This Smells Like Hypocrisy

[DevilSlayer]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

How funny this is, lolz. It's like saying I don't smoke but I love inhaling it smell when other smoke. So what then makes the difference in that?
You know in our societies nowadays most government's do make certain laws to favour their interest, it could be that certain top government officials have horse racing is part of their hobby and so they need not to exclude that and other kinds of means of gambling that interest them at the top thereby putting a ban only on those that are out of their league of interest. If not why the sentimental ban on gambling activities, when gambling in any format is still gambling no matter how anyone might wanna paint it.

It can be a factor why Japanese have low criminal rates and why they have high life expentancy, if there are only few games available in Japan like betting in horse or lottery then it is possible that it can be a factor. In my country there are people who keep getting depressed after they lose money in major casinos and the worst case scenario is they do illegal things where they do a robbery, scam and many more just to regain the money that they lost. There are also people who becoming mentally sick because of losing huge money in gambling that can cause them to have low life expentancy.

There maybe a certain reason why the gambling in Japan became a criminal offense but I'm sure even though it is illegal there. There are still residents there who are accessing online gambling sites or maybe there is a underground casino that is operating in Japan where the officials do not know about it.

[Cling18]

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As far as I know Japanese are forbidden to gamble online, except for those that are not on the list of allowed games, but as we all know this restriction is easily circumvented by gambling in online casino which is in other jurisdictions and as far as I know Japanese authorities are not even trying to fight it. So really the Japanese are not as restricted in gambling as the OP suggests.

If they will ban it, they should have set specific rules and released unrestricted games so their citizens will not be confused. Others might never know that they are already playing forbidden gambling games. However, they could have their own rule and law as a country because they might have different analyses about gamblingbut I hope that they willbe clearer about this case to their people.

[KTChampions]

Oh, you reminded me of state lotteries and I remembered a topic from last year where it was discussed that the winner of such a lottery (I think in the USA) from his winnings had to pay an absolutely insane share of taxes (well over 50%). Isn't that hyper hypocrisy? The state lottery initially takes 50% of the money for itself, then the winners are robbed of huge taxes, and as a result, what is the RTP of the lottery? 10%? What idiot would play this shit 

And then you are taxed on every single purchase you make as you need to pay a sales tax as well, which makes it even worse as the amount of money you are allowed to keep is many times lower than what you believe you won, but there is not much which can be done about it as the lottery is probably one of the most popular gambling games as with a very small amount of money a fortune can be gained, and for those that wish to become millionaires without working hard towards that goal this is their only escape.

If we take the simplest case when a person does not want to think / work, then yes, this is the easiest option to try your luck. But it seems to me that multi-betting will give the best odds. Or even go to the casino and three times in a row (or ten times in a row - depending on what chances the player wants to get) to bet on the same number will also give a better RTP than the lottery. In general, the lottery is the worst gambling game in existence in all respects except for simplicity.

[traderethereum]

Yes, you do have a point there, but don't you think wouldn't that be risky? Knowing fully well that in as much as we have online casinos, some casinos restrict certain regions, and how sure are you Japan isn't restricted by most online casinos due to it's anti-gambling policy. As using VPN to create an account on any of those may end up causing yourself more harm than good (I.e when emergency arrives and there is need to verify KYC). But one thing  certain is that if "gambling" is banned in Japan, they most have a reason for it.

The risk is still there, whether we know it or not, but even if we play in online casinos while our country prohibits all forms of gambling, we can get into trouble later on, especially if our government investigates their citizens when they surf the internet.
And while we still want to gamble at online casinos using a VPN, it can still be against your country's regulations.
And we also don't know the real intention of the Japanese government in prohibiting certain types of gambling except for gambling games that the Japanese government permits.

