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July 19, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
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I'm quite sure that casinos will also develop algorithms to stop AI based gambling in future when it develops because the online casinos can't lose a lot of money if an AI learn a particular game in fashion that no human could possibly learn. The casino owners and their programmers will never allow such piece of software to run their business, and that's why they will try their best to stop all such activities on their sites.

I'm sure the AI developers will find another ways to create a piece of AI that could detect the price range without even allowing those anti-AI software of the websites to notice that they are using such a AI based predictors. In such cases the things might go wrong for many casinos because they will lose a lot of money in the hands of those people who control those AI based bots.
That is for sure. Casinos will not allow their business to be harmed by gamblers who use AI. The casino will implement it without their members knowing to protect their business, and the casino might just provide an update about the presence of an AI system integrated into their system without giving details to their members.

If the AI used by the gambler is included in the part that violates the rules, the casino must prevent it and provide sanctions to gamblers who use it. But if it's a script that doesn't harm the system and can help gamblers automate their betting, maybe the casinos still tolerate it and allow gamblers to use it. But if it's broken one of the rules that the casino might be able to change, obviously, the casino won't let it.

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July 19, 2023, 04:56:14 PM
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I'm quite sure that casinos will also develop algorithms to stop AI based gambling in future when it develops because the online casinos can't lose a lot of money if an AI learn a particular game in fashion that no human could possibly learn. The casino owners and their programmers will never allow such piece of software to run their business, and that's why they will try their best to stop all such activities on their sites.

I'm sure the AI developers will find another ways to create a piece of AI that could detect the price range without even allowing those anti-AI software of the websites to notice that they are using such a AI based predictors. In such cases the things might go wrong for many casinos because they will lose a lot of money in the hands of those people who control those AI based bots.
That is for sure. Casinos will not allow their business to be harmed by gamblers who use AI. The casino will implement it without their members knowing to protect their business, and the casino might just provide an update about the presence of an AI system integrated into their system without giving details to their members.

If the AI used by the gambler is included in the part that violates the rules, the casino must prevent it and provide sanctions to gamblers who use it. But if it's a script that doesn't harm the system and can help gamblers automate their betting, maybe the casinos still tolerate it and allow gamblers to use it. But if it's broken one of the rules that the casino might be able to change, obviously, the casino won't let it.

It is very unlikely someone could develop an AI which could effectively break the code of the games on an online casino, in order for someone to cheat, it would imply the AI got access to the random number generator so can manipulate it, that is rather hacking than automation.

Artificial intelligence development in gambling will rather lean towards providing customized services to gamblers through an interface, so they can feel more comfortable while engaging with the casino, the hacking and cheating won't be easier because that kind of technology won't be at the reach of many civilians as people think. Only governments and huge companies would be able to try to pull off such a heist.

So casinos are going to be fine and continue to do their business in a society where AI is intregrated.

  

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July 19, 2023, 05:02:04 PM
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So, yes or no, !? Smiley

The issue with the AI is that it reached a point of popularity that makes one believe that many changes will come, and surely they will be there, but in the matter of bets, the premise "the house wins..." will remain, on the other hand, any situation that arises in the online case has an impact on offline casinos resuming their old past of success.

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July 19, 2023, 11:32:04 PM
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We may not yet know what it will look like because it is still in the development and integration stage, so we are still wondering. But casinos will integrate it into their business, especially if their users also use AI to beat the casinos. The emergence of new casinos that claim they are AI casinos still looks the same as the other older casinos, and I suspect they interpret this by calling their casinos AI casinos. Perhaps, it is more likely Web 3.0 casinos, as you say. So let's just wait for AI's presence in the gambling field so we will know what it will look like in the future.

If casinos are expected to be as fair as possible from the user's point of view, then AI should not be applied more deeply to gaming machines because AI in casinos is after all meant to "learn to beat".
AI should only be applied to analyze overall user activity to detect cheating, abuse, suggest games, auto-run promotions, etc.
It is impossible. If someone will find out how to use AI to increase his profit - he will use it as much as possible. And it doesn`t matter casino or gambler will use it. When we talk about money - there is no place for any agreements. It will be casino AI against gambler AI. And if the gambler AI will win - the casino will stop games where it is possible to use AI.

You are right because I have seen that many cases when there is an advantage of the players towards the casinos they always do it to the Maximum, they do not control it, and that will not stop, now if they have an AI that makes them win, they will not only do it in a single casino but in many more, then this will get the most out of it , these things can be given so that they can have a lot of money and yes, they will never say and they will not control what they see that makes them win, they will Continue using it Endlessly.

