[0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING

[PlayBetr]

I apologize, that issue is about Playbetr. The player in question got their money back from Playbetr after contacting thepogg.com. It wasn't Betcoin. I will edit my previous post to correct the information.

Playbetr has never lost a mediation at ThePogg or anywhere else.
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints

[cru7ufy]

I apologize, that issue is about Playbetr. The player in question got their money back from Playbetr after contacting thepogg.com. It wasn't Betcoin. I will edit my previous post to correct the information.

Playbetr has never lost a mediation at ThePogg or anywhere else.
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints
Stop cheating and find a new job. We all know what you are doing and no one is going to succumb to your extortion attempts.

Haha you are disgusting scammers. Don't think you are getting away with this. You still have not came out and explained what rule or term I broke. Nobody is cheating. You are just scumbags who take fair peoples money for no reason. Ruining the crypto betting community. I'm still waiting for an explanation. And you will hear from multiple mediation sites or lawyers soon, don't worry.

[Pmalek]

Playbetr has never lost a mediation at ThePogg or anywhere else.
https://thepogg.com/casino-review/playbetr/#complaints

I am not familiar with your complaints history. The player whose post got quoted (that I quoted subsequently) claimed that he received his money after complaining using ThePogg as a mediator. I don't know whether that is true or not.

Stop cheating and find a new job. We all know what you are doing and no one is going to succumb to your extortion attempts.

You quoted the wrong person with that recommendation and life lesson. I am not the OP of this thread and the alleged cheater. cru7ufy is.

[PlayBetr]

I am not the OP of this thread and the alleged cheater. cru7ufy is.

Our sincere apologies. That is not how we intended it to come across! We were clearly referring to the OP in this case.

[cru7ufy]

I am not the OP of this thread and the alleged cheater. cru7ufy is.

Our sincere apologies. That is not how we intended it to come across! We were clearly referring to the OP in this case.

You have still not explained how I'm "cheating". Being a good bettor = cheating? Is that actually how you define cheating? I'm waiting for an explanation 1 month later. Scared scammers.

[Pmalek]

Hand over your case to one or more 3rd-party mediation service providers and have them get involved in the case. As long as the casino is willing to cooperate and provide evidence to them, it's the next best thing. Have you gotten in touch with any other sites expect ThePogg and which ones? It might be good to have them on file for reference.

@PlayBetr
What other mediators accept complaints against PlayBetr?

[cruso]

Obviously winners are not welcome on both sites and they won’t give you a valid reason because they don't have one. It won't be the first time users have expressed concerns about the reliability and security of betcoin and playbetr. There have been reports of delayed payments, missing funds, and other issues with both platforms. Additionally, customer support can be unresponsive and unhelpful in cases like this. OP, they don't want to pay you - this is their business model - and will most likely not pay you and get away with it, unless something drastic happens to change their mind.

[cru7ufy]

I'll be writing about this on every forum in the world and making people aware of this scam. How can a company care so much about their reputation yet scam innocent players?! Joke

[PlayBetr]

As it is unlikely the player will return to update with the results of the mediation, we would like to do so at this time:
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/

This player has cost us 10s of thousands of dollars, both in the research done to confirm that he was 100% guilty of abuse, to the many hours spent over the last 4 weeks working with the mediator, to the defamation he has posted about us on no less than 25 additional forums. Interestingly enough, this same player lost a nearly identical mediation at askgamblers around the same time period.
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000

We, and the other reputable casino/sportsbooks, take no joy in withholding an abusive player's funds. It nearly always costs us more to do so than it would have to pay the player and ban him. This is a rare necessity in order to deter abusive players and keep the industry alive and thriving. Over 99% of players are legitimate and our primary focus is on providing them exceptional support, fast withdrawals and innovative promotions. All winners who are not intentionally breaking the rules, in attempt to harm the site, are paid without issue, in minutes. Thanks and best of luck to all!

[LEVSKI7]

Both sites are brazen crooks.but you operate unsupervised and that makes your criminal activity easier

[cru7ufy]

As it is unlikely the player will return to update with the results of the mediation, we would like to do so at this time:
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/

This player has cost us 10s of thousands of dollars, both in the research done to confirm that he was 100% guilty of abuse, to the many hours spent over the last 4 weeks working with the mediator, to the defamation he has posted about us on no less than 25 additional forums. Interestingly enough, this same player lost a nearly identical mediation at askgamblers around the same time period.
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000

We, and the other reputable casino/sportsbooks, take no joy in withholding an abusive player's funds. It nearly always costs us more to do so than it would have to pay the player and ban him. This is a rare necessity in order to deter abusive players and keep the industry alive and thriving. Over 99% of players are legitimate and our primary focus is on providing them exceptional support, fast withdrawals and innovative promotions. All winners who are not intentionally breaking the rules, in attempt to harm the site, are paid without issue, in minutes. Thanks and best of luck to all!

YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF MY EMAILS OR EXPLAINED HOW I HAVE OPENED MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I CAN LITERALLY SHOW YOU FULL PROOF OF EVERYTHING I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT PLAYBETR UNTIL THE DAY I CREATED MY ACCOUNT. I would not be wasting my time like this if I was multi-accing. Please I promise you there has been a misunderstanding. If you just communicate with me, I will prove everything to you. Jesus Christ how hard can it be man...

[John Abraham]

YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF MY EMAILS OR EXPLAINED HOW I HAVE OPENED MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I CAN LITERALLY SHOW YOU FULL PROOF OF EVERYTHING I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT PLAYBETR UNTIL THE DAY I CREATED MY ACCOUNT. I would not be wasting my time like this if I was multi-accing. Please I promise you there has been a misunderstanding. If you just communicate with me, I will prove everything to you. Jesus Christ how hard can it be man...

Hi OP,
Usually, I always support Users if I see scam accusations against casinos. But I read both cases of yours. One with Betcoin and another with Rolletto Casino. According to thepogg, The casino already submitted enough proof that you have created multiple accounts on their website while they do not allow it.

PlayBetR has provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that this player has opened multiple accounts in breach of terms and conditions. As such, we will take no further part in the representation of this player's claim.
No further posts will be approved on this thread.
ThePOGG

Still, You are here asking them to provide further information about how you created multiple accounts. The casino may choose not to reveal it because they already submitted the proof where they had to submit it. I can't say that you did not create multiple accounts because you did that at other casinos and it was proven with Ask Gamblers mediator. Why are you asking them to communicate with you so you can prove everything while you can post here? The only exception can be you used a VPN when you signed up. But that's also not allowed if you did it for your purposes, according to the Playbetr TOS

11.14 Playbetr allows VPN used in order to achieve a stronger and more secure connection, however, Playbetr does not allow VPN use to violate any rules in this Playbetr terms of service including but not limited to multi-accounting, website abuse, cheating or accessing the website from a restricted region.

1. https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment
2. https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000#
3. https://www.playbetr.com/terms

[cru7ufy]

YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF MY EMAILS OR EXPLAINED HOW I HAVE OPENED MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I CAN LITERALLY SHOW YOU FULL PROOF OF EVERYTHING I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT PLAYBETR UNTIL THE DAY I CREATED MY ACCOUNT. I would not be wasting my time like this if I was multi-accing. Please I promise you there has been a misunderstanding. If you just communicate with me, I will prove everything to you. Jesus Christ how hard can it be man...

Hi OP,
Usually, I always support Users if I see scam accusations against casinos. But I read both cases of yours. One with Betcoin and another with Rolletto Casino. According to thepogg, The casino already submitted enough proof that you have created multiple accounts on their website while they do not allow it.

PlayBetR has provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that this player has opened multiple accounts in breach of terms and conditions. As such, we will take no further part in the representation of this player's claim.
No further posts will be approved on this thread.
ThePOGG

Still, You are here asking them to provide further information about how you created multiple accounts. The casino may choose not to reveal it because they already submitted the proof where they had to submit it. I can't say that you did not create multiple accounts because you did that at other casinos and it was proven with Ask Gamblers mediator. Why are you asking them to communicate with you so you can prove everything while you can post here? The only exception can be you used a VPN when you signed up. But that's also not allowed if you did it for your purposes, according to the Playbetr TOS

11.14 Playbetr allows VPN used in order to achieve a stronger and more secure connection, however, Playbetr does not allow VPN use to violate any rules in this Playbetr terms of service including but not limited to multi-accounting, website abuse, cheating or accessing the website from a restricted region.

1. https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment
2. https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000#
3. https://www.playbetr.com/terms

You are clearly new to this industry. These unregulated sites do this all the time. The "proof" they provide is manifactured and nobody gives a fuck because the mediators don't look into it further than what they are shown on the edge. I can literally show you proof I had never heard of playbetr before the same day I made my account, the only account I have made. Claiming multi-accounting is the easiest way for them to scam someone without being asked any more questions from the outside. In my memory, I only had VPN on once while using playbetr, and that was when logging in from my macbook once. If they show my log history, they will see the same IP logging in every day from my desktop PC. You seriously think I would sit here posting all these threads if I actually wasn't innocent. If I knew I broke their rules and in that case, they would have evidence of it, why would I even bother wasting my fucking time. They did not claim I am multi-accounting. They claimed I was abusing their sportsbook by "cheating". Scroll up to the beginning of the thread, you will see the reasonings they listed in the email they had sent me. None of them included using multiple accounts. They are literally changing up the story as the way it fits them. I was TOLD by a friend that he knew someone who has been using this site for years and always got paid, that was the first time I ever heard of playbetr and signed up straight away. I could show you my conversation with that person but wouldn't change anything. I want Playbetr to tell me what other account I have been using and what the proof is for it. Simple as that. I can do everything to prove I am innocent meanwhile they can't do a single thing to prove I am not.

