✅ [ANN] Bettercallraul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange | LOW FEES & Private | CLI ✅

[bettercallraul]

[1715119628]

1715119628

[T3PR00T]

Who is Raul? 

[Renampun]

welcome @Bettercallraul.it to this forum,

I'm glad to see that a new exchange has emerged with the concept of "Privacy is the Point" that's really very good!!

based on Who.is this site is new, I hope the reputation of your site can increase rapidly in the future and success with marketing

[karmamiu]

One of the things the user really needed mostly when it comes to cryptocurrency or anything related with money is the thing called "security and privacy". With your offer alone I'm pretty sure that it will attract a lot of users, I do really hope you will build the reputation needed for this to become one of the best services in the market.

[julerz12]

Who is Raul? 

I'm pretty sure the owners of this crypto-exchange based its name on a popular tv show, Better Call Saul and they probably just changed the Saul to Raul to avoid legal consequences. 
Quite a catchy name if you ask me.

[dzungmobile]

Would you mind sharing why you pick only Bitcoin, Monero and Ethereum for your exchanges, please.

Is it related to big trading volume of those coins, Bitcoin and Ethereum.

For Monero, I understand your choice as it is a biggest and best privacy coin.

According to your exchange criteria which I don't know, are there listing chances for other coins?

Your exchange is no KYC, let's bring it to https://kycnot.me/

[LoyceV]

<I can't quote this because it's an image>

Can you explain how you "automatically and securely transfer your initial liquidity with no traceability"? Without technical explanation, it now sounds like you're just using buzzwords.

Main page:

The maximum amount that can go through ourASM is 8.760257 BTC.

FAQ:

The maximum amount that can go through ourASM is 4.5897707BTC.

Be consistent.

I'm pretty sure the owners of this crypto-exchange based its name on a popular tv show, Better Call Saul and they probably just changed the Saul to Raul to avoid legal consequences. 
Quite a catchy name if you ask me.

I like the name, but it's only good "on paper". If you say it out loud, "Raul" sounds totally different than "Saul".

[speedy963]

I was wonderin whether Raul is also a private person without traceability since they're offering a service without traceability? Well, enough kidding around i'll just wait and see what they can offer to the users.

[bettercallraul]

Would you mind sharing why you pick only Bitcoin, Monero and Ethereum for your exchanges, please.

Is it related to big trading volume of those coins, Bitcoin and Ethereum.

For Monero, I understand your choice as it is a biggest and best privacy coin.

According to your exchange criteria which I don't know, are there listing chances for other coins?

Your exchange is no KYC, let's bring it to https://kycnot.me/

Yes, we started with 3 and will expand with feedback from the community. Do you have any coins in mind?

<I can't quote this because it's an image>

Can you explain how you "automatically and securely transfer your initial liquidity with no traceability"? Without technical explanation, it now sounds like you're just using buzzwords.


Main page:

The maximum amount that can go through ourASM is 8.760257 BTC.

FAQ:

The maximum amount that can go through ourASM is 4.5897707BTC.

Be consistent.

I'm pretty sure the owners of this crypto-exchange based its name on a popular tv show, Better Call Saul and they probably just changed the Saul to Raul to avoid legal consequences.  
Quite a catchy name if you ask me.

I like the name, but it's only good "on paper". If you say it out loud, "Raul" sounds totally different than "Saul".

Raul uses its own private Monero nodes and every transaction is tunneled through TOR.

FAQ is only showing what to look for as an example. That isn't the maximum transaction in the FAQ. Maximum transaction will change depending on the funds in that pool.

Would you mind sharing why you pick only Bitcoin, Monero and Ethereum for your exchanges, please.

Is it related to big trading volume of those coins, Bitcoin and Ethereum.

For Monero, I understand your choice as it is a biggest and best privacy coin.

According to your exchange criteria which I don't know, are there listing chances for other coins?

Your exchange is no KYC, let's bring it to https://kycnot.me/

It's already there https://kycnot.me/exchange/bettercallraul

[CryptSafe]

It is nice you have a good project. This exchange is more of a decentralized UI design and it looks unique and excellent. As earlier asked with respect to other coins been incoperated to you dex, it would of benefit to you and your organization that other coins are also included because the 3 coin some can limit the activities of your dex to just few operations so for a wider and broader community I suggest you look into that as there are many coins out there with large holders which you can incoperate for huge traffic.

I also noticed that the out put of the the swap is bitcoin. I want to ask you a question about that. Do you plan limiting the output of transactions on your dex  within the bitcoin chain or it is just for the Start because I know for sure not all would want to get bitcoin as output while some would be swapping bitcoin for another. So how do you explain that?