It is normal , the AI at the moment that can do Something like that, there is no denying it , that will be a mess for top two lads Testing and Tested in all casinos.

Basically casino platforms are predicted by AI on various things. Many people use it especially for winning bets but most of the predictions are wrong. If this was predicted correctly then maybe everyone would use one of the casino platforms to bet. Looking at the casino platform, it is not powered by AI but controlled by them. But in today's era many things can be done by AI, it is used in most cases and is able to make accurate predictions. I'm not sure how accurate AI predictions are in casinos but maybe it's not possible to win bets.

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July 19, 2023, 11:49:37 PM
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So, yes or no, !? Smiley

The issue with the AI is that it reached a point of popularity that makes one believe that many changes will come, and surely they will be there, but in the matter of bets, the premise "the house wins..." will remain, on the other hand, any situation that arises in the online case has an impact on offline casinos resuming their old past of success.

The AI gambling is a fancy word that may be used by the casino more often in the near future.  Although even if the AI is implemented in a true sense in the casino, it still won't change anything. The casino will still have an upper hand and they will keep on winning. The gambler winning chances won't be increased though the casino will present AI in such a way that it is gambler friendly, but in reality, the AI will be implemented in a way that the gambling houses further strengthen their platform.

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July 20, 2023, 03:56:51 AM
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It is very unlikely someone could develop an AI which could effectively break the code of the games on an online casino, in order for someone to cheat, it would imply the AI got access to the random number generator so can manipulate it, that is rather hacking than automation.

Artificial intelligence development in gambling will rather lean towards providing customized services to gamblers through an interface, so they can feel more comfortable while engaging with the casino, the hacking and cheating won't be easier because that kind of technology won't be at the reach of many civilians as people think. Only governments and huge companies would be able to try to pull off such a heist.

So casinos are going to be fine and continue to do their business in a society where AI is intregrated.
Obviously, we don't know how AI is developing or how far the developers have worked on AI. And if a developer eventually invents such a thing, the technology is much more advanced than it is now and the casinos should be aware of that. Casinos are also developing AI that can protect their business and ensure that everything is safe, including safe from hacking or theft.

We, as ordinary people, may not think about how AI can develop, but the developers want to develop AI to a more advanced stage than now. But developers still need to find AI that fits the gambling business model or other businesses.

So, yes or no, !? Smiley

The issue with the AI is that it reached a point of popularity that makes one believe that many changes will come, and surely they will be there, but in the matter of bets, the premise "the house wins..." will remain, on the other hand, any situation that arises in the online case has an impact on offline casinos resuming their old past of success.
Yes, technological change will occur and the technology will develop better than now. But the casino will win and get money from the losing gamblers. Yes or no, we are just waiting for the time to come to see what will happen next.

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The AI gambling is a fancy word that may be used by the casino more often in the near future.  Although even if the AI is implemented in a true sense in the casino, it still won't change anything. The casino will still have an upper hand and they will keep on winning. The gambler winning chances won't be increased though the casino will present AI in such a way that it is gambler friendly, but in reality, the AI will be implemented in a way that the gambling houses further strengthen their platform.
There are tons of gamblers who are totally over the top and go overboard on using artificial intelligence like AI.
What most gamblers don't realize is that AI is an artificial technology and of course the casino has a way or already has its own system to be able to minimize gamblers who use AI.
The more sophisticated or great Al is, the better the casino will be in suppressing the use of Al and of course the casino will not allow gamblers to win just like that even though it uses Al.

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July 20, 2023, 06:52:55 AM
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Can you make bets on horses that are AI vs making bets on real horses? I see a new gambling project that focuses on horse racing only and I am surprised that those horses are not real live horses, I went deep doing research and it kinda looks like players will be the ones fine-tuning their horses 🐎 for better performance and go ahead to head with other players.

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.



The metaverse idea has kind of flopped. Now people are moving on to the next big thing in tech which is AI. If the metaverse concept ever really takes off then I believe gambling will be a part of the reason why it succeeds. Competitive horse racing in the metaverse is just a new spin on traditional PvP gaming. People already like the idea of competing against one another in popular PC games so this idea has a chance of succeeding.

