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April 24, 2023, 12:55:31 PM
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He was just in the right place at the right time with a skill-set that was somewhat niche at the time, and made less than $100 from exploiting a hole.

Bruh. It was way more than that. 50k BTC at around $10 per coin, that's half a million.

The saddest part about this thread is that if he had very average american-like looks, was not suspected of "autism" or whatever the crap people are saying here, then what other discussion would there be aside from the crime? The thread title "geeky" - the entire thread "nerd", "autism", etc. It's just pathetic.

He wasn't "suspected of autism," the article states he literally said in court he's autistic, was bullied as a child, and was using his wealth to attract women.



The girl on the right doesn't look entirely happy about it but you know what? He does. Good for him, he used his money to achieve happiness. If I were to judge him it would more be for lying on the forum about being an investment manager. Probably worthy of red trust actually.  Cheesy

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April 24, 2023, 10:01:09 PM
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I used to to think you were kind of a fine guy pawel7777, your posts are usually pretty good. Since coming to this thread though my view has changed, along with some other users who have jumped on the bandwagon.

Ouch. Right in the feels.

Don't shoot the messenger bud, I literally only quoted the headline of the linked article. Unless you're referring to me calling his life miserable - then sorry, but I'm sticking to what I wrote. If you seek fulfillment through splashing money just to impress whores - you're doing something very wrong and deserve shaming, that's what a healthy society should do.

And I don't see his alleged autism as an excuse for holding him accountable. He was perfectly capable of making his own decisions.

The saddest part about this thread is that if he had very average american-like looks,

The saddest part is - he does have very average american-like looks. Few will understand.

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April 26, 2023, 05:17:42 AM
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I used to to think you were kind of a fine guy pawel7777, your posts are usually pretty good. Since coming to this thread though my view has changed, along with some other users who have jumped on the bandwagon.

Ouch. Right in the feels.

Don't shoot the messenger bud, I literally only quoted the headline of the linked article. Unless you're referring to me calling his life miserable - then sorry, but I'm sticking to what I wrote. If you seek fulfillment through splashing money just to impress whores - you're doing something very wrong and deserve shaming, that's what a healthy society should do.

And I don't see his alleged autism as an excuse for holding him accountable. He was perfectly capable of making his own decisions.

You've made two threads about it. One in press, one here. Forwarding the news into press without personal judgement is fine....but adding his photos, shaming, and bullying him after he has already been apprehended and is paying the price for his choices? Why is that necessary? Is it really because that is what you think a healthy society should do? In your version of society that would mean that there is no room for people to be human without their identity being permanently damaged, their emotions being permanently affected and makes the ability to be better severely hindered as the past would not be able to be left behind. I don't agree that a healthy society involves shaming. Shaming a 22 year old for hacking a marketplace that provided drugs, weapons, etc and living an unhealthy lifestyle onward from then, due to his upbringing, mental conditions, etc, after he has already paid the piper. Do you really think that is necessary, or healthy?

Sure you can say that you are just quoting headlines...but do you really agree with how mainstream media treat people? Do you hold the same values as mainstream media?

You can say that anyone is capable of making decisions. That doesn't mean that your judgement is correct. Unless one has heard from their experience and gained insight on their mind, no one should be able to judge.

He was just in the right place at the right time with a skill-set that was somewhat niche at the time, and made less than $100 from exploiting a hole.

Bruh. It was way more than that. 50k BTC at around $10 per coin, that's half a million.

I have read multiple things from multiple places. Either way, it was stolen from drug dealers, weapon providers, etc. Taking that money away from those kinds of people and leaving it in a popcorn tin, with some of it being used on this kids vices, probably did some positive for the world. In other words, were there really victims in this crime? Was more negative done, or more positive in the long term? That's a genuine question.

The saddest part about this thread is that if he had very average american-like looks, was not suspected of "autism" or whatever the crap people are saying here, then what other discussion would there be aside from the crime? The thread title "geeky" - the entire thread "nerd", "autism", etc. It's just pathetic.

He wasn't "suspected of autism," the article states he literally said in court he's autistic, was bullied as a child, and was using his wealth to attract women.

All the more reason to have some empathy, stop posting his photos, let the man do his time and then move on once he has served his time. Tying into what I said above, the crime itself probably served more positive for the world than it did negative. There's really no reason to treat this person the way you are both treating him. You should think about this from a different perspective, instead of condemning him for his issues and vices. 
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April 26, 2023, 06:05:51 AM
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I have read multiple things from multiple places.

All you really need to read is the blockchain. I'm stating something that is both provable via blockchain and which he admitted to in court. It's not a debatable matter.

Either way, it was stolen from drug dealers, weapon providers, etc. Taking that money away from those kinds of people and leaving it in a popcorn tin, with some of it being used on this kids vices, probably did some positive for the world. In other words, were there really victims in this crime? Was more negative done, or more positive in the long term? That's a genuine question.

You're drawing arbitrary lines for morality in order to call thievery "good". It's not exactly a Robinhood scenario and not nearly as black-and-white as you're trying to make it.

You should think about this from a different perspective, instead of condemning him for his issues and vices.  

I didn't "condemn" him for these actions -- the only thing I condemned him for was being a poser on the forum. You seem to be taking this way too personally.

