Random Number Generator and it's importance in Online Casinos

[FatFork]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

While many players may simply trust that the RNG is functioning properly, it's always a good idea to read up on how it works and to make sure that the online casino you're playing at is using a reputable and audited RNG. Many online casinos will provide information about their RNG and audits from third-party testing agencies on their website, so it's worth taking the time to do some research before placing any bets.

I noticed that in your post, you only talked about online slot games. Although it's true that there are companies that provide and monitor these types of casino games to ensure the fairness of the game results, it's important to recognize that this isn't always the case. There have been instances where unscrupulous casino operators have provided illegal, pirated, and frequently altered games, rather than legitimate slot games from respected providers. These modified games allow the owners to manipulate the RNG generators in their favor.

[swogerino]

Today, I am going to write briefly about the Random Number Generator(RGN) and its importance in online casinos. So basically, what the RNG does is to ensure that when we play our favoruite casino games, it creates random number, thereby ensuring that the result of every game are random and fair. No one would enjoy playing a game where they have no fair chance of winning. So, what is its mode of operation? If you play slots a lot you would have noticed that there are random symbols that appears on the reels. And when it does, it determines whether you have won some cents, a dollar, or more. There are complex algorithm that have generated the random symbols. The same thing applies to other online games too. 

In the past, I used to think or believe that the random numbers generated were controlled by the owners of the online casinos. I was wrong. They have no control over it. Instead, there are companies that monitor it to ensure that the numbers generated are as random as they are. Imagine the manipulation and bias in the game results if online casinos had control over the RNG.

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

While the casino has no control over the RNG,some slot providers like Play n Go are giving them 3 changeable RTP the lowest one being 96.27,then about 92 the second one and the last near 84 percent,and that I know or not 100% sure but something along those lines can be configured to be played with.This is some sort of RNG manipulation also as by changing the RTP to the biggest one it means it will give less winning combinations and will get one's money faster than the lowest RTP and I think we have no idea how to verify which RTP the casino is using,sure they may say in the description that we are giving 96.27 the lowest edge but how do I know that they have not configured the game with almost 16 percent to favor the casino?

Based on this I will switch to only games that have only one single RTP and I don't care about the high volatility,almost every good slot has it.

Howcome nobody is talking about this ? I have heard this the first time because everywhere else there's just one algorithm and they stick to it.
There's no change in it. Most sites use the provable fair algorithm which is by far the best algorithm to generate random numbers.
We should only stick to sites that use provably fair algorithm and at the same time provides a page where we can validate the outcomes of the same.

That is just one provider so far that I know does what I said above and that is Play n Go and that is to some specific slots only and not massively but the slots that they do that are some of the most popular from them and the Green Knight hell yeah it is popular,just check how many streamers that stream their gambling activity play that game,an insane amount of people and that is why I think it is dangerous to play such game as you can get bad luck from a lot of factors,streamers sucking in a lot of money from this game as they play longer or the casino taking profit from the changeable RTP the provider offers.

I would suggest the only outcome to this is to keep playing only slots from providers who have only one RTP per slot and that's it.

[darewaller]

Did you see the one streaming session with the co-owner of Stake.com ..namely Eddie, where he used the Google random generator to pick winners and then one of the gamblers showed him that he can pick the next number, before it was ran on the random generator?

Yes, it is flawed.... if you know the first number that are drawn, so it is very important to "refresh" the page.. after each random number are drawn. The numbers are still random, but the next numbers can be pre-determined, if you continue without refreshing the page. 

I still trust the RNG, but I also trusted Google random generator... and someone found a way to exploit it. 

That was some serious accusations right there but are there any solid proofs about that gambler that what he was sayin is real and not just a way to bring down Stake? Because you know, he might be a loser and he can't accept this fact but after all, there are still people like you and others who continues their warm support on Stake.

They still believe that Stake is honest and as well as the Google Random Generator because man, that came from a reputable company and this was the reason why Eddie choose this than any other random generator out there. Refreshing the page right after every pick seems a bit hassle but maybe Eddie can consider this sometime, only to prove more that they are honest with their operations.

[Hispo]

There was a time I thought casinos may actually always used a pseudo-random number generator with a seed from their serves, but then I realized that would not be suitable to keep their transparency in the long term among gamblers.

It is an interesting topic and any person into gambling with a basic understanding of numbers should read about it. 

Just a few days ago I saw an engineer specialising in casino games, commenting that in Las Vegas and other reputable sites, the system is set up so that the results are randomised every time, using the RNG. He did not rule out that in some sites with little supervision the mechanism is manipulated to favour the house, but in regulated and supervised sites the system is completely random.

We have to think that even if it is random, the house is going to make money from the HE, it doesn't need to cheat anything. The casinos that may be tempted to cheat are those that do not manage to attract traffic to the site and a good volume of bets, because if these two things are achieved, with a good management of bankroll and maximum bet to avoid going bankrupt if a whale wins in the short term, profits are assured.

Was it a youtube Video? If so I would like to check it out, if you still have it around your browser history.
I have always wondered how modern slot machines and video poker machines get their entropy to make their operation truly random each time someone gambles on them.