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July 20, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
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We may not yet know what it will look like because it is still in the development and integration stage, so we are still wondering. But casinos will integrate it into their business, especially if their users also use AI to beat the casinos. The emergence of new casinos that claim they are AI casinos still looks the same as the other older casinos, and I suspect they interpret this by calling their casinos AI casinos. Perhaps, it is more likely Web 3.0 casinos, as you say. So let's just wait for AI's presence in the gambling field so we will know what it will look like in the future.

If casinos are expected to be as fair as possible from the user's point of view, then AI should not be applied more deeply to gaming machines because AI in casinos is after all meant to "learn to beat".
AI should only be applied to analyze overall user activity to detect cheating, abuse, suggest games, auto-run promotions, etc.
It is impossible. If someone will find out how to use AI to increase his profit - he will use it as much as possible. And it doesn`t matter casino or gambler will use it. When we talk about money - there is no place for any agreements. It will be casino AI against gambler AI. And if the gambler AI will win - the casino will stop games where it is possible to use AI.

You are right because I have seen that many cases when there is an advantage of the players towards the casinos they always do it to the Maximum, they do not control it, and that will not stop, now if they have an AI that makes them win, they will not only do it in a single casino but in many more, then this will get the most out of it , these things can be given so that they can have a lot of money and yes, they will never say and they will not control what they see that makes them win, they will Continue using it Endlessly.

It is normal , the AI at the moment that can do Something like that, there is no denying it , that will be a mess for top two lads Testing and Tested in all casinos.

Basically casino platforms are predicted by AI on various things. Many people use it especially for winning bets but most of the predictions are wrong. If this was predicted correctly then maybe everyone would use one of the casino platforms to bet. Looking at the casino platform, it is not powered by AI but controlled by them. But in today's era many things can be done by AI, it is used in most cases and is able to make accurate predictions. I'm not sure how accurate AI predictions are in casinos but maybe it's not possible to win bets.
Today`s AI can work with statistics at least. He can predict lots of results in sport betting at least. I don`t sure can we call this standard computer work AI, but it is an opportunity for gamblers. The same time, when the casino calculate odds - they use computers too. When AI will become more clever - the both sides will use it to increase profit and the only fair casino game will be the game with ramdomiser.

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AI can do more things especially in gambling Cause AI can bet faster than human being. But in reality I don't think so if AI can Bet 100% accurate of winning, maybe AI can predict some result but not all fur sure, because the casino Used some AI too and they can control Thier casino in order to prevent many loss or many gamblers can win in Thier bet using AI. So the owner of the casino must be careful and have a good knowledge about AI.

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July 20, 2023, 02:13:59 PM
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AI can do more things especially in gambling Cause AI can bet faster than human being. But in reality I don't think so if AI can Bet 100% accurate of winning, maybe AI can predict some result but not all fur sure, because the casino Used some AI too and they can control Thier casino in order to prevent many loss or many gamblers can win in Thier bet using AI. So the owner of the casino must be careful and have a good knowledge about AI.

Indeed, AI management requires the skills of someone who wants to manage it. I generate pictures with AI, and even for this hobby im need a lot to know.
Regarding the applicability of AI in gambling: I think that artificial intelligence is practically useless in roulette and slots, because it cannot know the odds in advance in the game. But in betting or poker, AI can be useful. In betting, he can compare the facts and results of past matches, and get a result that is more likely to be winning.

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July 20, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
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AI can do more things especially in gambling Cause AI can bet faster than human being. But in reality I don't think so if AI can Bet 100% accurate of winning, maybe AI can predict some result but not all fur sure, because the casino Used some AI too and they can control Thier casino in order to prevent many loss or many gamblers can win in Thier bet using AI. So the owner of the casino must be careful and have a good knowledge about AI.
Artificial intelligence may not be 100% accurate but it can be reliable if it is well advanced with amazing features. IA is just developing and it is on the initial phase so with time AI is going to be more reliable and solid than what it is now. With time AI is going to be used in the aspect of security advancement and other departments to make work easier for programers. Gambling is just experience artificial intelligence and it is going to take sometimes for the gambling industry to gain popularity in AI which is going to make gambling more interesting.









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July 20, 2023, 04:21:15 PM
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I'm quite sure that casinos will also develop algorithms to stop AI based gambling in future when it develops because the online casinos can't lose a lot of money if an AI learn a particular game in fashion that no human could possibly learn. The casino owners and their programmers will never allow such piece of software to run their business, and that's why they will try their best to stop all such activities on their sites.