Yes, I do not deny that the risk is not there, but it's more riskier in Japan than any other country, because gambling on any online casino while still on Japanese soil is considered as a big criminal offence, of which if you are found guilty for gambling, it's punishment according to the "Article 185 of the Penal Code" is that such individual shall be fine to pay a sum not more than ¥500,000, unless such gambling was made for the purpose of amusement. And the official age for gambling is given to be 20yrs and above, (i.e only on the regulated games by the Japanese Government)

That means if someone is gambling in an online casino and is caught by the Japanese government, they can immediately get into trouble and be found guilty.
Will the Japanese government block all online casinos on the internet if they implement this regulation?
Because that means they are really serious about not allowing gambling beyond what they have written so that no one will dare to try playing gambling at online casinos.
But I think underground casinos are still operating and controlled by a powerful group of people who may have connections to the Japanese government.

[Strongkored]

Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

Laws are made by humans and in fact humans always have double standards especially when it comes to their likes or dislikes it will be seen as hypocritical, and when it comes to gambling you will see many other hypocrisies carried out by the government, saying gambling is a bad thing but providing island or place as a place for people to be able to gather to gamble knowing money can change everything.

[Moneyprism]

the same as in my country, here is a Muslim-majority country that strictly prohibits the practice of gambling,, but the funny thing is there are still many people who invest in options or other forms of gambling,, and I also remember that some time ago there was an ustadz who promoted investment options and once traced it turns out that the investment platform makes all of their customer's money in horse racing, even here there are many online gambling companies that pay officials or the police/army to be able to secure their business .. this is very funny

[Kasabus]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

We don't know what really happened there and why it was like that.
If from my point of view and mindset, maybe because betting on a match that is supervised by the government is permitted and legalized because the tax that is given is quite large and in accordance with what has been legalized.
If you say hypocrite, yes, hypocrite because they allow several types of betting, but on the other hand, they also prohibit gambling activities in the form of games or other bets.

I believe horse racing is part of their yearly tradition so it’s hard to banned something like that since people have been used witnessing that. But for lottery, most likely the tax they are getting from it are huge so it can be very helpful in financing the social and economic infrastructure of a country. Except for those who are banned because they are not helping the country at all and only the casino owners are mostly benefiting while leaving the citizens totally addicted which eventually ruin their future.

[Vaculin]

Japanese is known for being hard worker and due to their history of rise and fall, There government might want people to focus on working alone instead of wasting time on gambling which we all know how this activity affects work force when a person get addicted.

Those gambling that only allowed was games that is not a quick game. Only pachinko is the only quick result game but it’s not allowed to use money as reward. Japan is very disciplined which is why government wants to protect their culture away from addiction.

In every country, there are set of rules that people are obliged to follow, and I can see that gambling is one factor that the government do not allow their citizens to focus on it and eventually become addicted since that will only affect the productivity of a single person. Although there are some exceptions like horse racing and lottery, but maybe the government have seen that it’s not harming the citizens nor affecting their lifestyle. So I don’t see the government being hypocrite in their decision making.

[BobK71]

Japanese is known for being hard worker and due to their history of rise and fall, There government might want people to focus on working alone instead of wasting time on gambling which we all know how this activity affects work force when a person get addicted.

Those gambling that only allowed was games that is not a quick game. Only pachinko is the only quick result game but it’s not allowed to use money as reward. Japan is very disciplined which is why government wants to protect their culture away from addiction.

In every country, there are set of rules that people are obliged to follow, and I can see that gambling is one factor that the government do not allow their citizens to focus on it and eventually become addicted since that will only affect the productivity of a single person. Although there are some exceptions like horse racing and lottery, but maybe the government have seen that it’s not harming the citizens nor affecting their lifestyle. So I don’t see the government being hypocrite in their decision making.

In some cases, even after knowing the government, it has to play a silent role and sometimes after doing a good research on any matter, if it seems logical, that decision has to be taken. Racing and lottery are popular and the government is able to regulate them. If online gambling is allowed, they may lose control or take greater risks. Since it is the official rule of their country, there is no scope for it to be viewed negatively.