[dkbit98]

I did some testing with your exchange website and I received some strange results when I tried to exchange 1 billion Monero to Bitcoin and exchange showed me I should receive 5723759999.999827 Bitcoins.
Nobody has this amount of coins for exchanging and I think limitation should be added on main page with Maximum and Minimum amount of coins.
After I entered random BTC address I was redirected to new page and shown amount of 1 Monero that should be exchanged for 0.0243334776 BTC, without to option to change anything, and I can't go back to change amount.
I tried with other amounts/coins and I always get number 1 to be exchanged with same results, with Mix/Max amount shown only on this page  if I remember correctly.
This should be fixed.



Few more questions:
- Are you working with other centralized exchanges, and can coin be seized by you or third party in any way?
- How can people find your onion address link? (I can't find it anywhere)

[Sarah Azhari]

Your service seems like a new metode mixing service, but I like it because we can exchange it with another big trade crypto like eth and monero. And, I just try it without deposit yet,



1. how much minimum deposit?,
2. and how long we can wait until wait (step 3) between complete (step 4)?, because I can't find how to boost Service fee and delay transfer for orders.
3. and can we use the bech32 address?

[dzungmobile]

1. how much minimum deposit?

At landing page, there is a maximum amount

Code:

The maximum amount that can go through ourASM is 5.957654 BTC..

At their Terms of Use page.

Customer payment:  There are no requirements for the amount to send; however, if a customer sends an amount that exceeds our minimum or maximum balance to convert, a customer will be eligible for a refund which is performed automatically. The min/max balance information is shown to users before creating orders and during operations.

I tried with Bitcoin, it is 0.01 BTC. Max is more than 97 BTC. There is Refund policy described in the quote.

For other coins, Ethereum and Monero, you can try and get the min amount.

3. and can we use the bech32 address?

You can use it as Receiving address. Deposit address is Legacy starts with 1.

[bettercallraul]

I did some testing with your exchange website and I received some strange results when I tried to exchange 1 billion Monero to Bitcoin and exchange showed me I should receive 5723759999.999827 Bitcoins.
Nobody has this amount of coins for exchanging and I think limitation should be added on main page with Maximum and Minimum amount of coins.
After I entered random BTC address I was redirected to new page and shown amount of 1 Monero that should be exchanged for 0.0243334776 BTC, without to option to change anything, and I can't go back to change amount.
I tried with other amounts/coins and I always get number 1 to be exchanged with same results, with Mix/Max amount shown only on this page  if I remember correctly.
This should be fixed.



Few more questions:
- Are you working with other centralized exchanges, and can coin be seized by you or third party in any way?
- How can people find your onion address link? (I can't find it anywhere)

no third party, we own it all

2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion

Your service seems like a new metode mixing service, but I like it because we can exchange it with another big trade crypto like eth and monero. And, I just try it without deposit yet,



1. how much minimum deposit?,
2. and how long we can wait until wait (step 3) between complete (step 4)?, because I can't find how to boost Service fee and delay transfer for orders.
3. and can we use the bech32 address?

1. it says on website
2. its being added the delay transfer but generally
3. yes you can use

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[Sarah Azhari]

~

Thanks for the answer and good to see you always active to answer the question, I hope you stay like this to gain our trust.

I've another question, are we get a different address for each trade?


I also find a bug in FAQ: How to use TOR on spesific sentense: please copy/paste our onion URL.
https://2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion/



So when I copied and paste it to tor browser I got an error like picture below



but when I clicked a link on my signature: http://2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion/
the link worked well in tor.

I look the difference between link is http(s), maybe you have removed (s) on FAQ 

[LoyceV]

2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion

Have you considered a vanity URL? Something like BetterCallxxxx.onion or CallRaulxxxxx.onion? Depending on your processing power (and luck) it makes the URL look better.

[BenCodie]

Would you mind sharing why you pick only Bitcoin, Monero and Ethereum for your exchanges, please.

Is it related to big trading volume of those coins, Bitcoin and Ethereum.

For Monero, I understand your choice as it is a biggest and best privacy coin.

According to your exchange criteria which I don't know, are there listing chances for other coins?

Your exchange is no KYC, let's bring it to https://kycnot.me/

Yes, we started with 3 and will expand with feedback from the community. Do you have any coins in mind?

