15% Discount on the Trezor Model T

[Pmalek]

The concept of "coin tainting" is already pretty abnormal but the fact that they are able to suspend any UTXO's under "sole discretion" and not provide any kind of details about it really shows how obscure and danger this way of acting is towards the whole system. I can't imagine no other good reason to build this system but only to have a free tool to censor any kind of UTXO's that an entity so desires, without the need to disclosure anything more.

zkSNACKs doesn't want to provide any additional details about it because I don't think they know the specifics themselves. Whatever blockchain analysis company they lay in bed with makes the decisions, and the coordinator doesn't care. The blockanalysis company won't disclose anything so as not to help anyone try to cheat their made up system of determining taint and having their UTXOs classified as not tainted. And I am sure they are going to tweak the rules as time goes by depending on who the biggest enemies are at the moment.   

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[o_e_l_e_o]

And I am sure they are going to tweak the rules as time goes by depending on who the biggest enemies are at the moment.

Or depending on which government provides them with the most money.

[Pmalek]

Or depending on which government provides them with the most money.

That too, but certainly with limitations. There will be those whose money they will gladly take and others who won't have a say in their decisions. For example, Chainanalysis is a US-based company. They will surely not sail against the wind or do anything that will put them on the radar of regulators and national agencies.

[dkbit98]

15% discount is still valid for Trezor Model T but I think that this is still way overpriced and I wouldn't spend my money on this device now.

Trezor are now a malicious entity

Sorry but I have to say this is straight up crazy statement to say.
I can be toxic sometimes with my posts, but you are going super toxic right now  
Nobody is forcing you to use Coinjoin feature if you don't like, and your addresses will not be known to anyone except you.
Continue using centralized mixers and your addresses will 100% be known to governments in future.
Why don't you complain about centralized mixers? Or there is no problem with them?

Wow, this is really a sad day. I used to like recommending the 'Model One' to people with very tight budget. Even though it has no secure element, I found it good enough for most users and it fulfilled my 'open source hardware & software' requirements.

I am not suggesting any hardware wallets for a while now, because I found negative stuff in each of them.

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I am still waiting for a single proof of someone getting censored by Trezor/Wasabi.}

[o_e_l_e_o]

Sorry but I have to say this is straight up crazy statement to say.
I can be toxic sometimes with my posts, but you are going super toxic right now  

I consider any entity which actively works against the privacy of all bitcoin users by funding blockchain analysis, and actively works against bitcoin itself by enforcing government sanctioned blacklists, to be malicious. I do not think such a stance is in any way crazy.

[Pmalek]

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I am still waiting for a single proof of someone getting censored by Trezor/Wasabi.}

It's not Trezor or Wasabi that will/are doing the censoring. It's zkSNACKs based on the unpublic and private information they receive from their blockchain analysis friends. But since zkSNACKs is run by Wasaby, the two are basically the same thing. I think both RickDeckard and o_e_l_e_o posted parts of zkSNACKs' terms of service that tell you everything you need to know.

Just because some things aren't available on this forum or the internet, doesn't mean they aren't happening. You can't seriously think their cooperation with a blockchain surveillance firm is an April's Fools joke or that they share pictures of cats with each other and eat cake. The surveillance of all UTXOs is the agenda. 

[Medusah]

Nobody is forcing you to use Coinjoin feature if you don't like, and your addresses will not be known to anyone except you.

Who's forcing you to do coinjoins is not relevant.  What matters is who's forcing you to not do coinjoins.  Wasabi team do, if they happen to not like your coins.  Partnering with a company which prohibits you from coinjoining, while pretending to be the last piece of Bitcoin's fungibility is a straight up "no" to me.  Especially at the same time when there is joinmarket.