I have the doubt whether they use integrated electronics to get entropy or use some internet/local connection to get the randomness from a third party. 

[panganib999]

Did you see the one streaming session with the co-owner of Stake.com ..namely Eddie, where he used the Google random generator to pick winners and then one of the gamblers showed him that he can pick the next number, before it was ran on the random generator?

Yes, it is flawed.... if you know the first number that are drawn, so it is very important to "refresh" the page.. after each random number are drawn. The numbers are still random, but the next numbers can be pre-determined, if you continue without refreshing the page. 

I still trust the RNG, but I also trusted Google random generator... and someone found a way to exploit it. 

The thing with random is, there's no true random in nature. And true randomness does not exist at least in practice. There had been multiple scientific papers that suggests ways to reach true random but none was ever able to successfully write one that relates it to the real world. As for the hacker that was able to seemingly predict what number comes up for all the draws made by the CEO of stake, I think he was able to tap into the mechanism that generates random numbers for google, make a similar model or program for him, with all the patterns and manners as well, and had it run in his computer, which caused him to predict the string of numbers Stake's CEO was pulling through google's RNG or something.

Or I could be wrong.

[rahmad2nd]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

There are many gamblers trying to unravel the mystery behind how online slot machines work.  in fact, not infrequently some of them often record the combinations that occur during the round. then, always try to formulate patterns that are believed to be effective when applied to a slot game, and this, too, is believed to help us recognize the nature of the game. in fact, things like this, are still believed by gamblers who like slot games.

However, online slot RNGs turn a supposedly powerful slot pattern into a myth. which in the end, some of us just found out. at its core, the RNG is the brain of the slot machine. While most players know that there is a computer chip that crunches the numbers, most don't fully understand how it works and this can lead to some of the many myths and misconceptions about slot machines. One of the most common myths is that a machine has cycles that let players know when to hit.

Apart from all that, before that I also assumed that online slot machines could be controlled by the casino. related to your question, it works well or not. it is difficult to give an answer, because we do not fully understand it. after all, all casinos are business oriented. which means always looking for profit. as fair as they are, they will still prioritize profits for platforms. therefore, gamble with money you can afford to lose.

[Johnyz]

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

I honestly don’t make any effort to read such details since I only trust the rating of the site and I know if there is something suspicious about the site many will share their insights right away and warn the public. Though its also important to understand this since this could be a basis for the fairness of the site but many gamblers are not doing this because of a long details about it and some informations are too technical, this is also why i don’t read this.

[goaldigger]

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

I honestly don’t make any effort to read such details since I only trust the rating of the site and I know if there is something suspicious about the site many will share their insights right away and warn the public. Though its also important to understand this since this could be a basis for the fairness of the site but many gamblers are not doing this because of a long details about it and some informations are too technical, this is also why i don’t read this.

You’re not alone, i also don’t read the details about this since I believe the top site will not use any third party if its not good and this can also a same thing for the game provider.

Though i got curious about this one so I’ll start looking for this on a site that I’m playing and try to understand if they have this random generator just to be more fair to the gamblers even if they still have the advantage over the gamblers, the house will always win no matter what.

[Sandra_hakeem]

You could be right and I'm wrong, but I think that whatsoever is being programed to function, could actually be made to cheat. Don't argue cus you haven't had direct contact with the RNG and its mode of operation, or have you???
Those applications, bots or whatever, has been given instructions to work with..they can't give instructions on their own accord which still makes the system unfair (if you wanna look at it that way)... So except it has more measures to operate exponentially, then I'll wait till I can conclude otherwise, I'll say it's the same thing.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[dothebeats]

Casinos use a more highly-sophisticated random number generator system and I think it paved the way to a lot of games that we enjoy in the casino right now. No matter how sophisticated or how secure these RNG algorithms are, I believe that it should be audited by external auditors to make sure that whatever technology is being used by these casinos, it doesn't have any backdoors or any exploits that the casino can use for their advantage. We're all for fair play and an enjoyable experience, and I don't think it's fair and enjoyable if the casino can tweak some settings then bam! You're on a losing streak.

[danherbias07]

It's a nice feature created by online casinos but I would still never trust how the system works. The belief about the "house will always win" is still what I strongly believe. But that's only for casino games unlike in sports gambling where analysis can help out to increase the chance to win.
The problem with casino games is they have your records. If the system sees you kept on winning rounds with their RNG system it will balance the record and make you lose consecutively until everything is back to the right place.
Have we ever seen a consecutive winner in dice, Plinko, or games like it betting for just the same amount? I had my share of playing dice and I know it's always on the losing side.

[livingfree]

I don't go in depth on it and just trust the casinos fair treatment to their gamblers. There are ways to validate though but sometimes, I just feel that there's no need to do it.

Those that are very critical and sensitive on it, of course they'd like to validate and check it so that they ensure that it is a total RNG.

Just like the many in here that have said that don't bother checking it, well, we all feel the same thing towards it.

[famososMuertos]

It is always important to read about the subject, but the main thing is to know that they have legal certifications, it is not enough just to mention it or have the label. So yes, you should know that the RNG exists, but it is important to know how to verify if a casino complies with the correct use of RNG.