Suggestions:
- One or more common bitcoin forks (such as Litecoin, Dogecoin (and if I dare say it on BitcoinTalk) BitcoinCash).
- One or more layer 2 EVM solutions (Polygon, Avalanche, Celo, Arbitrum, etc.) - This way there can be a direct and anonymous route to and from the EVM blockchains without the pain of Etheruem network fees. I would not recommend Binance Smart Chain due to their overreaching tracking which violates user privacy.
- Tron. I believe that it's very popular and you would probably make a good amount from the volume of this and USDT on Tron.
- DAI and/or USDT on Ethereum, Tron and any Layer 2 EVM solution that you add so that there is a usd-pegged option. I would not recommend USDC due to its control by Circle and its government-affiliate counterparts or BUSD due to the reason mentioned for Binance Smart Chain, plus it recently de-pegged.

I believe all you would need is Litecoin, Tron, one or two of the layer 2 EVM (Polygon is popular) and USDT/DAI to increase both feasibility for low-volume traders and variety for everyone.

Looking forward to watching your new service flourish!

2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion

Have you considered a vanity URL? Something like BetterCallxxxx.onion or CallRaulxxxxx.onion? Depending on your processing power (and luck) it makes the URL look better.

+1!

[dkbit98]

no third party, we own it all

Can you prove ownership of all this coins?
If you don't want to share this information in public for everyone to see, there is solution to do this with one trusted member who can confirm this, maybe with signed message.

2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion

I know this onion address from forum, but I can't find link anywhere on website, and I think you could add it on page bottom.

[LoyceV]

If you don't want to share this information in public for everyone to see, there is solution to do this with one trusted member who can confirm this, maybe with signed message.

OP: I can verify a signed message for you if you want, and confirm ownership without publicly announcing the address.

2la5op74rphtwd4vqla4tvwbghe2hrffuy7yut7wlhufjkazwj2ixqid.onion

I know this onion address from forum, but I can't find link anywhere on website, and I think you could add it on page bottom.

It's in the FAQ.
The proper way to point users to the .onion site would be by using the Onion-Location header.

[Sarah Azhari]

Suggestions:
- One or more common bitcoin forks (such as Litecoin, Dogecoin (and if I dare say it on BitcoinTalk) BitcoinCash).
- One or more layer 2 EVM solutions (Polygon, Avalanche, Celo, Arbitrum, etc.) - This way there can be a direct and anonymous route to and from the EVM blockchains without the pain of Etheruem network fees. I would not recommend Binance Smart Chain due to their overreaching tracking which violates user privacy.
- Tron. I believe that it's very popular and you would probably make a good amount from the volume of this and USDT on Tron.
- DAI and/or USDT on Ethereum, Tron and any Layer 2 EVM solution that you add so that there is a usd-pegged option. I would not recommend USDC due to its control by Circle and its government-affiliate counterparts or BUSD due to the reason mentioned for Binance Smart Chain, plus it recently de-pegged.

I think adding 1,2 or just 3 coins is good, because If too many coins and tokens are listed, maybe it will be affected the server.
And, ETH and Monero are so far so good at the moment because both are all one of the biggest coins around the market.
and, I agree, if developer want force to continue adding coins, Litecoin is good, or maybe Doge, because have a low fee which we can do trade regularly if there is no load at all. Maybe they have thought the quantity 1st just for attract new registers to try the website.

[OmegaStarScream]

Yes, we started with 3 and will expand with feedback from the community. Do you have any coins in mind?

As mentioned above, it would be nice to see some stablecoins on some cheap networks. Maybe polygon, the sidechain as well as their newly released L2 (Polygon zkEVM). I'd also like to see bitcoin's lightning network since not many exchanges support that at the moment.

[Lida93]

@Bettercallraul.it you're welcome to the forum. To have a wide range of market here in the forum it will be of essence you guys keep to your established features and am sure there are more others that would like to experience your level of privacy as an exchange.

[d5000]

A suggestion to improve the interface:

In my tests, the amount of coins I will receive and the exchange rate was only shown after I clicked "Raul it" (nice idea btw, to make the .it domain more memorable).

It would be better if you get an estimation of the rate/or coins to receive already on the start page, before clicking the "Raul it" button (perhaps an "Estimate exchange rate" button could be added if you don't want to show it in real-time). As one has to accept ToS and "authorize" the transaction according to the FAQ when you click this button, however, you could be losing customers being wary of doing that step.

Edit: Nevermind, it works now, see OmegaStarScream's post below. Probably simply something went wrong when I tested it ...

[Sarah Azhari]

After 2 weeks I never come back here, the website is look better and more have improvisation from the last I visit. I bit surprised that look the TOR link on the top page and did not direct me to the TOR directly when I clicked it. It's good because when clicking directly on Clearnet browser It shouldn't open.

