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Developed by Casey Rodarmor, he built Ordinals to give its users the ability to transfer individual Satoshis between each other by taking advantage of the Taproot upgrade, which can also store NFT data in Taproot script-path spend scripts.
I'm still learning about it by reading and rereading this blog,
https://read.pourteaux.xyz/p/illegitimate-bitcoin-transactions
n0nce, pooyah, and others who are technical/high IQ, please ELI-5 for the newbies and the plebs like me. Haha.
Plus what's everyone's opinions/thoughts about Ordinals?
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This handbook is a guide to ordinal theory.
Ordinal theory concerns itself with satoshis, giving them individual identities and allowing them to be tracked, transferred, and imbued with meaning
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Satoshis, not bitcoin, are the atomic, native currency of the Bitcoin network. One bitcoin can be sub-divided into 100,000,000 satoshis, but no further.
Ordinal theory does not require a sidechain or token aside from Bitcoin, and can be used without any changes to the Bitcoin network. It works right now.
Ordinal theory imbues satoshis with numismatic value, allowing them to be collected and traded as curios
.
Individual satoshis can be inscribed with arbitrary content, creating unique Bitcoin-native digital artifacts that can be held in Bitcoin wallets and transferred using Bitcoin transactions
. Inscriptions are as durable, immutable, secure, and decentralized as Bitcoin itself.
https://docs.ordinals.com/introduction.html
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
January 31, 2023, 01:17:43 PM
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It's not using OP_RETURN, but it's using conditional branches with OP_PUSH, and also while the article claims the limits on witness data have been relaxed, there is still an overall transaction size limit of 4 (million?) weight units (about 1 vMB), and that data has to be stored elsewhere.
What it's basically saying is you can now use most of the 1MB for NFT-related stuff as well as for anything else, but expect to pay a premium on transaction fees.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
January 31, 2023, 02:47:00 PM
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Quite interesting, I'll have to read up on it a bit.
From the get-go there's two things that bother me though:
(1) Blockchain bloat, since the non-transactional data payload is now only limited by blocksize, rather than OP_RETURN
(2) It would be seriously detrimental to privacy and fungibility
(1) is a discussion that has been around ever since OP_RETURN has been used to store non-transactional data on the Bitcoin blockchain and since this case is no different I'm going to skip over that one.
(2) is in my opinion a bit more serious. While it is addressed in the BIP I'm not quite sure it's quite that simple. For reference:
Quote from:
https://github.com/casey/ord/blob/master/bip.mediawiki
Fungibility: Ordinal numbers reduce the fungibility of Bitcoin, as ordinals received in a transaction may carry with them some public history.
As anyone can send anyone else any sats, any reasonable person will assume that a new owner of a particular sat cannot be understood to be the old owner, or have any particular relationship with the old owner.
I disagree that this objection can be that easily dismissed. Right now, each satoshi is the same. Sure, blockchain analysis exists, but there's nothing to distinguish one satoshi from another on a technical level. Some addresses may be more suspicious to exchanges than others, but in the end a satoshi is a satoshi. Even governments and their regulatory apparatuses know that, so while they try their best to work around these limitations they still accept it.
Have
to accept it.
They won't once we provide tools to assign every single satoshi a unique identifier.
Though it's pointed out in the BIP that Ordinals are "opt-in", this optionality is unlikely to prevail once governments catch wind of this and start making it a requirement. First for exchanges, then for businesses and eventually for consumers. And while "any reasonable person will assume that a new owner of a particular sat cannot be understood to be the old owner" it won't prevent the average Bitcoiner from entering a world of bureaucratic pain whenever a satoshi non grata ends up in their wallet. If you think it's frustrating to be immediately suspect by taking care of your privacy by using a coin mixer, just wait until Ordinals become commonplace.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
January 31, 2023, 10:35:54 PM
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Quote from: HeRetiK on January 31, 2023, 02:47:00 PM
(1) Blockchain bloat, since the non-transactional data payload is now only limited by blocksize, rather than OP_RETURN
I agree; that's why I still believe it's best to have any 'funny business' pushed off-chain e.g. the way
RBG
is doing it.
https://rgb.info/
But I will read about this one later & tell you guys what I think about it.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
February 01, 2023, 04:09:24 AM
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All I have to say on this matter is this won't end well for Bitcoin if this becomes a spam chain.
