played the role of a proxy country for Turkey. He is neither a full NATO member going against the Eastern powers (eg. blocking Russian exports, obeying US sanctions on Iran, cutting ties with China) nor is he a full Eastern bloc player (eg. cutting ties with US, not participating in NATO wars, etc.). Each time he tries to lean too much on one side, Turkey suffers the consequences. He buys Russian air defense, he loses US weapons; he plays the NATO game the grain deal and energy exports through Turkey fall through, ...

Ukraine can be categorized as the same type of country. But the difference is lack of an actual politician. Compare Erdogan with Zenesky! He has absolutely no idea what "politics" means simply because he has no experience in the field. He is just an actor who has experience to be a comedian not a politician and yet he was "installed" in office. Now Ukraine suffers the consequences of it.
The same problem was with the previous one. He was a politician with experience but he made the mistake of playing too much in favor of Russia so US invaded and orchestrated a coup to remove him.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine's biggest mistake is the dismantling of its military system, including advanced nuclear weapons. for what? This was in exchange for nothing but the approval of the major international powers. Today Belarus gets nuclear missile platforms for free from Russia, while Ukraine begs countries to secure itself at least partially.

That's true but I believe the biggest problem Ukraine has is not having an actual politician in the office.
You see, in this world there are "strong" countries and proxy countries. Ukraine is the later while US and Russia are the former. It's not a bad or negative thing to be a "proxy" country, it's just a country that is not as strong as the world powers but it is caught between them (meaning both sides want a piece of it just to compete with each other!).

A good example of such countries is Turkey, a country with little to no natural resources or industries that is geographically located between East and West. But look at the politicians it has. The president called Erdogan as an expert politician who has been Turkey's president ever since 2014 and previously was prime minister and before that was mayor. He basically started in politics ever since 1976. Despite all his dumb mistakes, has beautifully played the role of a proxy country for Turkey. He is neither a full NATO member going against the Eastern powers (eg. blocking Russian exports, obeying US sanctions on Iran, cutting ties with China) nor is he a full Eastern bloc player (eg. cutting ties with US, not participating in NATO wars, etc.). Each time he tries to lean too much on one side, Turkey suffers the consequences. He buys Russian air defense, he loses US weapons; he plays the NATO game the grain deal and energy exports through Turkey fall through, ...

Ukraine can be categorized as the same type of country. But the difference is lack of an actual politician. Compare Erdogan with Zenesky! He has absolutely no idea what "politics" means simply because he has no experience in the field. He is just an actor who has experience to be a comedian not a politician and yet he was "installed" in office. Now Ukraine suffers the consequences of it.
The same problem was with the previous one. He was a politician with experience but he made the mistake of playing too much in favor of Russia so US invaded and orchestrated a coup to remove him.

Oh, again you have mixed up something, or fantasized

For example, P.A. Poroshenko was and still is an excellent politician, and very well accepted and supported by the world community. It was Poroshenko who was able to gather and activate an anti-Rashist coalition in the world! It was he who openly, without any backsliding called things in his own words !
Now he is actively working on financing of the AFU, leads international meetings, in some places more effective than the current president.
If we talk about today's president Zelensky - it is not my choice. I am sure that in 2022, he had agreements with the Kremlin on a "soft" version of Ukraine's surrender. It was the people of Ukraine, the Ukrainian armed forces, volunteer battalions... that prevented him. And questions to Zelensky, after the end of the war will be very many, and very difficult, where perhaps even presidential immunity will not help. Part of the actions just before the start of the war, can not be called anything other than sabotage of the AFU, the military industry, and much more, which may even stretch to "treason".

Well, and thanks for the wonderful joke "you see, in this world there are "strong" countries and puppet countries. Ukraine is the latter, and the US and Russia are the former."

Russia is the last in everything - nothing depends on it, all its "friends" wipe their feet on it. and the only danger is international terrorism, which Russia led.
And about puppets - isn't the Chinese puppet, "great" Russia? Isn't it a raw material appendage of China?
Do you want to describe the word "puppet" and give verifiable arguments that for example Ukraine is a puppet and Russia is not? Try it, I'm sure you will look funny as always


"playing too much in Russia's favor, so the US invaded and organized a coup to oust him." - sobbing 

I wrote above, but you are strangely, selectively, forgot another president - Poroshenko P.A., why ?

Yanukovych was ousted by the people. Shall I tell you how the Maidan started and went on ? I was there personally, I know how it started. And tales of invasion are just a convenient excuse and an attempt to hide from the population the fact that the People are the power and the People can both elect and remove the President if he broke his promises ! For all totalitarian regimes like the Kremlin, Iran, North Korea and the like, this reality is like death. That's why they put into the heads of not very intelligent population that "the USA did it all". For the uneducated and degraded population, it's a good "fairy tale."

Or can you tell here your fairy tale version of the events of 2013/2014 ? Tell us ! 

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Ukraine's biggest mistake is the dismantling of its military system, including advanced nuclear weapons. for what? This was in exchange for nothing but the approval of the major international powers. Today Belarus gets nuclear missile platforms for free from Russia, while Ukraine begs countries to secure itself at least partially.

That's true but I believe the biggest problem Ukraine has is not having an actual politician in the office.
You see, in this world there are "strong" countries and proxy countries. Ukraine is the later while US and Russia are the former. It's not a bad or negative thing to be a "proxy" country, it's just a country that is not as strong as the world powers but it is caught between them (meaning both sides want a piece of it just to compete with each other!).

Ukraine can be categorized as the same type of country. But the difference is lack of an actual politician. Compare Erdogan with Zenesky! He has absolutely no idea what "politics" means simply because he has no experience in the field. He is just an actor who has experience to be a comedian not a politician and yet he was "installed" in office. Now Ukraine suffers the consequences of it.
The same problem was with the previous one. He was a politician with experience but he made the mistake of playing too much in favor of Russia so US invaded and orchestrated a coup to remove him.

In many cases, the curse of countries is in their location. Ukraine is one of those countries because its location made it like the dividing line between two major world powers. The Soviet Union against the former Allied forces, and today between Russia and the western axis led by the United States. Ukraine is a productive agricultural and industrial country, and it is considered the lifeblood of the world in view of the abundance of agricultural production, but its location has made it a place of ambition for everyone, especially the disparate forces that wanted to make Ukraine a semi-neutral region without any regard for the will of the Ukrainian people and what they want to be. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was stripped of its military arsenal so as not to pose a potential threat to the Western powers, and Russia sought not to join the European Union or NATO in order to keep its western borders with its enemies safe.
I mean, even if good politicians appear, they will be loyal to one of the two sides of the force, and the other party will necessarily object to it. President Zelensky is a Western desire to fuel the conflict with Russia, which refused NATO to carry out military maneuvers on its borders and occupied the entire Crimea island in 2014.