So, is there any plan for you to vouch for members here to try your site for free?
maybe it's good to get new members to just try your site between hard competition mixers here.

[boyptc]

The name of service itself made me remember a netflix series, I think that there's something to do with that or no? The series' name is "Better call Saul".

I haven't watched the series but my friends do. Anyway, I have already cut my subscription there and just thought of it and thinking about this when I've seen this exchange.

Will there be any chance that the current three supported cryptos will be more and still, won't have any conflict with its purpose of privacy?

[OmegaStarScream]

It would be better if you get an estimation of the rate/or coins to receive already on the start page, before clicking the "Raul it" button (perhaps an "Estimate exchange rate" button could be added if you don't want to show it in real-time). As one has to accept ToS and "authorize" the transaction according to the FAQ when you click this button, however, you could be losing customers being wary of doing that step.

AFAIK, this is what they have been doing from the start:

You visit the main page -> type the amount you're sending -> loading animation shows -> you see how much you're going to receive.

@OP Do you have any plans to release an API?

[d5000]

AFAIK, this is what they have been doing from the start:

You visit the main page -> type the amount you're sending -> loading animation shows -> you see how much you're going to receive.

You're right ... I don't know why in my previous test that didn't work (I tried several times), but now it's calculating the amounts correctly. Maybe temporary problems on the server, or some cache or adblocker problem on my side.

[AbuBhakar]

The name of service itself made me remember a netflix series, I think that there's something to do with that or no? The series' name is "Better call Saul".

I haven't watched the series but my friends do. Anyway, I have already cut my subscription there and just thought of it and thinking about this when I've seen this exchange.

Just an FYI on this. Better call Saul is a prequel of Breaking Bad series. Saul is the lawyer of the main character which responsible for washing his money that earned by selling his meth. The owner is very clever to use this framchise title as inspiration for an exchange that promotes privacy since this is what the movie all about. 

Will there be any chance that the current three supported cryptos will be more and still, won't have any conflict with its purpose of privacy?

I believe there is a plan to expand the choices since ETH is also included in the choices. The privacy feature enter when the coin that you send already move in different wallet that is not connected to you since you will receive separate token in different blockchain that will give you privacy from your old coins.

[bettercallraul]

UPDATE

 - New dark mode theme
 - Multi language support
 - Time interval setting
 - Refresh button for exchange rate
 - Also we created our own token $RAUL that will be used for staking and other utilities that u can check the privacy paper on website


https://bettercallraul.it/privacy.pdf

[salad daging]

Site BetterCallRaul seized, exactly the same as Chipmixer.
The appearance of the seized website is almost the same as the appearance on Chipmixer.

Were they really confiscated? But I did a search on https://www.justice.gov/ and found nothing about BetterCallRaul but for news about Chipmixer it's there.

I know this news from their campaign thread stating @OmegaStarScream. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446432.msg62283678#msg62283678

[Mate2237]

Site BetterCallRaul seized, exactly the same as Chipmixer.
The appearance of the seized website is almost the same as the appearance on Chipmixer.

Were they really confiscated? But I did a search on https://www.justice.gov/ and found nothing about BetterCallRaul but for news about Chipmixer it's there.

I know this news from their campaign thread stating @OmegaStarScream. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446432.msg62283678#msg62283678

What is really happening. I just went to the website and confirmed the news on the website and it is legit. The way approach with Chipmixer. But why they have done for the seizure is not yet published. I am suspecting that the way crime Chipmixer committed is the one this company has also committed. It's like Chipmixer lesson did not go into their mind. What a short live here. What will happen to the customers funds that are in their website? This is sad news again. Now people have to be careful with Mixers. Or just as a user said in the campaign thread. Is it an another exit scam to make the customers believe that the site is under seized? But I don't think this is beyond a joke.

[Little Mouse]

Is it an another exit scam to make the customers believe that the site is under seized?

It doesn't look so. It's the same image on the website as used in ChipMixer website, make sense but why would the image say ChipMixer or BetterCallraul, they could simply mention about BetterCallRaul in the image, mentioning ChipMixer makes no sense in my opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. It's either seized or it's an exit scam. I don't know how they procedure the transactions, there's no chance of anyone getting back their fund.
I have tried to find authentic news, somewhere it would have been mentioned but I couldn't find any. No press has mentioned such a seizure. Maybe an exit scam 

[jokers10]

Is it an another exit scam to make the customers believe that the site is under seized?