NFT's are a WASTE of time we are supposed to be focused on being MONEY not a "utility" chain for data.
Satoshi clearly said NO to data on chain when BitDNS was proposed.
I think this is a stupid concept and idea and should not get any attention let's get back to being sound money.. Nothing more.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
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It seems to me like the author is desperately trying to convince the readers (and possibly himself too) that the "controversy" that died over a decade ago still exists! This is exactly why he has to dedicate most of the post about the "controversy" itself instead of explaining the proposal!
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From 2018 to 2019, approximately 20% of all bitcoin transactions were OP_RETURN transactions.
Is he trying to fake the data here?
Correct me if I'm wrong but a quick and dirty comparison between
number of outputs with OP_RETURN
(ignoring small possibility of more than on per tx) and
number of transactions
(look at row count at the bottom) from Jan 2018 to Jan 2019 shows that 8% of the transactions contained OP_RETURN which is nowhere close to 20%!
A short lived
peak
that is mostly from a completely useless altcoin spamming bitcoin blockchain is also not a good argument to revive this dead "controversy".
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You can send one of these NFTs to an existing bitcoin address today. There are challenges, however, as existing bitcoin software does not observe “Ordinal Theory,” and thus satoshis that you have ascribed individual value to might be accidentally spent as a transaction fee or sent as a payment. Thus, there is Ordinal specific software that allows you to track these individual satoshis so they aren't spent accidentally.
In other words it needs another network and rules and side-chains is the place to do all of this!
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From what I can tell, this component of the architecture of Ordinals isn’t controversial at all.
It is not controversial, it is useless
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and already people are storing not just images, but short videos and even a pdf of Satoshi’s white paper on bitcoin’s blockchain.
In other words
people are exploiting Taproot for spamming bitcoin blockchain
with garbage like back in early years where they placed it simply in the output script at any arbitrary size. Suffice it to say that that spam forced the introduction of very limiting standard rules that prevented such spams and the introduction of OP_RETURN with an 80 byte limit to manage the spam size.
In short all I see here is just an exploit of a protocol (Taproot scripts) that was not meant to be used this way so that they can inject arbitrary data that another self-defined and self-enforced protocol can detect and is not detected or enforced by the Bitcoin protocol. Like a side-chain jammed into bitcoin blockchain instead of having its own chain.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
February 01, 2023, 05:30:47 AM
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Quote from: MagicByt3 on February 01, 2023, 04:09:24 AM
All I have to say on this matter is this won't end well for Bitcoin if this becomes a spam chain.
NFT's are a WASTE of time we are supposed to be focused on being MONEY not a "utility" chain for data.
Satoshi clearly said NO to data on chain when BitDNS was proposed.
I think this is a stupid concept and idea and should not get any attention let's get back to being sound money.. Nothing more.
While I do understand what your debating in your post, and I have just researched about the "OP_RETURN Wars" after reading it in NotATether's post, but I have the same question as those other Bitcoiners who may or may not believe that the Bitcoin blockchain should or should not be a "utility chain". What was the use of the OP_RETURN Wars if Taproot would allow people to put arbritary data in the blockchain again freely?
Quote from: pooya87 on February 01, 2023, 04:40:21 AM
In other words
people are exploiting Taproot for spamming bitcoin blockchain
with garbage like back in early years where they placed it simply in the output script at any arbitrary size. Suffice it to say that that spam forced the introduction of very limiting standard rules that prevented such spams and the introduction of OP_RETURN with an 80 byte limit to manage the spam size.