[qwertyup23]

Aren't those sports and games that you mentioned served a huge part in Japan's culture? Maybe that's the reason why. While it may seem like it's hypocrisy, these events and sports that you mentioned doesn't also seem to push lots of gamblers to the edge and into addiction hence why they allow them under the direct supervision of the government. Dice, slots, cards, roulettes, most of these casino games finish fast, and people lose money fast with these games too, and they are more prone into addiction and getting into debt compared to those games/sports you just mentioned.

I agree on your statement.

I guess the gambling that Japan is referring to are the ones that are outside the scope of their tradition. If I remember correctly, there was a video created where a $200 billion dollar gambling game called "pachinko" is a common game in Japan.¹ Technically, gambling is indeed illegal in Japan but there seems to be a circumvention in this game. Though there is no direct exchange of the balls in the pachinko to the arcade, you actually exchange it via cash to black market or backdoor dealers outside.

If you are curious about this game, I highly recommend watching videos on YouTube about it or watch the link that I will be posting below.

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tBy2jemw4s

[virasisog]

Aren't those sports and games that you mentioned served a huge part in Japan's culture? Maybe that's the reason why. While it may seem like it's hypocrisy, these events and sports that you mentioned doesn't also seem to push lots of gamblers to the edge and into addiction hence why they allow them under the direct supervision of the government. Dice, slots, cards, roulettes, most of these casino games finish fast, and people lose money fast with these games too, and they are more prone into addiction and getting into debt compared to those games/sports you just mentioned.

I agree on your statement.

I guess the gambling that Japan is referring to are the ones that are outside the scope of their tradition. If I remember correctly, there was a video created where a $200 billion dollar gambling game called "pachinko" is a common game in Japan.¹ Technically, gambling is indeed illegal in Japan but there seems to be a circumvention in this game. Though there is no direct exchange of the balls in the pachinko to the arcade, you actually exchange it via cash to black market or backdoor dealers outside.

If you are curious about this game, I highly recommend watching videos on YouTube about it or watching the link that I will be posting below.

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tBy2jemw4s

Most countries still allow their traditional games to run legally. Even in our country that restricts some gambling games, the government still supports traditional gambling. I think they just want to protect their culture.
Japanese are well-disciplined people and the government won't allow traditional games to continue in their country if they knew that it would affect their people negatively. It is understandable why they restrict addictive gambling games.

[electronicash]

^ every country has a government-sponsored lottery which helps the government. when the government couldn't generate enough collection, they legalize things to raise funds. i bet in this economic downturn there will be more illegal stuff that will be legal.

a bit of hypocrisy but this doesn't happen in Japan only. many countries around the world made gambling illegal but casinos are in every city.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Gambling is gambling, matterless of whatever the bettor is wagering on...
Okay, I remember a topic that was created in here about the popular game from the trenches - cockfight - ...I shared part of my experience based on my observations from a rural village I visited once... Then before my very eyes, peeps were wagering over 'em, who would actually win? Nobody knows;  that's why they had to bet on it - this time, it was a Scorpion fight though.
So my whole point; anything you're in doubt, want or eagerness to have 'em your way, then you stake your cash in the process, is gambling. I think the Chinese feels that those ones they've granted permissions on - is related or affiliated to the normal sports - not some already programmed shiiii

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[gagux123]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

I believe this may be inconsistent for some people.

I think that this type of gambling/betting in Japan is allowed, or even, there may be some kind of classification and that horse racing, bicycle racing and others are allowed.
What I said is just my thought, don't consider what I said a something conclusive.

[livingfree]

I believe this may be inconsistent for some people.

I think that this type of gambling/betting in Japan is allowed, or even, there may be some kind of classification and that horse racing, bicycle racing and others are allowed.
What I said is just my thought, don't consider what I said a something conclusive.

All I know is that gambling there is allowed.

But yea, there could be some exception depending on where the place there or the municipal there is allowing gambling businesses to operate. I guess it's easy to know when you're there and find some gambling place to stay with an hour or two.

a bit of hypocrisy but this doesn't happen in Japan only. many countries around the world made gambling illegal but casinos are in every city.