It doesn't look so. It's the same image on the website as used in ChipMixer website, make sense but why would the image say ChipMixer or BetterCallraul, they could simply mention about BetterCallRaul in the image, mentioning ChipMixer makes no sense in my opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. It's either seized or it's an exit scam. I don't know how they procedure the transactions, there's no chance of anyone getting back their fund.
I have tried to find authentic news, somewhere it would have been mentioned but I couldn't find any. No press has mentioned such a seizure. Maybe an exit scam  

If to look at the image carefully we can see that it is exactly a poorly photoshopped image of the ChipMixer's website seizure. If it was (unlikely) made by gov, we'll see something in news (especially if it is connected with ChipMixer). Otherwise there are two possibilities: more likely exit scam, and less likely website hack. In the second case we'll see a representative of a project who will pay all debts. But I guess we'll see no one or we'll see someone with an unbelievable story.

[Agbe]

From the two images, showcase in the forum , they are all one and that means the BetterCallRaul claim it seizure is for scam and not real.
Photoshopped image (Edited one) from BetterCallRaul

And original image from Chipmixer

This is very bad of them. Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable.

[Renampun]

 

I don't know what really happened to this site, but we can see that chipmixer doesn't say domain seizure, is this an exit scam?

[examplens]

It doesn't look so. It's the same image on the website as used in ChipMixer website, make sense but why would the image say ChipMixer or BetterCallraul, they could simply mention about BetterCallRaul in the image, mentioning ChipMixer makes no sense in my opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. It's either seized or it's an exit scam. I don't know how they procedure the transactions, there's no chance of anyone getting back their fund.
I have tried to find authentic news, somewhere it would have been mentioned but I couldn't find any. No press has mentioned such a seizure. Maybe an exit scam 

I also find this more than suspicious, I don't see why the Chipmixer logo would be used in this case. The TOR version is just deleted, without any warnings or notifications.
On these two pages that are indicated, they do not have any details about this case nor are they mentioned.
https://www.justice.gov/
https://rfj.tips/DuhsUp

This is very bad of them. Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable.

You are thinking very aggressively here. Bettercallraul is not a mixer service, but a decentralized, no KYC exchanger, fully private, etc... Now with this knowledge, should we request that all exchangers must be banned from the forum?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

From the two images, showcase in the forum , they are all one and that means the BetterCallRaul claim it seizure is for scam and not real.
Photoshopped image (Edited one) from BetterCallRaul

They just slapped in the BetterCallRaul logo and name in the photo 

This is very bad of them. Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable.

How will we know they are not reliable yet we already have some old function mixers?

I don't know what really happened to this site, but we can see that chipmixer doesn't say domain seizure, is this an exit scam?

The clearnet page of chipmixer has "domain seizure"

I think it's an exit scam though probably a well planned one.

[LoyceV]

It's either seized or it's an exit scam.

and less likely website hack.

None of this makes sense:

• If it's hacked, I'd expect the hacker to replace deposit addresses to steal funds.
• If it's seized, I'd expect the DNS entry to be changed. I wouldn't expect to recycle CM's logo, and I wouldn't expect the exact same list of government organisations to be involved.
• If it's an exit scam, it makes no sense to pretend to be seized while they could still be collecting deposits. And nobody so far said they've been scammed.
• If they just quit because it's not profitable, they could have just said so.

This happened exactly 3 months after the domain name was registered.

Bettercallraul is ~ a decentralized, no KYC exchanger, fully private, etc...

I haven't used the site, but from what I've seen, it wasn't decentralized.

[examplens]

• If it's an exit scam, it makes no sense to pretend to be seized while they could still be collecting deposits. And nobody so far said they've been scammed.

They had their own token $RAUL. At some point, the total value was 1.4 million https://www.geckoterminal.com/eth/pools/0xe786c0da51a21c8f7ec91c9889e2df3f21ee1747?utm_source=coingecko&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=searchresults
I don't know when the token was released and how much investor money was collected, or maybe it just didn't go fast enough to cover all the costs.

At the time when the domain was seized, they posted on Twitter about the buyback https://twitter.com/BCRaul_it/status/1660607333511077889

☎️ #BetterCallRaul will continue unannounced buybacks.

Timing remains a mystery, but brace yourself for increasing buy sizes. 💸

HODL tight, the future is promising!

TOTAL BUYBACK SINCE LAUNCH:
• Buybacks = 183,383.84 $RAUL
• Spent = 1.65 $ETH
https://etherscan.io/token/0x546f3b64a317ab001a5ac5e882ca28d2a051c20a?a=0x35c3dc11083302f6650428091b1b2cb3f670743a

[LoyceV]

They had their own token $RAUL.