In short all I see here is just an exploit of a protocol (Taproot scripts) that was not meant to be used this way so that they can inject arbitrary data that another self-defined and self-enforced protocol can detect and is not detected or enforced by the Bitcoin protocol. Like a side-chain jammed into bitcoin blockchain instead of having its own chain.
Or a new attack vector. It could be used in different nefarious ways, like bringing unnecessary, extra bloat to the blockchain, and perhaps also make people believe some Satoshis' "serial numbers" are worth more than a Satoshi, causing the currency to be not fungible.
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Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 01, 2023, 05:30:47 AM
What was the use of the OP_RETURN Wars if Taproot would allow people to put arbritary data in the blockchain again freely?
1. Omni layer and other kind of colored coins (nowadays it's called NFT) use OP_RETURN as part of their protocol.
2. Using OP_RETURN allow you to create only 1 transaction.
3. Many block explorer show decoded text from OP_RETURN output, which means higher accessibility.
3. Easier to use. You can even use Electrum to do that.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
February 01, 2023, 02:43:07 PM
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Blockchain bloat, since the non-transactional data payload is now only limited by blocksize, rather than OP_RETURN
It can be solved by using OP_RETURN inside TapScript. Then, scripts are still committed to those addresses, but will never be pushed on-chain, so there will never be more bloat because of that. And then, revealing commitments can be done on a separated network.
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It would be seriously detrimental to privacy and fungibility
For that reason, it should work as a "commitment to a public key", then it could be attached to any address, not only by TapScript, and then it will never be visible outside of that separate network for commitments. Also, those commitments should be connected not to output scripts, but to input scripts, specifically to R-values of signatures, then it will be indistinguishable from a regular payment.
So, all that is needed, is creating a system of commitments, where you can commit any data to a given signature, make a publicly visible transaction, and then, if you reveal your commitment, anyone can validate that it is attached to a given signature. And then, when it comes to storing those commitments, they could be stored only by users, for example in the same way as Lightning Network transactions are only stored by users. But if there is a need to reveal those commitments, then a separate chain can be created for that purpose, it will make it cheaper than pushing it on Bitcoin, and it will be also protected by Bitcoin Proof of Work at the same time, because for each transaction it is possible to attach an SPV proof if needed.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
February 02, 2023, 05:21:13 AM
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Quote from: pooya87 on February 01, 2023, 04:40:21 AM
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and already people are storing not just images, but short videos and even a pdf of Satoshi’s white paper on bitcoin’s blockchain.
In other words
people are exploiting Taproot for spamming bitcoin blockchain
with garbage like back in early years where they placed it simply in the output script at any arbitrary size. Suffice it to say that that spam forced the introduction of very limiting standard rules that prevented such spams and the introduction of OP_RETURN with an 80 byte limit to manage the spam size.
In short all I see here is just an exploit of a protocol (Taproot scripts) that was not meant to be used this way so that they can inject arbitrary data that another self-defined and self-enforced protocol can detect and is not detected or enforced by the Bitcoin protocol. Like a side-chain jammed into bitcoin blockchain instead of having its own chain.
I was reading about this Ordinal thing and, I don't know if it's contrary to what you said, but Peter Todd mentioned about this possibility having always been there since forever. His point is that this isn't about Taproot at all. Taproot didn't change anything. Neither is it even about SegWit as people could already publish "as much you want" data on Bitcoin in P2SH.
[1][2]
Apologies for the ignorance and if this looks like an intrusion of a non-technical pleb. I just need some clarification.
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https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1619692068519149568
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https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1620490422681473024?cxt=HHwWgMDQ3YTdkf0sAAAA
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
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Neither is it even about SegWit as people could already publish "as much you want" data on Bitcoin in P2SH.
1. If you have P2SH, then standardness rules apply. You cannot just "OP_PUSH <anything> OP_DROP" in your script, because it will be non-standard, so only miners could do that.
2. If you want to stick with standard transactions, then you need to express your data as public keys, use trap addresses, or use OP_RETURN. In Segwit, you can also push more data as a witness, but then you need some custom P2WSH, which is standard, and for that reason people can misuse that.