That's for sure, each country has their own ways of getting some funds through gambling.

[Silberman]

^ every country has a government-sponsored lottery which helps the government. when the government couldn't generate enough collection, they legalize things to raise funds. i bet in this economic downturn there will be more illegal stuff that will be legal.

a bit of hypocrisy but this doesn't happen in Japan only. many countries around the world made gambling illegal but casinos are in every city.

And this has happened many times on the past, probably the most famous example of this is when the US made alcohol illegal destroying an industry that produced jobs and wealth all around the country and gave it away for free to organized crime, then when the US found itself on the brink of bankruptcy they allowed alcohol to be legal again, so it would not be surprising that during the next years many countries begin to legalize all kind of products which were forbidden before as a way to raise the taxes they are collecting.

[BobK71]

It should not be considered hypocritical. As every country has some rules and regulations. Moreover, in any country, any general rules are made on the basis of which the majority of the people of that country decide. They have to abide by the decision taken by the government after investigating everything. Moreover, not only Japan but gambling is prohibited in many countries of the world but still people of those countries do gambling. Even though it is officially banned, many people do not follow the rules. People of every country want to be independent. Anyone imposing personal interest will be disliked by all. If such rules exist, it is doubtful whether they will be enforce their rules in the future.

[EarnOnVictor]

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As far as I know Japanese are forbidden to gamble online, except for those that are not on the list of allowed games, but as we all know this restriction is easily circumvented by gambling in online casino which is in another jurisdiction and as far as I know Japanese authorities are not even trying to fight it. So really the Japanese are not as restricted in gambling as the OP suggests.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in what the OP has shared, the situation is as it is, at least within the limit of his context, and is that not hypocrisy truly? Why not ban everything gambling if you must do it? Below is what I found on "iclg" to suppose his claim:



And anyone found wanting is triable, that's what I want you to know, forget the fact that the government turned a blind eye, it's against their law. Well, this ban changed nothing as the Japanese are finding ways to gamble online, only that the government is losing and more money is leaving the country. What the government is trying to fight is to avoid foreigners gaining from them through gambling which I don't think is working now.

[len01]

^ every country has a government-sponsored lottery which helps the government. when the government couldn't generate enough collection, they legalize things to raise funds. i bet in this economic downturn there will be more illegal stuff that will be legal.

a bit of hypocrisy but this doesn't happen in Japan only. many countries around the world made gambling illegal but casinos are in every city.

And this has happened many times on the past, probably the most famous example of this is when the US made alcohol illegal destroying an industry that produced jobs and wealth all around the country and gave it away for free to organized crime, then when the US found itself on the brink of bankruptcy they allowed alcohol to be legal again, so it would not be surprising that during the next years many countries begin to legalize all kind of products which were forbidden before as a way to raise the taxes they are collecting.

yes, that's right mate.
in fact, it has often happened in the past that every country would legalize any goods when the country was almost bankrupt.
as a small example in a country that initially banned using crypto and crypto was considered illegal in that country. but in the end the country made new regulations that crypto could be used for investment but could not be used for transaction tools and when many started using crypto for investment in that country, the country started asking for taxes.
so, those are some other examples when a country will do anything to avoid an economic crisis. so as the OP wrote, actually it's not hypocrisy, but it's just that the government or the state also wants to ask for income tax from gambling in order to save the country's economy.

[gagux123]

All I know is that gambling there is allowed.

But yea, there could be some exception depending on where the place there or the municipal there is allowing gambling businesses to operate. I guess it's easy to know when you're there and find some gambling place to stay with an hour or two.

wow, is this serious!!?

I believed and was convinced that gambling/bets were banned in Japan. (of course not ALL 100%)
But I had in mind that few and some kind of casinos, gambling/bets were allowed in this country.

I will carry out further research on this subject that you commented on, by the way, thanks for your response.