I'm sure the AI developers will find another ways to create a piece of AI that could detect the price range without even allowing those anti-AI software of the websites to notice that they are using such a AI based predictors. In such cases the things might go wrong for many casinos because they will lose a lot of money in the hands of those people who control those AI based bots.
That is for sure. Casinos will not allow their business to be harmed by gamblers who use AI. The casino will implement it without their members knowing to protect their business, and the casino might just provide an update about the presence of an AI system integrated into their system without giving details to their members.

If the AI used by the gambler is included in the part that violates the rules, the casino must prevent it and provide sanctions to gamblers who use it. But if it's a script that doesn't harm the system and can help gamblers automate their betting, maybe the casinos still tolerate it and allow gamblers to use it. But if it's broken one of the rules that the casino might be able to change, obviously, the casino won't let it.
Casinos don't even allow scripts that automate the betting process of a specific game, they only allow automatic betting through their own provided systems just like they are available in dice games and some other games as well, but if someone uses an external script to automate the betting process, they will either limit or block their account because it is against their terms and services and users need to read them before they start gambling.

And I don't think that someone would develop an AI model that will only be used to automate the betting process, if they create some model, they will try and make it for sports betting so that it analyzes the upcoming matches and provide winning probabilities for both sides for gamblers to decide.

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AI is currently making some progress in trading since we have hard records of the success of AI-executed trades and this has been something that have encourage others to believe that same records will be recorded using AI for gambling but we are yet to see or record and success in that direction.
Since casinos have their own anti-bot usage it may be hard for AI to have a free hand with gambling as it has in trading because the two are far different from each other.

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July 20, 2023, 07:04:46 PM
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It's like that friend, and they won't stop their efforts until they at least achieve something, personally I don't think they're going to be very successful for now, AI for now is seen as a fad, it's not pure AI at all, what's done is AI, it's more important to use and have human intelligence to do any analysis well, you always see strange behaviors in some players, it may be that you're using an AI, you don't know, but beating a casino system is very difficult, I don't deny that at some point they can achieve it, but it is very difficult, an AI is not that powerful either, I know that many programmers have trained the AI in every way, but beating a casino is not easy.
They already achieved something but we know humans, we can't be contented easily and we always want to excel more or go beyond our limits. I still don't think that it will lead for a total defeat of the casino because that will be weird if it happens. It's going to cause a chaos in the gambling field. AI isn't a fad. It's a legit technology but there might be fake AI models out there who only join the hype.

A true AI is strong but it does have its own limitations. It's hard to win alone, that is why some people are forming a group. They combine their capital and share insights on how can they improve their play. Maybe they can win more but not to the point of destroying the casino.

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July 20, 2023, 07:57:59 PM
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It's like that friend, and they won't stop their efforts until they at least achieve something, personally I don't think they're going to be very successful for now, AI for now is seen as a fad, it's not pure AI at all, what's done is AI, it's more important to use and have human intelligence to do any analysis well, you always see strange behaviors in some players, it may be that you're using an AI, you don't know, but beating a casino system is very difficult, I don't deny that at some point they can achieve it, but it is very difficult, an AI is not that powerful either, I know that many programmers have trained the AI in every way, but beating a casino is not easy.
They already achieved something but we know humans, we can't be contented easily and we always want to excel more or go beyond our limits. I still don't think that it will lead for a total defeat of the casino because that will be weird if it happens. It's going to cause a chaos in the gambling field. AI isn't a fad. It's a legit technology but there might be fake AI models out there who only join the hype.

A true AI is strong but it does have its own limitations. It's hard to win alone, that is why some people are forming a group. They combine their capital and share insights on how can they improve their play. Maybe they can win more but not to the point of destroying the casino.

Casino is a big industry, and for sure they will use all the money that they've got form any counter that they can do to avoid that chaos, though like you mentioned there's always an improvement and always a try to see if with the help of this system gamblers will have some chances to be on the upper hands, we all know about the house edge but it's not the focus it's more on how they will find the good information that will bring much quicker and easier way to decide their next bet.

Something that's AI can provide to help gambler to lessen the time on sorting each game that they will going to play to place their bet.

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AI is currently making some progress in trading since we have hard records of the success of AI-executed trades and this has been something that have encourage others to believe that same records will be recorded using AI for gambling but we are yet to see or record and success in that direction.
Since casinos have their own anti-bot usage it may be hard for AI to have a free hand with gambling as it has in trading because the two are far different from each other.