So yes, you can put any data in your transaction, but if you don't use witness, then it is more expensive, or even non-standard. Also, in practice you don't need to push everything into your transaction, you can just create a commitment, and send your message in some cheaper and more private way, as vjudeu said.
Hold your horses before deploying blockchain-related things. You don't want to deploy SHA-1 collision without deploying hardened SHA-1. Once you reveal some code, and make it Open Source, there is no "undo" button. Once you share some idea, there is no way to erase it from reader's memory.
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Yesterday someone decide to create an NFT[1] which has size 3915537 bytes with 0 tx fee[2]. I can't believe pool Luxor (which mine that transaction) would rather mint an NFT rather than earning more Bitcoin from tx fee. They even made tweet about it[3], where the response isn't positive.
[1]
https://ordinals.com/inscription/0301e0480b374b32851a9462db29dc19fe830a7f7d7a88b81612b9d42099c0aei0
[2]
https://mempool.space/tx/0301e0480b374b32851a9462db29dc19fe830a7f7d7a88b81612b9d42099c0ae
[3]
https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/1620921129287430144
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
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Quote from: ETFbitcoin on February 02, 2023, 09:27:39 AM
Yesterday someone decide to create an NFT[1] which has size 3915537 bytes with 0 tx fee[2]. I can't believe pool Luxor (which mine that transaction) would rather mint an NFT rather than earning more Bitcoin from tx fee. They even made tweet about it[3], where the response isn't positive.
[1]
https://ordinals.com/inscription/0301e0480b374b32851a9462db29dc19fe830a7f7d7a88b81612b9d42099c0aei0
[2]
https://mempool.space/tx/0301e0480b374b32851a9462db29dc19fe830a7f7d7a88b81612b9d42099c0ae
[3]
https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/1620921129287430144
Oof. Imagine we'd get rid of blocksize restrictions like some folks would have us had a couple years ago. Someone would have probably added the Lord of the Rings extended edition by now. If not via Taproot, then by using some other means.
Either way, nice stunt, I guess? Just goes to show the importance of a healthy fee market though.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
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Quote from: HeRetiK on February 02, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: ETFbitcoin on February 02, 2023, 09:27:39 AM
--snip--
Oof. Imagine we'd get rid of blocksize restrictions like some folks would have us had a couple years ago. Someone would have probably added the Lord of the Rings extended edition by now. If not via Taproot, then by using some other means.
Perhaps. We've seen people tried to to store weather data[1] or 2GB of multiple duplicate image on BSV network.
Quote from: HeRetiK on February 02, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Either way, nice stunt, I guess?
Yeah, i learned existence of Luxor from this stunt.
Quote from: HeRetiK on February 02, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Just goes to show the importance of a healthy fee market though.
People doesn't seem to mind pay the transaction when the size to is only few hundred bytes[3] to few KB[4] though.
[1]
https://thenextweb.com/news/bitcoin-satoshi-vision-bsv-activity-transactions-weather-cryptocurrency-blockchain
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
February 02, 2023, 12:30:58 PM
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Quote from: ETFbitcoin on February 02, 2023, 09:27:39 AM
Yesterday someone decide to create an NFT[1] which has size 3915537 bytes with 0 tx fee[2]. I can't believe pool Luxor (which mine that transaction) would rather mint an NFT rather than earning more Bitcoin from tx fee. They even made tweet about it[3], where the response isn't positive.
[1]
https://ordinals.com/inscription/0301e0480b374b32851a9462db29dc19fe830a7f7d7a88b81612b9d42099c0aei0
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https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/1620921129287430144
This is terrible news for Bitcoin is bitcoin just following the pack of shitcoins now by allowing NFT's and data on-chain...
Bitcoin was supposed to be money nothing more nothing less this won't end well for Bitcoin in my view this will lead to the death of hardcore supported not being able to run nodes.