[lesliegray]

I think OP has a point.

If OP was multiaccounting why didn't they state that in the first place? And if he has cost Playbetr/Betcoin tens of thousands of dollars, why would they offer him his deposit back? Doesn't make sense. I respect The Pogg as a mediator but how can we know for sure what kind of info they have been provided with?

All I know is that Playbetr wasn't accusing OP of multiaccounting in the first place (gyazo.com/2cce2f6e291bab297c8dbf9e2940b321).

Did they found that out later on after making more investigation or did they use it as a last line of defense?

[John Abraham]

I want Playbetr to tell me what other account I have been using and what the proof is for it. Simple as that. I can do everything to prove I am innocent meanwhile they can't do a single thing to prove I am not.

Reread the entire thread and replies. I checked all other things related to this accusation. I think you got a good point.
What I can suggest you write now is Please Contact another Mediator and invite Playbetr and Betcoin.

As it is unlikely the player will return to update with the results of the mediation, we would like to do so at this time:
https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/

I would request you to come back again and answer some questions. First, Would you mind answering Pmalek?

@Playbetr
What other mediators accept complaints against PlayBetr?

Thepogg.com's system of handling cases is questionable. OP Created a complaint, and Thepogg.com invited PlayBetr to the topic. Paybetr contacted thepogg privately without writing anything in the complaint thread. Playbetr or Betcoin never accused this player of having multiple accounts. They sent him an email accusing him of match-fixing, syndicate play, late betting and a bunch of other things.

See the images:


But, Thepogg.com said the player is Guilty of creating multiple accounts:

PlayBetR has provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that this player has opened multiple accounts in breach of terms and conditions. As such we will take no further part in the representation of this player's claim.

No further posts will be approved on this thread.

ThePOGG

Do you have an explanation about this why did you guys accuse him of a bunch of other things while thepogg.com says he created multiple accounts which you guys never mentioned before that day? If he does, Would you guys mind cooperating with other mediators?

[Blossom15]

I think OP has a point.

If OP was multiaccounting why didn't they state that in the first place? And if he has cost Playbetr/Betcoin tens of thousands of dollars, why would they offer him his deposit back? Doesn't make sense. I respect The Pogg as a mediator but how can we know for sure what kind of info they have been provided with?

All I know is that Playbetr wasn't accusing OP of multiaccounting in the first place (gyazo.com/2cce2f6e291bab297c8dbf9e2940b321).

Did they found that out later on after making more investigation or did they use it as a last line of defense?

Its simple. Playbetr is lying.
They googled the OPs username cru7ufy and came across this post from askgamblers: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000# and then decided the OP must be multi accounting. Otherwise why give a bunch of excuses then later proceed to say something else? Its not logical and something is not quiet right.

[John Abraham]

Its simple. Playbetr is lying.
They googled the OPs username and came across this post from askgamblers: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/rolletto-casino-rolletto-scamming-me-for-14000# and then decided the OP must be multi accounting. Otherwise why give a bunch of excuses then later on proceed to say something else. Something is not quiet right.

Before we came to a conclusion, Let's wait for PlayBetr as they are not inactive. Their last login was on March 13th. I just sent them a Private message and invited them to this thread. They will receive an email from the Bitcointalk forum about the new private message they received. PlayBetr has a reputation. But, Considering the amount, I have some questions about their action. OP has some good points and I pointed out it as well. I hope they will come and reply to those questions. Meanwhile, I will ask OP to contact another mediator service for assistance.

[PlayBetr]

This player has been found guilty of arbitrage betting at Playbetr in the past, at which time the account was paid and closed. He created a second account to arbitrage bet, at which time he was informed that he was in violation of terms. He chose a mediator. We went back and forth with the mediator for weeks, as did the player. The mediator made a decision. Guilty players exist. We have very few complaints, and the ones we do are always addressed immediately and resolved. Had the mediator decided we should pay the player, we would have. The player, who is well known throughout the industry as being abusive. We have no need to comment further on this matter, as it has already been resolved. The OP not being willing to accept the results of the mediator he chose is not our issue.

[LEVSKI7]

Rubbish dirty arbitrage betting is legal and always has been.

[Pmalek]

Rubbish dirty arbitrage betting is legal and always has been.

Not if the rules and terms and conditions say it's illegal. And point 9.7 in the Playbetr T&C clearly state that arbitrage, together with many other activities, isn't allowed on the casino. You are bound by the rules of the site you use, not what every individual person thinks should be right.

It's true that some fiat sportsbooks don't mind arbitrage betting. You should bet on those that have no problems with it and stay away from sites that do.

@PlayBetr
John Abraham reminded you and I ask a second time: what other mediation sites can the player use?