That brings me back to ICO-times with shady pump and dumbs dumps.

the total value was 1.4 million

For a small site created 3 months ago People never learn

[Helena Yu]

I thought this exchange could be the third option for me to use DEX in case there's a better offer than in Bisq or Agoradesk, but since the exchange not accept cash, I'm still not interested to use it.

I haven't used the site, but from what I've seen, it wasn't decentralized.

Yeah it's not decentralized or peer to peer, it's like an instant swap service where people are trade with the exchange, not people to people. But at least it's no KYC, can access via Tor and no account needed which is the advantage of this exchange.

If you're use someone picture, you need to quote the poster, not only took the picture

Code:

[quote author=Helena Yu link=topic=5446432.msg62283732#msg62283732 date=1684763587]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/TR2k2Xb/Untitled.png[/img]
[/quote]

[Cantsay]

~~~
This is very bad of them. Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable.

Funny how you say this and still have a mixer in your signature space.

You should also live by what you preach since you're sure that mixers are not good for the forum you should start by dissociating yourself from them.

[NotATether]

This should've been posted a few hours ago but I was busy - I contacted KycNot.Me to ask them to remove their listing, and they struck down the website immediately.

Rugpulls will not be tolerated by the community, especially if they are masquerading as privacy-friendly services.

[Agbe]

~~~
This is very bad of them. Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable.

Funny how you say this and still have a mixer in your signature space.

You should also live by what you preach since you're sure that mixers are not good for the forum you should start by dissociating yourself from them.

Yes it is not tired to my neck. And It is a personal opinion and decision to my end. So there is no big deal there. I am about to use mixers to mix my coins but it will be a reputable on. But I said so because of what is happening to the mixing companies but later I also discovered that BetterCallRaul was not a mixer company but an exchange platform. I am going to use YoMix to test my mixing experience. So you don't have to castigate me from your own understanding of my semantic pour out.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Yes it is not tired to my neck. And It is a personal opinion and decision to my end. So there is no big deal there. I am about to use mixers to mix my coins but it will be a reputable on. But I said so because of what is happening to the mixing companies but later I also discovered that BetterCallRaul was not a mixer company but an exchange platform. I am going to use YoMix to test my mixing experience. So you don't have to castigate me from your own understanding of my semantic pour out.

But you just said "Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable". It's a clear stance It means all mixers are unreliable and should not be allowed here again. One wonders why you are still advertising an unreliable service.

It's your opinion but quite hypocritical given that you wear a signature of one of them. I don't know what they would think about your opinion 

[paid2]

Bettercallraul.it is now totally offline, we can't see the "has been seized" page anymore..

If we needed confirmation that this was a scam, I think we now fully have it

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Reading through the first comments member made in this thread. I realized that the service had quite a number of red flags but perhaps the chaos surrounding the chipmixer seizure made people not to pay proper attention or be critical to the new service

Any member here who has used BettercallRaul before?

Please confirm to me that the service was not a complete rip-off from https://exch.cx (which seem to be older and legit)

There terms of service... Lol, How could we not see this?

Eligibility:  Any person can create and perform exchange operations on our service. We do not discriminate or have any rejection criteria.

Rates: Dynamic rate mode - rates are updated according to cryptocurrency market data fluctuation and should be fixed once payment is received. Fixed-rate mode - rates are fixed for 45 minutes after order creation and are subject to update every next 45 minutes if there is no incoming payment present.

Customer payment: There are no requirements for the amount to send; however, if a customer sends an amount that exceeds our minimum or maximum balance to convert, a customer will be eligible for a refund which is performed automatically. The min/max balance information is shown to users before creating orders and during operations.

Our payment:  We will execute a payment to the customer once the receiving amount reaches sufficient network confirmations and is within our minimum or maximum balance to convert. The min/max balance information is shown to users before creating orders and during operations.

Refunds: Refund operations are fully automatic. We do not charge refund fees; customers can select a desirable network fee for their refunds (depending on a cryptocurrency network). ERC-20 token refunds are performed by sending a user a private key of a funding address.

Support: Customers should use a contact form on our site to create support tickets. Customers are also given a per-order support chat on each exchange, where they can receive specific information relevant to their exchange operation. Support answer time depends on its current load and should be, at most, 12 hours.

Prohibited jurisdictions: None (we are unable to detect the customer's country anyway because we have IP-logging disabled and none of our software pieces process such information)

Eligibility: Any person can create and perform exchange operations on our service. We do not discriminate or have any rejection criteria.