Obviously, trading and gambling are very far from each other. Trading can be performed in a successful way by using analytics and previous experience, on the other hand gambling does not have much of an analytical part which could be used to improve once odds in a substantial way.

I am still skeptical on the skills an Artificial intelligence can be in order to speculate in the market, granted, since we are talking about a machine it has the capacity to process data faster in order to take a positive decision which can be translated to profits, though if those AI become more widespread and easily available for all traders then the equilibrium of the market would change and the use of such tools won't guarantee profits anymore.

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July 20, 2023, 11:18:09 PM
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It's like that friend, and they won't stop their efforts until they at least achieve something, personally I don't think they're going to be very successful for now, AI for now is seen as a fad, it's not pure AI at all, what's done is AI, it's more important to use and have human intelligence to do any analysis well, you always see strange behaviors in some players, it may be that you're using an AI, you don't know, but beating a casino system is very difficult, I don't deny that at some point they can achieve it, but it is very difficult, an AI is not that powerful either, I know that many programmers have trained the AI in every way, but beating a casino is not easy.
They already achieved something but we know humans, we can't be contented easily and we always want to excel more or go beyond our limits. I still don't think that it will lead for a total defeat of the casino because that will be weird if it happens. It's going to cause a chaos in the gambling field. AI isn't a fad. It's a legit technology but there might be fake AI models out there who only join the hype.

A true AI is strong but it does have its own limitations. It's hard to win alone, that is why some people are forming a group. They combine their capital and share insights on how can they improve their play. Maybe they can win more but not to the point of destroying the casino.
We know AI has limits. Like people, AIs are limited by their training data and processes. They cannot demolish casinos. One grandmaster can demolish chess as a major sport like one person can destroy the world. That's ridiculous.

AI's biggest strength is helping human gamblers improve their methods and decision-making, not beating them. I don't think it's a security concern if people band together to boost AI's effectiveness. "Fake AIs" are snake oil. Users can distinguish the two.

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July 21, 2023, 09:41:37 AM
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Casinos don't even allow scripts that automate the betting process of a specific game, they only allow automatic betting through their own provided systems just like they are available in dice games and some other games as well, but if someone uses an external script to automate the betting process, they will either limit or block their account because it is against their terms and services and users need to read them before they start gambling.

And I don't think that someone would develop an AI model that will only be used to automate the betting process, if they create some model, they will try and make it for sports betting so that it analyzes the upcoming matches and provide winning probabilities for both sides for gamblers to decide.
Account blocking is something that casinos might do if they become aware of a gambler using those automated scripts. But maybe there are still people who can use those scripts without the casinos getting caught and sooner or later, the casinos will find out too and it's only a matter of time. As a business owner, the casino will always protect itself from fraud committed by its customers just because they want more wins than usual.

For AI in sports betting, maybe gamblers only collect betting data using AI to speed up the data collection time so they can immediately place bets based on the data they have obtained. But to get an accurate prediction about the match that will take place, it seems like it won't be easy because there might be changes that can occur during the match.

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July 22, 2023, 04:46:27 PM
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Casinos don't even allow scripts that automate the betting process of a specific game, they only allow automatic betting through their own provided systems just like they are available in dice games and some other games as well, but if someone uses an external script to automate the betting process, they will either limit or block their account because it is against their terms and services and users need to read them before they start gambling.

And I don't think that someone would develop an AI model that will only be used to automate the betting process, if they create some model, they will try and make it for sports betting so that it analyzes the upcoming matches and provide winning probabilities for both sides for gamblers to decide.
Account blocking is something that casinos might do if they become aware of a gambler using those automated scripts. But maybe there are still people who can use those scripts without the casinos getting caught and sooner or later, the casinos will find out too and it's only a matter of time. As a business owner, the casino will always protect itself from fraud committed by its customers just because they want more wins than usual.

For AI in sports betting, maybe gamblers only collect betting data using AI to speed up the data collection time so they can immediately place bets based on the data they have obtained. But to get an accurate prediction about the match that will take place, it seems like it won't be easy because there might be changes that can occur during the match.

AI are collecting information from the past games that the team or players that you are aiming to bet upon, but it doesn't mean that all those data are still intact, injuries and coach and players strategy will only be executed during the live game, you can use those available information that AI provided as a basis but still the final decision will depends from how you see the potential.

And like what we commonly believe, casino is a big industry owners will not just wait for someone to suck money out from their pockets, they will do everything to prevent that and continue to preserve the edge that they've got.

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