That is, a third party must verify that this is true, so there are companies that audit casinos and these auditing companies are authorized to issue these certificates.

"Let’s delve deeper into the details and find out who provides these certificates and how to obtain them.

BMM Testlabs is a long-established independent laboratory that tests and certifies games. One of the most reputable authorities in gaming content, it has been working for more than 30 years...
 
Gaming Labs International (GLI) is another famous iGaming test lab certifying RNG-based games. Globally, GLI certificates are approved across regulated markets, making them desirable for iGaming brands.The process of verifying RNG algorithms depends on many factors but mainly involves the following steps:
General RNG code overview
Diehard Battery of Tests
Outcome Distribution Tests

eCogra (eCommerce Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance) is a London-based agency that inspects online gambling software and systems. The organisation’s primary role is to protect player rights, guarantee fair games, and ensure provider responsibility.Technical experts conduct a detailed analysis to determine if the games offered comply with RNG requirements and function correctly. A positive audit results in a comprehensive report and eCorga certificate."
^{Source:https://www.softswiss.com/knowledge-base/rng-igaming/}

In my case, I have wandered around poker at the beginning of the 21st century, in this game it was important to achieve randomness and, for example, Pokerstars had certification Gaming Labs International.

This may be additional information, a thread that deals with a similar topic:

If your games aren't provably fair, stop claiming they are.

[goinmerry]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

Personally no. I don't bother to read anything about RNG, Provably works, and anything about fairness.

The reason is, there should be many technical people that will look further at it and that's what I'm waiting for.

Aside from that, reputation is what matters to me. I doubt a reputable site will ruin its reputation to do some cheating.

[rhomelmabini]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

As far as I know it's the tool that makes most casinos online being provably fair. I think I trust that functions properly and not gonna hassle myself to think it's not when I am playing. I just want to play on casinos that don't want to cheat this system so that it won't be a bother if the provably fair system works.

[alegotardo]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

Personally no. I don't bother to read anything about RNG, Provably works, and anything about fairness.

The reason is, there should be many technical people that will look further at it and that's what I'm waiting for.

Aside from that, reputation is what matters to me. I doubt a reputable site will ruin its reputation to do some cheating.

In fact, most famous sites have a lot of reputation to uphold and I'm sure they earn a lot more money working honestly (casinos are highly profitable) than robbing users.
Those who steal from users will not do this eventually, but with increasing frequency and this will certainly draw attention and probably "annoy" someone who sooner or later will start investigating and discover the problem of "probably fair ".

However, in addition to trust, it is necessary to understand a little of how this works, because surely you must have heard that phrase that says: Don't trust, check!

Knowing superficially how an RNG based system works is the basics that every regular bettor should know.
Eventually, it is also very interesting that the user himself checks his bets on his own, in addition to the site's own tools, there are some third-party tools that help you with this.

[traderethereum]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

As far as I know it's the tool that makes most casinos online being provably fair. I think I trust that functions properly and not gonna hassle myself to think it's not when I am playing. I just want to play on casinos that don't want to cheat this system so that it won't be a bother if the provably fair system works.

If we use a well-known casino with a good reputation in the gambling business, we do not need to worry because the casino will not deceive its users.
And so far, I have never checked the system because I trust the casino.
And I also believe that the system is already working properly because if not, the casino will not be able to have many members and the casino can get a bad name among other casinos.
We also have the best casinos on this forum that don't cheat users with these things, making us feel comfortable playing gambling in the casino.

[rhomelmabini]

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

As far as I know it's the tool that makes most casinos online being provably fair. I think I trust that functions properly and not gonna hassle myself to think it's not when I am playing. I just want to play on casinos that don't want to cheat this system so that it won't be a bother if the provably fair system works.

If we use a well-known casino with a good reputation in the gambling business, we do not need to worry because the casino will not deceive its users.
And so far, I have never checked the system because I trust the casino.
And I also believe that the system is already working properly because if not, the casino will not be able to have many members and the casino can get a bad name among other casinos.
We also have the best casinos on this forum that don't cheat users with these things, making us feel comfortable playing gambling in the casino.

Indeed. I don't hassle my time with everything to check their corresponding systems as long as I know they are trustworthy. I tend to sign up on the reputed casinos considering their codes are checked by trusted devs as well in the industry.

[Solosanz]

Indeed. I don't hassle my time with everything to check their corresponding systems as long as I know they are trustworthy. I tend to sign up on the reputed casinos considering their codes are checked by trusted devs as well in the industry.

How is possible we can check their codes in the first place? either the casino or the games are closed sources, because if they're revealing all of their codes, the other developer can copy paste the codes and create the copycat version. They only give explanation about the provably fair system's work and how to verify your bet, that's all. AFAIK there's a casino ever reporting a shady gambling provider in the past, so just stick with the old gambling provider.

[Daltonik]

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

Of course, the role of RNG in an online casino is probably crucial both for the institution itself and for players who need to be sure of its honest use, but this can only take place in an online casino that uses and, most importantly, has proven its trust, but this requires compliance with the rules of the game and control, otherwise the players will simply leave.