Rates: Dynamic rate mode - rates are updated according to cryptocurrency market data fluctuation and should be fixed once payment is received. Fixed rate mode - rates are fixed for 45 minutes after order creation and are subject to update every next 45 minutes if there is no incoming payment present.

Customer payment: There are no requirements of amount to send, however, in case customer sends an amount that exceeds our minimum or maximum balance to convert, a customer will be eligible for refund which is performed automatically. The information of min/max balance is shown to users prior to creating orders and during operations.

Our payment: We will execute a payment to customer once the receiving amount reached sufficient network confirmations and doesn't exceed our minimum or maximum balance to convert. The information of min/max balance is shown to users prior to creating orders and during operations.

Refunds: Refund operations are fully automatic. We don't charge any fees for refunds and customers are able to select desirable network fee for their refunds (depending on a cryptocurrency network). ERC-20 token refunds are performed by sending a private key of a funding address to a user.

Support: Customers should use a contact form on our site to create support tickets. Customers are also given a per-order support chat on each exchange, where they can receive specific information relevant to their exchange operation. Support answer time depends on its current load and shouldn't exceed 12 hours.

Prohibited jurisdictions: None (we are unable to detect customers country anyway because we have IP-logging disabled and none of our software pieces process such information)

Privacy policy:
We do not collect any metadata from customers. We have IP address logging disabled on all of the following end-points of our service: reverse-proxies, caching servers and backend servers (API). Exchange-related information such as from/to/refund addresses of operations are deleted from our service after 15 days, except when users decide to remove exchange-related information by themselves by pressing a "Delete data" button available within complete exchange operations, immediately making all the exchange operation data unrecoverable and not available for further extraction/querying.

[Helena Yu]

It's your opinion but quite hypocritical given that you wear a signature of one of them. I don't know what they would think about your opinion 

It's similar like 1xbit participants where they're saying 1xbit is a legit casino or they will give an advice to avoid to gamble on scam casino. But it's still fall to promotion, rather than this one where he want kill the project he currently promoted and get paid from them

There terms of service... Lol, How could we not see this?

Maybe not many people are use exch.cx, I didn't even heard of this exchange.

But this show the team behind this project is lazy enough to create their own terms.

[Agbe]

But you just said "Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable". It's a clear stance It means all mixers are unreliable and should not be allowed here again. One wonders why you are still advertising an unreliable service.

Because I was thinking that Bettercallraul is also a mixer because after the drama of Chipmixer and the seizure methods were the same. And such assertion was made in the Chipmixer drama too by users and staff were also ask to steer clear from mixers.

It's your opinion but quite hypocritical given that you wear a signature of one of them. I don't know what they would think about your opinion  

Well everyone see things from different perspective, and that is the linguistics analysis of a sentence. In the Faculty Social Sciences, when a statement is made, everyone see it from different opinion and that create the public opinion.  "Should" was used as probability. But if the mixer is doing well then all is well. Just that we don't want what happened in Chipmixer to repeat itself. If I have offended you and others sorry.  I no mean any harm

[Renampun]

But you just said "Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable". It's a clear stance It means all mixers are unreliable and should not be allowed here again. One wonders why you are still advertising an unreliable service.

Because I was thinking that Bettercallraul is also a mixer because after the drama of Chipmixer and the seizure methods were the same. And such assertion was made in the Chipmixer drama too by users and staff were also ask to steer clear from mixers.

I think this sentence already quite clearly represents what bettercallraul really is lol

Bettercallraul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange

there is still no information on how much loss they have made, until now their social media accounts are also inactive.

[notblox1]

They had their own token $RAUL. At some point, the total value was 1.4 million

Somebody dumped that token real hard.  
I never liked when exchanges started creating their own tokens, maybe Binance was first and everyone else followed.
But now scam exchanges are doing stuff this to scam more money from people.

Did anyone from bitcointalk forum used this scam exchange and lost any money?

There terms of service... Lol, How could we not see this?

Total ripoff.
Sadly nobody spent time doing plagiarism checking for them, and I think this must be done when there are campaigns in forum.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Maybe not many people are use exch.cx, I didn't even heard of this exchange.

probably because it's fairly new, about 10-11 months old and they also haven't bothered to advertise themselves.

But they are ranked highly on kycnot.me, with a score of 9/10

Did anyone from bitcointalk forum used this scam exchange and lost any money?

Apart from the unpaid campaign participants, I doubt if there is any member here who was scammed otherwise we would have seen a number of scam accusation

Total ripoff.
Sadly nobody spent time doing plagiarism checking for them, and I think this must be done when there are campaigns in forum.