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April 26, 2023, 06:23:25 AM
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I have read multiple things from multiple places.

All you really need to read is the blockchain. I'm stating something that is both provable via blockchain and which he admitted to in court. It's not a debatable matter.

Yes, fair enough. I was just saying that my information was based on what I had read from multiple places which is why I got it wrong. I wasn't saying that you were wrong.

Either way, it was stolen from drug dealers, weapon providers, etc. Taking that money away from those kinds of people and leaving it in a popcorn tin, with some of it being used on this kids vices, probably did some positive for the world. In other words, were there really victims in this crime? Was more negative done, or more positive in the long term? That's a genuine question.

You're drawing arbitrary lines for morality in order to call thievery "good". It's not exactly a Robinhood scenario and not nearly as black-and-white as you're trying to make it.

Well, I'm not really saying that what he did was good. Nor that it was a robinhood-like act. I am just saying that some indirect good may have came from what he had done that might make it worth having a little bit of empathy and letting him serve his time rather than humiliating him publicly, which might not help him to be better once he has served his time. Justice has been served. Any victims of his crime were probably people who were better off not having those coins anyway. If innocent people were directly a victim of his crime, then I suppose that humiliation might be called for. I don't believe that is the case though.

You should think about this from a different perspective, instead of condemning him for his issues and vices.  

I didn't "condemn" him for these actions -- the only thing I condemned him for was being a poser on the forum. You seem to be taking this way too personally.

That comment was more toward pawel, and perhaps I worded what I was trying to say wrongly. Not to matter anyway, I have expressed my opinion and there's not really much else to say to extend onto it. In terms of taking it personally, I am not. There's no reason to. I believe that it is one thing talking about the crime itself, it's another taking it out of context in a one-sided way. I try to be a fair person, so when I see things that are unfair I tend to express my opinion. It might come across that I'm taking it personally, but really I am just expressing that I think that things aren't being looked at in a fair way, and trying to shed some unique perspective.
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April 26, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
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You've made two threads about it. One in press, one here. Forwarding the news into press without personal judgement is fine....but adding his photos, shaming, and bullying him after he has already been apprehended and is paying the price for his choices? Why is that necessary? Is it really because that is what you think a healthy society should do? In your version of society that would mean that there is no room for people to be human without their identity being permanently damaged, their emotions being permanently affected and makes the ability to be better severely hindered as the past would not be able to be left behind. I don't agree that a healthy society involves shaming. Shaming a 22 year old for hacking a marketplace that provided drugs, weapons, etc and living an unhealthy lifestyle onward from then, due to his upbringing, mental conditions, etc, after he has already paid the piper. Do you really think that is necessary, or healthy?

Sure you can say that you are just quoting headlines...but do you really agree with how mainstream media treat people? Do you hold the same values as mainstream media?

You can say that anyone is capable of making decisions. That doesn't mean that your judgement is correct. Unless one has heard from their experience and gained insight on their mind, no one should be able to judge.  

You seem very emotionally invested in that story for some reason and are way overprotective of the guy, or you just relate to him a little bit too much.

Are we supposed to not discuss on a Bitcoin forum a story of a guy that was sitting on a (not quite) stolen stash worth >$3 billion because he might feel a bit upset when he reads it? Are we supposed to only say good or neutral things about the guy and his actions? What are you proposing really?

I didn't notice any particular bullying in this thread (defined as targeted, persistent harassment), it's mostly just people criticising his stupid decisions. If people around you are silent or supportive when you do stupid things - ditch them fast, for they are not your friends.

Photos are from the article and most likely were published by the guy himself on his social media.

We judge people and situations all the time, you just judged me for starting this topic. My judgement of him has zero effect on his life and the sentence he will get. If it did, he'd walk free.


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May 16, 2023, 10:07:41 PM
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why not ask for those bitcoins to be returned to the exchange or platform they were stolen from?
Starting to return the stolen bitcoin to the exchange it was obtained from is the last thing the government would do. The government's plan for the stolen bitcoin is to distribute it internally, which will force them to sell it for any amount.

Geeky crypto thief, 32, jailed for hiding $3billion in Bitcoin in popcorn tin admitted to trying to use the cash to score women - as government offloads stolen gains on Coinbase
I don't understand why chasing after girls is the first thought that individuals have when they suddenly become extremely wealthy. They can't get girls without money, or something like that.

Only a fool would consider pursuing women first after having gained money without making any investments that would continue to bring him income.

People's attitudes toward money and girls need to change. Money doesn't disappear from the planet, so that's how beautiful girls are. They shouldn't rush into girls out of greed for cash

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May 17, 2023, 06:53:41 PM
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Starting to return the stolen bitcoin to the exchange it was obtained from is the last thing the government would do. The government's plan for the stolen bitcoin is to distribute it internally, which will force them to sell it for any amount.

In a normal circumstances, they'd have no choice and would have to return stolen funds to the victim, but in this case, the business he "stole" from was highly illegal Silk Road market place, which got shut down and its owner got sentenced to double lifetime.

Only a fool would consider pursuing women first after having gained money without making any investments that would continue to bring him income.

Seriously? The guy was sitting on ~ $3 billions and your advice is that he should've focussed on earning more money?!. He could not spend that much during his entire lifetime even if he tried. How much is enough for you?

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