Do we really want to be BSV 2.0 I highly doubt that. Fee market or not bitcoin chain is NOT for shitty JPEGs
Really disappointed to see this happening to bitcoin we have clearly lost our way.
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February 02, 2023, 12:59:48 PM
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This is terrible news for Bitcoin is bitcoin just following the pack of shitcoins now by allowing NFT's and data on-chain...
To be fair though, the developers had nothing to do with this.
When they made Taproot, they clearly did not have NFTs in mind as one of the possible use cases for it. "A framework for smart contracts" is the closest they've ever gotten to reasoning for Taproot during the many years of debating it in the mailing list, and even that did not quite take off properly - since things like DLCs are still niche.
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Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory
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Quote from: HeRetiK on February 02, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Just goes to show the importance of a healthy fee market though.
Or the importance of designing your blockchain so that transactions can include no more free data than what fits in a past lockheight (between 2 and 3 bytes).
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Quote from: MagicByt3 on February 02, 2023, 12:30:58 PM
This is terrible news for Bitcoin is bitcoin just following the pack of shitcoins now by allowing NFT's and data on-chain...
When it comes to blockchain bloat this is mostly a rehash of the OP_Return discussion we had in 2013/14. The projects back then did bring something new to the table by enabling things like Tether and early proto-NFTs. Their impact can't be understated, regardless of whether one likes these projects or not.
Either way, my worry is limited. On-chain minting of oversized NFTs isn't really sustainable given a strict enough blocksize limit.
Quote from: tromp on February 02, 2023, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: HeRetiK on February 02, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Just goes to show the importance of a healthy fee market though.
Or the importance of designing your blockchain so that transactions can include no more free data than what fits in a past lockheight (between 2 and 3 bytes).
Yes, it's going to be interesting to see whether there will be a "fix" for this, assuming it becomes necessary. If this becomes a problem it will not be easy to get the miners on board though, as it is in their interest to have the blocks as full as possible, regardless of whether they are filled with monetary transactions or other data.
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This is my take: I don't get the bad part. All I know is that blocks contain information. Whether that's financial or arbitrary is none of my business. Each byte comes at the same cost, regardless of how it's used. I noticed a lot of toxic response to this Ordinal theory, especially from some Twitter accounts like
this one
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What were the OP_RETURN wars about? Making large OP_RETURN scripts non-standard? How so? What's the problem?
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February 02, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 02, 2023, 02:03:20 PM
This is my take: I don't get the bad part. All I know is that blocks contain information. Whether that's financial or arbitrary is none of my business. Each byte comes at the same cost, regardless of how it's used. I noticed a lot of toxic response to this Ordinal theory, especially from some Twitter accounts like
this one
. Some Bitcoiners appear to impose their morality upon how the protocol should be used. Do I need to remind that we're talking about a freedom protocol here?
We have spam attack then we have spam attack with an incentive. This is the later.
In a spam attack when someone is pushing garbage into the blockchain (as it is a "freedom protocol") the fee market kicks in and increases the cost for them. They won't have the incentive to continue pushing the garbage to the blockchain.
When there is incentive (meaning a useless token with actual price that they can sell for real money to cover the cost of the spam attack) then the fee market is only harming the real regular uses trying to send bitcoin around since the attacker is earning money to spam the network.
This is not the OP_RETURN discussions at all. This is that altcoin that used to be "mined" by pushing its hash into bitcoin chain. As long as it was being pumped, they spammed the hell out of bitcoin blockchain and as soon as it got dumped the spam died too.
Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 02, 2023, 02:03:20 PM
What were the OP_RETURN wars about? Making large OP_RETURN scripts non-standard? How so? What's the problem?
AFAIK it was from back when people were starting to use scriptpub to push arbitrary data with any size to the blockchain. That created chain block and chainstate bloat (the node had to load all that unspedable data to memory). Then they introduced OP_RETURN and its rules as a "prunable output" to be used when you want to push arbitrary data to the chain.
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