We usually have very sharp forum detectives who just need an hour or so to detect such anomalies but i guess they were destructed by other service events at that time

[sam00]

Well everyone see things from different perspective, and that is the linguistics analysis of a sentence. In the Faculty Social Sciences, when a statement is made, everyone see it from different opinion and that create the public opinion.  "Should" was used as probability. But if the mixer is doing well then all is well. Just that we don't want what happened in Chipmixer to repeat itself. If I have offended you and others sorry.  I no mean any harm

Your statement from above doesn't leave much room for interpretation to be honest. You literally said that Mixers are not reliable and shouldn't be allowed on the forum while you are getting payed to advertise one yourself.
The problem aren't mixing services but rather scammers running them. Same thing could happen with any other service like an exchange (as in this case), casinos, lending plattforms and the list is long. Anyone holding customer funds can do a rug pull.
I'm not sure if you simply chose poor wording and don't want to discredit you as we haven't interacted before...

[robelneo]

Well everyone see things from different perspective, and that is the linguistics analysis of a sentence. In the Faculty Social Sciences, when a statement is made, everyone see it from different opinion and that create the public opinion.  "Should" was used as probability. But if the mixer is doing well then all is well. Just that we don't want what happened in Chipmixer to repeat itself. If I have offended you and others sorry.  I no mean any harm

Your statement from above doesn't leave much room for interpretation to be honest. You literally said that Mixers are not reliable and shouldn't be allowed on the forum while you are getting payed to advertise one yourself.
The problem aren't mixing services but rather scammers running them. Same thing could happen with any other service like an exchange (as in this case), casinos, lending plattforms and the list is long. Anyone holding customer funds can do a rug pull.
I'm not sure if you simply chose poor wording and don't want to discredit you as we haven't interacted before...

I saw that after Agbe posted that, I was thinking "Oh oh Agbe may have used the wrong words" so I waited for him to correct it and let it pass but others caught him, this is a lesson for Agbe to check or review his post but I doubt one will discredit a platform that pays him every week since he apologizes we could move on.

Bettercallraul is not accessible anymore he pull the plug because he knows that he is being tracked its good that Royse is implementing new measures to prevent a similar occurrence, it's hard for bounty managers to experience something like this, only experienced managers can come out with this bad experience, this is one of the risks of being a campaign manager, an inexperienced manager will just run away.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Bettercallraul is not accessible anymore he pull the plug because he knows that he is being tracked its good that Royse is implementing new measures to prevent a similar occurrence, it's hard for bounty managers to experience something like this, only experienced managers can come out with this bad experience, this is one of the risks of being a campaign manager, an inexperienced manager will just run away.

One wonders where they got the funding from to run a signature campaign for some good number of weeks.

Could they have been past scammers coming in to pull off another scam but then failed when the exchange failed to gain traction and now look for an alternative scam service to introduce to the forum in the near future?

[examplens]

But you just said "Mixers should not be allowed in the forum again because they are not reliable". It's a clear stance It means all mixers are unreliable and should not be allowed here again. One wonders why you are still advertising an unreliable service.

Because I was thinking that Bettercallraul is also a mixer because after the drama of Chipmixer and the seizure methods were the same. And such assertion was made in the Chipmixer drama too by users and staff were also ask to steer clear from mixers.

Oh, buddy, you really mixed things up here. You don't seem to be looking at the big picture.
There is absolutely no similarity between these two services. Apart from the fact that they are completely different types of businesses, Chipmixer did not escape, nor is there any doubt that it was a fraud on the part of the owner. While Bettercallraul tried to make himself a similar "victim", and it is obviously an exit scam.

I don't know what kind of drama you are talking about when it comes to Chipmixer, but it was nothing more than drama when, for example, FTX declared bankruptcy.
If we mark every deeper discussion as a drama, which services will remain acceptable on this forum?

Signature campaigns and everything around them are a significant factor in this forum, but they are certainly not the most important thing here.

[Mpamaegbu]

I saw that after Agbe posted that, I was thinking "Oh oh Agbe may have used the wrong words" so I waited for him to correct it and let it pass but others caught him, this is a lesson for Agbe to check or review his post but I doubt one will discredit a platform that pays him every week since he apologizes we could move on.

I believe too it was a slip that happened and ended generalizing the whole lot. He wasn't lucky to have spotted it on time for correction. There's no way one will conscientiously advertise a service one doesn't have confidence in without getting pricked. I once spotted a user on a campaign thread who said something was terrible instead of terrific (as they wanted to say it was a nice experience), and that changed the whole dynamics of the semantics of their sentence construction. Agbe should've immediately edited that part once his error was spotted and all raised eyebrows would've been regularized.